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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Rene Snubs Tennis podcast.

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Speaker 2: It is time Petco. I am joined by Andrea Pekovich,

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Speaker 2: of course, the great, the one, the only Caitlin. She

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Speaker 2: has other things to do today, doing cookies. Yeah, she's

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Speaker 2: eating cookies today. But we are going to discuss the

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Speaker 2: upcoming Australian pan favorites. What our thoughts are, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Let's let's start. First of all, give a

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Speaker 2: give a little bit of a synopsis for someone who's

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Speaker 2: European or American who has to go down to Australia

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Speaker 2: and how difficult that transition is to go from really

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Speaker 2: cold weather like it is in New York right now,

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Speaker 2: and Europe and and and head down to a Brisbane

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Speaker 2: or Auckland not so much, but certainly Brisbane where it's

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Speaker 2: so freaking hot, so freaking humid. Like, how difficult is

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Speaker 2: that transition?

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Speaker 3: Definitely not easy. Doesn't become easier the older you are.

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Speaker 3: I think most players, I think most players will have

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Speaker 3: a pit stop in Dubai, which a lot of them

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Speaker 3: do now, where they practice for a week or two

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Speaker 3: in Dubai get adjusted. But I do have to say

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Speaker 3: Dubai at this time is beautiful in a sense of perfect.

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Speaker 3: Weather's kind of like la. Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's dry,

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Speaker 3: it's warm, but it gets cool in the night, it

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Speaker 3: gets cool in the mornings. It's not really ideal when

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Speaker 3: you go to Brisbane and it just knocks you off

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Speaker 3: your feet because it's humid and hot, or it can

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Speaker 3: be humid and hot.

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Speaker 2: No, albert is not can be always is. Brisbane is

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Speaker 2: like Florida in summer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just Melbourne is different. Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Yes, dry heat, yeah, fucking dry heat. It can be

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Speaker 2: like you know, one hundred.

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Speaker 3: And we see it sometimes with players like I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you remember Garbinia Muguruzo had to retire in

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Speaker 3: her first round match. I think it was against Putin

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Speaker 3: Sieva one time in Brisbane with cramps and everyone's like,

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Speaker 3: she's coming from the off season. Why is she cramping

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Speaker 3: and these.

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Speaker 2: Sweating out like a yes, a bucket of water every

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the reason. Because she practiced in Marbea,

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Speaker 3: which is in Spain where you can practice during the

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Speaker 3: during the winter outside it's like fifteen sixteen degrees European,

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Speaker 3: so it's cool, like you can sixty five degrees, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 3: but you can practice outside and it's windy. And so

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Speaker 3: she came to Brisbane and came to Brisbane. Sorry, Brisbane

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Speaker 3: came a bit late. And then even though she was

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Speaker 3: and she lost with match points against Naomi Osaka, who

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Speaker 3: then ended up winning your show. So she was clearly

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Speaker 3: in great shape, but that will knock you out. So

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Speaker 3: that's definitely part of why, and a lot of the

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Speaker 3: top players it has to be set, especially the men,

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Speaker 3: because for them the season starts even or ends even later.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the men take the first two weeks

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Speaker 3: in Australia as part of the preparation.

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Speaker 2: As part of the Novak's playing Brisbane this year, I

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Speaker 2: so the adjustment listen, it's the one. And I joked

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Speaker 2: about this with Jessica Bagoula during the Garden Cup in

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Speaker 2: New York and I was like, when are you guys leaving.

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Speaker 2: She's like, oh, in a week or so, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, God, damn, I forgot how quickly this strain

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Speaker 2: open is coming around this year because of the calendar,

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Speaker 2: the way it's happening with the you know the dates

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Speaker 2: this year that they're starting January twelfth. Do you remember

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Speaker 2: playing in Australian Open it January twelfth or thirteenth?

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm that list flying out on the

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Speaker 2: Jessica, Gula and Ammanavarro. I was flying out on Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Day, but I said they are doing that because I'm

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Speaker 2: I go us Ozzies have to bloody be on the

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Speaker 2: road nine months of the year and it's about time

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Speaker 2: you guys had to suffer.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's true, and I agree with that. All of

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Speaker 3: about that. But what I don't understand are they play

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Speaker 2: So are playing United Cup? Coco's playing the United Cup,

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Speaker 2: Jessica's playing Brisbane, emmon of Ours playing Brisbane.

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Speaker 3: I know that, okay, because the United Cup. Because I

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Speaker 3: case something gets awry. But these girls, they need to

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Speaker 3: of course, also to have Christmas at home possibly, So

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Speaker 3: this is going to cut it very close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not it's not easy for the Americans

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Speaker 3: But the rest of the years now, yes, the rest

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Speaker 2: Because then you know, all in Europe you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: So that's sort of like how do you adjust? You suffer.

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Speaker 2: If you see a European come to Brisbane and you

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Speaker 2: they come back in, they literally look like a beatroot.

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Speaker 3: They are also so paleless when I see myself, when

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Speaker 3: I see myself on photos in Brisbane.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, how am I? So I look

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Speaker 3: Also the first two days. So the first day you

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Speaker 3: usually would just hit very easily, not exert yourself too much.

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Speaker 3: But then on the second day you have to already

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Speaker 3: play points and work out a little bit tougher. And

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Speaker 3: I never, for even after sixteen years on tour, I

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Speaker 3: would still have this moment of desperation. I didn't do

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Speaker 3: my job in my off season because on the first

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Speaker 3: in this new, new climate and new time zone, you're like,

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Speaker 3: I am dying after ten minutes of hitting the ball.

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Speaker 3: What is wrong with me? I did everything wrong? And

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Speaker 3: then after three days you're there and everything is fine.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel when I play tennis now every

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Speaker 2: single time. Oh my god, I'm going to die. We

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Speaker 2: always do this for a living. I'm always jet likeged

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Speaker 2: I'm always adjusting to the time zone and the heat.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about our favorites. What we expect. I

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Speaker 2: have to say, looking at the training schedule right now

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Speaker 2: of Coco Goff on Instagram, she is putting in the

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Speaker 2: work and I think after her finishing the way she did,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be real interesting to see. And I

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Speaker 2: do believe that she has absolutely put her hand up

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Speaker 2: to be one of the favorites of the U Strain Open.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about the ladies first. Okay, who do

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Speaker 2: you think is the favorite? Clearly there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: stuff that can happen prior to the Austrain Open, injuries,

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Speaker 2: all of that stuff happens, we know going into it.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts, Sabalanca eager? You know we're talking

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Speaker 2: about Coco obviously, Rebarkina, Like, what's going to be her deal? Like,

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Speaker 2: what are your thoughts behind what you're looking forward to

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Speaker 3: So my thoughts from the lady's perspective, I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: keep it very concise. I think Sablenka is the overwhelming favorite,

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Speaker 3: just because I know how serious she takes the off season.

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Speaker 3: I know she will put in all the work, and

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Speaker 3: I think she's the best hardcore player we have. I

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Speaker 3: But she's really come into herself on hard courts this year,

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Speaker 3: and I think she will be the favorite. I do

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Speaker 2: Was just stretching my arms oh, okay, I thought you

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Speaker 2: were showing me stop. I actually I didn't. I needed

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Speaker 3: Okay, I thought you were showing, like put your microphone closer.

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Speaker 3: will be one of the favorites. I think the way

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Speaker 3: she needs serve she needed to do, but in the

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Speaker 3: I think she will be one of the favorites. The

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Speaker 3: one thing I will say last year at the Austrian

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Speaker 2: It's all technical and then therefore it's also mental.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, But in the beginning I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: And I just thought she can't get into the rotation

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Speaker 2: Get she doesn't have the boltos in the right spot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the thing, well, well right, that was then

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Speaker 3: off season Jack, what happens throughout the season. You lose

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Speaker 3: weight because you're competing all the time, you can't do

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Speaker 3: as much weightlifting, your eating schedule is different, and so

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Speaker 3: I think all of these things play part. So I

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Speaker 2: I'll let me tell you. I can tell you it

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Speaker 2: would give you PTSD because it's like serious, it's so

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Speaker 2: serious actually just before we get there, because I didn't

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Speaker 2: even think about this person. But it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 2: see a play that we have not talked about a

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Speaker 2: in the last twelve months, but some of it was

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Speaker 2: on the precipice of maybe breaking through is Maria Zachary,

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Speaker 2: I asked you does a lot of work in the

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Speaker 2: off season and works probably harder than anyone court. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that girl is like a beast. What do you expect

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Speaker 2: from someone like her this year? And what's her coaching situation?

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Speaker 2: Because I haven't heard anything me neither.

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Speaker 3: That's funny because last year, last week, remember I was like,

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Speaker 3: do you know what Zucker is doing right now? And

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Speaker 3: I don't know either.

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Speaker 2: I do think while we do that, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: look at her instagram.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Well I did look at her results

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Speaker 3: after we talk, and she hasn't played since the US Opened,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that she is going to have a

435
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Speaker 2: good year next year. I think that, you know, above everything,

436
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 2: and I really believe this. You gotta want it. You

437
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 2: gotta want it every week. You've got to want to

438
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 2: win every match, and if you have that capability and

439
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,199
Speaker 2: that sort of mental fortitude, you will win a lot

440
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 2: of matches that you might have lost prior. Because now

441
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,959
Speaker 2: she's going to really want to refuse to lose. You've

442
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 2: got to refuse to lose if you want to be great,

443
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 2: you want to be you can't be like well, I

444
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,919
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like it today, you know, you know what

445
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 2: it's like. But yeah, so I think she's going to

446
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 2: have a great So.

447
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 3: What do you think about Paulini? Do you think she

448
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 3: can repeat even repeat, because.

449
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 2: A repeat like two Grand Slam finals.

450
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Speaker 3: But repeat a top eight season. She's in the top yes, five,

451
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 3: But can she be in the top I did? I

452
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: think there would be an incredible success if she did,

453
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 3: think I do.

454
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Speaker 2: I think that she understands that she's probably got a

455
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 2: window of about three or four years to really capitalize

456
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Speaker 2: on her age, on her experience, and on how well

457
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 2: she plays. You know, as you know, it gets harder

458
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Speaker 2: when she get to the mid thirties. I mean, she's

459
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Speaker 2: in an age what twenty eight now, and she's kind

460
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Speaker 2: of for me, twenty eight is really starting to be

461
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: the prime. Not to say that players can't be great

462
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: at twenty clearly eager. Yeah, And when I mean all

463
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: these players, Sabalanca, they're all done really well in their

464
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 2: twenties early twenties. But I just think she asn't. She's

465
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: a true all court player. You know, she can come

466
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: to the net, she has good volleys, she's looking to

467
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: move forward like all those things. And she doesn't have

468
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: a weakness, Like there's not a weakness in her game.

469
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: She really can hit every shot for.

470
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: Her, scept that she doesn't get free points on her search.

471
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: She doesn't get free points in her serve. But for

472
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: someone who's so small, her serve is.

473
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Speaker 3: Great, no, incredible, It is late, no, no, she is

474
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: incredible for what physicality she has.

475
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 2: It's just pretty good free points. I would like to

476
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Speaker 2: look up actually the stats that she has on first

477
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: serve percentages for the year. That would be an interesting

478
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: look for her. And her second serve is not overly attackable.

479
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 2: I mean she it's a really nice kick serve. I

480
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: think she just doesn't have a lot of weaknesses. So

481
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Speaker 2: I think the only thing that's going to stop her

482
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Speaker 2: is she plays against a player that maybe overpowers her slightly.

483
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Speaker 2: But I see her doing great on clay. There's no

484
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 2: surface that she can't play on. I think she's going

485
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Speaker 2: to have I think she'll be in the top ten

486
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Speaker 2: for sure throughout the entire year next year, even with

487
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Speaker 2: the points that she.

488
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Speaker 3: Has, Yeah, how will that go? What do you think?

489
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: I think she's going to do very very well. I

490
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: think she's a player that's going to be a perennial

491
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: quarter finalist at Grand Slams all the time. And I think,

492
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, and pushing through the semis and finals, and

493
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: I think she can be anyone on any given day.

494
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 2: You know, it's just how much do you hate to lose?

495
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 2: And that's what's going to come down to how well

496
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Speaker 2: she can played through the years.

497
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Speaker 3: So here are the stats. And I think there will

498
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: be a problem next year because I do think she

499
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: went on energy and exuberants this year and if she

500
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: just likes one percent of this, this will become a problem.

501
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: She has eighty nine aces in the whole of season

502
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four hundred five double faults, so fifteen more

503
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: double faults than aces. Okay, first serf in the court

504
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 3: is sixty seven percent. Out of those sixty seven percent

505
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 3: that she makes on average, she only wins sixty two

506
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 3: percent of those first serves.

507
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Speaker 2: And while we're.

508
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 3: A top five player, I always obviously always, I know

509
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 3: we always wants.

510
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: To return return is did they have what she is

511
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: ranked on serve and say, don't happen?

512
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: That makes me so angry. You know, we have such

513
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: great return points one she has forty five, so she's

514
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: very good on second return. Like when the opponents second serve,

515
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 3: she's really good. She wins fifty five percent of those points.

516
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 3: So she is an incredible And again, when we talk

517
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: about just me and Paulini, I'm comparing her to IgA, Saballenka, Rebeckena,

518
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: Goth and Hinwin. These are the players I'm comparing her

519
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: to her. That she is an incredible player and is

520
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: maybe the most fun to watch without.

521
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: Sorry, she's my favorite.

522
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 3: Yeah comes without a saying, and I think again, I

523
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 3: always have to say it every time, but it is

524
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 3: something that I think is worth repeating. When we criticize players,

525
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: we criticize them on the highest level possible. I'm not

526
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 3: comparing just mean even to.

527
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: Me what you're saying, Italy, please don't attack.

528
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 3: No, they can attack me. I love just me and

529
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: I've always talked right. I just think that there's nothing

530
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: to be a problem for her. She's just fantastic, exactly.

531
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 3: There is nothing to say. And if I could sign

532
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: a paper that gives me just me and Paulini in

533
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 3: the top five at the end of twenty twenty five,

534
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 3: I would sign it in this moment and give half

535
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: of my sol away for this. This is how much

536
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: I care about it.

537
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: I think she's going to be top ten throughout the

538
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: whole year. As I said, even with the two finals

539
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: of the Slams, because I think she's going to be

540
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 2: incredibly consistent all year. Because think about it, this year

541
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: was her real first, real big year. The year before

542
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: a little better right.

543
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: Doing well finally and the end of the year she

544
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: really came.

545
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: In, really came on. But this year she really played well. Right,

546
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: So think about how much confidence she would have gained

547
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: from this whole experience of this year and winning Grand

548
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: Slams in doubles and having the results that she's.

549
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: Had and gold medal at the Olympius.

550
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: She knows she can play against all these players on

551
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: any given day, and she hits the crap out of

552
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 2: the ball for someone so little, so like Dominique Sibelkova,

553
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: I mean just crack crash.

554
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 3: And it always makes me angry. With Jess and with Paulini.

555
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: Some people who comment on their games they see their

556
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: size and not like, oh, they are solid players, they

557
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: are pushers. I'm like, have you ever seen them play?

558
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: God?

559
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: Exactly?

560
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: Collini and Pogola play.

561
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: What is wrong with people? It makes me always angry.

562
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: But this just comes to tell you that how the

563
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: appearance comes, it often just sways people in their opinion.

564
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 3: But one thing that was really interesting that you said.

565
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 3: You said, twenty eight has become the prime of tennis players.

566
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 3: And there is a really interesting study in baseball which

567
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 3: says that the actual biological peak performance is in explosive

568
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: things like baseball, hitting the thing, pitching, hitting the thing

569
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: the thing. I clearly don't know much about baseball is

570
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: twenty three. So this is the peak performance a twenty people.

571
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: But are the Mets for paying that much money for

572
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: fe Well?

573
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: Wait, the actual peak performance is around twenty eight because

574
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: the experience gained in the five years prior not only

575
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: makes up for the loss of explosiveness, but overpowers the

576
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: loss of explosiveness after twenty eight. Sorry to say, things

577
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: go backwards strongly, but interestingly, in tennis it has gotten

578
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: to the same level whereas it used to be twenty

579
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: five twenty four. Right, my peak was, I would say

580
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: between twenty.

581
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: Twenty nine where I started really feeling it.

582
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: Also, it depends a little bit on your injuries, Right,

583
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: I had a very bad injury in the beginning of

584
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: so I think my I peaked a bit earlier and

585
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: my body aged a bit earlier because of the compensation.

586
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: I started having chronic pain in my knees when I

587
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: was twenty eight because I had an ACL with nineteen.

588
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: But I think generally, as Angie, she played the best

589
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: tennis between teny seven and thirty thirty one. So and

590
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 3: you have many players that just mean Paulini.

591
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think judsmine as well as is

592
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: just a really true all core player, and I think

593
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: it takes longer to develop that game all bashers.

594
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

595
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I think she's gonna have a good year.

596
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: What about Coco? What do we think the chances are? Listen,

597
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: I would not have said this four months ago. I

598
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: certainly wouldn't have said it the US Open. But I

599
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: think she's absolutely equal footing as the favorite of the

600
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: Train Open.

601
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 3: We've talked about it briefly when before your computer went

602
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 3: to shite. To me the second favorite for the Austrian Open,

603
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: and just slightly behind Arena Sabalenka. I still view Arena

604
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: Sabalanka as the best hardcore player, and I think she

605
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: should be the favorite. I think with Rebecca now we

606
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: don't know yet. Having a new coach sometimes takes a

607
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: while before everything works out that you worked on. But

608
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 3: for me, Arena Sabalenka is the favorite and just right

609
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 3: behind her to me as Cocoa gov especially with what

610
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: she showed in the last two months of the season

611
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: and that grip change. To me, this is the most

612
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: impressive thing to in the middle of the season, not

613
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: only with the.

614
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: Grip change, but also the serve, particularly the second serve.

615
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: I want to see what she's developed on the second

616
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: surf because for me, if she can get the second

617
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: serve to a point where it's just very good, there's

618
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: not a lot of losses. I mean, you think about it.

619
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: You know, she lost a match to Sabolenka this year

620
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: hitting twenty one double faults. Twenty one double faults and

621
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: still almost won the match, So you know, this is

622
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: a person that we know. Once she gets those little

623
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: flaws under control, everything else is so good competitively, athletically,

624
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: the backhand, she can get better with her volleys. There's

625
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: a lot of things that she can prove on. So

626
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: we're going to take a pause now, but yes, we'll

627
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: be back.