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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us

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Speaker 1: as we get rolling here. A lot to discuss during

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Speaker 1: the course of the show. Let me let you know

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Speaker 1: in the third hour we'll be joined by Senator Ran

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Speaker 1: the third hour, no guests. In the first couple of hours,

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Speaker 1: inflation comes in hotter than expected Wall Street dropping significantly

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Speaker 1: on the news inflation three point five percent.

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Speaker 2: But why does that matter?

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Speaker 1: The odds of inflation coming down looking worse as we

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Speaker 1: get closer to the election, but also the odds of

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Speaker 1: any reduction in the interest rates that are out there

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Speaker 1: had been priced in as likely to happen in June.

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Speaker 1: Now it's looking like that may happen in September. That

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Speaker 1: means if you have a mortgage, That means if you

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Speaker 1: are borrowing money, it is unlikely to get substantially cheaper

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Speaker 1: before the election gets here. And also it raises questions

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Speaker 1: actually working. That's particularly cases we hit six month highs

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Speaker 1: in the price of gas.

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Speaker 2: As many of you have noticed.

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Speaker 1: Big ruling from the Arizona Supreme Court on abortion.

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Speaker 2: We will discuss that.

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Speaker 1: There's the Ashley Biden diary, which should be a big

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Speaker 1: story and is not getting a lot of discussion. We

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Speaker 1: will dive into that as well. But Buck, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to start with what I think is an amazing article

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Speaker 1: that I would encourage all of you to go read.

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Speaker 1: It's by a guy from inside of NPR basically assessing

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Speaker 1: all of the journalistic failings of National Public Radio. Maybe

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Speaker 1: some of you during the course of your lives or

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Speaker 1: maybe even now occasionally we will flip over to NPR

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Speaker 1: to hear what they are talking about. Basically, the story

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Speaker 1: is that inpr's brain broke, as many of you know,

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Speaker 1: with the election of Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, but

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Speaker 1: by twenty twenty, they were actively making decisions about how

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Speaker 1: to cover stories and what stories they should cover based

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Speaker 1: on how it impacted the likely success or failure of

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's presidential election. In twenty twenty, in particular with

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Speaker 1: the Hunter Biden laptop, which NPR famously derided as a

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Speaker 1: non story. I believe it is seventy six of the

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Speaker 1: editorial individuals inside of the Washington DC NPR office were

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Speaker 1: all Democrats. There was not one single Republican. And Buck,

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Speaker 1: this ties in with an argument that I'd made for

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Speaker 1: We have fan media, and by that I mean whatever

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Speaker 1: audience you serve, and we try to be conscious of

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, the New York Times, NPR, all of them

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Speaker 1: are left wing fan sites, and therefore they are not

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Speaker 1: in the business of actually determining truth from fiction. But

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Speaker 1: you can go read this article, and I would encourage

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Speaker 1: all of you to read it, maybe share it. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you got friends and family out there that listen to

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Speaker 2: I think it's important for everybody to read. I know

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Speaker 2: you read it.

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Speaker 1: Buck, What was your big takeaway, as it pertains to

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Speaker 3: It gives us additional detail, but the overall thesis is

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Speaker 3: something that we've been aware of for I think for

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Speaker 2: And yeah, this kind of tune.

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Speaker 3: You know, there was an there was a vibe, a

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Speaker 3: into wokeness, the same kind of wokeness you would get

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Speaker 2: It's very troubling.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I actually tie this in to what we

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Speaker 3: Just understand, if you call a transman a man or

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Speaker 3: Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter books, is completely

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Speaker 3: Washington Post reports on this like, Hmmm, difficult questions.

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Speaker 2: It's actually not a difficult question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hurt feelings cannot result in imprisonment or else you

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Speaker 2: NPR to the to the NPR article here, what was it?

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Speaker 1: Mater is yea concerned by the lack of viewpoint diversity?

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Speaker 2: Quoting for this article. This is the guy who wrote it.

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Speaker 1: I looked at voter registration for our newsroom in DC,

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Speaker 1: This is posted at claybuck dot com. You can go

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Speaker 1: read it. But my goodness, this is what we've talked about, that.

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Speaker 3: They can't even allow for a token Republican in the newsroom,

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Speaker 3: and this is what has gone beyond or even somebody

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Speaker 3: the orthodoxy of the left, the Democrat party in this country.

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Speaker 3: But it's really we need to come up with better

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Speaker 3: ways of describing this because it's very similar sentiment. Why

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Speaker 3: ideological left at work here. And when you see what's

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Speaker 3: going on NPR Clay, they can't allow for even one

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Speaker 1: It's particularly interesting here's another quote from that article. On

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Speaker 1: how many sports media organizations criticize that position?

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Speaker 3: To a large extent, it now we know how it's possible, though, right,

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, and and what is crazy is in that issue,

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Speaker 3: And it used to be that they would argue that

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Speaker 3: It's not about persuading people, because they're never going to

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Speaker 3: But they can, through fear of people losing their jobs

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt at all about that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a fun parlor game. Lebron James about

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought this up because as we now

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Speaker 3: Yes, I would say that it's not surprising at all

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Speaker 2: With those debates? Money to be made, no doubt work.

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Speaker 3: And isn't that kind of the way it should be? Actually,

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Speaker 3: the more you think about it, I think Republicans have

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Speaker 2: Why why go do with that? I agree?

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Speaker 1: I mean I think even didn't RNC give a debate

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Speaker 1: go fire Ronal McDaniel as soon as she gets hired,

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Speaker 1: which feels a little bit, to be frank, like a

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Speaker 1: quid pro quo, Oh, you give us a debate where

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Speaker 1: we can make tens of millions of dollars In theory,

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Speaker 1: I think the I don't know about you bought, but

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Speaker 1: I even think the idea that you should be able

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Speaker 1: to run commercials during debates feels a little bit dirty

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Speaker 1: to me.

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Speaker 3: You ever, you ever get on and uh, but you

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Speaker 3: see what I'm saying that, right, which is why we're

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Speaker 3: in the Internet era. Why not just have it streamed live.

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe they'll say the debate participants need like

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Speaker 3: plenty happy to talk for an hour. I mean they've

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Speaker 3: been talking their whole lives Biden Trump, Why why should

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Speaker 3: you know? And why it's really doling out. It's just money.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is guaranteed eyeballs. It's just money to

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Speaker 3: be able to have a debate for your network. So

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Speaker 3: and the notion that there's some prestige that NBC News

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Speaker 3: a joke that these places are journalistic entities that are

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Speaker 1: I think it should be like State of the Union,

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Speaker 1: where everybody covers it on all of the network. And

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Speaker 1: I would argue, if I were doing it, I would say,

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Speaker 1: and this would actually be I think really interesting. What

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Speaker 1: if each candidate got to pick the moderator to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions of the other candidate.

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Speaker 2: I think that would be super fair. Like Trump gets

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Speaker 2: to pick a it.

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Speaker 1: Has to be somebody who's employed by a news network, right,

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Speaker 1: But if Trump wants Sean Hannity to ask every question

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Speaker 1: of Joe Biden, and then let's say Joe Biden wants

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Rachel Maddow to ask every question of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, I actually think that would be incredibly riveting

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Speaker 1: television because obviously then they can end up talking cross

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Speaker 1: talking about different topics, but you then are balancing out

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Speaker 1: the bias by letting basically each guy pick the person

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Speaker 3: And can I just be the wet blanket here for

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Speaker 3: a second on all this though, because I just think

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Speaker 3: I have to for a minute, which is I don't

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Speaker 3: think even though we're in such a media obsessed air,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that debates absent a total catastrophe. And

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Speaker 3: I'm not even sure what that would look like other

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Speaker 3: than someone having a stroke on stage. Absent a total catastrophe,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure the debates really do very much. I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure the debates. I don't think the data shows

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Speaker 3: that they move it's more for spectacle and entertainment than

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Speaker 3: it is for actually helping to determine the election.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the case for a while.

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Speaker 1: I would say that is generally the case, and I

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Speaker 1: agree with you that catastrophe could be a moving aspect.

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Speaker 1: I think it's uniquely maybe different, with the ages of

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Speaker 1: the candidates this year. I don't know that we've ever

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Speaker 1: had a situation where you could legitimately say I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure that at least one of the candidates, certainly Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: is physically capable of finishing his term. Right, how old

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Speaker 1: was Reagan in eighty four, like seventy one or something,

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Speaker 1: seventy four whatever. His age was nowhere close to what

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Speaker 1: Biden would be. And it was a huge topic in

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Speaker 1: eighty four, and I think people wanted to see Reagan

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Speaker 1: how he did. But I think the Biden now, the

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Speaker 1: challenge here is I think we saw it with the

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Speaker 1: State of the Union. They're gonna shoot him up with

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Speaker 1: every caffeine known demand, with every drug cocktail known to man,

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Speaker 1: and Biden's gonna come out and I think he's going

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Speaker 1: in that two hour period. Now, they may have to sleep,

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Speaker 1: he may have to sleep twenty straight hours after he

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Speaker 1: does it. But they will shoot him up with every

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Speaker 1: pill imaginable to make him look energetic and not lost

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Speaker 1: with lethargy. Now here's the challenge, And this is what

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Speaker 1: I would say to Trump if these debates happen.

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Speaker 2: Just get him off his talking points.

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Speaker 1: Biden falls apart when he doesn't have a teleprompter to

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Speaker 1: just be able to read off of. I think he

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Speaker 1: might fall apart in the debates.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just it's deja vous all over again,

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Speaker 3: which I know is a joke. Ever, people was like,

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Speaker 3: deja vu means, I know French, it's a Yogi bear quote, right, Yes,

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Speaker 3: but I remember that was the theory back in in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty, was that Biden when people saw him on

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Speaker 3: stage and then we didn't really have a normal election,

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Speaker 3: I know, because of COVID and that changed things, but

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Speaker 3: it didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Then.

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Speaker 3: I would be very cautious about thinking it would happen

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Speaker 3: this time around. And I still think Biden says no

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Speaker 3: because to your point play, it's different because of the

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Speaker 3: age factor than it has ever been before. Reagan was

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Speaker 3: seventy three years old back in eighty four. Okay, so Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's different because we're talking about a whole step up

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Speaker 3: right seventies to eighties, as anyone listening noses step up

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Speaker 3: in terms of age and energy and everything else makes

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Speaker 3: a difference.

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Speaker 2: And so that's one thing.

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Speaker 3: But I also believe that because the Biden narrative is

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Speaker 3: that Trump is a threat to democracy, they're going to

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Speaker 3: make the deplatforming argument or that you can't platform a

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Speaker 3: threat to democracy like Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: I think you know that's yeah, I think you're right

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Speaker 2: on that.

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Speaker 1: I think when all the major news organizations are saying

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Speaker 1: they want a debate, that gets a harder argument to

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Speaker 1: make because they're not going to give it the same

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Speaker 1: That's what I would.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think they have to say that publicly? You

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Speaker 2: know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: They have to say that publicly. Do you really think

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Speaker 3: they're gonna put a lot of pressure on him if

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Speaker 2: Out of the New York Times. We want him to

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Speaker 2: debate behind closed doors.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they're like, don't debate that that lunatic, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't think I think it's an interesting question.

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Speaker 1: I think behind closed doors, a lot of them may

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Speaker 1: be like, Biden's a disaster. We don't really care if

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Speaker 1: throwing some bobs today. Wow, No, I just I think that.

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Speaker 1: To me, I read that as this is pressure on Biden,

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Speaker 1: letting him know front page New York Times, we're not

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Speaker 1: carrying your water. If you try to argue, oh, I

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Speaker 3: Don't ever underestimate the willingness of the media to carry

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Speaker 1: by both of us. We're happy to do that maybe

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Speaker 1: at some point when those coffee mugs are out there,

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Speaker 1: but we appreciate all the VIPs that have signed up.

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Speaker 1: But check it out at Crocketcoffee dot com. Also wanted

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Speaker 1: to respond to this. This is from Larry. I'm always

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Speaker 1: kind of intrigued by emails. Clay and Buck. You are

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Speaker 1: smart guys and have obviously known all along. Trump has

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Speaker 1: zero chance of ever being re elected president of this country.

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Speaker 1: This is Larry, one of our listeners. So my question is,

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Speaker 1: why did you support him when about any of the

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Speaker 1: other Republican candidates could have beaten Biden.

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Speaker 2: Does it have to do with your ratings?

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Speaker 1: Larry, First of all, I don't understand how anybody could

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Speaker 1: listen to the show and think that we ever endorsed.

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Speaker 2: In fact, really, if you want to go into.

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Speaker 1: The mansions, Desantas and Trump people have fought have been

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Speaker 1: fighting for a year over who we were more.

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Speaker 2: Biased in favor of.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think I mean that who the president

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Speaker 1: is is going to impact our ratings very much at all,

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Speaker 1: because I saw get into that come every day.

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Speaker 3: I also disagree with the premise I think Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: can win this election, and knows if I thought that

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Speaker 3: that was looking shaky, I'd be saying I think it

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Speaker 3: looks no one can predict the future. I say that,

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Speaker 3: and it's true all the time. But if someone asked

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Speaker 3: me right now, who do I think is going to

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Speaker 3: win this election?

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Speaker 2: I truly believe.

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Speaker 3: I say this publicly at speeches, I say here in

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Speaker 3: the show, I believe Donald Trump right now is on

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Speaker 3: a pathway to win.

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Speaker 2: That can change. Yeah, But I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Sitting here saying, oh, it's a lost call. I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's a lost cause at all. So that's just

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Speaker 3: not Look. I appreciate that people want to share their

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Speaker 3: opinions with however we feel or what they think we feel,

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Speaker 3: but I don't believe that's accurate in the least. Let's

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Speaker 3: take Mike in Texas. Here Clay he wants to talk

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Speaker 3: about the media debate. Question, Mike, what's going on?

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Speaker 6: Hi, guys, I've got to throw my weight behind Clay

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Speaker 6: and to piggyback what you just said. You think he's

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Speaker 6: going to win the report from the mainstream media. I

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Speaker 6: think he would win right now too. So this isn't

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Speaker 6: playing games. They're sending Biden's team a message saying, we

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Speaker 6: want you out right now. We're going to threaten to

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Speaker 6: hold you to a debate. Biden could not debate a

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Speaker 6: sock puppet. They know that everybody knows it that the

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Speaker 6: election would be a slam dunk. So I think they're

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Speaker 6: sending a shot across the I'll saying we want you

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Speaker 6: gone to get somebody in there that at least has

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Speaker 6: a shot.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean Biden. According to Bruser, ally, thank you

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Speaker 3: for calling in. Biden is ahead, right now or that's

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Speaker 3: producer Greg. Sorry, Biden's ahead right now in the online

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Speaker 3: betting just to be clear. So I understand if you

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Speaker 3: live on the right, so to speak, Clay, it's easy

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Speaker 3: to think, oh, it can't be Biden. The betting markets

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Speaker 3: have Biden winning right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, they've shifted a little bit in the last week

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Speaker 1: or so and Biden has gotten stronger in the Midwest

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Speaker 1: in the betting markets.

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Speaker 2: But remember betting markets constantly are shifting.

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Speaker 1: I do think that the ruling in Arizona, given that

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Speaker 1: Arizona is a toss up state on whether abortion is

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Speaker 1: allowed under the state consol, let's talk about the big story.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. Let's get in the back because

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Speaker 1: it's factoring in as well. Talking Arizona. Stick around