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Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace, This is crime Stories. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation in Sirius

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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. As always, there's more to the story,

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Speaker 1: but let's start at the beginning. Take a listen. The

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Let me introduce you

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Speaker 1: an all star panel of guests to break it down

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Speaker 1: at Shelnut Lawfirm dot com. Doctor Daniel Bober, chief of

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Speaker 1: psychiatry Memorial Regional Healthcare, Sister Professor Yale. You can find

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Speaker 1: him on insta a doctor Daniel Bober. Bobby Chicone, former

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Speaker 1: Doctor Katherine Maloney, you know her name well, Deputy Chief

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Speaker 1: Online dot com investigative reporter Dave mac let me understand,

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Speaker 1: all different sorts up pictures of mostly of her in

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Speaker 1: racy lingerie who was looking at these photos. One of

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Speaker 1: the first things you've got to do is you agree

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Speaker 1: or disagree, doctor Daniel Bober, you're the forensic psychiatrist, is

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Speaker 1: get the clientele list off the computer as to who

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Speaker 1: was looking at Catwest online. Absolutely, Nancy, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's something, maybe it's nothing, but you need that client

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Speaker 1: list to see, you know, if you can track IP

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Speaker 1: addresses or find out if there was someone who, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe in their own head, was interpreting it a different

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Speaker 1: way and was stalking her. So these are all things

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Speaker 1: that need to be well. You don't know which way

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Speaker 1: to go. You start checking the victims the movements leading

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Speaker 1: up to their death. And that's exactly what police began

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Speaker 1: to do. Take a list of our friends and Inside Edition,

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Speaker 1: this is the last time stay at home mom Kathleen

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Speaker 1: West was seen alive. Surveillance footage obtained exclusively by Inside

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Speaker 1: Edition shows the beautiful woman shopping and laughing inside a

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Speaker 1: liquor store eight hours before she was found dead. Kat

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00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: bought the bottle of absent that R and R wine

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Speaker 1: and liquor the night before her body was discovered. The

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Speaker 1: store of surveillance video shows are pulling up in a

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Speaker 1: black chevy with a man who looks like her husband.

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Speaker 1: She's wearing a striped top, a leather jacket, jeans, and wedges.

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Speaker 1: She sure seems to be in a happy move. At

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Speaker 1: one point, the guy gives her a playful pat on

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Speaker 1: her behind. What happened when they came in the store.

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Speaker 1: They came in, they were It looked like they were

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Speaker 1: on their date night. They bought a bottle of Jamison

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Speaker 1: and a bottle of Lucid absent and made their purchase

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Speaker 1: and went on their way, and everything seemed normal. Everything

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Speaker 1: was normal. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking

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Speaker 1: about the untimely death of a beautiful young soccer mom

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Speaker 1: on her quiet suburban cul de sac that coincidentally has

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Speaker 1: a second light as an online adult model posing in

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Speaker 1: racy lingerie and much much less, What if anything, did

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Speaker 1: that have to do with her death? Her name Cat

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Speaker 1: nickname online Kitty Cat. So to you, Dave Mack. She's

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Speaker 1: pictured at this liquor store getting the absinthe. Somebody's patting

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Speaker 1: her on the rear end. Who's that it is? Her husband,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Blest And how close to the time of death,

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Speaker 1: as explained by doctor Catherine Maloney, how close in time?

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Speaker 1: Was that eight hours between the time we last saw

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Speaker 1: her and the time the police are called at five

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Speaker 1: ten in the morning. Then a surprise goes down for

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Speaker 1: anyone and everyone that is involved in the case. Listen,

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Speaker 1: a swarm of investigators, an unexpected interruption to DAWNE. Williams breakfast,

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Speaker 1: About four more other cars followed. You know, they jumped

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Speaker 1: all out. You know, the guy was already standing outside

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Speaker 1: and he had his hands up. He immediately got on

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Speaker 1: the ground. Williams watched police arrest Jeff West, now charged

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Speaker 1: with murder, accused of killing his wife Kathleen last month.

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Speaker 1: Investigators say she died from blunt force trauma, but west

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Speaker 1: father william isn't so sure. I think how Peter did.

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Speaker 1: Kathleen West often posted provocative photos on her subscription based website,

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Speaker 1: drawing even more attention to the case. A Facebook group

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Speaker 1: discussing her murder now has thousands of members. I don't

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Speaker 1: really keep with other crimes. I mean, I've never seen

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Speaker 1: a Facebook page murder to Dave Matt what is the

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Speaker 1: small town? Kleia is a suburb out in the country

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Speaker 1: from Birmingham, Alabama. It's on the southern side about twelve

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Speaker 1: thousand people give her take. You know, typically I would

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Speaker 1: say to you, Bobby Chicone, that the fact that it's

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Speaker 1: such a small small town, a low population, that it

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Speaker 1: would have to be somebody that need her. But given

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Speaker 1: her online adult modeling, that really opens up the universe

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Speaker 1: of suspects. Absolutely, Nancy, I actually, you know, almost makes

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Speaker 1: it infinite. I mean, you have to, like you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: you have to start looking at the subscribers to her website,

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Speaker 1: not just the subscribers to her website, but the hits

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Speaker 1: on her website that they've described, the ones that don't

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Speaker 1: have to sign up but can go to that intermediate website.

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Speaker 1: You have to look at who's on there, whether she

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Speaker 1: engaged in any chat conversations with these people, whether any

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Speaker 1: of these people lived in her area. Uh. I mean

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Speaker 1: that online presence for investigators creates an immensely larger pool

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Speaker 1: of suspects. I want to get doctor Maloney's opinion on this.

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Speaker 1: The husband's father says that he believes she got drunk

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Speaker 1: and fell. What can you tell me about the injury.

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Speaker 1: Was it to the front of the head, the back

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Speaker 1: of the head, what do we know? That's a very

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Speaker 1: good question. Nancy. I reviewed everything I could find on

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Speaker 1: the internet, but the most specific information I was able

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Speaker 1: to come across is that it was blunt impact injuries

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Speaker 1: of the head, which is pretty vague description, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not entirely sure where the injuries were. What about it,

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Speaker 1: Dave matt What do we know about her injury? We

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Speaker 1: exactly what doctor Maloney just said, top of the head injury, Well,

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Speaker 1: top of the head. That's important to doctor Maloney. I

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Speaker 1: had an arson case where a millionaire burned down his

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Speaker 1: mansion and whoops, his wife was in there. He managed

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Speaker 1: to escape with his fully dressed at one am, wallet

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Speaker 1: keys belt. She used the works. She died smoke inhalation.

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Speaker 1: But the medical examiner found blows bruises to the very

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Speaker 1: top of her head. Now, how do you get a

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Speaker 1: blow to the top of your head by a fall.

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Speaker 1: She's halfway in the yard, she's halfway on the driveway.

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Speaker 1: What's there to hit the curve? How do you do

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Speaker 1: it on the very top of your head? Doctorl In general,

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Speaker 1: what they kind of teach you as a medical examiner

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Speaker 1: is that any injury that's above the level of a

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Speaker 1: man's hat, so basically above the ears, is usually considered

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Speaker 1: somewhat suspicious unless you have some type of circumstances that

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Speaker 1: explain how that could have happened, like someone fell down

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Speaker 1: a flight of stairs, or someone fell off of something,

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Speaker 1: or again, like you said, if her head was lined

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Speaker 1: up just right against the curve curb, it's possible. But

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Speaker 1: with generally a fall with a blow to like the

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Speaker 1: back of the head or the side of the head,

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Speaker 1: usually those are going to be blow the level of

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Speaker 1: the ears. Absolutely. And at trial in the case I

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Speaker 1: was telling you about doctor Maloney, the defense tried to

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Speaker 1: argue that the fire rescuers, when carrying her down the stairs,

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Speaker 1: they rammed her head into a spindle of the staircase. Plausible,

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Speaker 1: But was it enough to be the fatal blow by

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Speaker 1: just hitting somebody's head on a staircase? And here I mean,

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Speaker 1: how how much force does it require doctor Maloney to

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Speaker 1: kill yourself with a blow on the top of the head.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you have to be an Olympic gymnast

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Speaker 1: to get a blow like that on the top of

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Speaker 1: your head. But how much force would it require? Probably

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Speaker 1: not from a fall from a standing height. You can

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Speaker 1: get skull fractures if you fall just from standing up,

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Speaker 1: but usually those aren't going to be injuries that are

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Speaker 1: going to be immediately fatal. So in general, the person

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00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: usually is able to get back up and go get help,

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Speaker 1: unless they've broken their neck or something and they've become paralyzed.

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00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: Usually the person will have a really bad headache or

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Speaker 1: might be temporarily unconscious, but generally the person isn't going

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Speaker 1: to instantly die just from a fall with hitting the head. Well,

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Speaker 1: now we know the husband is charged in this, but

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Speaker 1: take a listen. We can see what the defense is

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Speaker 1: lining up to be. Take a listen to Mary O'Connell.

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Speaker 1: This is the father of Jeff West. Speaking. Jeff West's

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Speaker 1: father says both of the couple's parents aren't buying it.

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Speaker 1: William West believes his daughter likely was drunk and accidentally fell.

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Speaker 1: Now his grief has turned to something else because I

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Speaker 1: know they screwed it up and they're trying to blame somebody,

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Speaker 1: and they told him it was circumstantial evidence. Then they

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Speaker 1: say they got proof, they don't know what they've got.

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00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: As for Kat's life as an adult model, he says

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Speaker 1: his son knew all about it. He wasn't fooling around

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Speaker 1: on it with him with anybody else. This was just

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Speaker 1: a potal thing and there's a lot of freaks out there.

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Speaker 1: It gets into that stuff. A police have told us

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Speaker 1: for more than a week that they were confident in

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Speaker 1: this case and confident that they had the right guy.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Dave mac what else

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Speaker 1: do police have other than the fact that he's a

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Speaker 1: husband and they were together. You were just listening to

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Speaker 1: Stephen Quinn at ABC. What else do they claim to have,

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Speaker 1: Dave mack Well, what the police actually have is they

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Speaker 1: actually have the security The home had a security system

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Speaker 1: that actually showed when doors were opened and closed and

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Speaker 1: how long they were left open. And in this particular case,

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Speaker 1: we have a door, the front door to the home

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Speaker 1: I believe was opened at about ten after one in

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Speaker 1: the morning and it remained open for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the night and was not closed until after her body

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Speaker 1: was discovered in the yard. That's the one big piece

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00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: of evidence that they have. And of course we have

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Speaker 1: the fingerprints of his on the bottle of the absence

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Speaker 1: I know, but he was at the liquor store when

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Speaker 1: they bought the absinthe, so you know, that could explain

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Speaker 1: to why why his prints were on the bottle. Do

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Speaker 1: they know if the bottle was the murder weapon. That's

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Speaker 1: what has been suggested, Nancy. But the bottle that was

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Speaker 1: come on top of the cell phone in the yard,

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Speaker 1: actually the label had been taken off, and they found

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Speaker 1: the label later the next day as they were collecting evidence.

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Speaker 1: I was still shocked the fact that if the bottle

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Speaker 1: was used as a murder weapon, that it wasn't broken,

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Speaker 1: but it was still altful of liquor. I want you

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Speaker 1: to take a listen to our cut thirteen. This is

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Speaker 1: Stephen Quinnett with ABC. The state's going to have a

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00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: big problem with this. Listen. Police say they've had the

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Speaker 1: same suspect all along twice. Did you kill your wife?

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Speaker 1: Police arrested Jeff West and charged him with his wife's murder.

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Speaker 1: The investigation, which lasted more than a month, ended under

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Speaker 1: the same roof where it started. Police question West, but

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00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: he appears to say very little. Didn't seem to be

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Speaker 1: the tomes that I've seen him, didn't seem to be

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Speaker 1: a very episode. Earlier this month, a judge denied West's

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Speaker 1: request to have his bond lowered. He's still in jail tonight.

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Speaker 1: This victim does have family there is also a fender

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Speaker 1: that has family. It's a tragedy all the way around

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00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: for everybody involved. But there's a twist. The parents of

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Speaker 1: both Jeff and Kat West have united against the police.

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Speaker 1: Kat West's mother appeared in court alongside her son in

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Speaker 1: law's family. She told a judge her daughter was a

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Speaker 1: binge drinker and bipolar and that she too believes Jeff's

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Speaker 1: story that her daughter slipped and fell that faithful night.

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Speaker 1: We went to the funeral together. We saw her buddy together.

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Speaker 1: I saw him. You can't fake what he went through.

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Speaker 1: Movie at the funeral. Food to Dave Mack, this case

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Speaker 1: is in a court of law right now. Where are

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Speaker 1: they at in the trial? Just finished day two of

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Speaker 1: the trial. During the first day of testimony, there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of talking over what happened with that nine

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Speaker 1: one one called when Kat's body was discovered. That the

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Speaker 1: eyewitnesses said that they could see somebody in the home

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Speaker 1: of Gat West pacing. A man pacing back and forth

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Speaker 1: the whole time. He only popped his head out briefly

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Speaker 1: and said, Hey, that's my wife, and they went back inside.

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Speaker 1: They said all the lights were on in that house,

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Speaker 1: the door was wide open and the man is pacing

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Speaker 1: back and forth while his wife is laying dead in

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Speaker 1: the yard. Well that's not going to help the defense.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,