1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: Here's Drew, Hello, their friend. 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: It's good to see you. John Harris. You're doing all right? 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 3: Good? Okay, Drew, you know how it is the day 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 3: before training camp. We've all got, you know, excitement and 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 3: just ready to rock. 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: Some of us, like me Drew Doherty, have their idiot 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: caps on because my idiot caps didn't press play on 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: this recording. And you and I have done a thirty 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: five minute podcast, well thirty minute podcast, and I never 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: recorded it. So this is version two. We'll see if 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: it's as good as the first one. I had a 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: fun one. In the first one. We had a Mike 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: Leach story. We had a book review, we had a 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: movie rankings, we had a step by step of what 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: goes on in the morning on the first day of 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 2: training camp. But we're gonna begin with it's camp Eve, 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: and goodness, gracious, that's a great thing. The three of us, you, 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: me and you watching listening. We're so pumped about this. 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: And hey, before we get going, please like please, subscribe. 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: Please follow this podcast whether it's on iTunes, Spotify, YouTube, 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: make sure you're getting this on a regular basis, because 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: that's why we do it. But John, you've been doing 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: an awesome job on your ninety man analysis series or analyses. 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: You go a position by position, you're covering who all 28 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: is doing what, as far as what the team is 29 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: going to look like, as far as the defensive line, 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: that's the most recent one. I can't wait to see 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: these guys in action. What's been your favorite part of 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: writing that? 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: I think just the reminder of what the Texans did 34 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: this offseason, what Nick Assario, Dimiko Ryans were able to build. 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: And it's been interesting to kind of think about these, 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: you know, ninety man roster breakdowns I've been doing at 37 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: the same time as I'm watching Giants Hard Knocks. I 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: have to not watch episode three, but just watching behind 39 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: the scenes of how a team is built a team, 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 3: aren't you. Well, yeah, there's there's there's part of that 41 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 3: for sure. But yeah, obviously Sakwan Barkley was a guy 42 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: that the Texans, uh we were rumored to be in on. 43 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: He didn't end up there, and there were a lot 44 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: of fans that wanted Sakwe Barkley. He ends up going 45 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: to Philadelphia, So I'm curious to see how that's portrayed. 46 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 3: But just it's been interesting because I see the players 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: that we all know about, the Daniel Hunters and the 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: Will Anderson's and CJ. Straves, et cetera. But to remember, hey, 49 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: Henry Toatoa is still here. He's still here, Robert Woods 50 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: is still a big part of this wide receiver group. 51 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: Both guys who started a lot of games for the 52 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: Texans combined last year. 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jerry Hughes re just re signed. How does he 54 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: fit into everything? What? What does he have left in 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: the tank? His fifteenth, i think fifteenth season in the league. 56 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: So just being reminded of those players that maybe it 57 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: glossed over that people aren't maybe talking about because we 58 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 3: want to talk about the big three wide receivers and 59 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 3: we'll talk about CJ. You know, how does his offensive 60 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: line go together? But to me, it's kind of those 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: players that you forget about that either came over in 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 3: a free agent signing, like Mike Ford at corner and 63 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: how good at special teams he is when we saw 64 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: from him at OTAs as a defensive back and then 65 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: contributing on special teams. You know, Jacob Phillips played on 66 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: that twenty nineteen LSU team, joined the Texas in the offseason. 67 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: He only played twenty games in the first three years 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: with the Browns because the injuries. In the twenty twenty 69 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: three he's out completely. But when you see him at OTAs, 70 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: you're reminded, like, oh, man, that dude's an athlete, long, physical, 71 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: can run, And you think, man, is that just is 72 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: Jacob Phillips kind of a lottery scratch off ticket that 73 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: you signed for for not a whole lot of money. 74 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: But maybe it pans out and he stays healthy here 75 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: and you can put him and keep him into the 76 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: linebacker mix and make that group that much better because 77 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: you've got a guy like that. So when I go 78 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: back and I do that, I just I keep in mind, 79 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: you know, just those players are unreminded of them. You 80 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: know why Nick and Tomko added this guy, Why Nick 81 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: and Tomko added this guy, Why they wanted to have 82 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: this defensive line look like this. I think that's really 83 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: what it's kind of told me, Drew. And then tomorrow 84 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 3: Thursday becomes Okay, you've put it all together now, let's 85 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: push this card onto the track and let's see how 86 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: it looks out on the track. And that's where it 87 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 3: gets really exciting because we can quit talking about all 88 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: of this and we can kind of see it, yeah, 89 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: and we don't have to project. We can look at 90 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 3: it and say, oh wow, this is actually what it 91 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: looks like. And I think that's really kind of the 92 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: fun part to me. 93 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 2: Okay, so quick, rapid fire answer coming up here from you? 94 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: Good. 95 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: The alarm clock will sound at what time? First day 96 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: of training camp tomorrow morning, Thursday morning? 97 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: For you, more likely six o'clock. 98 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: What's the first thing you're gonna do. 99 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: I gotta get my dogs out. They gotta go outside, 100 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: or it's gonna be held a pegs. I'm gone all day. 101 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: What's the first thing you'll think after turning the alarm 102 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: clock off. 103 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: I'm pumped. I'm pumped. I'm ready to go. But I 104 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: but it's a step by step of what I have 105 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: to do to get to the stadium. Because once I'm 106 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: at the stadium, it's like, all right, now I'm here. 107 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: I'm good. I don't worry about traffic, I don't worry 108 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: about whether breakfast was made or I'm here. Okay, Deep 109 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: Breath go on. 110 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: The air at eight o'clock after the dogs come in. 111 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: What are you eating? What are you drinking? 112 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 3: I always have my sparkling eyes. Food though, is always 113 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: kind of hit or misss. Sometimes if I can grab 114 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: something quick, if there's something in the pantry, because little 115 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: old John Harris has to do all of his grocery 116 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: shopping because his wife is in California. Sometimes I just 117 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: wait till I get to the cafeteria and then I 118 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: just kind of grab something and go grab a bana, 119 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 3: grab piece of fruit, just grab something quick, piece of toast, 120 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: and just get out there and get rolling and just 121 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: let that kind of power me through and then have 122 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: a big lunch. 123 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: When will you be on the practice field tomorrow? 124 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 3: Well, we go live at eight and Sean and Seth 125 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: are do are sitting in the seats that we'll sit 126 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: in for radio. So I don't like to get out 127 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: there and just kind of sit and stew. So I 128 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 3: get out there. I stay in studio till about seven 129 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: forty five, and then I walk out there and it's 130 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: pretty amazing to see the fans and them getting ready. 131 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: It's pretty incredible that walk that first day in particular, 132 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: especially this one. How anticipated this is. That's gonna be 133 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 3: really cool to just see the fans excitement and see 134 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: how many people are there. Well, that won't happening on Thursday. 135 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: That'll happen on next Tuesday. But that's really a cool moment. 136 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: But I just love that walking out sun is rising. 137 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: All right, here we go, beat big deep breath. Twenty 138 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 3: twenty four season begins, and we're ready to go. 139 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: So you'll be out there over an hour before practice, 140 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: which is at nine am. So first thing you'll notice 141 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: when you're actually on the air and players start filtering 142 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: on the field is what. 143 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: Really what's happening in front of me? On field one, 144 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: A lot of times are the punt returners catching punts 145 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: of the punt machine, of the drugs machine. But I 146 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: also like to do kind of a mental check as 147 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: guys are walking by, if they've got their jersey and 148 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: helmet in hand, or if they're not, Oh okay, it 149 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: looks like maybe this guy's not practicing today. Maybe oh oh, 150 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: this guy is practicing today, I didn't think he was 151 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: going to. Or in some cases, like last year, there 152 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: are sometimes this guy that walks in the field and 153 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: you're like who is that? And then you get to 154 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: notice probably ten minutes later, like, oh yeah, we just 155 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: signed Khalil Davis. Okay, let's go watch Khalil Davis. 156 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: And because let me interrupt. Let me interrupt because you 157 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: put a nice note in there in the ninety man 158 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: analysis of the defensive line about Khalil Davis. Now, it 159 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: took him all of about what six minutes before he 160 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: started wearing guys out on the office if that. 161 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: So we're on the air from eight to ten and 162 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: they start practicing nine. It's a lot of activation and things, 163 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: and so really don't start get rolling until about nine 164 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: point thirty with you know, some one on ones and 165 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 3: some other things. And so I walk over Mark gives 166 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: me a break on radio. He's like, all right, come back, 167 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: we'll do the last ten minutes together. Like okay, I 168 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: go in. I got my notebook, I'm right down all 169 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: kinds of notes. I'm watching one on ones, the old 170 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: line d line, and Khalil Davis steps up for the 171 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: first rep and I'm like, all right, let's see what 172 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: you got, young buck, and then all of a sudden 173 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: he just goes right by. God. I'm like, what just happened? 174 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 3: And for two or three more reps he did the 175 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 3: same thing. Guys just couldn't handle him. It with some 176 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: powers quickness. I'm like, man, he's got something. I'm keep 177 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: my eyes on. This guy. Went back on radio and 178 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: I was like, Mark, He's like, what did you see? 179 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: And I was like, Well, the guy that we watched 180 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: go across the field we didn't know who was that's 181 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: Khalil Davison. He's tough. That's the guy we need to watch. 182 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 3: And then Khalil turned into the player that contributed all 183 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 3: year long to this defense. I don't know where we 184 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: would have been without it. 185 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: Man. 186 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: He's a great dude, a great player, a really fun 187 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: perspective on football in life, you know, based on what 188 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: he had been through. And now he's back with the 189 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: Texans for another year this year, and I can't wait 190 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: to see what he does. 191 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been through a lot and he was a 192 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: big part of last year's success. Might be an even 193 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: bigger part of this year and the success of twenty 194 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: twenty three. Okay, so we did a rapid far Also 195 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: last night on Texans All Access, you and Mark vandermir 196 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: did a nice job, fun job reviewing a social media 197 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: post by the Houston Texans admin that went up back 198 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: on July third, and it was essentially a picture of 199 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: an iceberg, and it was split into sections where at 200 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 2: you know, if you see an iceberg in the water, Oh, 201 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: it's just that chunk of ice there. No, no, no, no, 202 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: it's big, it's wide underwater, it goes deep. So we 203 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: took the Titanic down and lots of other ships in 204 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: the past and will in the future. So at the top, 205 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: stuff like JJ Watt Aaron Foster, everybody knowe or jj 206 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: Watt under Johnson, everybody knows who those guys are. But 207 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: down below, at the very bottom, you got stuff that 208 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: really hardcore Texans fans, they're the only ones that'll know 209 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: really fun stuff. But that's not the only good, good 210 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: thing that the Texans social account has done recently, because 211 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: really they're pumping great stuff out all the time. And 212 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: yesterday had a cool picture of Jimmy Ward safety Jimmy Ward, 213 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: who's been around the block, knows some things as a 214 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: man about the world, and they had his top five 215 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: football movies that he loves and he had his rankings 216 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: and it was a good It was a very good list. 217 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: I think the program was had the place at the 218 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: table starting defense. That was number one, good choice. I 219 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: liked the program. We love the program. So I was 220 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: I was feeling kind of cheeky and I quote that 221 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: and I put my top five football movie rankings out 222 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: and I put number one, Top Gun Maverick because it's 223 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: a hell of a movie. It's one of my favorite 224 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: movies ever. I've seen in the movie theaters three times. 225 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: I've never seen any other movie maybe other than two 226 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 2: times in the movie theater maybe twice. I've seen two 227 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: movies in the movie theater, maybe twice. I've seen a 228 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: movie two times in the movie theater. So that was 229 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: in there, and you're like, well, that's not a football movie. 230 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: You know, they're playing football on the beach offense and 231 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: defense at the same time. I put that in their 232 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: point break. Johnny Utah one of the greatest Ohio State 233 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 2: quarterbacks ever. He's behind CJ. Stroud obviously, but he's nonetheless 234 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: maybe one of the greatest Buckeye qbs ever. He played 235 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: some beach football too, he was in there. And then 236 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 2: number three Fast Times Fast Times a Ridgemont High because yeah, 237 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: you know, I mean he destroyed his car, got destroyed. 238 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: So he destroyed the football team. 239 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: And then that's what I remember about that movie, nothing else, 240 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: just that. 241 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you had a more conventional top five movie 242 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 2: list real quickly. Number one for you was it had to. 243 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: Be Varsity Blues. I mean I was. I mean I 244 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: was Jonathan Box And if you think about it, that 245 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: high school football player ends up going to so I 246 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: was out the box saw. Varsity Blues always resonates the program. 247 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 3: Alvin Mack is one of my favorite characters of all 248 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: time Little Giants, and that one for a couple of reasons. 249 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like you, I like your reasoning. Here tell 250 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: go go a little deep on this one. 251 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: My daughter's agent is one of the daughters for Ed 252 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: O'Neill in that movie. 253 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: And if you don't know the whole time, and if 254 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: you're just for the first time, if you're watching this 255 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: for the first time, we're listening for the first time. 256 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: John has a daughter and a son. The daughter is 257 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: an actress, so she has representations. 258 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, her representation on Los Angeles. She was a 259 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: child actress and then she ended up creating an agency 260 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 3: that's doing great, and so she's in that movie. The 261 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: other part of it is I first started coaching UH 262 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: seventh and eighth graders, and it's a little bit older 263 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: than obviously what the age are and Little Giants. The 264 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: age of those kids are in Little Giants, but a 265 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: lot of it's similar. There a lot of kids that 266 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: never played football before they found a lot of power 267 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: and strength and playing football, playing football together. I think 268 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: there's a lot there. It's funny. Rick Moranis does a 269 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: great job as that coach, and I just you know, 270 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: you get you got cameos from Steve Entman, emittt Smith, 271 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: Bruce Smith. It's it's just a really cute John Madden. 272 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: It's a really cute movie and so I loved it. Uh, 273 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 3: I connect with it. Four as the water boy bub Bouche. 274 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: How can you go any other five? Any given Sunday, 275 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: you edit four ahead at five and then for me 276 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: number six, I went just one more, even though it's 277 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: more a rom com love movie. Jerry Maguire, there are 278 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 3: you know, there's a. 279 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: Football lots of football in that. 280 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: That's football in it, So we'll go with it. 281 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: I love Yeah, Jerry Maguire is a great choice. So 282 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: not making the list for either of us, but it 283 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: doesn't mean we don't love the movies. Remember the Titans, 284 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: phenomenal movie, phenomenal movie. Love it, but it didn't make 285 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: the top five. And then also go forget about Wildcats. 286 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: Woody Harrelson. 287 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: Woody Harrelson's in that movie. There are a few others 288 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: there in that movie. I think Wesley Snipes's in that 289 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 3: movie too. So that was that was pre White Man 290 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 3: Can't Jump. So I love this. By the way, Ron 291 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 3: Sheldon telling the story of white Man Can't Jump. Apparently 292 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: Wesley Snipes can not play basketball really, And I'm like, really, like, 293 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: you watch the movie and you think, man, he could 294 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 3: really play, but apparently he couldn't. He really was not 295 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 3: good at basketball. So when I got to thinking about it, 296 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: I went back and watched after those comments, and I 297 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I can kind of see this. But 298 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: Wesley Snipes, Woody Harrelson, Goldie Hawn are all in Wildcats. 299 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: Great movie about Goldiehawn coaching high school fotball team, which 300 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: is tremendous. 301 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: All the right moves with Tom Cruise. 302 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 3: That's a great such a great movie, such a great movie. Oh, 303 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: Western Pa. 304 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: I probably should have that in the top five. If 305 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: I don't know, I. 306 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: Thought about that. I couldn't fit in my top five. 307 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: I didn't know which one I wanted to take out, 308 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: so I wasn't gonna fight it. But All the Right 309 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: movie is such a good such a good movie. Stephen Georgiovich, 310 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: Tom Cruise, Uh, Mark T. Nelson is the Coach Craig T. 311 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: Nelson's final Yeah, Coach is one of my favorite TV 312 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: shows ever with Craig Nelson. Yeah. Uh, Mark Vandermuer. I 313 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: don't think he's tweeted it, but his number one would 314 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: clearly be Heaven Can Wait. Warren Beatty, he loves that movie. 315 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: You'll notice that John and I didn't have the movie 316 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: Friday Night Lights in there. Too many cliches, too serious anyway, Anyway, 317 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: didn't make it, but we love the show. Loved the show, 318 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: and the book is at a next level. John. The 319 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: book is so damned good John by Buzz Bissinger. 320 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. So this summer, you know, Julian Edman has been 321 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: doing that podcast Games with Names, and so he had 322 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: Ernie adams On, who was the director of research for Belichick, 323 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 3: close friend with Belichick, grew up Belichick their high school friends. 324 00:15:59,360 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: Uh. 325 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: He was very instrumental to the success to the Patriots, 326 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: and so Ernie was on the Apple was it. 327 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: Called the Dynamitic documentary. 328 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: Ernie was featured on that and a lot of people 329 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: want to talk to Ernie because Ernie seemingly he knew 330 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: where all the bodies were buried, if you will. And 331 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: so Ernie Adams tells a story in the podcast with 332 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: Juliannaman that Buzz Bissenger came to him because they knew 333 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: each other from high school. Belichick and Ernie Adams and 334 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: Buzz Messenger knew each other from andover. I think it was. 335 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: I think they would hand over. And so Messenger had 336 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: called up Ernie and said, hey, I'm thinking about doing 337 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: this book on high school football. I'm going to go 338 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: out to Western PA, Western Pennsylvania, and I'm gonna do 339 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: this book. Ernie Adams like, oh, man, if you want 340 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: real high school football, you gotta go out to West Texas. Oh, 341 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: Desa Permian, that's where you gotta go. You gotta go 342 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: out West Texas. Learn how they are doing it. Man, 343 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: that's where high school football is legit. Messenger was like, okay, 344 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: I'll look into it. Looked into it ends up at 345 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: Odessa Permian and obviously the rest is history. But Ernie Adams, 346 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: the director research for the Patriots, we can thank for 347 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: everything that came out of Friday Night Lights, everything everything 348 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: with a Friday Night Lights moniker. We can thank Ernie 349 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 3: Adams for giving bus messenger, you know, the push to 350 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 3: go out to Texas and not Western Pa Trailblazer. 351 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: Okay, you know what we're gonna do. You and I 352 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: have many, many connections to Friday Night Lights peripherally. You 353 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 2: just shared one of yours. Yeah, I'm gonna share one 354 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: of mine real quick. So that Odessa Permian team of 355 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight ended in a three way tie atop 356 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: their district with Midland League, their fierce, fierce, fierce rival 357 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: right in Midland. Midland was kind of an upstart. Uh, 358 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: they weren't. They've never really been great at football, or 359 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: well maybe they were a long long time, but back 360 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: then they were not. But that year they had a 361 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 2: really really good team and the three of those teams, 362 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: because they were tied. The way the UIL had them 363 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: decide it was at a coin flip at a truck stop, 364 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: so the three head coaches had to be there coins 365 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: and if all three got heads, well they flipped again. 366 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: Or if all three got tails, they flipped again. But 367 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: because of math, if two got heads and one got tails, 368 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 2: or two got tails and one got heads, that one 369 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: they're done. Their season is over all their hopes and 370 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: dreams washed away by a coin flip rule cruel stuff. 371 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 2: And then the two they would flip again and uh, 372 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: or they would flip one coin and I guess one guy. 373 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: They have to flip. It was whatever the result was 374 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 3: in that game. 375 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. 376 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: So that's how they came up with it, and Permian 377 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 3: and they both pop up tails. Midland comes up heads. 378 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: And I know the Middland High quarterback of that team. 379 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: I didn't know him back then. I was ten years 380 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: old and he was leading Middle Indo glory. But that 381 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: guy was Jason Stone, really good, really good high school quarterback. 382 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: And then I met Jason because he wrote a book 383 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 2: twenty years ago and I was a freelance writer and 384 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: I did a book review on it and it was 385 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: an awesome book. I loved it, talked with him about it, 386 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 2: and we became friends. And then in the last four 387 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: or five years he wrote another book, and this one 388 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: it's called The Beauty of the Day's Gone By. It 389 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: is so damned good. It's set in the eighteen hundreds, 390 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: the early nineteen hundreds. It goes back and forth. It's 391 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: in West Texas, North Texas, The Frontier. Charles Goodnight, who's 392 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: basically the inspiration for the Woodrow Call character in the 393 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: movie Lonesome Dove. The book Lonesome Dove by Lerrman, This 394 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 2: is a tremendous work of art. It will punch you 395 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: in the chest, rip your heart out, show it to 396 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: you while it's beating, and then throw it on. It 397 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: will break your damn heart. It's so good. Jason stone 398 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: quarterback of that team, wrote that book, The Beauty of 399 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: the Day's Gone By, And make. 400 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 3: Sure you're about that. 401 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: You would like it. Your daughter was in a movie 402 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: about yeah, very frontier. 403 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the first movies that she ever shot. 404 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 3: Was it was not out West Texas, but it was 405 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 3: out in an area where it could be, you know, 406 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: construed as West Texas, and all the history that was 407 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 3: behind that particular movie was it was really really cool 408 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: to learn about all that. So, uh, yeah, Beauty of 409 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: the Day's Gone. 410 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 2: By Jason Stone Man, shout out, Jason's gone great. Jason 411 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: probably was watching this. He's yeah, yeah, like based on 412 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: this stuff. 413 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: Shout out to you. 414 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we should get on all right. We got to 415 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: talk more about Odessa Premian later, but we've got to 416 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: wrap this up. John, It's always good to being with you. 417 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 2: We'll see again. Training campus here in the Magic of 418 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four is about to begin.