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Speaker 1: That was outstanding, outstanding.

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Speaker 5: I just I just love it. I love it like

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Speaker 5: the third time I've listened to it, and I just

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Speaker 5: love it. I love the sneaky negative Jill Jill, Jill him.

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Speaker 9: That was my first time listening to it, and that

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Speaker 5: It's a banger. That was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I was overcome, like I just I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's so absolutely a banger.

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Speaker 9: Isn't a banger?

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Speaker 2: It's a banger?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thank you Jill.

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Speaker 5: That was tremendous.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I was like, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what to say. You lost your you lost your practice. No,

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Speaker 2: I know you've been bitching about it, be bitching about it.

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Speaker 2: And she's like, we gotta throw them a bone. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know when when when one will have to

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Speaker 2: go that was that was brilliant.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. All Right, it is Tuesday here at Jillette

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Speaker 1: Stadium and it's Deuce, it's Tamara in her leopard skin,

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Speaker 1: Evan Paul, myself, Matt and Na Booth.

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Speaker 9: Wait what was it?

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Speaker 5: Can you do that again?

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Speaker 9: Wow? And this will probably be my last time wearing

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Speaker 9: this to start.

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Speaker 1: The season is over. The Patriots wrapped up the season

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Speaker 1: with a seventeen to three loss to the Jets in

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Speaker 1: a game. I thought there was no way they would lose.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I got to be honest.

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Speaker 5: I didn't think they would lose either.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I picked them right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were all back on board.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I thought there was a chance they could lose,

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Speaker 1: The fact that they just couldn't put together anything, and

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Speaker 1: You know, just really disappointing into the season, but typical

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Speaker 1: course the big story is what's gonna happen with Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. We know according to reports that they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hearing various reports. I don't know about the Jeff

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Speaker 5: Really if he says they could do this, if he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, breaking players have packed up and they're gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, saw them all the human tark that's

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Speaker 1: And then there was a story today by Mike Katlick,

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Speaker 1: who had extensive time with Trent Brown. Did you read that, Dakota,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry guy, Dakota.

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Speaker 9: Sorry, I just want to give you a proper credit.

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Speaker 1: When a player is that specific about personnel moves? You

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Speaker 9: Sure, and he was on that twenty one line, right,

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Speaker 9: so like that's that was his line for a while.

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Speaker 9: And I think he we all talk about it all

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Speaker 9: those series of moves on the interior, Toney Carris Mason,

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Speaker 1: Know, And it's funny. But despite all of that, he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: You know what it is.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't have any options.

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Speaker 5: If they give him more money than anybody else, like

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Speaker 1: But for most most of them, no, that can't happen.

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Speaker 5: I would highly doubt it. But the premise of what

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Speaker 5: can't identify it. You can't. There's not a like a

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Speaker 5: But I do think that you're right, Fred, when they

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Speaker 5: gave a lot of money Ted Carris. We're not talking

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Speaker 5: look at that and say, God, like Ted Carris.

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Speaker 1: He did.

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Speaker 5: He was like a late round draft way up, did

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Speaker 9: Honestly, he was he was a media favorite. I love

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Speaker 9: Ted Harris. I mean that guy is head a great

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Speaker 9: He's a great human beings. Walter Peyton, Man of the

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Speaker 9: Year nominee for the Bengals this year team captain. You know, like,

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Speaker 9: that's the guy that they should have been building around.

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Speaker 9: But it's like they have a boat that's taking on water,

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Speaker 9: they did on the offensive line was and that's kind

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Speaker 9: of what Trent's point was was he already had to

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Speaker 9: and now you're starting over on the offensive line too,

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Speaker 9: and they just they spread themselves too thin. You don't

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Speaker 4: That's why I'm concerned. I'm like, who ultimately made the decision?

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Speaker 4: Was it the scouting department?

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Speaker 3: Was it Bill?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: Who?

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Speaker 4: Like, who's that fault?

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Speaker 10: Here?

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Speaker 1: In Bill's own worlds, he had final.

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Speaker 5: Say for for who designed and who not. That's one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent Bill, absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know what else resonated for me was the thing

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Speaker 2: about it just sucks not knowing your schedule for the

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Speaker 2: I have I've heard that from a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: and I think we're all on that schedule too. We

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Speaker 2: all we all get that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope to get a little top golf in tonight.

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Speaker 1: That's been a com excuse me, a common theme throughout

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Speaker 5: Going back, you know, and I can tell your stories,

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Speaker 2: This was always it keeping.

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Speaker 1: That's not a new thing with Bill's.

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Speaker 5: Bill has always been like that.

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Speaker 5: That's a reason why it doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not a thing of late. He's

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Speaker 1: next month, you know. And but I get what Trent

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Speaker 2: And we're kind of collateral damage here, like we're under

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Speaker 2: or you know, those kind of things. It's like, oh rap.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you're winning, that stuff is fine, but

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Speaker 1: when you're not, that becomes really bad. And you know,

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Speaker 1: they're famous for, like sending flowers to the wives, having

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Speaker 1: get some time in and have dinner with everybody. They

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Speaker 1: take that into consideration. They they're acknowledging this is tough.

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Speaker 1: It's a sacrifice for everyone. We're gonna do what we

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Speaker 1: can to make it a little bit better. Bill doesn't

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Speaker 1: think that way. You know, he doesn't think that way.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, I'm sure same conversations like so, what's

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Speaker 2: It's seven o'clock, what like tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing?

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Speaker 5: And I think that stuff is important, And we talked

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Speaker 5: They low balled them over a million bucks. I mean, so, like,

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Speaker 5: what kind of message does that send? And I'm not

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Speaker 1: And think about it. You know, if Carris was still here, yes,

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Speaker 9: Right, it's a domino effect because now the first round

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Speaker 1: Yeah, think away.

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Speaker 9: Are we sure they wanted to win on Sunday?

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Speaker 9: Are we sure that the Patriots? We think the Patriots

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Speaker 1: Sure there's a silver lining and losing, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 5: But do you think they did? Do you think there

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Speaker 1: At the player level? No, at you know, at the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that they. I thought they tried

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Speaker 9: With that on offense, and I'm not saying that they

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Speaker 9: I don't know how the weather would if.

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Speaker 1: You tell me that there was some guys making business

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Speaker 9: When it don't, I don't even know.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I just look at the way that they game

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Speaker 9: Does that sound like Bill Belichick coach defense to any

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Speaker 9: look at their game plan defensively, I wouldn't say maybe

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Speaker 9: preseasons going a little too far. Maybe more like September

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Speaker 9: bass blitzing package, base coverage. We're not doing anything exotic.

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Speaker 9: There's no wrinkles to the game plan whatsoever. Like you're

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Speaker 9: in a snowstorm against the Jets and you're putting seven

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Speaker 9: For you're worried about Trevors go out in a blizzard.

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Speaker 1: If what you're saying is true, it would have to

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Speaker 1: come from Bill in terms of, hey, we're just gonna

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Speaker 9: Like what I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. All

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Speaker 5: I mean, I that's a lot of good stuff there.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise you're right there, you know they made They did

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Speaker 5: like it's not like they for all the yards that

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Speaker 5: three out of four. Yeah, I agree with you, do

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Speaker 1: The Patriots had to do was score a couple of touchdowns,

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Speaker 5: Off Defensively, they ran, you know, they're trying to move

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Speaker 9: They ran you know, they went for it on fourth down,

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Speaker 9: exact way, you know. It just it's very unpatriot like

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Speaker 9: only way you're losing the game is that brist Hall

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would say that on that last drive,

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Speaker 5: long touchdown run on that. Yeah. Maybe at that point

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Speaker 5: Bill said lose it anyway.

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Speaker 9: I don't know. I just don't that didn't Maybe it's

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Speaker 5: So I have a guy who emails me all the time,

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Speaker 5: and they're tanking. And they're doing this, they're doing that,

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Speaker 5: I don't agree with it. I don't think. I think

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Speaker 5: some of the things that he says are sort of

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Speaker 5: You know, who knows doesn't mean I'm right. Maybe this

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Speaker 2: I think the weather MUDDI did a little bit too,

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Speaker 5: Like, did anybody possibly envision the Jets playing a clean game?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Their only turnover was when the moron tried to lateral

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Speaker 9: like we're gonna we have this great game plan. Like

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Speaker 9: for this game, liked Mayo gets shout outs from Dietrich

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Speaker 9: show him this film. Okay, That's all I got.

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Speaker 1: Interesting thing any other thoughts on the game at all?

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Speaker 4: Or I just like went in expecting, like okay, like

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Speaker 9: Yeah, to not just like have eight nine guys in

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Speaker 9: how is this the plan? Like you really thought Trevor

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Speaker 4: I definitely want to expect him like, oh, they're going

442
00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,720
Speaker 4: to try to just run it, but that's dumb to

443
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,040
Speaker 4: do against the Patriots defense who's been so good against

444
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:10,320
Speaker 4: the run.

445
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Speaker 9: So I don't know it.

446
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,720
Speaker 1: As a result, they have the third pick. Now there

447
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 1: you go, and I don't think it's going to be

448
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:18,200
Speaker 1: Michael Pennox.

449
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,720
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what's just funny about Michael Pennock the process.

450
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,440
Speaker 2: I know it's it's but it's like, you know, last

451
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Speaker 2: week after everyone was, oh, he's gonna be one of

452
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Speaker 2: the top ten, and now he's like, like, it's just

453
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 2: think the rollers.

454
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,679
Speaker 5: Am I the only one that just like looks at

455
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,879
Speaker 5: that stuff and saysn't it's not really like it doesn't

456
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 5: really get wildly fluctuated. But based on the last.

457
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Speaker 2: Two games, well it doesn't fans, right, No, no, but

458
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Speaker 2: I don't not the scout, you know what I think

459
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:45,159
Speaker 2: of that?

460
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Speaker 9: I actually disagree because the college football Playoff is the

461
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 9: best of the best. So this is the closest thing

462
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 9: competition wise that he's going to get to playing NFL

463
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 9: competition before he gets to the NFL.

464
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Speaker 11: No.

465
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 1: True, you wanted to see what he was going to

466
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 1: do against the real a good team with a good defense.

467
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 1: But then again, I mean he got his butt kick.

468
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 1: You know, I just look at it as I was

469
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 1: an honest evaluation.

470
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Speaker 5: Maybe I'm being incredibly naive, but I think a hell

471
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 5: of a lot more of these guys in the NFL

472
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 5: than to think, well, across him, you know.

473
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Speaker 1: We'll see if you can get him in that round.

474
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 5: I don't think he puddled. I think you guys are right.

475
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 5: I think that he was under a lot of pressure

476
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 5: all night. It was it was a little loss. He missed.

477
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 5: The fourth down throw that he missed early in the

478
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 5: game was huge. Yeah, you know, he had that. They

479
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 5: dial up a play and he's wide open and he

480
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 5: overthrown through it to the outside. But the thing that

481
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 5: makes these difficulties you don't know where he's rated. You

482
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 5: don't like like evn't made the point a couple of

483
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 5: weeks ago of it takes everybody in the media a

484
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 5: little while to catch up to where the league is

485
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Speaker 5: on where everybody's rated to go. So I don't know.

486
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Speaker 5: For all I know the league had him going number

487
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 5: seven over you know, and everybody else thinks he's like

488
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 5: a borderline first round pick. I don't know where the

489
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 5: league has him. If the league, I just can't imagine that. Like,

490
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 5: to me, it would have had to have been something

491
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 5: way different that you saw than that that was just

492
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 5: like he didn't play great.

493
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the the general consensus from like the

494
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 9: reporting that's been out there on it is that the

495
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 9: league was definitely lower on him than the media and

496
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 9: the public. With shocker like it's usually the case. And

497
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 9: I think he was viewed as a guy that had

498
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Speaker 9: some first round traits but was probably more of like

499
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Speaker 9: an early second round prospect because of the injuries and

500
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,479
Speaker 9: because of the history that he has there yea. And

501
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 9: I think this game the awards that did exist on

502
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 9: film with him, you know, inability to evade pressure, you know,

503
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 9: not not the most mobile guy in the pocket, and

504
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 9: then also just struggling to throw to the intermediate part

505
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 9: of the field, Like he's the bigger problem. Biggest problem

506
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 9: I see with him is that he only threw rows fastballs.

507
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 9: Like the ball comes out and it's nine nine miles

508
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 9: an hour. Whether it's a five yard throw or it's

509
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 9: a fifty yard throw, He's throwing the ball the same way.

510
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 9: And in this game, Michigan really forced him to like

511
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 9: layer throws in there into the middle of the field,

512
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 9: and he just doesn't really have a great feel for

513
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 9: that part of his game. And NFL throws like those

514
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 9: are how you move the ball in the league.

515
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Speaker 5: I would just like to think that the NFL had

516
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 5: that evaluation, right, do you know what I mean? Like

517
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 5: not just Devin, Like no, no, no, I'm saying that's fair

518
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 5: because he Uh, because listen, we've talked last week. You know,

519
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 5: Eldrid has been talking about how well he runs, and

520
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 5: I keep saying he clearly is not a great runner,

521
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 5: Like you don't have these numbers if you're a great runner.

522
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 5: I would argue that McCarthy's a better runner than Pennix.

523
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: Carli actually looked really fast last night.

524
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Speaker 5: He stinks.

525
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he helped himself a little bit.

526
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 5: He's he did really good job of handing the ball off.

527
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a guy like who just because you win

528
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 4: a national championship doesn't mean you need to go top ten.

529
00:22:59,760 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: I know.

530
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 5: Plus, I think Tannonbomb gave him the kiss of death

531
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 5: I saw today. This is the rock solid traffic should

532
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 5: be middle of the first round. It's all I need

533
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 5: to It's all I need to hear. It's all I

534
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 5: need to hear.

535
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm out.

536
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 5: I'm out on him because Tannon Bomb's low for life.

537
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 9: There's a lot of old school scouts like a Tanner

538
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 9: Bomb on Twitter.

539
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 5: That's the way quarterbacks should be played, Evan.

540
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 9: That that talk about Uh, McCarthy's like he's a winner

541
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Speaker 9: and he's tough and he's smart, and you know all

542
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 9: those types of things, and uh, the league is wised

543
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 9: up on a lot of that stuff, I feel like,

544
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 9: and now has gotten more, Yeah, gotten more towards the

545
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 9: trade side of things versus like let's get the smart

546
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 9: winner quarterback, you know like that that.

547
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 5: I guess the whole thing, And I know the fans

548
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 5: we're all gonna wildly overreact because that's it's fun. That's

549
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 5: what we do, you know. But I would like to

550
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 5: think that the NFL had an idea of Michael Pennock's

551
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 5: skill set before the Texas game and before the Michigan game,

552
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 5: and I totally agree that those are wildly different performances.

553
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 5: I just feel like I don't think that they changed

554
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 5: their mind as drastically as we do.

555
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: Who's better JJ McCarthy or Stetson Bennett.

556
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 9: McCarthy, Yeah, I think JJ McCarthy. But yeah with Daniel

557
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 9: with Pennix, his timing and his accuracy into the middle

558
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 9: of the field is was the big knock, along with

559
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 9: the ability under pressure to escape pressure and the mobility

560
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 9: and that sort of thing, And that's exactly what came

561
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 9: out last night against Michigan. So I think that that's

562
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 9: what's the most alarming, is like, were these knocks just

563
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 9: you know, were they yellow flags.

564
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 5: Or were they red flags?

565
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 9: In mishicking right in Michigan makes it look like those

566
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 9: were Those are real concerns this projection.

567
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 5: He was sacked like twelve times all year. Yeah, like

568
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 5: that that to me is a concern, ye like, because

569
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 5: clearly he didn't have to deal with that very often.

570
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 5: You know, it was only sacked once last night. But

571
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 5: he clearly is not under the same amount of duress

572
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 5: that a lot of other guys are.

573
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 9: To be fair, just every quarterback in this class has

574
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 9: this game. You know, Jayden Daniels had Florida State, Drake

575
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 9: May had NZ State, Caleb Williams had Notre Dame. They

576
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 9: were all under siege, ye with a ton of pressure,

577
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 9: and they all stunk.

578
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: Like they're all not that good.

579
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 5: That's always a possibility.

580
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 9: But every quarter like, every quarterback has a mulligan. It

581
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 9: just so happens that his was in the National Championship game.

582
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 5: I still like Panics a lot, but he did not

583
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 5: play well last night. I can't. That's kind of not

584
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 5: going to pretend that what I saw didn't happen.

585
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 2: That's how I'm kind of I feel like I've changed

586
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: a little bit with my draft approach, and right now

587
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: I feel like one or two of these quarterbacks is

588
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: going to be good. One or two of them, that's it.

589
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, I don't know what two. It's very rare

590
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: that you have five or six guys and they're all good.

591
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: That's rare.

592
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that almost never happens.

593
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more like one or two.

594
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean top to bottom, like one

595
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: or two.

596
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. All right, eight five to five

597
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: pasts five hundred is the ACE ticket hot line, web

598
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: radio at pagris dot com is the email address? What

599
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: else we got? The coach thing, we got, the Jets game,

600
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: we got the National championship, and the draft choice for

601
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots coming up? What else opponents we got?

602
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: We know where we are going back to Chicago, get

603
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 2: to see them. Yeah, and then you know, a couple

604
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: of reports of you know, Puoli and McDaniels like those

605
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 2: kind of things being kicked around.

606
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: That was kind of weird, Like all of a sudden,

607
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: it's like Bill does his press conference and says, yeah,

608
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: I'd be willing to do whatever is in the best

609
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: interests of the team and all all of a sudden,

610
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: Now all these stories about Josh McDaniel's coming back and

611
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: Poli coming back, get the band together.

612
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 5: You know, I just want to say thank you, Fred Kirsh.

613
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 5: But just the way you just said that, he says,

614
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 5: I'd be willing to do what's in the best interests

615
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 5: of the team, which is what he said, right. The

616
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 5: only thing that was added to that that you just

617
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 5: paraphrased was if we collectively decide it's in the best

618
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 5: interest in the team. But everybody has said, well, Bill

619
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 5: is he's willing to still is willing to. He conceded,

620
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 5: he's willing to to to relinquish that. That's not what

621
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 5: he said. It's not what he said. And I think

622
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 5: that a lot of people have taken it that way

623
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 5: like this was his he's begging, he's begging to stay.

624
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 9: Like no, he said that he'd be willing to do

625
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 9: collectively what's in the best interesting.

626
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: I think what he is doing is making it tough.

627
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: Correct leverage play for sure. That was a complete leverage play.

628
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: He never mentions his contract. He mentions that he was

629
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: under contract, that he'd be willing to do whatever. You know,

630
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm a good employee, I'm willing to be here. I'm

631
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: not disgruntled. So in other words, if you want to

632
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 1: get rid of me, you gotta fire me, and that narrative,

633
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: it'll become one of the Felger facts if that sticks.

634
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: And then if Bill leaves and he'll say, well, I

635
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 2: mean he's he was willing to step down. They didn't

636
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 2: do that though, like he.

637
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 5: Said, I'm willing to yesterday. You know he was.

638
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: I didn't mean specifically.

639
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 5: Our boss was was under fire, Like what are we

640
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 5: waiting for? That's just like one day, Mike Jesus.

641
00:27:59,160 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: That's what I mean.

642
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. It's you know, it's just all

643
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: these things that all of a sudden get construed into

644
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: being a fact, and now there become examples when you're like,

645
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's true. And I certainly

646
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: agree one hundred percent with what Paul said, so leverage

647
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: what he was saying was what he was saying. He

648
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: wasn't voluntarily saying if they want me to step down,

649
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: no problem, I'll just coach the team.

650
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 5: Earlier in the show, Fred also touched on something else

651
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 5: that Bill said yesterday that didn't get really a lot

652
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 5: of play, and that was that you know, we have

653
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 5: a lot of people that are involved in these decisions

654
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 5: and someone has to be the final say. And that's

655
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 5: been nice to me. That's me. So he's telling you

656
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 5: that I have final say, like I don't know, Like

657
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 5: people continue to say, well, you know, Robert Kraft made

658
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 5: him do this and this guy made him do that.

659
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 5: And he's telling you that we have a lot of

660
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 5: people that weigh in on a lot of these decisions

661
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 5: and I am the one who has the final say,

662
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,239
Speaker 5: and people still don't listen to it.

663
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

664
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Speaker 2: Do you think there was anything more about in McDaniel's

665
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: being here this weekend other than coming to a game

666
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: in a Blizzard to say goodbye to Matthew Slater.

667
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule it out. I don't know. I mean, like,

668
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: he's around, he needs something to do, right, and he's

669
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: getting paid, so.

670
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 5: He lives here, right?

671
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: Does he still live here?

672
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: Does he still live here? Yeah? Okay, so it was

673
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: a little ride down the roads.

674
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was about both Slater and Bill.

675
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

676
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 5: I think he recognized that it was quite possibly Bill's

677
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: last game too. But yeah, Slater's probably the bigger thing.

678
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 5: Where was he in the at the game? Do you know,

679
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 5: I don't know.

680
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: Somebody said I think he went through the VIP gate,

681
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: whatever that gate is. I'm not sure what's to which

682
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: gate they were firmed.

683
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 5: Do you know where he watched firm Fred, I have

684
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 5: no idea.

685
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: Up in the three hundreds of Probably was he in

686
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: the stands lays in a suite?

687
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 5: I can't imagine, because I can't I know that raider money.

688
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 5: Evidently Will was down, you know, in the middle of

689
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 5: one of the one hundred. Oh of course he should.

690
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

691
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 5: They never made it up to myself, I was gonna.

692
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: Say, because I would imagine Bill has a suite, right Bill, Oh, yes,

693
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: so he's probably in that one.

694
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know. I mean Evan, Evan brought it up.

695
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's really hard. I mean, look, nobody really,

696
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: I think, is going to advocate for this. But it's

697
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: really hard to see Josh mcdamia's and Bill O'Brien on

698
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: the same staff trying to make that work like that

699
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: just seems that seems impossible to me. Yeah, not that

700
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: I would ever advocate for it, but something would have

701
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: to give there. I don't have to go unless Josh,

702
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: like you know, he's getting paid he doesn't care, and

703
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: he's just the quarterbacks coach.

704
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 9: O'Brien's the quarterbacks coach.

705
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: I know, But O'Brien could be a coordinator.

706
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 9: And yeah, I mean I just think that there's no

707
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 9: like the senior football advisor role is. But then like

708
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 9: Joe Judge is technically the assistant head coach, so isn't

709
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 9: that kind of the same thing. And I just think

710
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 9: there's a lot of cooks in that kitchen, and like,

711
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 9: who who's the young quarterback listening to? You know once?

712
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 9: And then if he struggled for the first month, and

713
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 9: it's going to be why don't we have McDaniel's call plays,

714
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 9: you know, Like it's just I think.

715
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: We should have a staff of all former head coaches,

716
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: big bat, Patricia, you know, we can have.

717
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 9: Judge on the surface though, like it them, the plan

718
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 9: being we're gonna beef up personnel, We're going to beef

719
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 9: up the coaching staff. We're going to bring back guys

720
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 9: with experience that know what they're doing. That that's probably

721
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 9: like I would imagine that that's probably his pitch, Bill's pitch,

722
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 9: you know, whether it's a guy like Paoli McDaniels, you know,

723
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 9: whoever are going to bring the band back together, and

724
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 9: we're gonna get the coaching staff back in order, and

725
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 9: we're not going to rely on you know, these kids

726
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 9: that that haven't been doing it for very long, and

727
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 9: we're gonna get you know, veterans back in the room

728
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 9: and everything's gonna be fine.

729
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 5: Along those lines, something that Tomorrow was talking about last

730
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 5: week about you know, sort of having some urgency to

731
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 5: make these moves. I saw today common Brisillo is going

732
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 5: to be interviewing for the offensive line job for the Giants.

733
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 5: Because he's part of the staff with the Raiders. He's

734
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 5: kind of in limbo. You know, they don't know exactly

735
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 5: what they're gonna do if they're going to retain. Oh,

736
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 5: we have news.

737
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 9: It's not it's not our breaking news. Mike Rabel fired

738
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 9: as the Titans.

739
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: That's breaking news.

740
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 5: Breaks we break it. We wait, wow, someone else to

741
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 5: say it and then let you know, that's big news.

742
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: That is big news.

743
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: I thought he'd go on his terms, but anyway, go ahead.

744
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think just going off with the Paul just said,

745
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 4: I think like watching watching the Commanders, like request all

746
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: these interviews so fast, it's like you don't want to

747
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 4: wait until Friday, if you if you are going to

748
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 4: do it to get rid of Bill, and then all

749
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: the interviews have already happened and you're.

750
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: Still and I think unless unless the persons that you

751
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: have tagged are still in the playoffs.

752
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 9: Right, Well, you can't have an interview yet until it's

753
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 9: the division round.

754
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: Right. You usually go with the division round. You can't

755
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 5: have an in person interview until the division round.

756
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: Right.

757
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 5: But my point is.

758
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 9: We cannot just gloss over this Rabel thing.

759
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 5: You can you can still do these kinds of things

760
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 5: that Tamara is talking about.

761
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: You can.

762
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 5: You can make requests and yeah and sort of get

763
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 5: your ducks in a room.

764
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

765
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 5: So now, Yeah, the Rable thing I think is huge.

766
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: That's wild.

767
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: It is huge.

768
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, because I his candidacy here as Bill's successor was

769
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 9: always caveated with. They would have to trade for him.

770
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 9: Now they wouldn't even have to give up anything to

771
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 9: hire him.

772
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: What if it's a swap again, We've talked about it.

773
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: Bill has Tennessee roots. He was born in Tennessee.

774
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 5: Perfect of Bill, the same team, Yeah, it's the same

775
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 5: team he has.

776
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: He has a lot of roots in Tennessee, a lot

777
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: of connections in Tennessee. That wouldn't be the worst place

778
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: for him to go in his mind.

779
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: I think Rable's the favorite to land here right now.

780
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: But would you lose?

781
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would screw this, I'm out of it.

782
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: I'd make I'd say, make the defensive coordinator, make him

783
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: the official defensive But does he want to be?

784
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: Would he do?

785
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 4: Or do you think he'll leave and go work somewhere

786
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: like the Giants? Who needs who need a defensive coordinator?

787
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 5: That's great, you can retain my services by making me

788
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 5: the janitor. But doesn't mean I'm gonna stay.

789
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: No, that's I mean, that's it's his choice. I mean

790
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: i'd be, I'd be.

791
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 5: I think I think you lose Mayo in that scenario. Now,

792
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 5: I'm not telling you that if you think that Rabel's better,

793
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 5: but I'm not telling you not to do it because

794
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 5: of that. But I think you lose Mayo if you.

795
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 5: I kind of would do this.

796
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 9: I think that he that Mayo would be open to

797
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 9: being the official by titled defensive art, I need.

798
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 5: To know a little bit more in terms of what

799
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 5: he was told.

800
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 9: That's fair. I mean, I guess he could feel burned,

801
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 9: but I just feel like at the same time, it's

802
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 9: kind of a big leap. We've talked about it for

803
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 9: him going to as a linebackers coach co defensive coordinator

804
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 9: under Bill Belichick, who's never called plays, has never done

805
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 9: it on his own, to now being a head coach

806
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 9: year football team. Now at least he has a title

807
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 9: to fall back on next year or two years from now,

808
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 9: and say, I am the defensive coordinator in New England,

809
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 9: I am running it and you know Rabel is more

810
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 9: of the CEO now and you know I'm doing it

811
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 9: this way.

812
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: If you bring in if you want, if you if

813
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: you start looking at Rabel, then the Rooney rule does

814
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 1: kick in and you have to interview other people. Yeah,

815
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: I think if you elevate Mayo, because I looked into this,

816
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: there's a succession clause that the Rooney rule can't get

817
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: in the way of, you know, internal succession.

818
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 5: If it's a minority, no, it doesn't matter. I don't think.

819
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 5: I think someone got in trouble for this.

820
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: Like no, if if the person and here's the caveat,

821
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: if the person had something written in their contract a

822
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: year ahead of time, the Rooney rule can't get in

823
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: the way of internal succession. It's not meant to like

824
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: impede or get in get in the way of continuity

825
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: on a team. So if the if the person in

826
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: question has something in their contract like if this happens,

827
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: you will be you know, then the Rooney rule gets

828
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: superseded if it's internal from what I understand.

829
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 5: So, how does everybody feel about Brabel?

830
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's he's got to be the favorite.

831
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 12: If we're gonna get to I'm not if we're gonna

832
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 12: like I like my Rabel, but if we're gonna go outside,

833
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 12: I want an offensive guy.

834
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: Hire an offensive I hire a new offensive staff.

835
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 9: That would be my my thing with Rabel. I think

836
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 9: he's a good motivator. I think he's a good like

837
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 9: CEO head coach in that respect, and I would assume

838
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 9: that he would try to retain as much as the

839
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 9: defensive staff as possible to run the defense. What's your

840
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 9: pitch on offense? Because the Titans offense has not been

841
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 9: very good and it really even in like the Tannehill years,

842
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 9: like it was Derrick Henry in play action and like

843
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 9: that can't be. It wasn't sustainable.

844
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: And I need to know what are we going to

845
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: use this number three draft pick? On if we're going

846
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: to use it on a quarterback, I want a head

847
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: coach who is a quarterback whisperer, who who will grow

848
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: up with this guy, who they'll be together, hopefully for

849
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: the next decade.

850
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 5: That would be ideal. I just I love, love, love Rabel.

851
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 5: I do I love I love everything. I love everything

852
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 5: about him. I'm just looking at his track record and

853
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 5: I think, listen, if you're asking me, gun to my head,

854
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 5: Rabel Ormeo, I would I would say Rabel just because

855
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 5: of the experience. That's it. At least. I don't know

856
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 5: if Mayo is capable of putting together an offense. I

857
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 5: know Rabel can't. I've watched him for five plus years.

858
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 5: I know that they're gonna do exactly what Evan said.

859
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 5: They're gonna play it's Bill light, It's they're gonna try

860
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 5: to play defense. They're gonna try to keep the score down,

861
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: and they're gonna try to run the ball. And that

862
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 5: will get you some wins because he's a good coach

863
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 5: and you'll be able to what did they win six games?

864
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 5: I think they stink. He was able to win six

865
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 5: games like that'll get you some wins. I just don't

866
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 5: think it'll get you where you want to go. Like

867
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 5: I think they kind of took everybody by storm when

868
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 5: Tannehill had this incredible deal with the Devil in whatever

869
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 5: it was nineteen where he was out of his mind

870
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 5: down the stretch of that season. He took over like

871
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 5: halfway through that year and played the best football of

872
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 5: his career by far. Again, it's all depended on that quarterback,

873
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 5: and I don't think they have it. Yeah, I just

874
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 5: wanted to get to have the quarterback.

875
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 9: I wonder too with their roster decisions, like whose decision

876
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 9: was it to move on from AJ Brown and draft

877
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 9: Traylon Burks because that's.

878
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: That's that's the that's what people assume. Yeah, but he

879
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: lost the fight.

880
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 9: I would be asking Vrabel straight up like what why

881
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 9: why did you guys do that? Because in my mind,

882
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 9: like that's such a Patriots move, Like we're not going

883
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 9: to pay this proven guy, We're going to draft a

884
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 9: guy that's seventy five percent is good of him, that's

885
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 9: seventy five percent cheaper, right, and like that that's how

886
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 9: you get into this mess. Like the Tannehill season that

887
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 9: Paul is talking about, a lot of that was because

888
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 9: AJ Brown is really really good at football, and he

889
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 9: was just out there making plays, especially off play action

890
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 9: where he's just got all this room to run and maneuver,

891
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 9: and he was making plays on the.

892
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 5: Barrick Henry was you know that much younger, and you know,

893
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 5: just right.

894
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: The best the best argument that Vrabel would have is,

895
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: you know the Adams family. It's it's like and owners

896
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: love hearing that.

897
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he left.

898
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: I just want to make the pitch du well. I

899
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: mean he landed with Derrick Henry and he had the

900
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: best running back in the game. So I mean, are

901
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: we say, are we faulting him for building an offense

902
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: around that guy? As much as it echoes what they

903
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: do here, I mean they had some success with it.

904
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: They drafted AJ Brown. I mean that's something the Patriots

905
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: did not do. I hear what you guys are saying,

906
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: but I also would use you know, what would you

907
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: say is the most innovative offense in the NFL right now?

908
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: But who's running like the most unique offense in the NFL?

909
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: Kyle Baltimore. Well, I mean a lot of people run

910
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: the Shanahan offensiugh, right, I mean Baltimore. John Harball is

911
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: not an offensive guy, you know. I mean he showed

912
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: the foresight to change his offense and to accommodate to

913
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: the players. So I'm not saying I'm right, but I'm

914
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: just saying just because the guy's a defensive coach doesn't

915
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: put him in this bubble that.

916
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 5: Maybe how long? How long has Lamar Jackson been Baltimore's

917
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: quarterback since nineteen? Yeah, eighteen? I think it took him

918
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 5: all awful long time to do what he did this

919
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 5: year and hire real offensive coaches.

920
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: Well then you need with Greg Roman though, I mean

921
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 2: that was a few years ago.

922
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 5: But all they did was run the ball. This is

923
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 5: my my point, right, but like anybody can do that,

924
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 5: but it took him six years to say we need

925
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 5: to do something different with this personnel group, to figure

926
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 5: out a way to do it. I don't want to

927
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 5: wait that one.

928
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 9: And to your point, Paul Todd Monkins now interviewing for

929
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 9: head coaching jobs elsewhere, Greg Roman.

930
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 5: Was all right.

931
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: Point was not that they're going to develop he probably was.

932
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: It was not that they're going to develop a unique offense.

933
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: The point is that just because a coach isn't an

934
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: offensive coach doesn't mean that you can't have an innovative

935
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball that's been different. So look,

936
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: everybody's just gonn be pounding the table for Mike McDaniel's court.

937
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: And you know, get Wes Welker, you know, like, get

938
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: these young offensive coordinator guys who have been in the system.

939
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: That's what the flavor of the month is. That's what

940
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: everybody's going to say. I don't think it has to

941
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: be that and it doesn't.

942
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 9: Have to be that.

943
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 5: Well, and to your point, Mike, I'll play you aside

944
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 5: of the street and back you up a little bit.

945
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 5: You've seen Jamiko Ryans doing well with a good offensive

946
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 5: coordinator in Bobby Sloweck. And you've seen Antonio Pierce another

947
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 5: defensive guy. Now, I don't think that's just, but he's

948
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 5: done well with the Raiders, So it doesn't have to

949
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 5: be what everybody else is doing to have success. I

950
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 5: totally agree with you on that. I would ask with

951
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 5: Rabel forget about if he's able to get an offensive

952
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 5: staff together. Put how do you think in your heart

953
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 5: of hearts that you think Mike Rabel wants to try

954
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 5: to play.

955
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: Big, tough football team that wants to beat people up?

956
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 5: Right, That's what I'm not interested in Yeah.

957
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 9: I just worry. I worry about Fred's thing, because, like

958
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 9: Houston's a great example, Tamiko Ryans is a right there

959
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 9: coach of the year. Bobby Slowick has been a coordinator

960
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 9: for one season with C. J. Stroud and is already

961
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 9: getting head coaching interviews. So in a year and two years.

962
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 9: The only way that you avoid losing the coordinator every

963
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 9: two years to head coaching job if your quarterback is

964
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 9: good is if it's somebody who's never getting a head

965
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 9: coaching job ever again, Josh McDaniels. I mean, Arthur Smith

966
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 9: was in Tennessee when it was good offensively with the Titans,

967
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 9: so maybe that would be the guy that he would

968
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 9: bring in. But are those those guys. I don't know

969
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 9: if Arthur Smith will get another job. He's only failed once.

970
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 9: Maybe he will, but Josh McDaniels is probably not getting

971
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 9: a third bite at the apple.

972
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 13: Well.

973
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: So, but now you're making the case for Josh McDaniels

974
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: to come back as offensive coordinator, because then Robert Kraft

975
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: can say, whether it's Gerardmeo or Mike Vrabel, I'll have

976
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: you back, Josh. But you can't go anywhere for five

977
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: years at least. Well, that's sad, but but here's the guy,

978
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: here's the guy who you can depend on.

979
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 5: But that's not a reason to hire him because he's

980
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 5: not going anywhere.

981
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: Yes it is.

982
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 5: Do you think he's good? That's the only thing that

983
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 5: should be here. See the best you can get.

984
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: As an offensive coordinator.

985
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 5: Do you think he's the best you can get?

986
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: I feel as good as anyone.

987
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 5: I feel like Huck he's never worked without Brady.

988
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like the offense

989
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 4: is he did.

990
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: Pretty good that first year with Mac Jones.

991
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 5: They were fine. You know, they were fine.

992
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 9: I feel in hindsight there, knowing that Mac had all

993
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 9: these lactations, they were pretty good.

994
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 5: But I think I just think that it was very

995
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 5: circumstantially fortunate that he had the first part of Mac

996
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 5: Jones and then you go back and you watch the

997
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 5: second half. Is exactly what you got in the last

998
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 5: two years.

999
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: Oh, other team's kind of caught up with.

1000
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 5: Exactly, and he got the benefit of before they caught up.

1001
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've heard enough of other people about

1002
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: talking about Josh that.

1003
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 5: Well, you know, some of the records that the Patriots

1004
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 5: broke in for offensive futility, were like Josh McDaniels led

1005
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 5: Saint Louis Rams.

1006
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Josh McDaniel's a good a good coach,

1007
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 9: a good coordinator. But they the system stays the same

1008
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 9: and it gets probably more old school because they probably

1009
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 9: go back to twenty one with the full back and

1010
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 9: you know they'll have Yakub Johnson here next year again,

1011
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 9: and like that's it's what you know, that's kind of

1012
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 9: kind of in line with Rabel, right, Well.

1013
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 5: We just like to try to do it different. Yeah,

1014
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 5: And Mike to you to your point, like, and I

1015
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 5: don't think you're wrong about Rabel. I like Rabel, probably

1016
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 5: not as much as you do, but I like Rabel

1017
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 5: a lot. Yeah, And I do think that he knows

1018
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 5: how to coach, and I do think he knows how

1019
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 5: to motivate. I just my personal feeling is just that

1020
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 5: I feel like he will try to build it in

1021
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 5: a way that I don't think you can go where

1022
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 5: you want to go. You can win games, and I

1023
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 5: think that they would win games. So I'm not saying

1024
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 5: this is what you're saying. It's really not much of

1025
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 5: an argument because I love Rabel so much.

1026
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: Again, all I'm saying about Josh McDaniels is that Craft

1027
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: could be confident that he isn't going anywhere, no one's

1028
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: giving him a head coaching jobs. So then I can

1029
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: bring in a guy like Rabel because he doesn't have

1030
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: to worry about the offense and he doesn't have to

1031
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: worry about his coordinator leaving.

1032
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: The thing that I'm struggling with this same thing is

1033
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: I feel like this puts the cart in front of

1034
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: the horse. This assumes that not only we're going to

1035
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: get a quarterback in an offensive coordinator that are good,

1036
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: but that they're going to have a ton of success

1037
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: and that it's going to be so good that someone's

1038
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: going to want to plug him. Like I like, that's great,

1039
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: But I can't just assume, like I have to hire

1040
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: from a point of we have to put the best

1041
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: that and you know, if it is successful, Okay, that's

1042
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: going to happen to every team. They're gonna get picked.

1043
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: But you know, to to try to make this higher

1044
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: with saying we have to ensure like what if the

1045
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: guy sucks, you know, you can't go here for five years? Well,

1046
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: what if he sucks and he has to stay here

1047
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: for five years? You don't know, you don't know.

1048
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: And now you're making the case for hiring a head

1049
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: coach who was also offensive. Mind. No, I don't care

1050
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: about that.

1051
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: I feel like you have a coach that's flexible and

1052
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: can look the other other offensive people exist. Like they

1053
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: changed coordinators with Lamar. They tweaked it a little bit.

1054
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: It didn't work, but you know, you just have to

1055
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: show an openness. And I think the problem is is

1056
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: that when you're we're kind of used to being closed

1057
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: minded with the coaching staff, that it can only be

1058
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: three different guys that have all been the offensive coordinator

1059
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: before that. If you haven't a coach that is a.

1060
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: Little bit more wrong with that.

1061
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: You know, you can, you can make moves, and if

1062
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: it is that great of a program that you've established,

1063
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna say, great, now we're going to give our

1064
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: quarterbacks coach.

1065
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 5: And maybe ask like one thing you know about all

1066
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 5: of this that's bothering me the most. It's the last

1067
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 5: thing that my I just said, like, we can't even

1068
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 5: talk about a guy for the GM who's never like

1069
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 5: cross pass with Foxborough. And I just think that you're

1070
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 5: so limiting yourself by not looking looking at all options,

1071
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 5: and at least with Rabel. He hasn't coached here before.

1072
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 5: But every single guy who's been brought up has either

1073
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 5: coached here in the past or been part of the

1074
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 5: personnel department in the past. And I just have to

1075
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 5: think there are more ways to do this than just

1076
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 5: with guys that you.

1077
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: And people say is not really under the Belichick tree.

1078
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: He played enough under Belichick that his coaching style got influence.

1079
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 5: And that's why he's to me, I would just keep Bill.

1080
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: He's enough of the Patriots, but he's not, like I

1081
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: feel like Frabel is not going to try to be

1082
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: Bill verbel is just going to be Rabel, the same guy.

1083
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: Know that he's his.

1084
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 5: Own man here, so's he would give it.

1085
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: He's got a little of that Patriots, you know, shine

1086
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: on him that we all you know, we all saw why.

1087
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 2: But it's not the he's just been sitting in here

1088
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: doing it Bill's way the whole time. Certainly that influenced him,

1089
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: but what's wrong with that. I mean, we all think

1090
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: Bill's a great coach. I mean, so he's he's had

1091
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: a chance to work with different people. I mean, I

1092
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: just I'm I'm open to it. I think I think

1093
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Speaker 2: to me him with Mayo gets promoted to the DC.

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Speaker 2: Keep that de defensive continuity. Those guys had some crossover,

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Speaker 2: and then you really have to think about the offensive

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Speaker 2: side of the ball and put it, probably a new

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Speaker 2: staff into place. I would I would listen to arguments

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Speaker 2: for let Bill O'Brien cleanhouse and redo it his way.

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Speaker 2: I might even listen to McDonald and daniels on that.

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Speaker 2: My preference would be to have an all new offensive staff.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I agree with you a lot of

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Speaker 9: your points, Mike, And I think the big thing too

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Speaker 9: with Rabel, along with the film, familiarity with the organization,

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Speaker 9: with the fan base.

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Speaker 5: He's been a head coach.

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Speaker 9: Before for years now, and I think that the succession

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Speaker 9: from Belichick, it's just a little bit cleaner to have

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Speaker 9: somebody that's been in the chair before than to have

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Speaker 9: a girod Mayo or a Ben Johnson or somebody like

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Speaker 9: that that's just never done it before. That's a difficult

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Speaker 9: situation to step into it as a brand new head

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Speaker 9: coach is you're replacing Bill Belichick. And to your point,

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Speaker 9: Rabel's you know, I sometimes call it ego, but his

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Speaker 9: personality is so he's so like comfortable in his own

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Speaker 9: skin that I don't think he's going to be rattled

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Speaker 9: by the fact that he's Bill's successor. I don't think

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Speaker 9: that's going to matter to him. And I think the

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Speaker 9: last thing, he's only forty eight years old, so you

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Speaker 9: know that, I think Bill's age is a really big

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Speaker 9: factor in all of this. He's seventy one years old.

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Speaker 9: You're drafting a quarterback you think get third overall that

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Speaker 9: you're hoping is going to be the quarterback for the

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Speaker 9: next ten years. How long is Bill Belichick going to

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Speaker 9: coach that quarterback for That's my thing. Whereas with Rabel

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Speaker 9: he could coach that quarterback for the next ten years

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Speaker 9: if all goes well. So there's a lot of good arguments.

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Speaker 9: I think Arthur Smith is a good offensive coach too,

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Speaker 9: that has worked with him in the past. Like I mentioned,

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Speaker 9: Oh maybe maybe he's he just got fired by the Falcons.

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Speaker 9: Maybe he's somebody that comes on the staff or maybe

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Speaker 9: even is the offensive coordinator, And that is different that

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Speaker 9: Arthur Smith is more from the West Coast tree and

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Speaker 9: does run things differently offensively. So I think that there

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Speaker 9: are some different things that you would get from Vrable

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Speaker 9: and I'm not totally out on it. I would probably

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Speaker 9: prefer Fred's route of the offensive minded guy. But for

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Speaker 9: the Crafts, I can see why this would just be

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Speaker 9: a home run higher to them.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's the same pattern two of what Pete

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Speaker 2: Carroll was, of what Bill was. Guy who's coached before,

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Speaker 2: has some cachet, same kind of packs.

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Speaker 1: Paul whispered to me that he's hungry, so we're gonna

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Speaker 8: What's up, everybody, Maddie here. Bill Belichick spoke with the

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Speaker 8: media yesterday. Let's have a listen to what he had

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Speaker 8: to say.

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Speaker 15: All right, thank you, well kind of followed a couple

1168
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Speaker 15: of things from yesterday. You know, as I said, it

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Speaker 15: was obviously very disappointing season all the way around, players, coaches, staff, organization.

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Speaker 11: You know, everybody's not.

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Speaker 15: Not anywhere close to what our standard and expectations are.

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Speaker 11: So obviously things that need to be fixed.

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Speaker 15: Proud of the way the players in the team competed,

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Speaker 15: but not not the results obviously from any of us,

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Speaker 15: you know, start with me, and you know all the

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Speaker 15: way down to everybody else that was involved in I

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Speaker 15: know we all feel the same way. So I'm in

1178
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Speaker 15: a contract. Do what I always do, which is, you know,

1179
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Speaker 15: every day I come in work as hard as I

1180
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Speaker 15: can to help the team in whatever way I can.

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Speaker 11: And so that's what I'm gonna continue to do. And

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Speaker 11: you know, today was kind of the wrap up date

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Speaker 11: for us with the players. We'll have a meeting with.

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Speaker 15: Them and and and then go from there. So as

1185
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Speaker 15: far as any you know, decisions or direction or anything

1186
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Speaker 15: like that for next year, is you know, way too

1187
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Speaker 15: early for that end of the year processes. You know,

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Speaker 15: I don't think we'll be fundamentally any different from a

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Speaker 15: you know, the standpoint of how it's done. The decisions,

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Speaker 15: that's a whole nother conversation, but how it's done, you know,

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Speaker 15: meet with Robert like I always do, meet with the staff,

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Speaker 15: meet personnel department, kind of recap the season, look at

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Speaker 15: the big picture, and then look at some of the

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Speaker 15: individual situations that are you know, looming one way or another.

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Speaker 15: So but that's you know, obviously a long a long

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Speaker 15: way off.

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Speaker 11: From where we are right now.

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Speaker 15: And so we'll start, you know, at the end of

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Speaker 15: the day putting the pieces back together in terms of

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Speaker 15: you know, setting things up to go through a you know,

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Speaker 15: a good detailed analysis and to kind of, you know,

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Speaker 15: start a reconstruction if you will.

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Speaker 13: We have more hands raised than we're gonna have time

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Speaker 13: for questions. I'm gonna ask everyone to just ask one question.

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Speaker 16: We'll move on to the next.

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Speaker 13: If we get through the cycle here, we'll go back

1207
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Speaker 13: to you. But in all, like Peohood, we won't get

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Speaker 13: all the recood this start, and i'd ask you to

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Speaker 13: turn your cameras we ask the question.

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Speaker 16: And I'm gonna start with Mike Reese follow by Andrew Kellinghan.

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Speaker 16: Thank you, Stacy. Good morning Bill. I'm curious how do.

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Speaker 13: You view the Patriots' current culture as established by ownership

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Speaker 13: in terms of setting a coach up to succeed?

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Speaker 15: As I just said, I think we'll evaluate everything and

1215
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Speaker 15: you don't take a course at we feel like collective lay.

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Speaker 15: I'll put this on the best half of success.

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Speaker 16: Next question, Andrew Callahan, followed by Chris Lane. Great, good morning, Bill.

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Speaker 16: You've mentioned your meeting with Robert Craft.

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Speaker 11: When is that schedule for.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'll leave all that out, Andrew. We you know,

1221
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Speaker 15: might might be a series of means.

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Speaker 11: I don't know. We'll deal with that internally.

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Speaker 13: Go to Chris Ryan, followed by Damn Robot. Obviously two

1224
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 13: years ago this was a playoff team and appeared to

1225
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 13: be you know, ascending in your view, How did the

1226
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Speaker 13: franchise you know, get to this point.

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Speaker 16: And what are the deficiencies that you're looking.

1228
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Speaker 17: At initially to to clean up heading into next season?

1229
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Speaker 15: All right, well that's what I just talked about, Chris.

1230
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Speaker 15: We'll you know, take a little at everything both, yeah,

1231
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Speaker 15: the current situation, the current year, and and if there's

1232
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Speaker 15: a trend or you know, whatever we feel like we

1233
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 15: can do uh collectively as an organization. Again, it's the

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Speaker 15: same thing we've always done, just organizationally, figure out where

1235
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Speaker 15: we're going, what's our best best path to get there,

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Speaker 15: and you know, look at the previous results, which obviously

1237
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 15: this year weren't very good, and you know, to charter

1238
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Speaker 15: charter course to end.

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Speaker 11: Of the future.

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Speaker 16: Thank you, Damn Moach. Followed by Josh Brogueu, Good morning.

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Speaker 13: Go.

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Speaker 16: Just a thought on.

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Speaker 18: What you were saying is how much you know one

1244
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Speaker 18: day after the season, but how much do you want

1245
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 18: to be here to fix this? And you often talk

1246
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 18: about your passion for coaching still being there, how much

1247
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 18: does that all factor into you just you know want

1248
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Speaker 18: to get this right here in New England after the

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Speaker 18: year that you guys just had.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, Dan, I just open with that, and I'm

1251
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 15: gonna do everything I can every day to do the

1252
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 15: best I can to help our football team. That's what

1253
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 15: I've always done. It's never been any different from me

1254
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 15: in my career. Learned that lesson from my dad growing up.

1255
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Speaker 15: You work for the team that you're working for and

1256
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 15: do the best you can for till somebody tells you different.

1257
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Speaker 15: So that's not gonna change.

1258
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Speaker 13: Josh broken here called by Doug Kind. Josh are there,

1259
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 13: you can hear me?

1260
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Speaker 17: Okay, Bill, good morning, Wondering if you've given any serious

1261
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Speaker 17: thoughts of relinquishing the personnel, maybe some of the draft

1262
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 17: responsibilities and coaching the team that you were saying yesterday

1263
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 17: is something you still really want to do.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm looking for whatever.

1265
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 15: You know, collectively, we decide as an organization is the

1266
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 15: best thing to help our football team.

1267
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 11: And you know, I have multiple roles.

1268
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 15: In that, and I've rely on a lot of people

1269
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Speaker 15: to help me in those uh, in those responsibilities.

1270
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Speaker 11: If somebody's got out of the.

1271
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Speaker 15: Final, say, I have I rely on a lot of

1272
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 15: other people to help and you know, however that whatever

1273
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 15: that process is, you know, I'm only part of it.

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Speaker 16: Thank you, Hied followed by the Code Raina Morrin Bill.

1275
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Speaker 19: Have you received any indication from ownership that your future

1276
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Speaker 19: as head coaches up.

1277
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 5: In the air?

1278
00:56:58,680 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1279
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 15: I told you on I'm here to work as hard

1280
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 15: as I can have our team every day. That's what

1281
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 15: I'm gonna do.

1282
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 13: The cod Renal Fall by Zach Coxy Hey Bill.

1283
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 19: With the season now over, I'm just wondering if you

1284
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 19: could offer an updated assessment of Mac Jones and whether

1285
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 19: you know you think he can be a starting quarterback

1286
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 19: in this league.

1287
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 11: Yeah. As I said, we'll go through, you know, our

1288
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 11: off season evaluations and all that. Right now.

1289
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 15: You know, it's less than twenty four hours after the

1290
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 15: Jets came, and that's where all my focus was up

1291
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 15: until four o'clock.

1292
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Speaker 16: Yesterday, like cox All by Tyler Barronsky Morning Belt.

1293
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 9: Now that the season is over, do you have any

1294
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 9: regrets about the way you assembled this team or do

1295
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 9: you think the struggles were more due to injuries and

1296
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 9: bad breaks and things like that.

1297
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 15: I think we have some things that we can build on.

1298
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 15: I think there's some things that we need to to

1299
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 15: fix and change.

1300
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 16: Patter Bronski, followed by Mark Daniels and Bill. When players

1301
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Speaker 16: reflect on playing for you this season after a coupy're

1302
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 16: all around, What do you hope they say about you?

1303
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1304
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 15: Well, I mean, look, we're all disappointed in the season,

1305
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 15: So that's you know, I already talked about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: As I said, every day i've come to work here

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Speaker 15: and everywhere else else I've worked. I've done the best

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Speaker 15: that I could each each and every day to help

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00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 15: our football team.

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Speaker 11: So that's what I've done.

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Speaker 16: Mark Daniels, followed by Kieren Gredient, Good morning Bill.

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Speaker 20: In the event you are no longer the coach of

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Speaker 20: the Patriots, would you be interested in coaching for another team?

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Speaker 11: In one Yeah, I'm not gonna get in a lot

1315
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 11: of hypothetical situations.

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00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 16: And Greg followed by Ben Voln, Good morning Bill.

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00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 3: Would it surprise you in any way if Robert Kraft

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00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 3: decided that moving on from you would be best for

1319
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 3: the football team.

1320
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm gonna focus on what I am going to

1321
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 15: control and focus on, and that's, you know, my work

1322
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 15: at the Ethic and my effort to do what I

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00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 15: can to help the Patriots organization. Which I'm heavily invested in.

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Speaker 13: Thank you bet again in these last four questions, and

1325
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 13: give everybody a chance to ask one. So it's Ben

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Speaker 13: Bollen Still Perry.

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Speaker 5: Morning Bell.

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Speaker 16: Your handling of mac Jones this year was pretty unusual.

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Speaker 18: He got benched four times and still started the next

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Speaker 18: week three of them, and then yesterday he was made

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Speaker 18: the third string quarter.

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Speaker 16: I was wondering if you could explain just why the

1333
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 16: handling of mac Jones this year? Why was he getting

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01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 16: his job back, the starting job back so many times?

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Speaker 16: Then why was he made third string yesterday?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I just look, we've talked about it, but I

1338
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Speaker 15: wouldn't characterize it anywhere close to the way you have.

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Speaker 11: Uh, we've covered that before, so we'll deal with everything

1340
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Speaker 11: else going forward.

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Speaker 16: Harry, followed by Duke christ Grew. So are you there?

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Speaker 16: I'm back to field, Dukes to Grin, followed by Michael Brewley.

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Speaker 16: Good morning Bell.

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Speaker 13: Just to follow up on that personnel question, if Robert

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 13: came to you and said I just want you to

1346
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 13: coach the football team, would you.

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Speaker 16: Be okay with that?

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01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I just answered question, dude.

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Speaker 16: You know, Michael Hurley, and then give Phil Perry another chance. Yeah, Bill,

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Speaker 16: I know you're something similar. But when you go back

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Speaker 16: to April May June, heading toward cham camp, did you.

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Speaker 19: Think this team, as constructed with the roster and the

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01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 19: coaching staff, was built to contend for a playoff spot

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Speaker 19: and maybe a championship.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Well, the moves that we made, you know, given the

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Speaker 15: options that we had, felt like we do it was

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Speaker 15: best for the football team each time. Obviously the results

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Speaker 15: aren't aren't good. Some of those things were I think positive.

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Speaker 15: Some of them didn't work out as well as we

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Speaker 15: hope they would know, And there are other circumstances and

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Speaker 15: in some of the other decisions as well.

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Speaker 11: So we'll go back and look at all of them and.

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Speaker 15: You know, and again look forward to you know, working

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01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 15: towards a you know, solutions and things that don't prove

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Speaker 15: our team.

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Speaker 16: Bill Perry, check your audio again.

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Speaker 11: If you can hear me.

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Speaker 20: Now, Bill, come on, nicholest we've got yet.

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Speaker 11: Well, I just wanted to clarify something with you.

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Speaker 20: There's been a lot of reporting that that you and

1373
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 20: Robert have not met during the course of the season.

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Speaker 16: Is that true?

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Speaker 20: Is it just that you haven't met to talk about

1376
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 20: your future? How frequently Aret. Have you guys been in

1377
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 20: communication over the course of this season. We've met there

1378
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 20: in the season, and have they given the public nature

1379
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Speaker 20: of the discussion around the team and you specifically.

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Speaker 11: So the follow up today, don't understand what's a answity question.

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Speaker 20: I'm just wondering if he's given you any indications about

1382
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Speaker 20: your future because there's been so much discussion about it.

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Speaker 11: Bill, Yeah, I'd answered that question three times.

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Speaker 16: Still, thanks everyone.

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01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 21: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, replacements

1386
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 21: were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1387
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 21: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx Where

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Speaker 21: now it's next for residential delivery.

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Speaker 5: Only and now great moments in.

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Speaker 11: History.

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Speaker 1: Remember one game, our other editor, Brian Morey was out

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01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: for some reason or something. Paul had to do like

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Speaker 1: everything himself.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he was out.

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Speaker 1: He was writing a book, and uh, you know, I

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01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: was as the Norse as the night progressed, like a

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01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: different article of clothing would come off by the end

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Speaker 1: of the night is undershirt. I swear to god, he's sweating,

1399
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Speaker 1: just trying to get everything done. It was like, thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 5: Brian exaggerates a lot of things about me, he is

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01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 5: not exaggerated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 5: That's another great moment from.

1405
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: There's no time like playoff season to score big on

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Speaker 1: the latest Recliners Entertainment Centers and sofas from Bob's Revamp

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Speaker 1: you need to sit back, relax and snack your way

1409
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: through the Super Bowl. Make every Sunday a Super Sunday

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Speaker 1: with Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of the

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots. All Right, eight five five Pats five

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Speaker 1: hundred is the ACE ticket hotline. Web radio at Patriots

1413
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: dot com is the email address. We did have breaking

1414
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: news during the show. It was Mike Frable being fired

1415
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: from the Tennessee Titans, and of course, like any other

1416
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: free agent that comes in the market, Patriots fans immediately

1417
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: say Patriot, Yeah, he's gonna be on this team.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious what the overall centimon is from the fan base,

1419
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: especially those who maybe you know, weren't as invested in

1420
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 2: A one oh three, oh four those early years when

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01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: really Mike Frabele made his You know, we have a

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01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 2: special place for him, But I wonder how a lot

1423
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 2: of the twenty tens fans feel like that.

1424
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 5: All Patriots fans have been on board since Week three

1425
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 5: of two thousand and one. Oh right, Like that's.

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Speaker 9: Well, but speaking of you know truthfully though, because I

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01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 9: won't tell you how old I was when they won

1428
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 9: back then, but I was not very old, right, So, like,

1429
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 9: really I identify with the twenty tens teams, you know, Gronkowski, Edelman.

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Speaker 9: Obviously Brady was bold, but I Vrabel. To me, it

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01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 9: was all about leadership, right, Like I didn't really know

1432
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 9: enough about football to know like what he was good

1433
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 9: at it, football wise, but he was always one of

1434
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 9: those like no nonsense, like locker room police like type

1435
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 9: of guys that, like you just felt like the locker

1436
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 9: room was gonna never be out of hand with guys

1437
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 9: like Rabel and guys like McGuinness and guys like Harrison,

1438
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 9: like Bruski, you know, in that locker room. And I

1439
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 9: feel like that that's how he kind of coaches too,

1440
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 9: where even if they're not a very good team like

1441
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 9: this year, at least they they they're doing the right

1442
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 9: things as an organization with him.

1443
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's get to the phones, get every

1444
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: buddy involved here. Patty's an Agua. What's up, Patty, Guys, I'll.

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Speaker 22: Make it quick because I know my ban's loud, fred

1446
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 22: real quickly. I already didn't want to honor that lifetime

1447
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 22: contract that a girl that says the music you have

1448
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 22: to offer a lifetime contract. Yeah, And just going to

1449
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 22: what Phil said yesterday in his press conference, I felt

1450
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 22: like he was controlled a little bit, but just kind

1451
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 22: of like what Paully brought up, Like I feel like

1452
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 22: he fired some preemptive tricks across the media at craft

1453
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 22: like I'm under contract and like maybe I'm breathing too

1454
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 22: much into things. But when he says collectively to me,

1455
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 22: I think that's why you're seeing some of these retreats,

1456
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 22: like McDaniels should have Cat Gioli's name pop up, like,

1457
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 22: you know what, I'll agree to give up some power,

1458
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 22: but it's gonna be on my terms. And at this

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Speaker 22: point still, I think the best position is just to

1460
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 22: move on. And that's all I got. I'll listen to

1461
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Speaker 22: the rest of the show off here.

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Speaker 1: I think, all right, thanks, Patty. Yeah, I mean there's

1463
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: no doubt that what he said was calculate.

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Speaker 2: Everybody heard the I'm under contract line. I mean that

1465
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: was I think the siren to everyone, I mean, anything

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Speaker 2: you turned on the radio yesterday, that's what they were

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01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: talking about. It was, you know, certainly by design. I

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Speaker 2: mean it's it's yeah, absolutely it was.

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Speaker 5: It was by design.

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Speaker 9: But I also thought that it did address the elephant

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Speaker 9: in the room right off the top, which is that

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Speaker 9: there is a question of whether or not he's going

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Speaker 9: to be the head coach here next year.

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Speaker 5: Like last year.

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Speaker 9: He's not talking about those types of things because there's

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Speaker 9: no doubt that he's going to be the head coach,

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Speaker 9: right And I thought after the game on Sunday, even

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Speaker 9: when he said, you know, as for the future, Robert

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Speaker 9: and I will will have will meet like we always do,

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Speaker 9: and YadA, YadA, YadA, he didn't say that at the

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Speaker 9: end of press year press conference last year or two

1482
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Speaker 9: years ago, right, Like, it's.

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Speaker 5: Just to add a little context that I don't know

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Speaker 5: what the timing was exactly, but there's actually a possibility

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Speaker 5: that when he had the season ended last year that

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Speaker 5: he wasn't under contract. Yeah, I mean, based on some

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Speaker 5: of these reports when they added a year, like I

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Speaker 5: don't know if he was already under contract orf it

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01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 5: was a two year extension who knows. I was probably

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Speaker 5: already under contract and they added a year to that, right,

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Speaker 5: but it's kind of unclear, like because the original Rapperport

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Speaker 5: multiple was was multiple years, right, right.

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Speaker 2: That's I think the first time I ever heard the

1494
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Speaker 2: word contract come out of his mouth. That was not

1495
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Speaker 2: going to talk about my contract like that, and he

1496
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Speaker 2: you know, volunteered it like you've never heard him.

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Speaker 9: It was him acknowledging his mortality, that like he could

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Speaker 9: that he could be fired, like he couldn't, he might

1499
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Speaker 9: not be here. And I thought that that the GM

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Speaker 9: comment I kind of agree with with with Paul, that's

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Speaker 9: that's not exactly what he said, but that those comments,

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Speaker 9: I felt like he just kind of he.

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Speaker 5: Was letting you know, I'm under contract.

1504
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Speaker 9: I'm going to do what I always do until the

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Speaker 9: key card doesn't work anymore.

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Speaker 17: Right.

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Speaker 5: He's he's acknowledging that there's a chance that they're going

1508
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 5: to tap him on the shoulder and say, Okay, you

1509
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Speaker 5: don't need to be watching that film with a college

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01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 5: kid anymore. Right.

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Speaker 1: The other thing he said that I thought was interesting,

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, we'll have a series of meetings.

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Speaker 1: And the way I took that is whatever they're doing.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be settled in one meeting. This

1515
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Speaker 1: is going to be complicated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've but now do.

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Speaker 4: Is today uncomplicated.

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Speaker 1: For for Craft? Maybe?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

1520
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Speaker 5: Like Rabel?

1521
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that he's you know, I mean I would

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Speaker 1: hope not.

1523
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 5: I would hope the Rabel thing has nothing to do

1524
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 5: with it. Like you're not thinking he's gonna like he's

1525
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 5: now he's going to fire him, but he wasn't going

1526
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 5: like I would hope that wouldn't be the case. Like

1527
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 5: I said, I would rather just just keep Bill.

1528
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1529
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 9: I feel like that the series of meetings are one

1530
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 9: or two things. Either they're mapping out how Bill can stay,

1531
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 9: but we can still have major changes to the organization

1532
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 9: with Bill because there has to be changes, right, Or

1533
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 9: they're mapping out the exit strategy of how we're going

1534
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 9: to present this to the public that you're leaving, And.

1535
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,560
Speaker 1: Either way can be complicated.

1536
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 5: Right.

1537
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Let's go to Manny in New Bedford. What's up, Manny?

1538
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 23: Hey, what's going on?

1539
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 12: Guys?

1540
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 7: A few quick things.

1541
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 23: One, I'm not really still on uh still.

1542
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 24: Leaving this year.

1543
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 23: I feel like Craft isn't really trying to start all

1544
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 23: over for the second time again. And number two, how

1545
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 23: would you guys feel if Nick Caste was still around

1546
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 23: and he was able to kind of make that final

1547
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 23: say on like player personnel, do you feel like Patriots

1548
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 23: would be kind of like a playoff.

1549
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 24: The tender team.

1550
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So I think what he's saying is if Nick

1551
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: had final say, would the team be better?

1552
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 9: I think Nick drafted Nikhil Harry. So I don't know,

1553
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 9: but just to this was like mini news. So I

1554
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 9: didn't really not frable big. But he went on a

1555
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 9: radio show in Houston and like went like scorched earth

1556
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 9: on the report that he would come back to New England.

1557
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 9: So I don't think Nick Ario is not an option.

1558
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 5: I don't.

1559
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: It's either why would he leave? But that's don't is

1560
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: that what he's saying.

1561
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 5: I'm just saying if he was still here, if he

1562
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 5: was drafting, I still think I credit and blame Bill

1563
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 5: for all of these moves. Yeah, the ones that the

1564
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 5: ones that work, I credit Bill. The ones that don't,

1565
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 5: I blame Bill. I don't pick and choose.

1566
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 2: It's the best way to operate. But I you know,

1567
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 2: but I can't help but think, you know, how much

1568
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: does Nick Cassario have how much does Matt grow have

1569
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: Like how much are they setting the table for what

1570
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 2: Bill picks?

1571
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: You know, like, no question, we blame Bill, like totally point.

1572
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 5: I think Cassio probably had a lot to do with Harry, but.

1573
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: They're you know, but it's hard to parse out from

1574
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: the outside. But you know, you don't really blame Cassario

1575
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 2: and say I don't want him back because of that

1576
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: because it probably was filtered through Bill as well.

1577
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 5: You know, I do think he was part of an

1578
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 5: uninspired series of drafts.

1579
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: Same with the last few.

1580
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 1: I know, it's it's you know, further back in terms

1581
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: of you know, the draft history of Belichick, but the

1582
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: whole Rutgers era. I sincerely doubt these these scouts lined

1583
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: up these Rutgers players and said, Bill, you need to

1584
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: draft these guys. Right, it was all Bills let down

1585
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: here Rutgers.

1586
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 9: Well, I you know, they were always the way I

1587
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 9: feel like it were with the draft with the with

1588
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 9: the front office is like I kind of imagine like

1589
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 9: Douce and I make our big boards and then you

1590
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 9: hand the big boards to Bill and then Bill is

1591
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 9: like I want that guy, and then we're like like

1592
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 9: I kind of like this guy better, and He's like, well,

1593
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 9: I watched all fifty of the guys you told me

1594
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 9: to watch, and I like this guy the best, and

1595
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 9: that's the guy we're taking.

1596
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like that, while like AJ Brown was on

1597
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 2: the list, I mean example, but you know what I mean,

1598
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: like somebody got left off, right.

1599
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 9: But like in twenty nineteen, I had Nikill Harry on

1600
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 9: my big board. I would have taken AJ Brown over

1601
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 9: nik Kill Harry, but I acknowledged the fact that nik

1602
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 9: Kill Harry was a first you know, mid first second

1603
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 9: round guy that was in the that was you know,

1604
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 9: a fit and all that kind of stuff. And they

1605
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 9: I watched it and said, you know, I kind of

1606
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 9: like AJ Brown a little bit better, Deebo Samuel a

1607
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 9: little bit better. And they watched it and said that

1608
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 9: they liked ni Kill Harry and like, at the time,

1609
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 9: you can't kill him for it because they were all

1610
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 9: kind of clustered in that one little area. But now

1611
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 9: in hindsight, it's like, oh, wow, that was a horrible pickky.

1612
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 4: But how do you explain cold strange?

1613
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, I'll give you like an

1614
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 5: honest assessment. I didn't. I didn't I didn't hate the

1615
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 5: pick I didn't hate the Harry pick when they made it.

1616
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 5: I didn't hate it.

1617
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: No, nobody hated it.

1618
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 5: But and that's where he was projected to go.

1619
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of people said that then he's

1620
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: got separation problems, and that was oh yeah.

1621
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 5: I mean, there would have been other guys I would

1622
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 5: have chosen, But I didn't hate the pick because that's

1623
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 5: where everybody thought he was going to go. But I

1624
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,799
Speaker 5: think late first, early second, I think.

1625
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,759
Speaker 1: The problem with Bill is that the scouts will say, Okay,

1626
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: here are are six tackles, are six tight ends that

1627
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: we think are good, and these are the ones you

1628
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: should look at Bill, And so he sits down and

1629
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: looks at it, but he doesn't stop at like, oh,

1630
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: this guy's the best. It's they're all about the same.

1631
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: Oh but this guy comes from a program whose coach

1632
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: I like will take him absolutely.

1633
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 5: See, but I'll tell you what I'll do.

1634
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: The scouts are like pulling the hair out.

1635
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what.

1636
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: I'll take rank these guys for you when you're taking

1637
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: the sixth rank guy instead of the first round. So

1638
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, they're close enough.

1639
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 5: The other thing I think that that he does in

1640
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 5: particular and believes strongly, and he's had some success with it,

1641
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 5: is that they'll take that group and he'll and all

1642
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 5: of a sudden the pick will come up in all

1643
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 5: six of them be available. He won't take any of them.

1644
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 5: I'll trade down because now he says, I can get

1645
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 5: the same guy, they're all the same. Why should I

1646
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 5: take him at fifty when I can get him at

1647
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 5: seventy and one of those six will still be available

1648
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 5: in seventy And I just think that's the wrong way

1649
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 5: to go.

1650
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: Well, I don't completely disagree with that, if it's true,

1651
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: but I think the scouts pull their hair out because

1652
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: they don't think that that's no right.

1653
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 5: I know Bill thinks it's true. I know, but recent

1654
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 5: not not that recent anymore. Mike Easy ten years will

1655
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 5: tell you that he hasn't really been right with that.

1656
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 5: I know that strategy, but.

1657
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: I think overall, that strategy, to me makes sense. If

1658
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: you've got a group of guys that you all think

1659
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: are the same, you can get any one of them later,

1660
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: it makes sense to pick up more.

1661
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 5: But I think most people would tell you they're never

1662
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 5: the same. Somebody is your favorite, someone's better, someone's better

1663
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 5: than the others.

1664
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 9: Someone is a better and the others. But I think

1665
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 9: that their their issue also too, is just they've drafted

1666
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 9: more on need recently at the top of the draft

1667
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 9: than I think they. I feel like they used to

1668
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 9: like immediate, what's our biggest need on the depth chart? Yeah,

1669
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 9: and I had to go back to the Cold Strange thing.

1670
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 9: In twenty twenty two. They felt like guard was the

1671
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 9: biggest need on the depth chart, like if we had

1672
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 9: to play a game tomorrow, our biggest hole on this

1673
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 9: roster is guard. And they either Bill liked Cole Strange

1674
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 9: the best, or they had, you know, a couple of

1675
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 9: guards had already come off the board, you know, Zion Johnson,

1676
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 9: some other players had already come off the board. So

1677
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 9: maybe they had Cold Strange as like the third or

1678
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 9: fourth best guard in the draft, and even though they

1679
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 9: might have had a second round grade on him, they

1680
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 9: draft either go.

1681
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:48,839
Speaker 2: To school, Yeah, Tennessee, Tennessee.

1682
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 9: There's not a lot of there's not a lot of

1683
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 9: Bill ties that you teach out, but tiessee, just because

1684
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 9: the whole state.

1685
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: I'll bet you, I'll bet you he met the head coach.

1686
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 5: Oh god, I'll bet he's met a lot of head coaches.

1687
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 5: Doesn't draft guys from every one of them.

1688
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: He loves Tennessee.

1689
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 5: Where's the where's the Arkansas High School guy nowadays?

1690
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: Oh?

1691
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, no place guy doesn't. He loves that guy.

1692
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 7: Right.

1693
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 9: To get back to Frable, A lot of people are

1694
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 9: sharing the quotes from his Hall of Fame Patriots Hall

1695
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 9: of Fame ceremony, and you do wonder, you know, with

1696
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 9: this statement from the Titans about collaborative and all this stuff,

1697
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 9: like him coming here sitting in the owner's box with

1698
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 9: Robert Kraft and then gushing about the Patriots organization and

1699
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 9: saying that it's not like this everywhere else, Like those

1700
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 9: types of shots that he was taking at the Titans,

1701
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 9: I feel like might have set the stage for.

1702
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 5: For all of this.

1703
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: Especially the only other places you know is Ohio State

1704
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: in Tennesseeans Houston and Houston, Right you're at Yeah, so uh,

1705
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: let's go to Melvin and Tennessee. What's up Melvin? Do

1706
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: you know Bill Belich?

1707
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 24: Bill?

1708
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 9: Talk to you.

1709
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 7: I don't.

1710
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 5: Give a piece of your mind, sweet kid, you could

1711
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 5: draft better.

1712
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 7: I got a quick I'm gonna change the subject for

1713
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 7: a second. I was wanting to know what which one

1714
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 7: of the number one Seeds in the playoffs, So you

1715
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 7: feel like has more I guess more pressure on him.

1716
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 7: Would you feel like the Ravens have more with the

1717
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 7: you know, m vps and all the pressure come with

1718
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 7: Lamar in the most recent game. But the forty nine

1719
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 7: ers have been knocking at the door for a while.

1720
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 5: So I failed San Francisco, Sancisco.

1721
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 9: I think there's a lot of individual pressure on Lamar Jackson.

1722
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 9: But like Harbaugh's already made man, He's already won a

1723
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 9: super Bowl. Like I don't know if there's necessarily pressure

1724
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 9: on the organization, but Labar has a ton of pressure

1725
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 9: to succeed in the playoffs. He hasn't had a playoff run.

1726
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 9: He's one playoff game in his career and it was

1727
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 9: against a like a bad was the Titans, might have

1728
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 9: been the Titans. It was against a bad team that Do.

1729
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: You feel brock Purty has any pressure that he puts

1730
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: on himself to prove that I can do this in

1731
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: the biggest stage.

1732
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think both. I think both of the one seeds,

1733
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 5: by the way an offensive explosion without him last week.

1734
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 5: I think both one seeds have a lot of pressure.

1735
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 5: I agree with with both Melvin and Evan. I just

1736
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 5: feel like at Shanahan has been like considered the wonder

1737
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 5: can felt like how long? Yeah, I mean how long

1738
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 5: without winning anything? Right, everybody says they have the model franchise,

1739
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 5: they have all the talent in the world, they have

1740
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,560
Speaker 5: all the elements in place, and on top of all that,

1741
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 5: they have this just outside the box, wonderful thinker who's

1742
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 5: never won anything.

1743
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 9: I think there's more pressure. I agree, especially I mean

1744
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 9: hits that pass in the super Bowl, right.

1745
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: At least the forty nine ers if they come up

1746
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: short of the super Bowl, and you know, if fail,

1747
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: you should be you know, they have to at least

1748
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl.

1749
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 5: I just remember with.

1750
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 2: Those Patriots teams, like you have to make the most

1751
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 2: of when you have this talent, much talent together in

1752
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 2: one place, and you know, if you don't win the

1753
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 2: super Bowl, everyone's gonna forget about you. And I mean,

1754
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 2: I don't have it at a quarterback rubber staff everything

1755
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 2: Paul said.

1756
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 5: But you know, a lot of pressure.

1757
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 2: It's just for the organization, like you know, it's it's

1758
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 2: it's you know, next year you might have Christian McCaffrey's

1759
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 2: I mean that he's free agent anyways, or maybe not

1760
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 2: for a couple years, but somebody a couple of those guys.

1761
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 5: But they're gonna eventually they're gonna lose some guys because

1762
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 5: they're just gonna want.

1763
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 9: To get They'll lose some guys on the edges, right,

1764
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 9: Like I'm sure they'll be able to retain all the

1765
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 9: stars if they pay for it, but it's gonna be

1766
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 9: you know, the the whoever's the Jilani Tavai of the

1767
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 9: forty nine ers, like those types of players has.

1768
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 5: Million dollar man says, everybody's got a price, Like you

1769
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 5: can't just pay every I mean, you can fit them

1770
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 5: all in if you want, right, but you can't.

1771
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 9: Just like everybody's got a budget like this, it's just

1772
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 9: Drake green Law become a guy that you know, goes

1773
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 9: down somewhere something.

1774
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 5: They're gonna lose pieces. And I do think that Baltimore

1775
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 5: has a lot of pressure.

1776
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 11: They do.

1777
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 5: Like I think the Lamar thing is real and Harbor

1778
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 5: is real. Like Harbaugh like that was twenty twelve. It's

1779
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 5: a long time ago. What that he won?

1780
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:58,879
Speaker 1: Todd's in North Carolina.

1781
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 10: Up Todd, Hey, guys, he'll do us the solid I

1782
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 10: read Evans article and I was watching the play on

1783
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 10: the field for the last game, and it just looked

1784
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 10: like the defense was kind of vanilla. It didn't look

1785
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 10: like it did too much, and the offense was kind

1786
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 10: of the same way. It looked like they were just

1787
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 10: showing up, punching the cards. And you know, a couple

1788
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 10: of guys may have been trying. But even you guys

1789
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 10: said by halftime you couldn't pick out anybody for your

1790
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 10: good list for the postgame show. So did maybe they

1791
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 10: just pulled that.

1792
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 5: I couldn't pick out anybody from my bad list either.

1793
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard did you hear the

1794
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: beginning of the show? Todd for me? Yeah? Did you

1795
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: hear the beginning of the show?

1796
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 10: Unfortunately, no, I was cueued up yeah, so fun because

1797
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 10: of early dismissal, So I apologize.

1798
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: Now. Evan did address it, and he agrees with you.

1799
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: He thought that the defense in particular.

1800
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, not offense yeah.

1801
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 1: Times Yeah, looked looked like they were a little bit

1802
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: too vanilla for his liking, And I like, yeah.

1803
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 10: My other question is, what about the harborball with Michigan?

1804
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 24: Would you touch him or is there just too much

1805
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 24: baggage with No?

1806
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 5: I would but he's not coming here.

1807
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1808
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 9: I think the problem with uh with Harbaugh that I

1809
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 9: find interesting for the Patriots is if he were to

1810
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 9: come here, the amount of people that he would want

1811
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 9: to hire, like like you know, the college teams don't

1812
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,799
Speaker 9: run like NFL teams. Like college teams, their coaching staffs

1813
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 9: are like fifty people, right, and it's it would be

1814
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 9: so different from what it is now where Bill has

1815
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 9: like the smallest coaching staff in the NFL and the

1816
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 9: smallest front office in the NFL. It would be a

1817
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 9: completely different operation totally. And is that something that that

1818
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 9: they would really want to do?

1819
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 5: I would do it in a plank. I don't think

1820
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 5: he'd have any interesting coming here, but I do think

1821
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 5: that I do think the Chargers and Raiders. I would

1822
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 5: keep an eye on those two.

1823
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 2: Does his offense concern you?

1824
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 5: Like fables who Harbaugh? Harbaugh has been great with a

1825
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 5: whole bunch of different offers.

1826
01:21:58,600 --> 01:21:59,560
Speaker 1: I think he's innovative.

1827
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 5: He's had a whole bunch of different kinds offenses. Right

1828
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 5: now at Michigan. He runs a ground oriented attack. That's

1829
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 5: not what he ran in San Francisco. It's not when

1830
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 5: he ran in Stanford, right.

1831
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: He Marty and Reno writes in at web radio at

1832
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: Patris dot com. Any chance of you guys setting up

1833
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: a webcam so Patriots fans can see the white smoke

1834
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: from the top of the stadium lighthouse tower when the

1835
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: Crafts make a decision on built Brian heinswek one of

1836
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: those jokes.

1837
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,560
Speaker 9: That's pretty We've been making that joke, so he stole it.

1838
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 5: Oh diddio, I'm just kidding.

1839
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 9: It's been a group within.

1840
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: Also, was I the only one surprised that the refs

1841
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: didn't call adult Protective Services on the Michigan defense for

1842
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,919
Speaker 1: the abuse and hits they dished out on the elderly

1843
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: Penix last night.

1844
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 2: Those guys are tough and I like them.

1845
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a tough tough night for Pennix.

1846
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 9: Michigan defensive coaching staff too. So that the Ravens defensive

1847
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 9: coordinator MacDonald was their their defensive coordinator before and then

1848
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 9: he went to the NFL. Now he's probably if you

1849
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 9: head coach in the NFL, and now their current defensive

1850
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 9: coordinator is getting talked about as a head coaching candidate. Also,

1851
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 9: and my guy, but they run a really mass like

1852
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 9: really really modern exotic pressure system.

1853
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 5: You gotta have smart guys like my ever defensive backs.

1854
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: Last night play.

1855
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 5: Unbelievable tackle on that third down two earlier in the game.

1856
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: I saw that one Solomon in the Bay Area. To

1857
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 1: say it was disappointing season is an understatement. If you

1858
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: told me this team would not make the playoffs, I

1859
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 1: would believe it five months ago. But if you told

1860
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: me this team would only win four games, I would

1861
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: have fallen out of my chair. I appreciate what Bill

1862
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: has done for the team. Six super Bowls would not

1863
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 1: have happened without him, but his personnel decisions have been disastrous.

1864
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: My feeling on the status of Bill is the longer

1865
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: we do not hear from the organization and party ways,

1866
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: the more likely he's going to be the Patriots head

1867
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: coach next season. And when I read the McDaniels rumor,

1868
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: I just laughed out loud.

1869
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, isn't that kind of like obviously,

1870
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 5: if they don't announce that he's not coming back, the chances.

1871
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 2: He's gonna keep staying until they announce it.

1872
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 5: Right, the longer it he's still here, he's still here.

1873
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 1: Shoddy from Houston. Why is this organization run like a

1874
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: top secret federal agency. No one ever knows anything, and

1875
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: everything is always mysterious. Season is over and other teams

1876
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: are already setting up interviews with gms and head coaches,

1877
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: while we have no clue what the next step will be.

1878
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: I understand Bill's up obsession with the art of war

1879
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: and books about war, but can we just be a

1880
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 1: normal sporting franchise for one week?

1881
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 9: Well, to be fair, there are these other teams, Like

1882
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 9: firing Arthur Smith is not the same as firing Bill

1883
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 9: Belichick right like so to in terms of why because

1884
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 9: it just isn't But why because he's the greatest coach

1885
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 9: of all time?

1886
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 2: I know.

1887
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 5: But if you're going to fire him, just fire him,

1888
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 5: like why? Like, I don't understand it, SA if you

1889
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 5: want to keep them, then it's just that you're keeping them,

1890
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 5: Like I get it. It's it's way more complicated than that.

1891
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 5: I don't think it should.

1892
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 2: I think we're day two.

1893
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 5: I think we complicate things, that's what we do.

1894
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 9: I don't know. I feel I understand that it's like

1895
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 9: the optics and in the fact that it has to

1896
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 9: be at least handled correctly, like fire, I understand stuff

1897
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 9: should have been put in place, like whatever your decision

1898
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 9: should have been. Maybe but maybe Bill said I want

1899
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 9: to finish out coaching the team, and like, I'm not

1900
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 9: going to get into this right now, I don't know, Like, Okay,

1901
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 9: if there's a like we woke up at eight am

1902
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 9: on Monday morning and the Falcons had announced that they've

1903
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 9: fired Arthur Smith.

1904
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 5: I understand why the Patriots didn't do that.

1905
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 9: For the greatest coach of all time that won six

1906
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 9: Super Bowls for the organization.

1907
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 5: I can understand if they're keeping him. I understand it

1908
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 5: both ways, But I don't understand why you can't just

1909
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 5: make an announcement at eight o'clock on Monday morning it.

1910
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,719
Speaker 4: Was respectful to keep him the entire season long, because honestly,

1911
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 4: after the SATs game or even after Germany, most coaches

1912
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 4: would have been fired with the whole situation.

1913
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 5: That was happening.

1914
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 4: And so for me, it's like you had all season

1915
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 4: long to prepare this like cute letter to the fans,

1916
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,719
Speaker 4: to the to the whole statement you had all season long.

1917
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 5: Term, I would argue, if you want to keep them,

1918
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 5: like I'm not going to tell you wrong, Like, yeah,

1919
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 5: I just don't think it's that complicated, Like you've had

1920
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 5: all this time to sort of decide which way you

1921
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 5: want to go, and that just like which way you decided, the.

1922
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 9: Whole football operations is him, like the scouting staff, the

1923
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:27,560
Speaker 9: personnel guys, the coaching staff, this like so Birge like

1924
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 9: you like there's like a million people that are affected

1925
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 9: by this.

1926
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 5: I like, none of that has changed since you made

1927
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 5: your decision.

1928
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 9: I'm just saying that the infrastructure, like laying an infrastructure

1929
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 9: of a football operations for twenty four years, is a

1930
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 9: lot different than the falcons for three with Arthur Smith.

1931
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: It's a lot to unrap.

1932
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 5: That's why it didn't happen last year. I think last

1933
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 5: year that's why you sent a letter to season ticket

1934
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 5: holders instead of making a drastic move.

1935
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 9: I think they didn't happen last year because they gave

1936
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 9: him a mull again. They said, all right, you got

1937
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 9: one year, yep, and now you've had one year. I

1938
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 9: do not disagree that decision. I just understand why you

1939
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 9: have to handle it differently well.

1940
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: And I also think Robert Kraft worries about.

1941
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 5: P R right, and I don't. I think that you

1942
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 5: should worry just about what you think is right and

1943
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 5: do the best you can. No one's perfect. None, none

1944
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 5: of us has ever gone through life without making mistakes,

1945
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 5: and no one's expecting Robert Kraft to be any more

1946
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 5: perfect than anybody else.

1947
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: But you don't want to be cold with this guy.

1948
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 5: But it's not cold, Fred. I think it's actually if

1949
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 5: if you in fact move on, isn't it better for

1950
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 5: him to just like no, like, that's not I don't

1951
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:36,799
Speaker 5: think that's cold at all.

1952
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 4: And I think it's better for like his support staff,

1953
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 4: who is senior in limbo, like, okay, should I be

1954
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 4: selling house.

1955
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 9: There's a lot of people like involved, and they all

1956
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 9: deserve to know as quickly as they can then, which

1957
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 9: is why I think the Raiders allowed back to that

1958
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 9: common Brisillo thing.

1959
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 5: They allowed him to interview with another job, even though

1960
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 5: it's a lateral move. He's the offensive the offensive line

1961
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 5: coach for the Raiders, and they're allowing them to interview

1962
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 5: for the Giants for the same position because there's uncertainty

1963
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 5: as to what's going to happen with the Raiders.

1964
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 9: I just think that I said earlier that it's one

1965
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 9: of two things. Either they're trying to hash out and

1966
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 9: exit strategy, or they're trying to hash out how they

1967
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 9: can keep bill and make changes. And that's why I

1968
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 9: wonder if it's the keep bill and make changes, is

1969
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,959
Speaker 9: we're still trying to figure out is that even feasible,

1970
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 9: Like how would that look? What would be bills pitch,

1971
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 9: what would be ownership's pitch? And is there a middle

1972
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 9: ground there that we actually think could work that in

1973
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 9: that I don't think would have been hashed out when

1974
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 9: they're game planning for the Bills, Like I just don't

1975
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 9: like whether they needed to win the game or not.

1976
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 9: Is besides the point, Like that's deep, Like you can't

1977
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 9: just like and I.

1978
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 5: Would just counter with if he didn't want to talk

1979
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 5: about this because he was game planning with the Bills,

1980
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 5: then well I tried Bill, I tried. So Like again,

1981
01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 5: eight Monday comes around, I land.

1982
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 2: More on the side of the complication of whatever it

1983
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 2: will be, rather than like a respect factor of I mean,

1984
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 2: I hear like as far as the respect I like,

1985
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: I hear I find it respectful in a way to say, look,

1986
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 2: it's over, We're not going to drag you through the mud.

1987
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 2: But I just I think when we find out what

1988
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 2: is happening either way, it might be a little bit

1989
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 2: more clear, while there were a lot of moving pieces

1990
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 2: for them to execute, whether he's staying, whether he's going,

1991
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 2: and that's why. But it's Tuesday.

1992
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I'm not out of my mind.

1993
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 2: No, I mean, you know, if we get to Friday

1994
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: and yeah, we're like, we don't know.

1995
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 9: Paul Thursday with an answer that's probably accurate.

1996
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if the week went by and there

1997
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 5: was nothing, I think I would probably feel differently and

1998
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 5: just to re up what Mike just like I I

1999
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 5: know it probably doesn't sound it, but I have the

2000
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 5: utmost amount of respect for Bill Belichick the coach. I

2001
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 5: really do. I know sometimes it probably doesn't sound that

2002
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 5: way because I questioned some things that he does and

2003
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 5: who am I to to do that? And I get that,

2004
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 5: but I don't think it. You'd be hard press to

2005
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 5: find anybody that thinks more of him as a coach

2006
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 5: than I do. And I mean that like, I think

2007
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 5: he's a great coach, not overrated, not just good. He

2008
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 5: was a great coach for this team for twenty four years.

2009
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: John in California, I was firmly in the Bill's gotta go,

2010
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: Let's tank school. But yesterday Bill changed everything by doing

2011
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: what the entire PU team and everyone else said would

2012
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: never happen. He said he'll accept a different role to

2013
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: stay with the team. That's the game changer, and maybe

2014
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: it works. We all agree Bill is a great coach,

2015
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: terrible GM, girod Mayo has spearheaded a great defense. Peoli

2016
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 1: and McDaniels are circling. We have the number three draft

2017
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: pick for our franchise quarterbacks. So now there is an

2018
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 1: everyone wins redemption story option on the table. Bill's coach,

2019
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: Scott Peolia's GM, Josh as oc Gerada's DC crafts miraculously

2020
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: drawing on the old as they changed to the new,

2021
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: and the Patriots instant contenders against the fading AFC East.

2022
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: I can't believe him saying this, but I'm in.

2023
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 5: Fading AFC East.

2024
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 9: Pretty good football game on Sunday night between.

2025
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 5: The fading teams. Can I can I just ask you know,

2026
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 5: I'll just repeat that Bill did not say what you said.

2027
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 5: That He said he said he'd be open to uh

2028
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 5: doing what's in the best interest of the team. He

2029
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 5: did not say he would be willing to give up

2030
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 5: his personnel powers. Well, I'm also not interested in that.

2031
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 2: That's someone's music wait, am I hearing someone's music playing.

2032
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 1: Coming coming to us from the world wide?

2033
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 4: What is it?

2034
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 1: W w W? What does that stand for? Entertainment? Is

2035
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: Megan Morand? What's up? Megan God?

2036
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 22: Hello?

2037
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 24: You guys? Is anything going on this week? Tell us quiet?

2038
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 6: Post season week in Foxborough?

2039
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, what you know what spurred

2040
01:31:58,800 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 1: you to call today?

2041
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 25: I mean, there's like nothing going on Patriots, So I

2042
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 25: figured you guys just needed someone to call.

2043
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 9: In and things up.

2044
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you missed a good season, Meg, No, this

2045
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 2: is when the season starts.

2046
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: Dude.

2047
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 24: I am locked in on what's going on right now.

2048
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 6: I set an alarm yesterday to watch Belichick's pressior.

2049
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: So let me ask you Ques wrong. In the wrestling world,

2050
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 1: is a thing called work, you know, being worked? Are

2051
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: we being worked here? Or is this a done deal?

2052
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: What do you think?

2053
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 9: I don't know.

2054
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 25: I mean sometimes I always think when it comes to

2055
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 25: the Patriots, I'm like, is this the work?

2056
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:36,799
Speaker 6: Are they setting us up for something?

2057
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 14: Right?

2058
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 25: I feel like Bill would be an amazing heel, don't you,

2059
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 25: And I kind of feel like he's always working us.

2060
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's in the business.

2061
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So how's it going over there?

2062
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 6: It's going great. I just did a show right now,

2063
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 6: and then I have like an hour before a production meeting.

2064
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 25: So I was tuning in to you guys because obviously

2065
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:01,839
Speaker 25: we all want to know what's going to happen by Friday,

2066
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 25: is still staying?

2067
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 23: Is going?

2068
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 24: Who's going to be the next coach?

2069
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 6: Brabel is just fired?

2070
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 25: I just feel like it's too obvious if we go Rabel, right,

2071
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 25: we too obvious Rabel or Mayo? And then I'm like,

2072
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 25: am I seriously really believing right now that Bill.

2073
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 6: Belichick's going to be out?

2074
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 2: Like?

2075
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 25: I believe it, but I won't totally believe it until

2076
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:25,440
Speaker 25: it happens.

2077
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Right right?

2078
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:27,600
Speaker 2: Did you watch so many games this year you might

2079
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 2: believe it?

2080
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:28,679
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2081
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 6: I was a red Zone meg this year.

2082
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 25: I thought of Paul every weekend.

2083
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 6: You know, red Zon did up.

2084
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: What would your great aunt be saying about all this?

2085
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:41,679
Speaker 24: Oh my no, my grandmother?

2086
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh your grandmother? Is that right?

2087
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2088
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 11: Oh?

2089
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 6: She would be like, Jesus, you really thinks I'll let

2090
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 6: that man go?

2091
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:54,679
Speaker 25: Super Bowl title? Oh my god, Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

2092
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 25: He was the most accomplished coach in the NFL.

2093
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,799
Speaker 5: Hey, Nan, I'll watch back to back possessions on offense

2094
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 5: and then.

2095
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 9: Get back to me.

2096
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 2: Right, So, what do you guys think is going to happen?

2097
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: I mean I think we're all, you know, under the

2098
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: impression that the time has come. Yeah, and the Crafts agree.

2099
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 25: With that, yeah yeah, but does it really happen?

2100
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 1: I think so.

2101
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 5: You know, it's not like when you were here and

2102
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:24,720
Speaker 5: they used to tell you.

2103
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: You know, Megan, My thing is like, I can't imagine

2104
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: that they haven't made a decision and if they, if they,

2105
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: if they're going to keep them, why would they let

2106
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: him dangle out there for all this time? I mean,

2107
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: these rumors have been going on for a while, and

2108
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, all Robert Kraft would have had to do

2109
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: was say he's staying and that would have ended it.

2110
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: But he didn't. So you know that to me tells

2111
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: me that it's over.

2112
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 6: And his Fred always tells us watch.

2113
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: What they do, right, in this case, they didn't do anything. Yeah.

2114
01:34:56,240 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well we are witnessing historic times, guys, So I

2115
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 6: just had to give you a buzz because we are

2116
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 6: all patiently awaiting the drop of something.

2117
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 13: Right.

2118
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 6: I don't know when it's gonna happen, but I imagine

2119
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 6: by Friday will know something.

2120
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, thanks for calling it. It's good to hear

2121
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 1: your voice.

2122
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 9: Thanks mag Say hi to ay Dog this year.

2123
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: See you later. Megan from the w WE The Worldwide.

2124
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 5: O'Brien.

2125
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what last name to use for her,

2126
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, because she's not on air right now.

2127
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 2: Irish ones and one made up.

2128
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah called in as Moran's Connolly.

2129
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 1: Moran's Connolly, all right. I mean I think she's back

2130
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 1: in the northeast too, Yeah, Connecticut.

2131
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 9: A little uh more on Vrabel that I feel like

2132
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 9: it's relevant.

2133
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

2134
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 9: The Titans believed is from Diana Russini. The Titans believed

2135
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 9: trading Rabel was too complicated and would take too long.

2136
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 9: Per sources, they wanted to move on quickly. I was

2137
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 9: told Rabel never asked ownership for a trade or asked

2138
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 9: out of Tennessee. But I thought it was interesting that

2139
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 9: they felt like trying to trade him, even if he

2140
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 9: had value, was going to take too long. And it

2141
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 9: kind of relates to they tried to trade Bill, Like

2142
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 9: that's kind of the same thing.

2143
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, could you imagine like some of my thought off

2144
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 2: the table now, But like I was wondering if there

2145
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 2: was a world where they trade for each for each other,

2146
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 2: like you swap coaches.

2147
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 5: Does that ever happen before? I don't know, did.

2148
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 16: No?

2149
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2150
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 2: So funny built use like Tennessee from what I've heard, sneaky.

2151
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 5: Earlier in the show, negative dues right there taking a

2152
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 5: shot at the boss. Sorry, I'm not gonna get mad.

2153
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 5: You want, I'm not mad?

2154
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:42,600
Speaker 2: There you go.

2155
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 9: That's a good It's honestly fantastic. I mean, it's really.

2156
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 5: As way too.

2157
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 2: Talented to be wasting time making a show about.

2158
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 5: Me, but ridiculous. Okay, here we go, and every like

2159
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 5: that's that was my favorite, unbelievable.

2160
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: Really good. That might be better than the mic is

2161
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: back from practice, of course, it might be better.

2162
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 5: Than I'm willing to say.

2163
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 9: And that's my songs.

2164
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 5: Just yeah, it's I don't know, it's different.

2165
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: Jonah says, I can appreciate Rabel's defensive coaching acumen and

2166
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:15,560
Speaker 1: tough team building ideology. However, that is going backwards. The

2167
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Patriots need an offensive head coach if they move on

2168
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 1: for Bill, and should make Jerrod DC if they can

2169
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 1: draft opinions. Drake May isn't good enough to be the

2170
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: Patriots quarterback, as NC State has shown the last two years.

2171
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: I acknowledge I'm biased. First pick should be a quarterback.

2172
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 1: If not, then it should be offensive tackle. Even though

2173
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,560
Speaker 1: we need a wide receiver and he wants to know

2174
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: which second wide receiver do you like. I'm a fan

2175
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 1: of uh Agbuka or Worthy.

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Speaker 9: Buka's from Ohio. State's like a slock guy. Worthies like

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Speaker 9: this year's a Flowers, but like a little taller, a

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Speaker 9: little bit bigger.

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Speaker 2: I'm not really covening slot guys anymore this year.

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01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 9: Xavier Worthy is really really talented player.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I like them. I like a lot of

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Speaker 5: I like a lot of those wide receivers, but most

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01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 5: you know me, you guys fixate on the slot guys.

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01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:06,480
Speaker 5: I like the playmakers.

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01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: I feel like you, and then I think that's enough

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01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 1: getting first downs, making a play.

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Speaker 16: So I was.

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Speaker 9: Xavior Worthy is like more like a Z. He's not

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01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 9: like that's your like Welker slot. He's more like Justin

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01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 9: Jefferson doesn't get any first That's right, Well, Justin Jefferson

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01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 9: plays the Z doesn't it doesn't make any play.

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Speaker 1: That's that's and that's what I think.

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01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:28,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what the system.

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01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 9: Plays in the slot all the time. Yes, he's not

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01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 9: a slot receiver. He plays in the slot, Yes, but

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01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 9: he's not a slot receiver. It's not five two. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: xavior Worthy is more not that I'm not comparing him

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Speaker 9: to Justin Jefferson, but like the skill set and the

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Speaker 9: way he would be used is more like Justin Jeffers.

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01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 2: You need an every down guy, not a third down

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Speaker 2: slot receiver. Like it's fine, Pop, only a J.

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Speaker 5: Brown someday develops into a guy who can get you

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01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 5: a first down, right, then we'd.

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01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 9: Be I think ideal the guy, right, like ideally you

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01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 9: have Pop is really your what they would call your

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01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 9: f Like he's your pure slot not necessarily an X

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01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 9: or Z, but the pure slot in the three receiver sets.

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01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 9: And then exes to Higgins Z is a rookie or

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Speaker 9: something like that.

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Speaker 1: Is there a position for every letter in the alphabet?

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01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 16: No?

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01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 9: No, it just it just is, you know, in three

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01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 9: receiver sets, is your pure slot guy. And that doesn't

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01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:25,640
Speaker 9: that go like go back to like flanker, Yeah, says.

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01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 5: Split d.

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01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 9: Absolutely Z is the move piece. He is your chest piece.

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01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 1: That's what you need.

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01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 5: No, because he plays off the line scrimmage to remember

2219
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 5: it though.

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01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 2: He's going to be all over the place on this

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01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 2: way and that way, and then I'll even go back. Yeah.

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01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 9: Plays a little outside and a little inside.

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01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 5: That's what I want.

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01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: Anthony writes in there's a huge difference between Mike Rabel

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01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,639
Speaker 1: as a coach and Bill as a head coach. Mike

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01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: is under fifty and may have the ability to adapt

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01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: in a justice coaching style.

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01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 5: Absolutely that Mike's point.

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01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Bill is old and have proven time and again he

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01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,839
Speaker 1: isn't willing to move off his old time seventies football

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01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,600
Speaker 1: run and play dec He is who he is. He

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01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: isn't changing after all this time. He is an old,

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01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: stubborn man who doesn't change, and when forced, who finds

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01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 1: a way to make that what not work too. I'd

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01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 1: be willing to give Rabel a chance to show he

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01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: understands modern football and can adapt. I'm not willing to

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01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: see if Bill will.

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01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 5: It's a great email. Wow, that's a great email. That's

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01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 5: Mike's point.

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Speaker 1: Joe writes in First off, I love your show. I

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01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: grew up a season ticket holder, but haven't lived in

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01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 1: Madis since eighty six when I joined the Navy. Thank

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01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 1: you for your service. I now live in Virginia, but

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01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm still one hundred percent of Pats fan. I'm a

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01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 1: first time caller, but a long time listener to all

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01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 1: your podcast I haven't heard anyone talk about Josh McDaniels

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01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 1: coming back and them keeping Mac Jones. Do you guys

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01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,040
Speaker 1: think this is an option? I could see them drafting

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01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle and a wide receiver as a priority,

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Speaker 1: and also signing an OT and wide receiver in the

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01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 1: off season with a better Mac and it's still working.

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01:40:55,000 --> 01:41:01,600
Speaker 5: Oh god, I'm with you until the last three words working. Like,

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01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 5: I think it's a possibility that you bring Josh back

2254
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 5: and he fits the suit, he's got the contract, you

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Speaker 5: give one more year. Yeah, I don't have any faith

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01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 5: it would work.

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01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:12,240
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you too.

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01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't rule it out. And I also

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01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 2: just even if it was a new guy like you,

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01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 2: would you have a quarterback in house? And like, I

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01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,600
Speaker 2: totally agree with what you said, but like, we're just

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01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 2: not in a position where you're just casting guys off.

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01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 2: And if a guy comes in who really like Mac

2264
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 2: Jones and said, look, this guy's had a tough go,

2265
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 2: he needs to have the reset buttons reset I think

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01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 2: a lot of people think you're gonna ship him to

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01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 2: another team to let him reset. But if it's a

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01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 2: whole new offensive staff, could that be a reset? And look,

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01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 2: he doesn't win the job, you trade him in camp

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01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 2: something like that. Like I think I still think they

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01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 2: probably send him and let him get a fresh start elsewhere.

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Speaker 5: My failing is he'll want the fresh start. But you

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01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 5: absolutely could say, well, if Bill's gone, that represents the

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01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 5: fresh start for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeahah, you want to compete, we get a starting job open.

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01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 9: He spoke on locker room clean out Day, and I

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01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,760
Speaker 9: thought that his comments were I thought he was holding

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01:41:57,920 --> 01:41:59,679
Speaker 9: back quite a bit in his comments.

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Speaker 4: He's he he reminds me of Bill, and like he

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01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 4: just says a whole bunch of nothing. Like everything he

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01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 4: said was a bunch of quotes I can find.

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01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 9: On Google, Like it was a bunch of AI generation.

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01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 4: I find my best success after my lowest fall. It's

2284
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 4: like I could find that on Google on Pincher's quotes,

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01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,560
Speaker 4: Like everything he said was nothing to me.

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Speaker 5: Yep, But I I just think that about the eight

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01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 5: pounds of muscle.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that was funny, the mac jones of it, Like

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Speaker 9: half weeks how it was. I just don't see there's

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01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 9: not enough there for me to be convinced that it

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Speaker 9: would ever work again, like Paul, Like, I just I

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01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 9: just can't see that happening. And I think that you

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01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 9: can delusion yourself into thinking that Marvin Harrison Junior and

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01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 9: a great tackle and this and that and everything, but

2295
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 9: at the very least you're still talking about the Boe

2296
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 9: Nicks JJ McCarthy second round pick quarterback right to like

2297
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 9: head your bets a little bit, like you're not going

2298
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 9: to go into next year with Mac Jones and Bailey

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01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 9: Zappy as your quarterback room.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's funny.

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01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 2: I look back at my notes from training camp and

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01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,640
Speaker 2: did you know the very first eleven on eleven in

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01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 2: training camp that they did back through a pick to Dugger?

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01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 5: Like that was like, oh I remember that.

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01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, first drive of the season. Like it's

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01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 2: like so many times he makes turnas just right out

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01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 2: of the gate, right out of the game.

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Speaker 5: I just feel like, maybe it's not all his fault.

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01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 5: I'm willing to accept that, but I just think he's

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01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 5: He's shown you who he is many times, and people,

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01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 5: some people not a lot, some people refuse to just

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01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 5: believe what they've seen.

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01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're still saying it's uncharacteristic.

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01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 9: It's a ceiling.

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01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 4: Pick six, is do I need to see before?

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01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 5: It's like, I think, if you give him the stuff

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01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 5: that Evan's talking about, he will be better. But there's

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01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:43,600
Speaker 5: a ceiling to how much better? And to me, the

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01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 5: ceiling is the first half of twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Andrew another Navy vet, thank you for his service,

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01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,640
Speaker 1: writes in I appreciate what Bill has done, and I

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01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: think he's a great coach. But is there a chance

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01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: that rather than the greatest head coach of all time,

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01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 1: he's the greatest defensive coordinator of all time happened to

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01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: also have Tom Brady. Just seems like it's been a

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01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 1: slow motion train wreck since Brady left, with bad decision

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01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 1: after bad decision.

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Speaker 9: No, I don't think that's possible. That's just me. I

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01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 9: think that that's really ignoring pretty much seventy five percent

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Speaker 9: of what Bill Belichick brought to the table here for

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01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 9: twenty four years. If you're just saying, ah, he brought

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01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 9: was being a really good defensive coach.

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Speaker 1: Joe writes in he's in Michigan. Bill is a very

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01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: intimidating and forceful man. What is happening is what has

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01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:33,600
Speaker 1: been happening over twenty years. Bill is in charge and

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01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,679
Speaker 1: deciding the future of the team. He is still the boss.

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01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Imagine sitting across the table from him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, someone who's been on

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01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 5: the other side of the table. Well, that's why that's

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01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 5: a pretty accurate description.

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01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 2: Takes a billionaire.

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Speaker 1: So somebody sent me a quote from the late Pat Bowen,

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01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 1: who was the owner of the Broncos.

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01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:58,480
Speaker 5: This one's and for John and the quote was about.

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01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: When he got rid of Dan Reeves and he said

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01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 1: that he wanted to get his team back. Yeah, you know,

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01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 1: he felt like he had lost control and that Dan

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01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 1: Reeves maybe had too much power.

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01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 2: He become the team.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well Dan Reeves is just phenomenal to.

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01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 1: Certain so overrated.

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01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:17,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, just kidding.

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01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 9: We were in Denver.

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01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:22,560
Speaker 5: He was like, oh, do you see it? Do you

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01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 5: see it?

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01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 16: Up there?

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01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 9: We were all like what And He's like.

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01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 2: I showed restraint. But when I had the opportunity to

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01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 2: interview bergeron and Andrews, and Andrews was talking a little

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01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 2: bit about his uncle and his uncle get and of

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01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 2: course Aaron, who is a you know Dan Reeves file

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01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:39,640
Speaker 2: uh standing there looking at us, and I was like,

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01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 2: do I call him out right now and bring up

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01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 2: Dan Reeves?

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01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:43,000
Speaker 1: Who was?

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01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 5: And I didn't do it?

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01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 1: But Aaron's I mean you, why didn't you do it?

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01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 2: Like you wanted me to be? Like, oh, who's talking

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01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 2: about Dan?

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01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 1: Reason? Yeah, Aaron, Aaron loves him. Ryan at Colorado, he says,

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01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 1: you got interview, by the way, was Ryan And Colorado says,

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01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 1: you guys are missing the possibility that Bill will bring

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01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 1: back McDaniels to be the defensive court.

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01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 5: From a different Is that from Johnny south Beach? That

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01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 5: was right up his alley.

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01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 9: Let's go to Eldred.

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01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: What's up Eldred? Oh?

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01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 9: Aldred?

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Speaker 24: Hey, fellas, I'm gonna take my lump, but I still

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01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 24: would take it and do Yeah, like I said, man,

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01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 24: I love you. Why do you want to keep the

2382
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 24: same treat with Braverel, Raverel or anybody else? I'm like, oh,

2383
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 24: and Tamir, bring somebody's office of mind and get a quarterback.

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01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 24: Try to get one and just go to work, you know,

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01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 24: do it differently. You know, change is better and twenty

2386
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 24: four years and this was great, but y'all keep like Evan,

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01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 24: I know you keep saying he's the greatest coach of

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01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:49,680
Speaker 24: all time. He also had the greatest.

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Speaker 1: Play off all time.

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Speaker 24: And I'm gonna keep throwing that in there, because when

2391
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:56,639
Speaker 24: he left thing fell apart. Before he got him, things

2392
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 24: were falling apart. So the middle is in the middle.

2393
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 24: But like I said, I wish to do some because

2394
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 24: the network they keep saying braveryl might come to New

2395
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 24: England the head coach, and that would be a big mistake.

2396
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 24: I think, So what do you all think.

2397
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 5: I think it's a possibility.

2398
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 2: I think it's possibility.

2399
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know.

2400
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:17,679
Speaker 2: It's also just like, you know, getting so carried away

2401
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 2: with with the offensive coach. It's like, you know, I've

2402
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 2: heard nothing, but people call in and give Tom Brady

2403
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 2: all the credit, you know, and it's like, can't you

2404
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:26,799
Speaker 2: get a player that can transcend who his offensive coordinator

2405
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 2: is or who his coach is like?

2406
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 5: And I would also say that just because he's a

2407
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:33,599
Speaker 5: defensive mind the point that Mike keeps making that's accurate.

2408
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:35,719
Speaker 5: This doesn't mean he can't put together a good offensive

2409
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:38,680
Speaker 5: staff and allow that offense to be different. I just

2410
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:42,679
Speaker 5: want I just want a different style of play. Yeah, Yeah,

2411
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,720
Speaker 5: that's all. I don't want someone who's trying to win

2412
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 5: with defense, I hear it.

2413
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, one more question, one more question? Okay, yeah

2414
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 24: about keeps saying bringing in a big dang. Okay, what's

2415
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 24: wrong with Bill O'Brien And maybe maybe a Bill did

2416
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 24: give him nut just didn't run just the net see it?

2417
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:03,600
Speaker 24: What about get him let him go? Could it be

2418
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 24: even better? Is the coordinator?

2419
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:09,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not. I think that's on the time.

2420
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,640
Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to that. I I just think there

2421
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 2: needs to be some changes because generally speaking with the

2422
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 2: staff of the majority of it that stayed the same

2423
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 2: over the last few years, it's looked the same as

2424
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 2: far as player developments, the worst offense in football likely exactly.

2425
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 24: So it's why would you keep them? Yeah?

2426
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 9: I to the for me personally, the to the like

2427
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,599
Speaker 9: comfort level with the coaching tree and all that stuff.

2428
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 9: That's more like coping because I just I just know

2429
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 9: that they're not going to hire some random person that's

2430
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 9: never been here before like I did.

2431
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:40,600
Speaker 5: It's just not going to happen like I.

2432
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 9: I You're probably right, and so that's why I I've

2433
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,560
Speaker 9: just Okay, well, what's who's my favorite out of the

2434
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 9: guys that I know are on the list. Like last

2435
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 9: year with the offensive coordinator thing, was Bill O'Brien really

2436
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 9: the best guy for the job or did we just

2437
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 9: all know that that's who was going to be because

2438
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:58,640
Speaker 9: of the ties to the organization. And I feel the

2439
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 9: same way about head coach. Like as much as I

2440
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 9: want to sit here and pound the table for Ben

2441
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 9: Johnson or pound the table for Bobby Slowick, which would

2442
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 9: be Paul's thing, which would be different and innovative and

2443
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 9: all that stuff, like, I just I don't think they'll

2444
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 9: do it.

2445
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 1: I think there are planes taking off above us Bill

2446
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 1: and San Diego. Why the hell would anyone be in

2447
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,759
Speaker 1: on Mike Rabel. Paul literally said it. Tennessee is basically

2448
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 1: the same team as New England right now, So why

2449
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 1: the hell would Rabel bring any more success here than

2450
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 1: he did there. It's absolute insanity. The game has changed,

2451
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 1: It's time to change the way we do business in

2452
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 1: that building. You can subm in Mayo's name here too,

2453
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:35,639
Speaker 1: by the way.

2454
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, but how do we know how Mayo coaches? Yeah?

2455
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 9: From what I've heard that Mayo is not like people

2456
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 9: have the wrong idea of Like I feel like people say.

2457
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 5: This NBC Sports Boston guys, No, is that what they said? Yeah,

2458
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 5: they go to great Lands to tell you how different

2459
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 5: he is. I don't know.

2460
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:55,599
Speaker 9: I just you know, before the season ended, I figured

2461
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 9: that Mayo might be the next guy. So I went

2462
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:58,760
Speaker 9: around the locker room and asked a bunch of the

2463
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 9: guys just about Mayo, and all of them, like so

2464
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 9: many of them use the words players, coach, like I could.

2465
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 9: I probably talked to ten guys and eight of them

2466
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 9: use the words players, coach and relatable and you know

2467
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 9: that he's been here before like himself, so he can

2468
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 9: he can relate on that level and just so much

2469
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 9: like a softer personality than Bill.

2470
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: Like.

2471
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,599
Speaker 9: I just don't think that maybe their mindset of football

2472
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 9: and like x's and o's and stuff like that might

2473
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 9: be the same or might be aligned, but in terms

2474
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:32,800
Speaker 9: of the personality, I truly do think that they're different people.

2475
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 1: Alex and Raleigh North Carolina Happy first off season show.

2476
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a name to the claim that I

2477
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 1: don't want JJ McCarthy because he is Max Jones two

2478
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 1: point zero. No, thanks, get us a quarterback that can

2479
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:49,200
Speaker 1: move Daniels Pennix Williams when it was a high ceiling.

2480
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:51,720
Speaker 1: This is gonna be an interesting offseason. I think Bill

2481
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 1: will end up coming back after everything. Paul is one

2482
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 1: hundred percent right, he said, if we collectively agree. He

2483
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 1: laid out everything in his Monday monologue. It was a

2484
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 1: very pointed speech. Since it's the offseason for any new

2485
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:07,599
Speaker 1: invention ideas, we want to workshop this offseason something we'll

2486
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:09,640
Speaker 1: have time for that. We'll have time for that.

2487
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:13,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, McCarthy can move Okay, By the way, I do

2488
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:17,040
Speaker 5: think the comparison to Mac is similar. I don't think

2489
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 5: that he was I don't think he was needed to

2490
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 5: do a whole lot with a team that was really,

2491
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 5: really talented. And some people have said and Evan would

2492
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 5: know more about this than I would. I think Harbaugh

2493
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:28,719
Speaker 5: has been quoted as saying they will break the record

2494
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:30,639
Speaker 5: for the amount of drafted players on this team.

2495
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 9: It's possible. I mean, maybe not this year, but like

2496
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 9: the team, yeah, of the next couple with McCarthy, though

2497
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 9: his skill set's much much different from Max. I agree

2498
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:45,440
Speaker 9: he's more toolsy than Mac Jones was, but way less accurate.

2499
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:47,639
Speaker 5: And better arm and definitely better athletics.

2500
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, but not as pure as a processor as Mac

2501
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,599
Speaker 9: Jones is. I actually think if you want to make

2502
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 9: a comp like to Ma, like Pennix is on, it

2503
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 9: is not that far off, I would say, in some

2504
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 9: respects from what Mac was in college.

2505
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 1: Elder just crashed and I don't know another much.

2506
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 9: Better better arm, better arm for sure, but even last

2507
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:11,439
Speaker 9: night when it's off platform, it didn't look that much better.

2508
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:13,719
Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think he's a great runner.

2509
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 9: Great, yeah, but he's not a mobile guy. He's not

2510
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 9: a great mover in the pocket. And uh and you

2511
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 9: know he's propped up by Romadonsay and Polk and Mitchell

2512
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 9: and three top one hundred wide receivers. Like there's there's

2513
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 9: some comps there too. That was my whole thing with

2514
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 9: Eldrid last week was I got to see him against

2515
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:36,320
Speaker 9: Michigan first, because maybe it is just that Roma Dunsay

2516
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 9: is that much better than the cornerbacks on Texas and

2517
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:42,679
Speaker 9: he's just out there making making plays and that sort

2518
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 9: of what happened last night.

2519
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,560
Speaker 1: So Deuce, it's gotten around that you don't like McDonald's

2520
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 1: at all.

2521
01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:51,360
Speaker 5: He hasn't been in like twenty years.

2522
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:54,599
Speaker 1: Jacob from Nashville says, I love duce, but can't trust

2523
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't eat McDonald's. Check his basement.

2524
01:52:57,880 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 9: You don't like McDonald's.

2525
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 2: Not that I don't like it, I just I don't

2526
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 2: eat there.

2527
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 4: Well, the bigger problem is his kids are scared of it.

2528
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 1: That might we did.

2529
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:09,000
Speaker 2: We did instill the fear of McDonald's and my kids,

2530
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 2: not really purposely.

2531
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:12,160
Speaker 9: But because of like nutrition reasons or no, we just.

2532
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:12,960
Speaker 1: Never really went there.

2533
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,640
Speaker 5: And I don't know because of the clown. Then the

2534
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 5: clown did.

2535
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 2: Scare me not But look, I'm gonna do it sometime

2536
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 2: this off season. I'll go at lunching. I'll get while

2537
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 2: crushing McChicken sandwich free. Also you know that that I'm okay?

2538
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:29,760
Speaker 5: So you know number one bigger nugs big. I'll do

2539
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 5: a big nug too.

2540
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 9: I think the fries and McDonald's are still one one.

2541
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:34,280
Speaker 5: I do like.

2542
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 9: I like Chick fil A has got good fries too,

2543
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:37,960
Speaker 9: fast food fries.

2544
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:40,840
Speaker 2: I think there's still the I still love in and

2545
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 2: out fries so well that doesn't count, I know, but

2546
01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 2: I love them.

2547
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: Dan of Virginia and Michigan, he says Pennix's stock is rising.

2548
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:52,559
Speaker 1: It might be against conventional wisdom. But after last night's game,

2549
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:55,120
Speaker 1: I think Pennix would be the perfect quarterback for the Patriots,

2550
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:58,160
Speaker 1: given the performance of Washington's old line against Michigan, the

2551
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 1: situation that the Patriots should be all too familiar for Pennies.

2552
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:04,080
Speaker 1: Looks like he has a strong arm too. By the

2553
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 1: time he was done running backwards away from the Michigan defense,

2554
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:09,560
Speaker 1: and every play, every pass he made was a downfield

2555
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:11,519
Speaker 1: throw just to get back to the line of scrimmage.

2556
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:18,760
Speaker 1: So that's a little sarcast it's not funny. Williams in

2557
01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 1: philam what's up? Will? What's up? All right? All right,

2558
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:24,640
Speaker 1: all right?

2559
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 24: Just three questions that the show about dance just.

2560
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:30,719
Speaker 22: And one for Paul.

2561
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 11: Look.

2562
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:39,560
Speaker 7: I like Williams May and also Dames. But why is

2563
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 7: so much push back on Drake May.

2564
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:43,880
Speaker 5: I like Drake May.

2565
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 16: You dreams?

2566
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I like Drake. I think Drake Drake May

2567
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 5: has a little Josh Allen in him. Now you could say,

2568
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 5: like that's good or bad.

2569
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 1: But doesn't he also have the most unknown because of competition.

2570
01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 9: I guess you could look at it that way.

2571
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:01,440
Speaker 5: I mean, I you played in the a CEC. It's

2572
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:04,560
Speaker 5: not like he played like Tennessee Chattanooga and he was

2573
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 5: a one year starter.

2574
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 9: Right, no, no, no, no to your starter. But I

2575
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 9: agree with you that the AEC the ACC.

2576
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:11,920
Speaker 5: Is not as good as the SEC in the Big ten.

2577
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 5: I don't think that this year the PAC twelve was

2578
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 5: maybe better than all.

2579
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 9: Of them, well except the champion apparently right now.

2580
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:24,000
Speaker 5: But that's one team. But I like Drake May. I

2581
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 5: mean I wouldn't be a no on Drake May.

2582
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't either.

2583
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 7: But I'm not allowed to answer this, all right, I'm

2584
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 7: just the last two crunch five minutes. Sorry, How did

2585
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:35,800
Speaker 7: you feel about the Michigan running backs and what would

2586
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 7: you do with the number three pick?

2587
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,360
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, I feel like you're trolling me with the

2588
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 9: Michigan running backs because this is it. I knew you were.

2589
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 9: I knew you were because this is a catch twenty

2590
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 9: two thing that I refuse to talk about running backs.

2591
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:53,520
Speaker 9: I refuse, no, no, And you do running backs on

2592
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 9: your own time, like if the Patriots touch a running

2593
01:55:56,200 --> 01:55:58,400
Speaker 9: back in the top one fifty, I will be pissed, like,

2594
01:55:58,560 --> 01:55:59,040
Speaker 9: don't know.

2595
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:02,880
Speaker 1: No, no, If Christian McCaffrey for Stanford was available, you

2596
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:03,919
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk about.

2597
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 9: No, because I'm if they take him a third three overall,

2598
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 9: then we're we're screwed, Like you might as well just

2599
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 9: pick next year top three again, like why don't we

2600
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 9: just keep picking in the top three if you want

2601
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 9: to pick as such as that don't matter.

2602
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 14: No, definitely not Like.

2603
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:20,560
Speaker 9: Okay, well so there, so Blake Koram is going to

2604
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:22,480
Speaker 9: go in the top one hundred, probably in the somewhere

2605
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 9: in the third round.

2606
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:27,280
Speaker 5: I would say player for somebody. Yeah, the other back.

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01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,040
Speaker 9: Might be more in there in that like fourth and

2608
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 9: fifth round territory that they could get him early day

2609
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 9: three Edwards yep, and maybe maybe that would be doable.

2610
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 9: But yeah, I've not taken any running backs before the

2611
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 9: fourth round. If I'm the Patriots, I can see the

2612
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:45,080
Speaker 9: need like in general, but if a third overall pick,

2613
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:49,839
Speaker 9: I am starting to come around. But to to Jayden Daniels,

2614
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 9: maybe that's also coping for the fact that they're going

2615
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 9: to miss the two first two guys. So that's kind

2616
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:57,160
Speaker 9: of the guy that's left at the table. But I

2617
01:56:57,600 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 9: really do like a lot of things about the idea

2618
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:03,400
Speaker 9: of Jaden Daniels and find like you want to modernize

2619
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:05,920
Speaker 9: the offense, like finally get somebody that can play eleven

2620
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:07,160
Speaker 9: on eleven and run around a bit.

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01:57:07,240 --> 01:57:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we'll know before then, but I

2622
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:12,160
Speaker 1: would just be more comfortable knowing who's going to be

2623
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:15,920
Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels coach, and what kind of offense.

2624
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:18,160
Speaker 9: He's going to be yeah, you know, running, yeah, and

2625
01:57:18,240 --> 01:57:20,240
Speaker 9: all that stuff, because he does have you know, some

2626
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:24,240
Speaker 9: processing issues. I seen you know, things in the middle

2627
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 9: of the field. No, I don't think he'll be one

2628
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:30,440
Speaker 9: hundred percent ready. I think that every single quarterback. The

2629
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 9: way I look at it right now is all all

2630
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:35,440
Speaker 9: these guys every there's no perfect prospects, so all of

2631
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 9: them have flaws, and so I guess the question really

2632
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:41,040
Speaker 9: is is like which flaws do you care the least about?

2633
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,880
Speaker 9: You know, a guy like Caleb Williams, he wants to

2634
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:46,840
Speaker 9: hold the ball and run around and create extended plays,

2635
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:49,839
Speaker 9: and he's got a ton of fumbles in Sackson College

2636
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 9: as a result. Drake may is Josh Allen, Like, I

2637
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:55,400
Speaker 9: think that's a really nice comp coming out of Wyoming

2638
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 9: that sometimes the ball just is all over the place,

2639
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:00,960
Speaker 9: Like he'll just throw these back that are ten yards

2640
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 9: over the guy's head and you're just like whoa, Like,

2641
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:05,680
Speaker 9: where did that come from. And then Jaden Daniels I

2642
01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:08,440
Speaker 9: think is a little bit of a developmental project as

2643
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:10,880
Speaker 9: a passer right now. So which one do you want

2644
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 9: to work with?

2645
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 2: That's what's well, that's what I kind of find myself

2646
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:15,400
Speaker 2: not wanting to work with. Is trying to develop a

2647
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 2: guy who's a great athlete and teach him how to

2648
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:19,720
Speaker 2: throw like that. Just generally, that to me seems like

2649
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:22,320
Speaker 2: a huge ask. I would rather just go with a

2650
01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 2: guy who at least can throw and can run a

2651
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:27,080
Speaker 2: little bit, then have to get a guy and teach

2652
01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 2: him how to pass.

2653
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 9: So I would say that Jaden Daniels' issues as a

2654
01:58:30,920 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 9: passer are more mental, Like physically, I think he's got

2655
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:37,480
Speaker 9: really consistent release point and like really does well with

2656
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:40,120
Speaker 9: his mechanics for the most part. Drake May, I'd be

2657
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 9: more concerned about his footwork and his antsying this a

2658
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:46,800
Speaker 9: little bit with his feet than that. But is his

2659
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 9: own thing, like Caleb just does it different.

2660
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 5: He's got the Mahome stuff.

2661
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I almost mean it more of like philosophically,

2662
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:54,760
Speaker 2: like is this guy going into a game saying I'm

2663
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 2: going to beat them with my arm or is this

2664
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 2: guy going to go into the game and say I'm

2665
01:58:58,680 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 2: going to run.

2666
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 5: Can I change parameters a little bit? You said you

2667
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:06,440
Speaker 5: don't want a guy that runs around that that he

2668
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 5: can't throw, And then you said, I'd rather have a

2669
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 5: guy who can run a little bit and throw. Well,

2670
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:14,040
Speaker 5: just would you, reckondary, would you rather have a guy

2671
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 5: that is a great pocket passer but he can't run,

2672
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:20,879
Speaker 5: or a guy who can run but is a project

2673
01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 5: throw don't say, because everybody would rather have the guy

2674
01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:25,720
Speaker 5: who's a great passer who can also run a little

2675
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:26,280
Speaker 5: bit when needed.

2676
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:27,200
Speaker 2: I totally hear what you're saying.

2677
01:59:27,240 --> 01:59:30,800
Speaker 5: And let's take let's make a mac Jones and say

2678
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:33,040
Speaker 5: that he's just a pocket guy and he can't run.

2679
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 2: Then I'd lean towards the mac Jones. As much as

2680
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:36,560
Speaker 2: we've seen those words.

2681
01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:39,000
Speaker 5: I would lean toward the Jayden Daniels. I'll teach him

2682
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:41,360
Speaker 5: how to throw. He can make plays to get himself

2683
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 5: out of it.

2684
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 2: And I don't have ready examples off the top of

2685
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:45,560
Speaker 2: my head though. But like other than Lamar, who have

2686
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:48,320
Speaker 2: been the great runners that have really settled into to be.

2687
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:51,360
Speaker 5: We're just figuring it out right. I think Jalen hurts

2688
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:53,960
Speaker 5: when he came out of the I watched Jalen Hurts

2689
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:56,160
Speaker 5: a lot in college, and I never would have guessed

2690
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:57,480
Speaker 5: he could throw the ball as well as he has

2691
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:58,040
Speaker 5: in the NFL.

2692
01:59:58,360 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you can do it.

2693
02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:00,360
Speaker 5: I think.

2694
02:00:00,440 --> 02:00:02,120
Speaker 9: I think a big thing that you see with Jaden

2695
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:05,720
Speaker 9: Daniels is that he'll have guys open on the field

2696
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:10,600
Speaker 9: and opt to run, and sometimes he'll like pass up

2697
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 9: a crossing route that's open that would probably gain fifteen

2698
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 9: yards and he scores a fifty yard touchdown with his legs.

2699
02:00:16,360 --> 02:00:18,720
Speaker 9: So it's like, do you fault him for passing up

2700
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:20,960
Speaker 9: the crosser when he knows that he can that he's

2701
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:22,560
Speaker 9: going to have to figure out that he ain't running

2702
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:25,080
Speaker 9: for fifty yard touchdowns, right, because you know, teams will

2703
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:27,800
Speaker 9: play man coverage down the field, nobody's on the quarterback,

2704
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:30,480
Speaker 9: and then here comes your your quarterback, you know, just

2705
02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 9: running Like against Florida, he had like two hundred yards

2706
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:36,240
Speaker 9: rushing on that you know in Alabama.

2707
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,280
Speaker 5: It's like a city game, yeah Florida, Yeah, And like

2708
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:38,760
Speaker 5: you know, it's.

2709
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:41,280
Speaker 9: The same thing. It's just like he's passing up reads

2710
02:00:41,320 --> 02:00:44,960
Speaker 9: down the field, yes, but he's passing them up to

2711
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:47,640
Speaker 9: run all over the place and it's like, which one

2712
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:49,920
Speaker 9: would you rather? I think with Drake may he has

2713
02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 9: consistency issues as a as a thrower, but he's more

2714
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 9: you can tell that he's like his processes is smarter,

2715
02:00:57,240 --> 02:00:59,920
Speaker 9: Like he can tell that he's he's understanding. Okay, if

2716
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:02,400
Speaker 9: I look over here and pump there, and then that's

2717
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 9: gonna move this guy. And then I'm gonna come back

2718
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:05,960
Speaker 9: to this throw and I'm gonna hit it here, buddy,

2719
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:08,320
Speaker 9: the ball is just ball placements more inconsistent.

2720
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:09,960
Speaker 2: So that's what I've liked about Drake Mayon a little

2721
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:11,960
Speaker 2: bit i've watched him so far, just that he does

2722
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:14,240
Speaker 2: have that athleticism, you know, the run for it, but

2723
02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:16,920
Speaker 2: not so much that his mind is kind of poisoned

2724
02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:20,040
Speaker 2: into thinking like that's the first thought to run. I mean,

2725
02:01:20,120 --> 02:01:22,120
Speaker 2: I know there's a million ways to skin a cat, but.

2726
02:01:22,440 --> 02:01:26,280
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