1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The country was stunned when 2 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: revelations one after the next came out about cult mom 3 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo. I guess as a name we haven't heard 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: in a long time. Between all the other cases crowding 5 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: the headlines, she's all but lost in the sauce. But 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: at Crime Stories, we haven't forgotten JJ entirely. Her two 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: children that were murdered, their bodies dismembered, burned and buried 8 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: out in a pet cemetery, and the husband the new 9 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: husband's backyard. Chad day Bell, what is the very latest? 10 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you 11 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: for being with us here, Fox Nation and Sirius XM 12 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, let's take a listen. You know, 13 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: it never seems to end with this so called prophet, 14 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: Chad day Bell her I think fifth husband. Now we're 15 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: learning that he apparently lied even to the funeral home, 16 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: and the defense wants a jury to believe what he's saying. Now, 17 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: fat chance, take a listen to our cut sixty eight. 18 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: This is Erica Stapleton twelve nis. I'm the pair called 19 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: I Canna help you today. Chandler Police Identifying this voice 20 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: is Chad day Bells, calling Valley of the Sun Mortuary 21 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: and Cemetery in Chandler hours after Charles Valo's death. Charles 22 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: died July eleventh, twenty nineteen, after Laurie's brother Alex Cox 23 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: shot and killed him, according to Chandler Police, and this 24 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: phone call with two different funeral home employees led Chandler 25 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: Pleae to suspect Chad could have had something to do 26 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: with Charles's death too. In the call, Chad gives a 27 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: bogus backstory. He says he lived in Iowa and calls 28 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: himself Chad Debol. He tells both employees that his uncle 29 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: just died in Arizona. For the family. He didn't have 30 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: many nephew, I live in Iowa. He goes on to 31 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: ask for pricing for a cremation and shipping to Louisiana. 32 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: Perfect later, So trying to get a ball park prey, Wow, 33 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: we'll deal with his service later. In other words, throw 34 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: him in. Whatever did she find first? So before I 35 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: introduced everybody, Nate eaten with me East Idaho News dot 36 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: Com on this case the very bagary beginning. He was 37 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: the one that was chasing Lorie Valo down in Hawaii 38 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: where she was hiding out in a luxury condominium trying 39 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: to get away as far as far as she could 40 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: from her children's dead bar Nate Atan. So he disguises 41 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: himself in a phone call and he uses the name 42 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: Chad Dabell as opposed to Chad day Bell. How about 43 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: dumb Bell? I mean, is he really this is how 44 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: he disguises his identity. He says, I'm Chad Dabell d 45 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: A b e l l as opposed to d A 46 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: y b e ll. Did I just hear that? Yeah? 47 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: And the interesting thing, Nancy is when he first how 48 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: do you do it? He's an idiot? How has he 49 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: gotten away with all of this? Why hasn't he gotten 50 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: the death penalty already? Why are we still talking about 51 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: this man? And call it mom, Laurie Valle Chad Dabell seriously, 52 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: And the first reference in that call, when they first 53 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: answered the call, he did actually say it's Chad day Bell. 54 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: And then on the second and then he said the 55 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: bell and kind of a giggle. Sorry, did I not 56 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: give it its correct French pronunciation to bell? Okay, wait 57 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute. Katherine Marshaw Assistant Chief Special 58 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: Vigman's Family Violence Unit joining us from Prince George's County. 59 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: Help me, because I don't understand what I'm hearing. I 60 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: think I'm in the twilight zone. He changes his identity 61 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: to Charles da Bell as opposed to Charles day Bell. Well, 62 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: he doesn't do a good job of it, And it's 63 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: great evidence for trial because it certainly goes to his 64 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: knowledge of this murder before it's even out, as you know, 65 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: the death anywhere else, and we can certainly show he's 66 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: trying to cover up already. Yeah, why change your name 67 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: even though it's a very pathetic attempt to change your name? 68 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: Why change your name when you're calling the funeral home 69 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake? If somebody didn't do something mad? And 70 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: I think the one thing we see from this is 71 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: he attempts all the time to cover up, but not Well, 72 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: I've got to hear this again, okay, Karen Stark and 73 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. Well, I've now introduced the whole panel. 74 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: Katherine Marks joining me. Special Counsel Assistant Chief Special Victim's 75 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: Family Violence Unit joining us. She's at right response Consulting 76 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,559 Speaker 1: dot Com and with no Gray Zoe Podcast. Karen Start, 77 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: renowned New York psychologists, joining us from Manhattan at Karen 78 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: Stark dot com. That's Karen with a se. Joseph Scott Morgan, 79 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, jacksonvill State University, Man. I know this by heart. 80 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon 81 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: and star By brand new hit series which is really good. 82 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: By the way, m Body bags with Joe Scott Morgan. 83 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: I think the title says it all on. iHeart Nate Eaton. 84 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're braced. Jack, you got to play that again. 85 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: I've got to hear Chad Debelle disguising himself, I'm a 86 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: there calls I canna help you today, Chandler Police identifying 87 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: this voice is Chad day Bells calling Valley of the 88 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: Sun Mortuary and Cemetery in Chandler hours after Charles Valo's death. 89 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: Charles died July eleventh, twenty nineteen, after Laurie's brother Alex 90 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: Cox shot and killed him, according to Chandler Police, and 91 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: this phone call with two different funeral home employees led 92 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: Chandler Police to suspect Chad could have had something to 93 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: do with Charles's death too. In the call, Chad gives 94 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: a bogus backstory. He says he lived in Iowa and 95 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: calls himself Chad debel El. He tells both employees that 96 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: his uncle just died in Arizona for the family. He 97 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: didn't have many relative nephew, I lived in Iowa. He 98 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: goes on to ask for pricing for a cremation and 99 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: shipping to Louisiana post later. So trying to get a 100 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: ball park prey, Okay, you know what hauled your thought, 101 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: Karen start because I'm listening to this and as you know, 102 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: I find his attempt to disguise his identity laughable. But 103 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: we have to remember that's connected to not just the 104 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: two dead bodies, a little children, little children, I believed 105 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: it and JJ still have on his pj's Yeah. And 106 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: they completely destroyed Tyley's body. I mean they had JJ 107 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: kind of like hermetically sealed like think of the mummies. 108 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: King tut, how carefully the bodies are preserved. The girl, 109 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: the teen girl, tylely Man. They must have hated her, 110 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 1: but good because she was burned dismember just awful, awful 111 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: what they did to Calt mom's own girl and baby boy. 112 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: So when we're listening to this. I don't know how 113 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: else to say it. There's really no good way to 114 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: say it. Ahole, that's another technical legal term. You know 115 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: you'll be a lawyer yet, Jackie, by the time you 116 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: year all these technical legal terms describing himself. He even 117 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: goes so far as to spell it D A B 118 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: A L as supposed to. Day Bell just got Morgan. 119 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: As much as I have laughed at this and want 120 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: to laugh at it, think about it. Listen to what 121 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: the mysteries he's unlocking. Not many relatives, he says after 122 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: the murder. Not many relatives. In other words, trust me, 123 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm the only relative you're going to find. Do what 124 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: I say. Cremate him now, in other words, get rid 125 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: of the evidence. Then you've got the whole cremation aspect. 126 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: That way, nobody will ever be able to determine what 127 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: happened to Charles Valo. That's Laurie Valo's husband that they 128 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: had to get rid of so she could freely marry 129 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: Chad day Bell. Of course, the two were already apart. 130 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: Remember day Belle still married at this time. So when 131 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: you're hearing all of this, Joe Scott Morgan, he's lying 132 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: about his identity, his location, who he is, and he's 133 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: trying to push along the process of cremation to get 134 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: rid of evidence. This is actually very sinister, it is 135 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: and you know, the word that came to mind for me, Nancy, 136 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: is the word eradication. He wants to wipe the slate 137 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: clean relative to any trace that has been left behind. 138 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: And thinking, I guess that even if they did do 139 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: the examination they recovered evidence relative to Charles Valley's death, 140 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: that they would not be able to go back and 141 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: maybe exhume the body and retrace their steps and try 142 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: to figure out more information. So he's trying to cover 143 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: all of his bases here. Remember, you know, when bodies 144 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: are cremated, unlike what happened on the farm there, with 145 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: an official cremation, those bodies are heated up to eighteen 146 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,479 Speaker 1: hundred degrees Nancy, everything is completely rendered down and dissolved. 147 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace Nate Eton, that's not would 148 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: not have been the first body that she had cremated. 149 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: Cult Mom Laurie Valo, Remember Joseph Ryan, I guess that 150 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: was husband number three. I'm getting the numbers confused. Was 151 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, Hobby three or two, which one was thank you, 152 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: was her third husband. He died in his apartment suddenly 153 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: and was quickly cremated. And so will they believed it 154 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: was some sort of part issue. Will never you know 155 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: visually who believes that. I believe that that was on 156 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: his original cause of death. But obviously they can't reopen 157 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: that investigation because he's gone cremated. He's destroyed. As Jessica 158 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: Morgan said, he's eradicated. We'll never get that evidence back. 159 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: At whose decision wasn't Nate Eton to cremate Husband number three, 160 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan who made that call? That has never been 161 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: officially clear as far as who did it, well, he 162 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: was sounding you know, it was called Mom Laurie Value 163 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: because they called her. She knew about his death. And 164 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: remember his relative says she didn't call them. Yeah, And 165 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: he had been in his apartment dead for quite some time. 166 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: His body was in riga mortis and had been there 167 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: and and and you know Joseph's sister Annie, who I 168 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: know you've interviewed, She's raised a lot of questions about that. 169 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: And then you've got husband four, Charles, who was quickly cremated. 170 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: Of course, let me restart my flow chart of all 171 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: the dead bodies. Charles Valoe's shot dead by Laurie Valoe 172 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: and her brother who was holding the gun, Alex Cox. 173 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: You've got Joseph Ryan. Husband three, Tylie's dad who Coltman 174 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: put it out and died of a heart attack. But 175 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: he was so far decomposed and now cremated. We'll never 176 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: know who was husband number one. We don't know much 177 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: about husband number one and two. Husband one was Lorie 178 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: was young, she was I believe eighteen, and that marriage 179 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: didn't last long and he has remained out of the 180 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: spotlight along with husband number two. Are they alive? They 181 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: are alive. Yeah, well they better take that and run. 182 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: Then we've got day Bell, Okay. Now, yeah, there's so 183 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: many husbands and so many dead bodies it's hard to 184 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: keep it all straight. And we can't leave out Tammy 185 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: day Bell. That would be Chad de Belle's wife. Okay. 186 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: So we have him Karen Stark, and he's lying about 187 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: something that would seem to be innocent, right calling the 188 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: funeral home about how to deal with Valo's body, but 189 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: instead he lies about his identity, where he is in 190 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: the world, the state, the jurisdiction he's in, even how 191 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: to spell his last name. All he wants is that 192 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: body cremated pronto way in. Well, if you think about it, Nancy, 193 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: and mean to me, this is coming very easily to him, 194 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: even if the way he says his name is so 195 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: similar to the name that he actually has. But he's 196 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: a very proficient liar, and that doesn't surprise me at all. 197 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who can just realist 198 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: any kind of story that he needs to in order 199 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: to cover his tracks. That's the kind of killer that 200 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: he is. But yet, Catherine Marsh, when this thing finally 201 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: goes to trial, I would be so tempted to play 202 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: this right at the very beginning of the state's case, 203 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: but there's so many other more important things to play. 204 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: They are going to want a jury to believe what 205 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: Chad day Bell is telling them. When we know he 206 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: even lives to the funeral home. Why should did jury 207 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: believe anything he says? Absolutely? And that's what's going to 208 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: be so important is putting up every single lie, no 209 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: matter how innocuous or innocent it may seem. From this 210 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: call to the funeral home text messages, he said, one 211 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: lie after another after another paints the picture that he's 212 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: a diabolical liar who cannot be believed. And not only 213 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: did Lorie Valo lie through her teeth along with Hobby 214 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: number five Chat Daybill, they also smeared Charles valos reputation. 215 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: Take it loosen ourcut sixty six. You are hearing Adam Cox, 216 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: brother Adam Cox speaking and he is with Detective Nathan Moffatt. 217 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: Listen to the smear on Charles Valo's name. When Charles died, 218 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: the way my family said was that Charles try to 219 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: hurt Tilly and Alex protected Tyley. That was the story 220 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: that Laurie and Alex told my family, So they considered 221 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Alex a hero at one point because he protected Tyley 222 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: from Charles, which turned out to be in my mind faults. 223 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: Turns out all the things that Charles told me were 224 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: true and is unfortunate that everybody else shut him out. 225 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: Charles had never been violent with anybody, So you kind 226 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: of start getting a bigger picture of this just doesn't 227 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: feel right. Well, it took how many bodies later till 228 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: they figured out it just didn't feel right. You were 229 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: hearing not only the brother Adam Cox speaking, Detective Nathan Moffatt. 230 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: But our friends at ABC twenty twenty speaking, that's from them. Okay, 231 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: back to you, Nate Eton. So you've got this string 232 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: of dead bodies, and now we hear lying to the 233 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: funeral home even on a very simple matter, and the 234 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: lies that they told about Charles Valoe trying to justify 235 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: the fact that Laurie Valoe and our brother shot him dead. Yeah, 236 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: that phone call was made to the funeral home twelve 237 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: hours after Charles was shot and killed. Remember, Chad was 238 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: in Idaho. This all happened in Arizona, and this was 239 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: four months before Tammy, Chad's wife died, also three months 240 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: before Laurie's children died. So it seems as if their 241 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: plans started in motion with the death of Charles there 242 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: in July and as they were able to in their 243 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: minds get rid of anybody that came in their way. 244 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: I mean these documents, so that they were willing to 245 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: do whatever it took in their eyes to fulfill God's purposes. 246 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: That's what they said. This kind of started the whole thing. Charles, 247 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: then Laurie moves to Idaho, then JJ, then Tylie and 248 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: then Tammy, and then they take up to Hawaii, and 249 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: it was one thing after another after another, and somehow 250 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: the lives of jj N Tyley are lost in the sauce. Well, 251 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: it's not just that that we're hearing now from Lorie 252 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: Valo cult mom and her husband, they so called profit 253 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: Chad day Bell. They are now claiming there's a quote 254 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: vast conspiracy to put Laurie Valo behind bars. She's doing 255 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: that all on her own. Take a listen to our 256 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: cut seventy one. This is Michael Didna twelve News Listen 257 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: and documents. Valodaville's attorney, Mark Means claims that mcconky called 258 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: the prosecution and suggest that members of the LDS Church 259 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: may be working with the prosecution to hurt Valoda Bell's case. 260 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: Right now, we have no idea exactly what Laurie Valo 261 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: said or did not say. The prosecution says claims made 262 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: in the documents are unfounded, but Valodavill's defense team is 263 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: asking for a judge to let them talk to all 264 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: of those involved to figure out what was said and 265 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: potentially keep it out of court. So right now, these 266 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: motions or to protect Laurie Valow and to make sure 267 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: that none of this sees the light of day in courts. Yeah, 268 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. Cafe and Marshall Catherine marsh Special 269 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: counsel joining us at Right Response Consulting dot Com. Catherine, 270 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: The constitution protects you from overreaching by the state. In 271 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: other words, police can't beat you into a confession. They 272 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: can't coerce you into a confession. You are protected against 273 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: questioning by any state authority or even someone working for 274 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: a state, such as a plant behind bars. No, but 275 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: the constitution cannot protect you from gabbing to all your 276 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: friends and your cult movement. Now they're claiming that members 277 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: within their cult or their friend group are now all 278 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: gathering together in a conspiracy to hurt cult mom Lorie Value. 279 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: That's not true. No, And in fact, it's one of 280 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: those perfect exceptions to hearsay. It's a statement against interest. 281 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: And if you go and tell somebody what you did, 282 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: or you tell them any fie that are harmful to you, 283 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: they all get to come into court. And so the 284 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: fact that she went and told friends or she told 285 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: other people, the defense is not going to be able 286 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: to keep that out. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Nate 287 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: eaton joining must but on the case from the very 288 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: very beginning. You know, I just had a flash of 289 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: when you first revealed to me Nate eaton that storage unit, 290 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: video of Chad day Bell excuse me, Chad to Belle 291 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: grabbing laur Valo's rear end when they were in that 292 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: storage unit storing all of Tyley in JJ's stuff because 293 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: they were dead and they were so lighthearted, grabbing each 294 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: other and giggling and laughing and kissing, storing her dead 295 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: children's belongings. They're ghouls. They're ghouls. But back to this, 296 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: what are they saying that Valos prior friends and fellow 297 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: cult members are putting in the fix they're trying to 298 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: do We're in. Yeah, So her defense attorney made a 299 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: big deal because right now Lorie, everything's on hold with Lorie. 300 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: She's at the State psychiatric hospital. They're working to get 301 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: her competent for trial. And so her previous defense attorney, 302 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: who was no longer on the case, claimed that somebody 303 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: with the Department of Health and Welfare tried to give 304 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: her legal counsel or encourage her to seek other legal counsel. 305 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: And because of that, there needs to be an investigation 306 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: into the psychiatrists who are dealing with her, and that 307 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: she reached out to church members for help, and I 308 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: think I think the bottom line here is it appears 309 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: that her defense attorneys are trying to do anything they 310 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: can to not get her competent. They do not want 311 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: to see her go to trial, whereas Chad's trial is 312 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: set for a year from now, and a lot of 313 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: people believe it's because the prosecution wants to try these 314 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: two together. They want them in the courtroom together so 315 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: that when one of them speaks out against the other, 316 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: the other, can you rebuttle it her or whatever they 317 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: need to do, because one can imagine that Chad's defense 318 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: right now is going to be point the finger at Laurie, 319 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: point the finger at Alex, point the finger, point the finger. 320 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: She's incompetent, she can't defend herself right now, and Alex 321 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: is dead. So if you can get those two in 322 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: the courtroom, then a lot more could come out of it. 323 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: I think when you look at the planning that went 324 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: into murder Charles Valo and the planning that went into 325 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: murdering Tammy day Bell, it's really hard to believe that 326 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan died of natural causes that just doesn't even 327 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: sound right. Okay, this is what I'm talking about. Take 328 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seventy three. After Charles Valo 329 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: was killed, Laurie's friends say they started taking her comments 330 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: more seriously, including her statements that she had paid her 331 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: brother Alex Cox to kill her her third husband, Joe Ryan. 332 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: Now Alex is connected to every death attributed to Laurie Valo. 333 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: There's got to be somewhere where they've talked us through, 334 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: because Laurie and Alex plan Joe's death. Right after Laurie's 335 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: fourth husband, Charles Valo was killed, Adam Cox started raising 336 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: red flags about Lorie's self defense justification. Adam is Laurie's 337 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: older brother and Charles's confidant or thinks that death is nothing. 338 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: When Laurie's other brother, Alex Cox Shutting killed Charles, Adam 339 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: told detectives there was more to consider the history with 340 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: Laurie and Alex and Laurie's ex husband's. Yeah, and so 341 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: there's a whole pattern of things there. So you say, 342 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: all of the comments leading up to her the murder 343 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: of Charles Valo, But what about Tammy day Bill. Take 344 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: a list of our cut sixty three. This is reporter 345 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: Garna Mahea with KSL. Tammy was supposed to die on 346 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: her trow to Utah. She was supposed to have a 347 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: she was like he had seen it in a vision 348 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: that she was going to die at heart accident. But 349 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: when Tammy didn't die as predicted, Chad claimed she was 350 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: a zombie. According to Zulema, they were saying was that 351 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: she actually did hathaway, but what happened was that she 352 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: was taken over by an evil spirit. Days before Charles 353 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: Vallo was shot and killed by Alex Detective Say, Charles 354 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: discovered Chad and Laurie's infidelity. In an email, Charles confronted Chad, 355 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: telling him to come cleaner he would quote expose them 356 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: Detective say. Charles also sent an email to Tammy, saying 357 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: him part quote, I have some disturbing information regarding your 358 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: husband and my wife. In later text messages, Charles told 359 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: Lorie he planned on going to Idaho to meet with Tammy. 360 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: Lorie replied, quote, she won't see you. She is my friend. 361 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: Go ahead, You're ridiculous. So we see all the planning 362 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: leading up to these murders. Nate eight joined me East 363 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: Idaho News dot Com. I'm quoting them, Tammy was supposed 364 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: to die on our trip to Utah because he saw 365 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: it in a vision she was going to die and 366 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: at car accent, What did he plan a car accident 367 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: that he couldn't pull off? Well, that's a good question. 368 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: Two weeks before Tammy died, Jack came to her and said, 369 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: you really need to go see your family in Utah, 370 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: about three hours away. She had never they always went 371 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: as a family. It wasn't like she would go by 372 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: herself a lot. And she said, well, let's go, and 373 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: he said, no, I think you need to go. You 374 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: need to go by yourself, and so she did. She 375 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: went down. She had a great weekend with her family. 376 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: It was the last weekend they spent together. She didn't 377 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: mention anything, according to her family, about marital problems or 378 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: that she she suspected Chad was having an affair. She 379 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: got in the car, she drove back home. Text messages 380 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: revealed it. Chad then was texting with Laurie and saying 381 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: she's still here. Okay, now what do we do? And 382 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: of course two weeks later, ten days after that, she 383 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: dies in her sleep and is quickly buried. Okay, I'm 384 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: also learning that Laurie Vello's own brother, Nate Eton, says 385 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: that quote, jail has not brought her any closer to reality. 386 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Yeah, So Laurie communicates with their mother, 387 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: according to Adam Cox, and has been since she was arrested, 388 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, nearly two years ago. This is through letters, 389 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: through phone calls, and apparently none of her behavior has changed. 390 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: It has been Jesus has told me to do this. 391 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: I am doing the right thing. And one would think 392 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: that maybe if there were steps taken to restore competency, 393 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: that there might be some changes. You're right and what 394 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 1: you say, and maybe we start to realize what's happened. 395 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: And according to the brother, that has not happened. Straight 396 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: out to Karen, start joining us, renowned psychologists joining us 397 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: out of Manhattan. I don't see that as insanity, because 398 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: insanity means you don't know right from wrong. At the 399 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: time of the incident, and the fact that they spirited 400 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: the children away, hid their whereabouts, lied to police officers 401 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: and everyone else about their whereabouts, try to destroy their 402 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: bodies and bury them surreptitiously. That tells me they knew 403 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: what they did was wrong. So explain to me what's 404 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: happening right now? She's not insane. No, it doesn't sound 405 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: much she's insane because they definitely planed it and knew 406 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: what they were doing. And look at all the body 407 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: said piled up. But she's doing things like she's dancing 408 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: in her cell at night and to music that's closly 409 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: is in her head. Jodi Arius did that too. That 410 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: didn't make her crazy, Jodi Arius, if you will remember 411 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: saying and amazing grace, it didn't she saying amazing grace 412 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: when she was being interrogated and stood on her head. 413 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: That means nothing to me. So it's a day late 414 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: and a dollar short to start calling on the Lord 415 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: after you've already committed the murder and now you're worried 416 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: and willing to do anything to save your own skin. 417 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: Not impressed. So what at the most could this be? 418 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: And I was speaking about mentally and emotionally, what I'm 419 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: getting at is when are we taking this thing to trial? Yeah, 420 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: they need to get her to be able to pass 421 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: the test with the psychologists that are interviewing her, and 422 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: so they're talking about her not taking her medications. The 423 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: truth is if she staycotic, she needs to take the 424 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: medications because that will make a big difference. And it 425 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: turns out Nancy, the people who are suffering from delusions, 426 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: they don't like to take some medications because they enjoyed 427 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: being in that state. So somewhere there's some kind of 428 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: truth going on with her. But clearly she knows enough 429 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: to be able to kill Annette's husband, to kill her children, 430 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: to supposedly kill her brother allegedly. So she's very sly 431 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: you left out, Tammy Davil, Oh, that's truth you got. 432 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: I think she killed Joseph Ryan or how her brother 433 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: do it? Because isn't there evidence Nate Eton that her 434 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: brother Alex Cox had wanted to kill Joe Ryan before. Yeah, 435 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: they did not have a good relationship and there they 436 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: hated each other from from all accounts from the beginning 437 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: and Lorie just did not like him, and there was 438 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: custody issues with the kids, and it got pretty heated 439 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: in the court case and finally they got divorce. From 440 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: what we understand, Laurie was dragging getting a divorce. They 441 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: got the divorce, they separated, and it was after they 442 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: were divorced that he died at a young age too. 443 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was, you know, in his seventies 444 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: or eighties with a heart attack. He was young. Wow, 445 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: I wonder what happened crime stories with Nancy Grace Nate Eton. 446 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: I think you're being a little reserved on whether she 447 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: masterminded the death a third husband, Joe Ryan. Take a 448 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at k S. L Lorie and 449 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: her third husband, Joe Ryan, had a bitter custody battle 450 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 1: over their daughter Tylie Ryan, including Alex's two thousand and 451 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: seven physical assault of Joe. They planned out how they 452 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: were going to kill Joe, and I was gonna tasor him, 453 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: throw him in the trunk and take him out to 454 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: a field and shoot him and then bury him. Well, 455 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: I went to tasor him and it didn't work, and 456 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: Joe called the cops and I went to Joel. Laurie 457 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: even told her friends, but Laurie had said before that 458 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: she hired her brother to kill Joe because of stuff 459 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: he did to him. Joe survived, she said, eventually, Joe's 460 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: gonna die for what he did. And in twenty eighteen, 461 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: Joe did die of an apparent heart attack in Arizona. 462 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: And it's odd that Joe, her ex husband, supposedly died 463 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: of a heart attack when they were desperate for money, 464 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: and he left her fifty thousand and time he gets 465 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: two thousand. Yeah, that is quite a kinky jing, isn't it. 466 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan what I call it. It's not a coincidence, 467 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: but evidence, circumstantial evidence, said they also Martyd Joseph Ryan. Yeah, 468 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: I think it is. And you know, reflect back to 469 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: what was said earlier Nancy. When he was found he 470 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: was I think in an advanced state of decomposition. So 471 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: that's going to compromise any kind of findings, physical fundings 472 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: that you might have, say something as passive as a 473 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: suffocation or something like this, and not to mention, it's 474 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: going to compromise that. Decomposition may very well compromise any 475 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: kind of agent that he may have had in the system, 476 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: any kind of medication, say something you know, it's always 477 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: kind of my default position, but you know, something like 478 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: a hibbanol or a date rape jug or something like 479 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: that that you can render you unconscious. Therefore you can 480 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: compromise the airway and kill them decomposed like that, and 481 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: there's nothing you can really do to go back and 482 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: find out exactly what happened. And this guy was of 483 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: course cremated. I mean, also, Nate Eaton, how do I 484 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: have to hit you over the head with it. You've 485 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: got Adam the brother claiming Alex tried to kill Joe 486 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: but the plan failed. Then we have Joe calling the 487 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: cops and Alex actually going to jail, and then we 488 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: have them plotting and planning. We have called mom Laurie 489 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: Valle predicting that third husband Joseph Ryan would die and 490 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: then bam he did. Wow that doesn't add up to 491 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: and two doesn't they? Well? Four for you, Nate Aton, 492 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: if it doesn't take a listen to our cut seventy 493 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: five ksl April Raymond, another friend of Laurie's from Hawaii, 494 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: told detectives Laurie went to see her right after Joe's death. 495 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: My understanding, if I remember correctly what she told me, 496 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: is that they hadn't heard from Joe for about a month, 497 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: and so she entyly went over to chare on him 498 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: or to see him, because I guess Tylie had a 499 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: key or something, and when they went there they had 500 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: found him dead. But according to Phoenix police, it was 501 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: a neighbor who detected a foul smell and called nine 502 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: one one. Apparently, Laurie never informed Joe's family of his death. 503 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: Joe's sister Annie Cushing says a medical examiner told her 504 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: no one claimed his body. Now police and Phoenix briefly 505 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: revisited Joe Ryan's case earlier this year, but they were 506 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: not able to find a connection to Laurie Valo. Can't 507 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: find a connection, Nate Eaton. You know, when you lie 508 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: about who finds a dead body, when you claim Tyley 509 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: found the body, when it was not Tyle. It was 510 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: a neighbor that smell the stench of human decomposition that 511 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: found the body. When you have a prior attempt on 512 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: his life by carlt Mom's angel of death her brother 513 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: that didn't work. When you have her prophesying Joe Ryan 514 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: is going to die and then he does die. I mean, 515 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: why would she lie about the detail of who found 516 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: the body unless she's covering something up. Nate Eaton, Well, 517 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: that's a good question. This isn't the first time that 518 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: we first time and the only time that she has 519 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: apparently lied. I mean that she's been caught on tape 520 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: right after Charles died, calling the insurance company Charles husband 521 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: number four saying my husband died. They're trying to figure 522 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: out how he died, trying to cash in on that 523 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: one million dollars insurance policy, thinking she's the beneficiary, and 524 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: then she gets the letters saying you're not the beneficiary, 525 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: it's your sister so and it's so unclear at this point, 526 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: we haven't been able to nail down if she received 527 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: any insurance money when Joseph Ryan died, because all of 528 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: these other deaths there was money tied to them. How 529 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: mad Karen start, Do you believe cult mom Laurie Valo 530 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: was when she realizes that Charles Valo is dead and 531 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: she is no longer the beneficiary, fifty thousand dollars right 532 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: down the crapper. Well, can you imagine Nancy getting that 533 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: kind of news. I mean, here's somebody that supposed lye 534 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: is insane, but smart enough to have all of these 535 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: murders occur, and then from beyond the grave kind of 536 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: revenge that Charles did by making sure that she was 537 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: not the beneficiary. It also makes you wonder how much 538 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: she was afraid and fear for his own life. As 539 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, take a listen to this. We 540 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: were so grateful only mainly for the fact that Laurie 541 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: was not the beneficiary. We know that's why she killed him. Absolutely, no, 542 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: that's why she killed him. She wanted that million dollars 543 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: and because that's all this is about. So then I 544 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: can't tell you the exact date, but maybe two weeks 545 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: later she sent a she took a screen of picture 546 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: of the change of beneficiary form and naming me the 547 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: soul beneficiary of the insurance policy of the insurance proceeds, 548 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: and she texts she sent me that picture, and she 549 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: sent a text saying five kids and no money and 550 00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: his sister gets everything. And that is the last not transaction, 551 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: the last contact I've ever had with Laurie since since 552 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: all this began. You were there hearing, kay, who is 553 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 1: Charles Valow's sister. When he became so worried about Laurie 554 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: Valo being around the children, he named his sister beneficiary. 555 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: He thought he could die and he wanted his sister 556 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: to take care of the children. So there you here, 557 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: called my Laurie Valo complaining, Mama five and no money 558 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: and you get all the all the life insurance. Well 559 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: they're no longer five children because she murdered two of them, 560 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: along with her lover turned husband. So question to you, 561 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: where does it all stand right now, Nate Eden. We 562 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: wait for the trial right now, Chad. From what I understand, 563 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: he goes into the little tiny library at the jail 564 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: every day. He's got a computer and he goes through 565 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: the evidence that his defense attorney has provided him. And 566 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: they tell me that they are planning to take this 567 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: all the way to trial. The trial could be anywhere 568 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: from six to ten weeks. It's scheduled for January of 569 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Laurie. Meanwhile, they're working to get her 570 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: restored to competency. Prosecutor really wants to try these two together, 571 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: so if that happens, the competency restoration happens soon. There's 572 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: a chance that could happen in January. This is a 573 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: death penalty case, so they could face the death penalty. 574 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: And we wait. The trial has been moved to the 575 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: other side of the state. They're hoping to get an 576 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: unbiased jury and you see what happens. Well, God willing, 577 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: I'll see you, Nate Eton on the front row when 578 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: that jury is struck. We wait as justice unfolds. We 579 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: have not forgotten JJ entirely. We haven't forgotten Tammy day Bell, 580 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: Charles Valo, Joseph Ryan, Nancy, Grace Crumb Story signing off goodbye, 581 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: my friend,