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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giant Subtle Podcast, our special preview of

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Speaker 1: the Giants and Cowboys. You can find the Giant Subtle

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Speaker 1: Podcast on Giants dot com, Slash podcast to Giants Mobile

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Speaker 1: app your favorite podcast platforms. Today we're gonna talk to

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Speaker 1: Giants head coach Joe Judge. We're gonna have Mickey Spagnola

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Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys dot com to preview the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna talk to Giants starting center Billy Price.

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Speaker 1: And now we're joined by Giants starting center Billy Price. Billy,

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Speaker 1: good to talking man. How are you appreciate it? Man?

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me doing well? Just getting off

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Speaker 1: the field right now and we are another good week

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Speaker 1: of prep end in the Dallas all right. So your

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Speaker 1: offensive line group now, finally after the first you know,

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Speaker 1: seven eight weeks of the season where it seemed like

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Speaker 1: you had a different kind of different spot, you guys

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Speaker 1: have kind of been together now with most of the

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Speaker 1: guys in the same spots for a good handful of weeks.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel like the group is coming together

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Speaker 1: in the progress you've made over that time. I think

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Speaker 1: there's been this progress. Offensive line is a lot is

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Speaker 1: all about continuity and understanding in the chemistry and understanding

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Speaker 1: how each guy plays, how each guy sees the defense,

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Speaker 1: and how we attack certain blocks. I gotta give a

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Speaker 1: lot of credits to coach Sale, coach Wolkerson, coach Flats.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about it, there were nine of us

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Speaker 1: with some rotational stuff. UM guys have stepped in. We've

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Speaker 1: handled what we had to. You know again, uh, fans

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Speaker 1: may say one thing, but I think that you know

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Speaker 1: what's going on in our room is we're continuing to

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Speaker 1: make progress. And even at even at this late point

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Speaker 1: in the season, just coming off of playing l A,

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Speaker 1: we and we've still got things to continue to grow to.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about l A. I thought you guys

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Speaker 1: probably ran the ball as well as you have all year,

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Speaker 1: So a lot of holes, a lot of room for

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Speaker 1: were able to create as much space as you did

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Speaker 1: against that Chargers defense? And the first and foremost is

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Speaker 1: about execution. Again. You you look at the front up

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Speaker 1: in creating those lanes and creating those those avenues for

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Speaker 1: reeds are, especially on certain concepts, and how we run

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Speaker 1: the ball. You know, they hit those hill they hit

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Speaker 1: I think he's I think it's kind of both. Again.

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Speaker 1: think how we understand what se Kwan really likes? Again,

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Speaker 1: money on ci Kwan every time. So understanding how that again,

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Speaker 1: You think it is an offensive line if you need

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Speaker 1: so that we can see things anticipate things better. Interesting

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Speaker 1: But having your tackles be able to see both things

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. And again, the more the more people up

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Speaker 1: member by calling eight eight NYG. Now, let's go inside

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys and Mickey Spagnola he talks to our very

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Speaker 1: own lands medalum pauled the Tino. The Giants at Cowboys

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Speaker 1: meet for the second time this season on Sunday a

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Speaker 1: MetLife Stadium after Dallas won the first matchup in week

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Speaker 1: five forty were to twenty had to get more into

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys were now joined by Mickey Spagnola from Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com. Mickey got Lance Meadow and Paul Detino here.

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Speaker 1: Always good to talk with you. Appreciate the time. How's

446
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Speaker 1: everything on your end? Uh? Pretty good? Appreciated Lance, Paul,

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Speaker 1: Good to talk with you guys. Well, normally we'd be

448
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Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys defense. It seems Mickey had previous years.

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Speaker 1: It seems now entering this game, it's the offense that

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Speaker 1: actually has been put onto the microscope. I want to

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Speaker 1: start there. Ever, since Dak returned from the calf injury,

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Speaker 1: a lot has been discussed that maybe the offense is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily putting the same amount of points on the board.

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Speaker 1: We saw the Raiders game on Thanksgiving. They had thirty six,

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Speaker 1: one for six in the red zone against Washington. What

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Speaker 1: do you make if at all, if this Cowboys offense

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Speaker 1: is in a slump as some people are referring to, Well,

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Speaker 1: obviously they haven't been scoring at a rate that they

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Speaker 1: I think spoiled people with early in the season, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of a weird thing because it's indicative of

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Speaker 1: how well they were playing off pensively. Early you know,

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Speaker 1: they were the number one offense, number one scoring offense,

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Speaker 1: and even after this, as you used the word quote

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Speaker 1: unquote slump. Now they're the number two scoring offense and

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Speaker 1: the number two total offense. So that tells you how

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Speaker 1: far ahead they were of uh everyone else when uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the in the last couple of games, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, they've they've the offense part of it has

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Speaker 1: scored no mara than twenty points and against Kansas City

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Speaker 1: they scored nine. But then there were a couple of

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Speaker 1: games in there that got overlooked. Against Atlanta they put

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Speaker 1: up uh forty three and in the loss to the

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Speaker 1: Raiders they scored thirty three. So, uh, yeah, it's been

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Speaker 1: kind of up and down. I heard somebody uh kind

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Speaker 1: of compare it to the rolling blackouts we had last

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Speaker 1: year in February. It's a rolling blackout offense. It's like

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. Um, you know. The

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Speaker 1: weird thing in this last game against Washington, and you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: uh you know they were one for they were actually

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Speaker 1: one for five on normal possessions inside the red zone.

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Speaker 1: The last one was a kneel down at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game, but they got into the red zone,

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Speaker 1: they just didn't score uh touchdowns, They only scored one,

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Speaker 1: kicked four field goals, and they always seemed to have

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Speaker 1: something go wrong once they got in there. Uh. Kellen

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Speaker 1: Moore referred to it. It drives me crazy. They would

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Speaker 1: have a sack or two sacks. They would have a

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Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback where he's got to throw the

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Speaker 1: ball away. Uh. They had a couple of penalties, they

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Speaker 1: had a drop. Just weird stuff happened once they got

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Speaker 1: inside the twenty. So uh, yeah, they got to clean

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Speaker 1: this up. Uh. And to me, to get this thing

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Speaker 1: back on track, the offensive line has to play better.

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Speaker 1: They need to get some continuity on that line. They

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Speaker 1: had lost Tyrann Smith for three games during the early stretch.

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Speaker 1: After that. Uh they had on the six and one

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Speaker 1: um and then they tried to change guard play at

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Speaker 1: the left guard. I don't think that worked out so well.

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Speaker 1: And so the offensive line, it's like, you know, everybody

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Speaker 1: wants to say, well, Deck's not playing well, well, Zeke's

501
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Speaker 1: not playing well. Well, Okay, but it's the offensive line

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Speaker 1: that causes those things to happen, in my opinion, and

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Speaker 1: they've got to get back with some continuity. Although now

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Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith's gonna miss this game. Uh. He aggravated the

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Speaker 1: ankle injury that he had previously. Uh, and they'll have

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Speaker 1: to make an adjustment there. But yeah, Uh, they got

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Speaker 1: to get going if this team's gonna do what it

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Speaker 1: wants to do, Mickey. This year, it seems as though

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Speaker 1: the mixture between Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard has been

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Speaker 1: a little bit more Pollard than what we've seen in

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Speaker 1: the first few years of his career, as they try

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Speaker 1: to edge him forward to be more involved in the mix.

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Speaker 1: As it's going. Now, what is the pattern that the

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Speaker 1: Cowboy use in changing these guys in and out? Well,

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Speaker 1: they'll they'll have um designated plays uh to bring Pollard in.

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Speaker 1: And now with me with Zeke, you know, having a

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Speaker 1: little problems with the knee. You know, he keeps playing

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Speaker 1: through it. Uh. They try not to overload him. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and then every you know, so often they'll give Pollard

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Speaker 1: a series. But it's not like putting Pollard in their

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Speaker 1: solves their running woes. Uh. It still causes a problem.

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Speaker 1: You know, the game he had the fifty eight yard

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Speaker 1: touchdown run, Uh, and every everybody got all excited about it,

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Speaker 1: but he had like other than that. His other seven

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Speaker 1: carries went for two and a half yards. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: uh it's great if you can spring those every once

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Speaker 1: in a while. But it's not like he's out there

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Speaker 1: pounding it away and and you know, taking over the

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Speaker 1: running back job. So I think that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: way they're doing it, um really gives him a one

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Speaker 1: two punch. And you know, Zeke runs at one pace,

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Speaker 1: Pollard runs at a different pace, and I think the

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Speaker 1: changeup really surprises the defenses. And that's what happened in

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Speaker 1: that New Orleans game when he had the fifty eight

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Speaker 1: yard touchdown run. It's like he got on the outside

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Speaker 1: and the Saints safety figured, okay, I got the angle,

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Speaker 1: I got to him while he misjudged Pollard's speed and

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Speaker 1: and and Pollard ran right by him. Uh So, it's

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Speaker 1: a good one two punch that they've got going now

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Speaker 1: if they can just consistently run the ball. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to run it more, but they need

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Speaker 1: to run it more effectively. And to me, that's on

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Speaker 1: the offensive line to start creating better holes. Well, Mickey,

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Speaker 1: I want to peggyback over your point about the offensive

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Speaker 1: line because you continue to bring that up, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's a fair point. It seems to me, not

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Speaker 1: just this season, but in years past. Every time Tyrnn

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Speaker 1: Smith is out of the lineup, the Cowboys look to

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Speaker 1: be a completely different offense. And he's missed three games,

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Speaker 1: They're one and two without him this season. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: he's definitely out this week. How are they going to

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Speaker 1: go about filling in for him? I know they have

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Speaker 1: Terrence Steele is an option. They also have Taie in Secky.

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Speaker 1: And why do you think the removal of Tyrne Smith

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Speaker 1: impacts this team so much over the last few seasons?

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Speaker 1: Because number one, he's so good, uh. Number two, they

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Speaker 1: really haven't had uh credible backups to replace him. Now,

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Speaker 1: Steele was you know, it was the first time when

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Speaker 1: those three games he missed for him to play the

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Speaker 1: left tackle spot. You know, he was a undrafted rookie

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Speaker 1: last year played right tackle for him. Uh And and

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Speaker 1: he struggled, and you know, predictably so, but he came

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Speaker 1: back stronger, uh and I think more prepared to play

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. And he did a better job when

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Speaker 1: he was playing for ELC Collins at the at the

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Speaker 1: right tackle spot, so they moved them to left and yeah,

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Speaker 1: it it was a little bit of a shock what

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Speaker 1: happens over there to him, but then he settled down.

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Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, you mentioned him, You mentioned ty Nissecki.

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Speaker 1: I think steals better than Nissecki. Uh. Ni Secki is

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Speaker 1: kind of at the end of his career. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's been in the NFC East before and so this

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Speaker 1: time around. Uh, if we're just looking at how they

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Speaker 1: did it logically last time, you would think that the

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Speaker 1: steel would be back out at left tackle. Uh. They

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Speaker 1: really haven't had a full practice. I think the Giants

577
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Speaker 1: did the same thing. The Cowboys had a really light

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Speaker 1: practice on Wednesday, and we'll see more today on just

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Speaker 1: maybe which way they're going at left tackle. But if

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Speaker 1: if I was using my logic, I would think it's

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Speaker 1: Terrence Steele. One other thing on the offense, mickey, before

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Speaker 1: we flip it to the other side. You know, you

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Speaker 1: look at those receivers, Lamb and Cooper and Wilson and Gallup,

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Speaker 1: each of them have had at least a one hundred

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Speaker 1: yard game this season. But it's Dalton Schultz, the tight end,

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Speaker 1: who was second on the club in number of receptions.

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Speaker 1: How important is he to what Prescott's trying to do?

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Speaker 1: Does he look at him like when the Cowboys of

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Speaker 1: old looked at Witton as the security blanket in key

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Speaker 1: and troublesome situations. They've used him an awful lot. And

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Speaker 1: after they lost Blake Jarwin um this time. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are other tight ends really aren't pass catching tight ends.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they're blocking tight ends either, by

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Speaker 1: the way, um, But yeah, he's kind of been the

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Speaker 1: tight end target and uh yeah, he's been pretty good.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you watched this last game, Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's what Doc was trying to do when he got

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Speaker 1: when he got ticked off for the pick six there

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Speaker 1: when they were trying to close out the game, they

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Speaker 1: ran one of those reverse boots to the right and

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Speaker 1: he was looking for Schultz and he had a defender

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Speaker 1: in his face and he should have thrown the ball

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Speaker 1: into the bench and he tried to fit one in

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Speaker 1: and he got picked off. But uh, they have gone

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Speaker 1: to Schultz in some of those critical situations, short yardage

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Speaker 1: situations on the goal line. He's been awfully good too.

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Speaker 1: Uh So yeah, and it's not you know, I think

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of people are surprised, but last year

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Speaker 1: because the Cowboys were so pitiful at six and ten. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he actually after Jarwin you know, tours a c l

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Speaker 1: in the season opener, he ended up with sixty three catches. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And they're not a lot of tight ends not named

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Speaker 1: you know, Witten or Novo Check that have caught sixty

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Speaker 1: three catches for the Cowboys in their history. Uh. So, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they relied on him quite a bit and it gives

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Speaker 1: them another alternative for team against teams that maybe one

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Speaker 1: double team some of their other wide receivers, especially having

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Speaker 1: another receiver come out of the slot along with Cede

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Speaker 1: Lamp we're talking without Mickey Spagnola from Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Is the Cowboys and the Giants for the second time

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. Mickey, I want to flip over to the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, and that probably has been

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Speaker 1: the most impressive facet of this team based on how

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Speaker 1: they performed last season, which you hit on since they

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00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: last played the Giants, it seems as if a big

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Speaker 1: storyline is the reinforcements that have come back to Marcus

627
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Speaker 1: Lawrence is back, Neville Gallimore is back, and oh Randy

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Speaker 1: Gregory played in the first matchup he had missed time.

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Speaker 1: How much more dangerous, how much more continuity has been

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Speaker 1: showcased on the defensive side of the ball with dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn since they've returned some of those notable players. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a whole heck of a lot. Uh And and really

633
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Speaker 1: this last game, UH really showcase what they're capable of doing.

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Speaker 1: You know, the previous game known to Marcus Lawrence had

635
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Speaker 1: come back, but that was his first game and he

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Speaker 1: played limited snaps. It was his first game since the

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Speaker 1: season opener. Uh. And then they got Randy Gregory back.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Gallimore back and all those things. Having two

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Speaker 1: defensive ends to play together like that the way they projected, uh,

640
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Speaker 1: really really can make a difference, especially now they've got

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Speaker 1: the chess piece of Michael Parsons. You know, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to just line up at left defensive end or

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Speaker 1: right defensive end on whatever play. They can create a

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Speaker 1: five man line. They can line four guys up Lawrence

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Speaker 1: on one side, Gregory on the other, and stand up

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Speaker 1: Parsons in the middle. Uh. You know, behind the defensive

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Speaker 1: tackles uh and, and offenses don't know if he's coming,

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Speaker 1: if he's dropping into coverage. If he's shadowing the quarterback

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Speaker 1: or or if he's you know, sitting there at middle

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Speaker 1: linebacker to play the run. So it's given them a

651
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Speaker 1: lot of alternatives of how to use Michael Parsons. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and boy he's been awfully good too, so to have

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Speaker 1: all those Prior to this last game against Washington, Dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn talked about having all those guys back on the

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Speaker 1: field because previously all of them together had only played

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Speaker 1: twenty eight snaps and that was all in the season opener.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you would think what you mentioned, the word continuity.

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Speaker 1: If they get all those guys back on the field

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Speaker 1: together a second game, a third game, Uh, it'll it'll

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Speaker 1: create some problems from a pass rush situation. What they

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Speaker 1: can't forget, though, is to stop the run um and

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Speaker 1: that has been a problem the Cowboys defense has had

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. Uh, they got to

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Speaker 1: be able to stop the run. They can't just worry

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Speaker 1: about putting pressure on opposing quarterbacks the way they did

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Speaker 1: against Washington. Uh, you know, not only creating a bunch

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Speaker 1: of sacks, but boy, they beat up Taylor Heinekee pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: Making the other superstar name. That's just flashing the headlines

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Speaker 1: over the course of these years. Obviously, Trevon Diggs now

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Speaker 1: he had six and receptions in his first five games

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Speaker 1: of the season and only three picks since. Is this

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Speaker 1: because teams are starting to figure out what he's doing,

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Speaker 1: or maybe they're just staying away from him? You know,

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00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: it's probably a little bit of both. But normally, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know, we think when that happens, well then they

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00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: got to stay away from whoever is he's covering. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you he's covering your best receiver, are you gonna

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Speaker 1: stay away from your best receiver? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's the way you know, the balls

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Speaker 1: have come up. Uh. You know, he's mad at himself

681
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Speaker 1: because he thought he should have had another pick on

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Speaker 1: the Simms touchdown the forty three yard the play. Uh

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Speaker 1: with Washington this past week. He was right there, as

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, he had his hand in the

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Speaker 1: ball and Simms just went up a little bit higher

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Speaker 1: and grabbed away from him. Uh. So, I don't know

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Speaker 1: that teams are staying away from him. I think the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are aware of where he's at and what he's doing,

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Speaker 1: and and maybe if they're staying away from him, it's

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Speaker 1: a credit to him on his coverage on whichever wide

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Speaker 1: receiver he follows. Now, he doesn't follow all the time.

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Speaker 1: It just depends on their game plan and maybe the

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Speaker 1: receivers they're playing. But yeah, he's pretty you know. It's

694
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Speaker 1: one thing to cover, but it's another thing to catch

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Speaker 1: the ball. And that's what he's good at. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's a former wide receiver. Uh and and he and

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Speaker 1: he really has good hands, and he has really good

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Speaker 1: instincts on following the flight of the ball. Uh So.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what has made him so good over

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Speaker 1: his second year in the league, his ability just to

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Speaker 1: judge the ball. Uh you know, a lot of times

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Speaker 1: that's why guys are cornerbacks, right, they don't catch the ball.

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Speaker 1: They don't you know, so they say, okay, you go

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Speaker 1: play corner right. Uh So, But he has that innate

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Speaker 1: ability that it's something I don't think you can teach.

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Speaker 1: You know, we do a podcast. One of the guys

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00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: on our crew Everson Walls, who played for the Giants

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Speaker 1: at the end of his career. Um. He keeps remarking

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Speaker 1: about how he understands how not only catch the ball,

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Speaker 1: but tracked the ball. Uh and and and and he

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Speaker 1: Everson says, yeah, he kind of looks like me at times.

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Speaker 1: He knows how to go get the ball. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: I keep telling Everson, I said, you know what, your

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Speaker 1: single season record is going down. He had eleven his

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Speaker 1: rookie year, right and uh for the Cowboys. And no

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Speaker 1: one in the league has had more interceptions since one

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Speaker 1: when he had eleven and it got two to go.

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Speaker 1: And and Everson's pulling for him too. And I told

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Speaker 1: I told Walls, I said, you know what, if this

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Speaker 1: kid keeps getting interceptions, everybody's gonna know your name and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna finally get you into the Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. I'll tell you what, Mackey Diggs may have

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Speaker 1: a little bit better hands that Dan Everson, maybe, but

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Speaker 1: he wasn't as crafty. You tell Everson that Tino said

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Speaker 1: he was the craftiest SLB he ever saw. Okay, I

726
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Speaker 1: will do that, and I guarantee you he'll agree with

727
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: you too. I know it were. I also think it helps, though,

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Speaker 1: that Diggs has some history as a wide receiver before

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Speaker 1: he got to the NFL, So that's probably a big

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Speaker 1: reason why he's been opportunistic. Mickey, before we let you

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Speaker 1: go speaking of digs, this defense has been extremely opportunistic.

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Speaker 1: Seven takeaways, twenty interceptions. The other number that jumps out

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Speaker 1: to me is they've got the best third down defense

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Speaker 1: in the NFL this season. You mentioned they've struggled to

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Speaker 1: stop the run, but why is it that despite that,

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Speaker 1: they've been so effective on third down and that has

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Speaker 1: been an issue for the Giants in terms of sustaining drives.

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Speaker 1: So how do you see that matchup playing out given

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Speaker 1: Dallas his strength on third down. Yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 1: been uh their increasing ability to put portion uh pressure

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Speaker 1: on opposing quarterbacks. Uh. They've been able to, uh you know,

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Speaker 1: generate that pressure even without DeMarcus Lawrence on the field. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know for only three games now. Uh, They've been

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Speaker 1: able to do it with other guys. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's a credit to Dan Quinn on how he's adjusted,

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Speaker 1: uh to get not having star players using other guys.

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Speaker 1: And then I can't get away from the impact Michael

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Speaker 1: Parsons has made on this defense, and not not just

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Speaker 1: with his play, but with his nature and how he

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Speaker 1: carries himself and and I think other guys feed off

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00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: of him. And he's got this, Uh, he's got this

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00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: innatability to make a play when it needs to be made. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know they were, they were in trouble in that

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00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: Saints game. Uh, And Taysom Hill tried to roll out

755
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: to throw a pass and and Parsons didn't bite on

756
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: the fake and he was chasing him, and I think

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00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: Hill thought, well, I'm a pretty good runner. I can

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Speaker 1: get outside, and all of a sudden, he just zoomed

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Speaker 1: and nailed him. I think, from hill standpoint, unsuspectedly. Uh

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Speaker 1: So he's got this knack to make the plays like

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Speaker 1: that when they need a play. Uh So, I think

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Speaker 1: that has really juiced their ability on third down because

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Speaker 1: they can use them in so many different ways. They

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Speaker 1: can rush him as the defensive end, like I said,

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Speaker 1: they can put him in the middle and rush up

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Speaker 1: the middle, and he may not be big enough to

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Speaker 1: rush up the middle, but he's quick in the center

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Speaker 1: and the guard can't get to him. And then in

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Speaker 1: this last game, uh, if ever anybody watched the game,

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn basically created a five man line which meant

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Speaker 1: one on one blocking and if they if they didn't

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Speaker 1: go one on one, then it took up a tight

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Speaker 1: end that couldn't go out in the past pattern or

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00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: they had to keep the running back in to make

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Speaker 1: sure that Parsons got blocked. So I think he's had

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Speaker 1: a lot to do with their increased ability to stop

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Speaker 1: teams on third down. He is Mickey Spagnola from Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com. Mickey greatly appreciate the time of the

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Speaker 1: inside and we look forward to Sunday's game. Thanks again,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Mickey, Absolutely great to be with you guys. Thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot, Hey Giant fans, taking all the action of

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Speaker 1: Y Now Bob Pop is weekly conversation with Giants head

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Speaker 1: coach Joe Judge, as always, were joined by the head

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Speaker 1: coach of the New York Giants, Joe Judge and coach

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Speaker 1: obviously all week long. As you get ready for today's

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00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: game against the Dallas Cowboys, you guys have been dealing

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00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: with COVID nineteen issues, like a lot of the teams

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00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: around the national Football He talked to the fans a

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00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: little bit about how you were able to handle it

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00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: during this week. Well, the first thing is you know

795
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: the caution you have to take in terms of you

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00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: know what your lore players to do when the surroundings

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Speaker 1: are in. So I'd say some of what we did

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Speaker 1: was also accompanied by some protocols put up by the

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Speaker 1: league this week. So we came in on Wednesday, that

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Speaker 1: was more of a normal day for us before everything

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00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: started popping up and really hitting us. And as the

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00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: day went on, we had some guys with symptoms only

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00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: for COVID, but also came back to some fluid. Once

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Speaker 1: I tested negative for COVID. That we had to make

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00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: sure that we trim backed our meeting time. We space

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00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: guys out and moved everything mostly outside, you know, to

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Speaker 1: get guys away from each other. The next part was

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00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: we went virtual on Thursday, and what that means. We

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00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: meet in the mornings all through Zoom like everyone else

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00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: kind of does us through business stuff. We meet on Zoom,

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Speaker 1: we share the install, we go through tape, and then

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00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: we let the guys drive over here, we go right

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00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: to the field, we practice, we take a break, we

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Speaker 1: go back. When we recap the practice, they make corrections

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Speaker 1: over Zoom again and that's kind of become normal business

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00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: sports over us last year year and a half, however,

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00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: it's been uh but like anything else, you'd rather be

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00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: in person. That's better for you. And then we got

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Speaker 1: there Friday, and one of the decisions we had to

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Speaker 1: make right away was we had all the players back

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Speaker 1: in the building. That was per their request. They got

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Speaker 1: tired of the zoom they wanted to be in. We

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Speaker 1: spaced everybody out and within new NFL precautions, we were

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Speaker 1: all in our indoor facility in the Bubble, which we've

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Speaker 1: set up the entire way for meeting rooms from the beginning,

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Speaker 1: so for us, it wasn't really an inconvenience. Uh. But

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Speaker 1: about ten minutes into the start of the position meetings

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Speaker 1: this morning, we started getting reports on multiple COVID's coming

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Speaker 1: back positive, some guys of food symptoms. So be honestly,

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Speaker 1: I just pulled the trigger and canceled the meetings at

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Speaker 1: that moment. We moved outside. We made it just you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of teach on your feet walk through. Spent about

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Speaker 1: a half hour so getting the install for the red

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Speaker 1: area in there. Talked at about two minutes, and then

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Speaker 1: we got the guys out of there. We did some

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00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: zoom meetings from about you know, eleven o one and

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00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: got the moving on through the afternoon. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's some gymnastics. You gotta juggle a little bit. You know.

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Speaker 1: We talked to the guys all time about you know,

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Speaker 1: just making sure that we adjust whatever you know I possible,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking all the time. They look our model

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00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: around here's adapted, guys, So whatever comes up, we've gotta

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00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: figure it out. So you got Dallas Cowboys in front

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Speaker 1: of you today, and uh, you know, this is a

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Speaker 1: team that you know can run the football with the

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Speaker 1: combination of running backs and then you take a look

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Speaker 1: at the quarterback and the weapons that they have on

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Speaker 1: the outside, and you throw Dalton Shultz the tight end

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Speaker 1: into the mix and what he's brought to the table.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the key things, no matter who's

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Speaker 1: on the field, that you have to do to slow

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Speaker 1: them down offensively. Well, to me, it's always starts to

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Speaker 1: stop in the run. And that's true with just on

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Speaker 1: a team the NFL. When you talk about this team,

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Speaker 1: you know, between Zeke and Pollard and that you know,

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Speaker 1: just tremendous offensive line to have, you got to stop

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Speaker 1: the run. Because if you don't stop the run, they

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Speaker 1: can play balance and really keep you, you know, guessing

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Speaker 1: throughout the game with their boots, their play actions, their

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Speaker 1: screens and their shots down the field. So you've got

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Speaker 1: to try to make them one dimensional, and you've got

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Speaker 1: to do a good job to put pressure on the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And when you can put pressure in the space, it

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Speaker 1: change a little bit of his accuracy, changing some of

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Speaker 1: the decision making and gives you an edge right there defensively,

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Speaker 1: So you gotta win up front with the run and

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Speaker 1: the pressure and the back end. You've got to stop

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Speaker 1: the ball from me and throwing over your head. You

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Speaker 1: have to limit the deep shots down the field. They've

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Speaker 1: got some explosive skill players. You know, we're very aware

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Speaker 1: of who they are and how they can make plays.

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Speaker 1: We've got to make sure that we go ahead, whether

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Speaker 1: it's Shoultz or the receivers, the backs out of the backfield,

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Speaker 1: we know where they are and the plays are used

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Speaker 1: in coach Um. You know, we always talk about when

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Speaker 1: when a lot of people talk about the Cowboys, they

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Speaker 1: talk about Dak Prescott, Amari Cooper, Ceedee Lamb, the running backs. Defensively,

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Speaker 1: though they've been extremely disruptive, and they're doing a great

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Speaker 1: job on third downs. Their number one in the NFL

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Speaker 1: and third down defense given up at just under thirty one.

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Speaker 1: What has made their defense noticeably better, especially you know

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks when they've struggled offensively,

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Speaker 1: but they've made game changing plays defensively. Well, I'd say

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Speaker 1: the factor to me is speed. And that's the difference

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Speaker 1: this year and their defense. And last year. These guys

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Speaker 1: played fast. You know, obviously they added some guys in

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Speaker 1: the off season. They really dedicated a draft entirely the defense.

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Speaker 1: They had a lot of talent, They had a lot

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Speaker 1: of speed. That's the thing that is played a lot

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Speaker 1: faster upfront, a lot faster, more opportunity to the back end.

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Speaker 1: You talk about the third down defense, that really comes

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Speaker 1: from their early down defense, and they fly around these

893
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Speaker 1: a lot of movement on the front. They cluck canceled

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Speaker 1: gaps out with stunts and games, and what they do

895
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Speaker 1: is they get you behind the sticks and once it's

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Speaker 1: second and long, you're more in a passing situation, and

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Speaker 1: they treat that more at third down, so it creates third,

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Speaker 1: third and long situations. They'd really do a good job

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Speaker 1: in as long that yard situations where it takes time

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Speaker 1: for the receivers to get down to feel good open

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00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: of getting after the quarterback. They played press man on

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Speaker 1: the outside. They really attack you. It buys time for

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Speaker 1: the front to get home of the pressure in the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and they forced teams in the bad decisions. Really, they're

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Speaker 1: living on turnovers right now. And now it's things they

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Speaker 1: generate from the front and the back end tying together.

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Speaker 1: But right now they have twenty seven turnovers. At the

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Speaker 1: top of the league or one of the teams at

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Speaker 1: the top of the leg they're doing a great job.

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Speaker 1: That's really by keeping them behind the sticks make you

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Speaker 1: play a certain way. Coach. Finally, uh, Michael Parsons has

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Speaker 1: had an outstanding rookie season. He's been extremely disruptive. Twenty

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Speaker 1: seven quarterback hits, a bunch of force fumbles. How much

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Speaker 1: do they move them around to try to create matchups

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Speaker 1: for him? Yeah, Dan's doing a really good job right

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Speaker 1: now moving this guy around. And we all knew he

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Speaker 1: was gonna be a very very good player when he

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Speaker 1: came out of draft. He's definitely taking a lot of

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Speaker 1: jumps as a rookie and making a big impact. But

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Speaker 1: you know, especially when they get their third down packages,

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Speaker 1: you know where they move them around, whether it's in

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Speaker 1: stack for a blitz where they mug them up on

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Speaker 1: the guard and get a one on one matchup against

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Speaker 1: the lesser athlete where they put him on the edge

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Speaker 1: us a speed off the edge for it, but they're

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Speaker 1: using in games or straight rush them. This guy's got

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Speaker 1: a very unique skill set in terms of being a

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Speaker 1: stack back or with a very good speed, and he

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Speaker 1: also has a very good edge skill set to lean,

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Speaker 1: dip and power on through your edge and get to

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Coach, best of luck. I know it's been

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Speaker 1: a tough week for you and your staff and the

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Speaker 1: entire organization, but we appreciate a couple of minutes and

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Speaker 1: best of luck. Thanks appreciate it. That's Giant's head coach

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Speaker 1: Joe Judge. We thank him, Mickey Spagnola and Billy Price

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Speaker 1: for joining us on this special game preview edition of

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Speaker 1: the Giants Huddle Podcast. And don't forget to tune into

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Speaker 1: The Giants Hutle right after the Giants Cowboys game for

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Speaker 1: a rapid reaction podcast. Have a great weekend. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time.