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Speaker 1: This is the almost famous podcast with I her radio. Hello,

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Speaker 1: trist A saturn A Wren. Oh, Ye're so funny that

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Speaker 1: you called me nay Wren all the time. What even

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Speaker 1: was that before I heard before you started saying it.

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Speaker 1: Well even, I saw it in the magazine once and

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Speaker 1: I was like, my name, Hey, where are you? That's

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Speaker 1: a cool backdrop. I actually um moved down to my office.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the lighting is better. And lighting is

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Speaker 1: a girl's best friend. Oh indeed it is. Yeah, helps

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Speaker 1: us guys out too, no question about it. I'm so

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Speaker 1: I am relegated to my normal guest room spot here.

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Speaker 1: But you'll notice there's some other stuff in here now

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Speaker 1: because our dishwasher in our base. So we finished our

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Speaker 1: basement right before COVID, and it was like the main

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Speaker 1: have a movie room, a gym, a full kitchen. Kenyan

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Speaker 1: daycare for the kids when they come over. It's like

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Speaker 1: a huge roob. And the dishwasher down there basically exploded

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Speaker 1: in water two inches deep all over and noah. So

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Speaker 1: now we are in the process of a restoration company

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Speaker 1: the floors. We had to get everything off the floor.

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Speaker 1: It's just brutal. I am so sorry that happened to

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Speaker 1: one of our close friends recently too, And yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know it was brutal for them. I'm so sorry that

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Speaker 1: isn't But you know what though, enough about me, Trista,

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Speaker 1: Oh enough a value, Bob. We've got a guest in

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Speaker 1: the waiting room. I guess it. I'm pretty sure everyone

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Speaker 1: will know because he was a lead eleven years ago.

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Speaker 1: And do you think it's been flanic? That's how you

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Speaker 1: pronounce it. I would always say it was Flannic flan

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Speaker 1: We've got Ben in the waiting room, so we're excited

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Speaker 1: to talk to him if you guys want to send

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Speaker 1: him in. I think he went by Ben F at

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Speaker 1: one point, n Ashley Susan, Yeah, that's truly, you did.

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Speaker 1: He went by Ben F because they didn't want to

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Speaker 1: murder that last names on his Yeah. They do it

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Speaker 1: for everybody now. Oh yeah, everybody's got to get off

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Speaker 1: the show. And you're like, hmm, what's my list? Even

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Speaker 1: if you're the only Bob in there, you're Bob g

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Speaker 1: you know. But there aren't Bob's anymore. Bob's too basic

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Speaker 1: of a name. There's there's there's Ashley's, there's Allen's. They're

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Speaker 1: not dating Allen's Alexander. I mean, there's that's not even

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Speaker 1: that's too basic Bob and Ben he was, he was,

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Speaker 1: So it was bachelor Bob. Then it was bachelor Ben

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Speaker 1: because the anamana pia and the alliteration of it works

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Speaker 1: so nicely, the anamana pia Ben. Do you understand that?

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Speaker 1: Can you translate for me? Welcome, gentlemen, Welcome Ben f

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Speaker 1: to the A F O G Show. And the only

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Speaker 1: reason saying that as because Tristan and I have been

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Speaker 1: debating how to say your name properly. Ben. I say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: flan yek, She says flic flanic. I mean you're you're clothes.

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Speaker 1: You're both clothes. We're both wrong. It's yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: tough one. It's flanic. It's silent Jay, you know, ask

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Speaker 1: my ancestors. But I actually rewind because I think I

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Speaker 1: Scandinavian Spaniard in him. I said, oh no, it's actually flanic, Ben, Flanic,

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Speaker 1: not a Mexican dessert. Yeah, although I do love the flon. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: delicious flan. How are you, Ben? Welcome to the show Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm good, guys, Thanks for having me. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: suddenly coming on. Finally get some sun in Sonoma. So beautiful,

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Speaker 1: and sunshine. That's gonna be good for your grapes though, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's gotta be great for the grapes. I

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Speaker 1: some good things from from up north. So Ben, this

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Speaker 1: the fairy godmother of the Bachelor fan? I think so same, same.

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Speaker 1: I don't think keep away from us. We were we

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Speaker 1: were like two heavy influencers when Ben came along. Bob,

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Speaker 1: they keep everybody away from me? So recently they do.

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Speaker 1: He's awesome. He is. Oddly enough, I've never been invited either.

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Speaker 1: I wonder why. Well, we're the old Guard guys. That's right,

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Speaker 1: that's all right, old guard that actually works for OGS two.

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Speaker 1: I always say old gals and old guys, but old guard,

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Speaker 1: cannot use the word the phrase provider anymore. Provider. Really interesting. Okay, Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I digress. So how are you Ben telling us? Tell

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Speaker 1: obviously alluded to the grapes. So are you still in

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Speaker 1: And so for me it's I was shooting a little

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Speaker 1: you know, a few of the form addresses and whatever.

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00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: But they sold my clothes, not christ To be fair,

423
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: they had to pay for your in Ryan's wedding somehow.

424
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the show couldn't have been making money. It

425
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: only had thirty million. They weren't making any money. Actually Ryan,

426
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: and Ryan just said what we should have done because

427
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: he just heard about someone who did some kind of

428
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: crazy deal. We should have said, well, it will take

429
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars because Ben, I don't know if

430
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 1: you know this, but we got paid a million dollars

431
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: for the wedding, so they we did. We did, yes,

432
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: thank you, but we were like, we should have gotten

433
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand and then said give us like fifty

434
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: or one hundred thousand every year that the show stays on, right,

435
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: and then we'd just consistently be bankrolled by the show. Like,

436
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why we didn't think about that, but yeah,

437
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: that would have been a great insights twenty twenty. Yeah,

438
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: sure is Yeah, I'm sure wouldn't have allowed that first. Yeah,

439
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: it was generous back then. I don't think. Oh no,

440
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: we got in a fight about this whole negotiation for

441
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: the wedding. But you know, they ended up they ended

442
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: up paying. They wanted it, you know, they wanted it,

443
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: and they realized that it would be, you know, pretty much,

444
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: um an, you know, a home run for them. It was.

445
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful, beautiful event, and I was proud

446
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: and excited to be here. You're very thank you. I

447
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: know it was fine. Um okay, So Ben, you mentioned

448
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: a girlfriend. I would love to know the story behind

449
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: your present love life if you're willing to go to share.

450
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: I think I think, out of respect for her, I'm

451
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: just going to decline. She's really really lovely. She's really

452
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: really lovely, and um yeah, we've we've talked about this,

453
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: you know, we've it's it's quite serious. Yeah, if I'm

454
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: going to be like doing these kind of public engagements

455
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: that like, she doesn't really want to be a part

456
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: of it, and I don't really want her to totally that. Yeah, yeah,

457
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: I will tell you. Yeah, I have to ask but questions.

458
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: We're journalists now, but I will tell you we're Poduluss,

459
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: We're Podolus. I will tell you my life's the same way.

460
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: My wife has zero interest. Like to get her to

461
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: even do a red carpet with me is a very

462
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: big challenge. And yeah, so I mean we've done you know,

463
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: I've done the Kentucky Derby eighteen years in a row. Now,

464
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: no she comes, I mean the beginning that will send

465
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: the pop the PEPs wagon. Um, but yeah, she she

466
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: I remember you, you came one year, didn't you. Didn't you? Yeah?

467
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: I thought, were you at the same event I was

468
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: at that we meet at that event? I don't think

469
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: so I was okay, yeah so um but yeah, so

470
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: so we I've been going for eighteen This would be

471
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: my eighteenth year. And she comes every year. But she

472
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: like I can get her on the red carpet on

473
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: Derby Day, but like at the gala, no interest. Right

474
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: at the Oaks, she's like taking pictures with her phone

475
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: or people walk up be like, oh can we get

476
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: a picture with you? She's like, I'll take it for you,

477
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: Like hey, you look at amazing, like she's always like here,

478
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: you know you guys, you know, look at you and

479
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: it's interesting. But my yeah, I think that's interesting because

480
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: I happen to know that our our our dear friend, Ryan,

481
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Sutter is he's not camera shy, but he certainly

482
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: isn't the guy that's run into a red carpet either.

483
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I mean I remember Tristan I

484
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: actually doing a couple of red carpets together and Ryan's

485
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: like out in the crowd, going, hey, I love you.

486
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: But it was like Ryan doesn't. He just doesn't care,

487
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, and can't. My wife's like that And it

488
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: sounds like your girlfriend's like that too. Maybe that's maybe

489
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: that's the mix that's needed, you know a successful relationship.

490
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: Sweet spot. Yeah, I mean, he just doesn't like it,

491
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: and you have to respect that, you know, got to

492
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: respect it. Yeah, whatever floats about, I think, um, And

493
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: and that's great of you to respect her privacy? Did

494
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: you can I ask if you guys met how you met?

495
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: Was it like through friends or a dating app or

496
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: we met locally? We met locally here in uh in Napa, Sonoma.

497
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: So we're just got it. Yeah, we met locally. We're

498
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: still sniffing around this thing, so to speak to that then,

499
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always been fascinated with this because you're

500
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: much younger than me. Did you have you ever after

501
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: the Bachelor experience? Did you ever go on a dating app?

502
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: Were you ever a dating app guy? And if so,

503
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: was it like ridiculous? Like I always thought, you know,

504
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: oh my god, if you go on there after like

505
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: something like The Bachelor, I'm sure it's almost like you

506
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: you'd have to have like a filter on there because

507
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: it would just be like a bunch of people who

508
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: wanted to meet you for like almost like you know,

509
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: they want to look at the freak in the zoo

510
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: type of thing. Um, I wasn't share, you know, no

511
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: date dating as you guys probably know, like dating was

512
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: really really hard after the show because you never knew

513
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: you don't even know what people's interests were, right where

514
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: did they just like you said, did they just want

515
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: to go out on the date with the Bachelor? Do

516
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: they actually like want to get to know me as

517
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: a as a human being? Um? I think I had

518
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: a variety. Yes, I was on the dating apps, um,

519
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, on and off for you know, a decade, right, um,

520
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: and then some some people will I think some people

521
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: thought it was like a fake profile, like what's this guy? Actually,

522
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: what's it doing here? Um? And others yeah, others. You know,

523
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: I had some fairly successful relationships, you know, not long

524
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: long term, but you know, yeah, it's it's it's it's

525
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: the way to meet people these days. So yeah, I was,

526
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: you know, overall good exerience on the dating apps, just

527
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: because you can kind of like turn them off, turn

528
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: them on. And I think the big thing that I

529
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: realized was you can't. You can't like everyone, right, You

530
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: just got to keep it to like a small to

531
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: five people that you're chatting with, because then you get

532
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: like the fatigue of all these conversations and then you

533
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: just shut it off. You're like, oh, I'm done, right,

534
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: But you've already you've already gone through the gamut of

535
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: dating thirty people at once. You know, Yeah, we can

536
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: say that to each other. We can say that to

537
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: each other because we all did that. We can actually

538
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: like each other. We can't, we can, but we can. Yeah.

539
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: Oh people can mess with us the time, I know,

540
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: I know. Um, okay, switching gears. So I heard that

541
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: you wrote a children's book. Can you tell us about that?

542
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: I did actually wrote a series of children's books, um,

543
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 1: requires Yeah, yeah. Um. It's about this trio of flies

544
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: that live at the airport and they travel around the world.

545
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: They board commercial airliners and travel around the world teaching

546
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: kids about um, you know, acceptance of other cultures and

547
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: people and food and you know, fears of flying and

548
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: stuff like that. That is so cool. Is it is

549
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: this recent or a while ago? Um? I wrote the

550
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: first book in like twenty twenty, and then the second

551
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: and third and twenty one twenty two. Was this a

552
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: COVID baby? This was a COVID baby for my niece. Yeah,

553
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love it. What's it? What are

554
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: they called? Frequent flyers? And it's get How do we

555
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: get the frequent flyers? Where do we find these? They're

556
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: all on Amazon. Yeah, it's all everything and Amazon everything.

557
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Um. Is it a picture book or is

558
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: it a chapter book? Um? It's as both. I think

559
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: it's a children's book, kind of trying to know the difference.

560
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: It has pictures and word and there are different chapters,

561
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: so the pictures and words, so I guess it's no.

562
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: The the illustrator was actually an animator. I found he's

563
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: um Parisian and um, so we've done some like animated.

564
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: Did you say yeah, Paris Parisian? Oh, Parisian. I thought

565
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: you said core Resian like Korea and I heard of that. Understood,

566
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: got it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, perfect. Yeah. All the books

567
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: are dedicated to my my five year old niece, Josephine.

568
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: That is very Yeah. How many niece do you have?

569
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: One niece, Josephine named after my late father, Joseph. And

570
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: then we have Grant, who's my nephew. And he's just

571
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: he's like eighteen months and he's like the sweetest, biggest

572
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: he's such a little tank. He's on the ninety let's see,

573
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: he had his check up. My sister was talking my

574
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: sister last week. Last week he's ninety nine percentile for

575
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: eight and head size. Sweet, this little kid, it's gonna

576
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: be like six seven, three hundred pounds offensive line. Yeah,

577
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: a little meat ball. I like it. Yeah yeah yeah.

578
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: So being close to your niece and nephew, does this

579
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: satisfy like any urges to have children over your own?

580
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: Do you want to have kids? Yeah? I think um?

581
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: I was the children thing was was very much up

582
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: in the air until this last relationship, and now I'm like,

583
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: let's I would love to have children. Yeah, that's awesome

584
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: when you know, you know, because I I will say

585
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: I was forty eight when I had my first child.

586
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: Took me a while. Yeah, yeah, but uh, both boys.

587
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: You have two boys now four and one and a half,

588
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: thank you. And the one and a half year old,

589
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: much like you're a few is a is a meatball,

590
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: a tank. I mean, he's he's a monster. He's yeah,

591
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: he's just pushing my older son Grayson around all the time.

592
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, but um, but yeah, I

593
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: think it's like one of those beautiful things in life

594
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: when you all of a sudden feel like like I

595
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: didn't think I wanted to be, you know, married again

596
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: because I was divorced. I was like, oh, think I

597
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: want to be married again. I don't, you know, I

598
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: think like being single this is fine. And then I

599
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: met someone who was like, I'd like to have a

600
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: family with her. Yeah, that's a different feeling. It was

601
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: totally different. Yeah, And all of a sudden that just

602
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: took over, you know, and here we are, So I think,

603
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, that's pretty that's a really cool thing to

604
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: come to in life, especially, I think a little a

605
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: little more mature, you know, not that you're old, because

606
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: I mean I'm I'm old, but you know, I think

607
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: you're a little old. Yeah, you're in your forties. Whereas

608
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: that god that was unheard of to get married in

609
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: your forties back in the day, right, it was in

610
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: your twenties, or you don't do it. So I think

611
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. Congratulations on on just the the willingness

612
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: to be open to the idea. Yes, yeah, right it is.

613
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: And congrets to you for for finding it right. It's

614
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: that's it's actually after coming out of a serious relationship

615
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: and a marriage, right like that. Yeah, that's probably even harder.

616
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: So I'm good at And like your two boys. Your

617
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: two boys are they like the light of your life? Right?

618
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't even know. I mean, it's

619
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of funny because Trista, you know, Trista and Ryan

620
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: did it right, you know what I mean, Like they

621
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: their kids aren't right, we did it differently. You did.

622
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Definitely their kids are. You know, they're gonna be their

623
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: best friends because they're closer in age, and my kids

624
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: are gonna be looking at like Grandpa, Grandpa. Dad's nice,

625
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, but but I will say, like, I am

626
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: so in love with them and it has changed my life.

627
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things, like when

628
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: you are older, you might have a different appreciation h

629
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: than than you would have as a younger father. Not

630
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: saying that the appreciation isn't there for the younger dads too,

631
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: but it's just different, right, It's different because of your

632
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: experience level and you're not at that point where you

633
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: want to go out all the time and you feel

634
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: like your kids are robbing. You have something like I'm like, man,

635
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: my whole life been a bachelor party. I don't need

636
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: to go anywhere. I'm good, dude, I'm the same. I'm

637
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: the same way. Everyone's like, well, things are going great,

638
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: where's the bachelor party. I'm like, honestly, dude, I don't

639
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: think I'm doing one. I've done like four hundred and

640
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: every weekend was like a bachelor party. So like, yeah,

641
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm not good. I'm good. Let's just go golfing. I

642
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: love it. I mean, kids are are the light of

643
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: my life, for sure. Our kids are kind of my

644
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: whole world. So however they know but they're Oh my god,

645
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: I keep saying thirteen. She just turned fourteen, and so

646
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: Blakesley is my daughter fourteen, and then fifteen is Max

647
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: and he'll be sixteen. And was just driving me home

648
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: from the dentist deppointment. I was like, you want to

649
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: drive on sority it buckle up, momule up, not buddy.

650
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: Um No, it's a it's a whole new world, you know,

651
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: the teenage years. But yeah, there is there is some

652
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: truth to I feel like being younger, but I also

653
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: feel like it just depends on the relationship. It just

654
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: depends on the person. You can be your boy's best friend, Bob.

655
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that won't happen. My son

656
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: tells me every day that I am so that makes

657
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: me feel like a million dollars. Oh my gosh. You

658
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: have to record that. I know literally that I laid

659
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: out with him every night and he's like, Daddy, you're

660
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: my best friend. And I'm like, a bas has recently

661
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: said that to me. Um And I literally wrote it

662
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: in like the notes on my phone, like what she

663
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: exactly said, and she was like, of all my friends,

664
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: you're my best friend. It was like, oh my gosh, anyway.

665
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: So I think that you know, it just depends on

666
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: the person um, and I think that's really cool. I'm

667
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: really happy for you. Thank you. You get to a

668
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: certain point in life and it's like I think, Bob,

669
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: like as a long time you know bachelor, It's like,

670
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: what the hell's the point, right if you can't just

671
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: like keep going out every weekend and you know, doing

672
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: the same old right, like exact point and you look it.

673
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: You know, my my sister's children changed changed my life

674
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: and perception of it all today. Yeah oh yeah, yeah,

675
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: yeah big time. And my mom's too, right, So my

676
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: dad passed away a number of years ago, and my

677
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: mom has she's been on her own for the most part.

678
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: And you know, now Josephine's her best friend and like

679
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: they just go gallivanting and biking through Sonoma and you know,

680
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: they just they have the best little relationship. It's great.

681
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: It's great to see a change. Does your mom pressure

682
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: you at all? Never? She never she never did, never had.

683
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: She's just like very happy for me now. So yeah, yeah,

684
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: that's so good. Yes, I love man, Ben, this is good.

685
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we got to thank you and thanks

686
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: for being willing to come on the show and talk

687
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: to us about you know, where you are today and

688
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: everything else. And I would encourage everyone to get on

689
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: Amazon and look for frequent flyers because I know I'm

690
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: going to do it. Yes, great, you're welcome. Yeah, thank

691
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Good luck with all

692
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: these big decisions coming up in your near future, the production,

693
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: the television stuff, the relationship, all of it. So um,

694
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: we don't just wish you all the best. Yeah, thank you,

695
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: Ben Planic got all right. Yeah, he's an almost famous

696
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: ogina you making note? Did you write it down? And

697
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: then you're like, I'm like, don't say it with the

698
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: tildy on the end like I did the first time.

699
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: If you guys are ever up in Sonoma too, you know,

700
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: please please look me up. You know, I've still got

701
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: a small little wine wine thing going on. And he goes,

702
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: you know who doesn't love wine tasting. So I'll take

703
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: care of you guys. Yeah, we'll make sure we get

704
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: your number and I'll text you my digit so you

705
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: have them too. And um, you know, if you're ever

706
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: swinging through Detroit, which so many people it is a destination,

707
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, really on a hot list for people

708
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: on this travel season. So when you're rolling through the

709
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: motor city, you know, holler at me, and I know

710
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: I would say the same about Bill. But um, and

711
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've talked about this on the podcast,

712
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: but we're moving. So yeah, wait to Denver. H Oh

713
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: my god, that's awesome. That's another episode for the other time. Yeah, totally.

714
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: My husband's firefighters. Yeah, and he's been working for Denver

715
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: for the last two three years and the commune is

716
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: just killing him because it's two hours back and forth.

717
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: So um, so we are going to make the move crazy.

718
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: That's exciting. I'm excited for you guys. I think that's great.

719
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: And you can you know, who knows, maybe you can

720
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: keep the place in veil rent it out in the

721
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: off season. Yeah. Well, Ben, thank you buddy, take care

722
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: and best wishes with everything. Thank you appreciate it. Likewise,

723
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: Ben Flannic, everybody, I really like that guy. Yeah, that

724
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: was awesome and I'm happy for him. I'm so happy

725
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: that he is finally. And I do have to say,

726
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: even though I have to ask the question because everyone

727
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: wants to know, like arguing in a relationship, Yeah, we

728
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: have to ask, but I really love that he respects

729
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: did her privacy and doesn't want to share the details.

730
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: I think that's great. That is great. I mean, you know,

731
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: it's funny. I I in my mind, I was gonna

732
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: remind myself, and I just now thought of it after

733
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: we hang up the phone with them. But I don't

734
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but at the time, the tablaid's

735
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: got a hold of something about him and Chris Jenner.

736
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? What? Yeah, and it was they

737
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: were friends, but they were friends, that was it. And

738
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: the tablids you're trying to put a spin on it.

739
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: And I remember because I was friends with Chris Jenner too,

740
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: and I saw her at something and I said, yeah,

741
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: the tablaids are having a field day with poor bachelor Ben.

742
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: And she's like, She's like, I know, you can't even

743
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: be friends with anybody these days. And Chris Jenner, you know,

744
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: people think whatever they want to about her, but she's

745
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: a lovely person. And I was always like, yeah, I'm like, man,

746
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta throw them off the sect. You know,

747
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: I'll jump back in and you know, we'll go grab

748
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: breakfast or somewhat something somewhere and we'll get them off

749
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: the set and we were just laughing about it because

750
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: it was one of those things that you know, she

751
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: she even said, She's like, oh my god, I mean

752
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: I would love him to date one of my daughters.

753
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: That would be He's such a wonderful she was. She's like,

754
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: I would have loved that. You know, I loved having him.

755
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, I was a little critical

756
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: of the of the show, the whole like I'm not

757
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: here to make friends thing that you know, Courtney went with,

758
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: and there were some very not nice things that came

759
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: out of her mouth in regard to other people. So

760
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: I was a little critical. And I think after that, um,

761
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, her book came out and she kind of

762
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: raamed me a little bit, and I reached out to

763
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: her and just said, I'm sorry if I, you know,

764
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: hurt your feelings. I was just commenting on the fact

765
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: that I didn't, you know, I didn't think that what

766
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: was being said was very kind and yeah, so I

767
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: was a little critical of that show. And I feel

768
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: like that show Ben's season was the show that kind

769
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: of turned things for me, where nowadays I feel like

770
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: I can't a hundred percent. I try to be as

771
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: honest as I can, but because I don't want I

772
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: don't want to like inflict the same kind of hurt

773
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: feelings that I feel like other people on the show.

774
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: Like if I'm commenting about someone being rude or mean

775
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: or whatever, I don't want them to take it personally

776
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: in them to have hurt feelings. So I feel like

777
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of this odd space where I want to

778
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: be honest, but at the same time, I don't want to,

779
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be honest if it's

780
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: going to hurt someone's feelings. So no, I get it.

781
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think I've I get it

782
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: because I mean what you say, I'm sure carries a

783
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: lot more weight too, because you know, you were the

784
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: true og of the whole thing, you know, and so

785
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: from that perspective, I think that, you know, if you're

786
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: critical of someone who is on the show, it might

787
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: come off differently than if you know, if I am.

788
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I think, you know, from

789
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: that personative, because you're revered, you know, I think I was.

790
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: I was really well liked from the show, which was great,

791
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: but obviously I didn't end up, you know, with a

792
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: successful relationship in the desired format from the show. Yeah,

793
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: I think, you know, from that perspective, probably things I

794
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: say are a little more I could be a little

795
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: more flippant or a little more offhand, and it just

796
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: kind of goes away, whereas you might say something and

797
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: it sticks, you know what I mean. Yeah, I think

798
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: that was her point. That was her point, Like you know,

799
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: she was like, well whatever, you know whatever she said.

800
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I'm extra cautious now. Yeah.

801
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: Good for you for reaching out too, though, and and

802
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, smoothing it over. I think that takes. It

803
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: takes a lot of intestinal fortitude and you've always had it.

804
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: So I love that. Good. Thank you, thank you, well, awesome,

805
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: thanks everybody for listening. And I want to say, um,

806
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think we say this every time,

807
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: but you know, wherever you're listening to your podcast, we

808
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: would love your comments, your ratings, the five stars or

809
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: whatever it is these days, Yes, would be great. So

810
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: thank you, know I was going to say to actually

811
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: to that point, I actually got a message which I

812
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: thought was really sweet from one of our listeners, and

813
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: she I mean, I get a lot of them, but

814
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: for some reason, this one really resonated with me. And

815
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: I won't say her name on the air, but she

816
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: basically said to the fact, she's a huge fan of

817
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: the show. She's always you know, loving listening in so

818
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: many things to learn. Then she mentioned, I also have

819
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: cereal for dinner sometimes, and I don't need to make

820
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: dinner from my husband, which was something you said. Ed

821
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: her two daughters and in particular working with it with

822
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: Jason and Molly, with them working together, she had some

823
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: great advice. She was like, you know, wherever they go,

824
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: since they're in business together, wherever they go together, they're

825
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: not allowed to talk about their business. That was their

826
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: only rule that they could do it at home, but

827
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: when they're not at the office, they weren't allowed to

828
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: talk about it. So, you know, it's funny because Kenyon

829
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: and I do that about the boys. You know, our

830
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: mindset is, you know, if we need some time alone

831
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: to talk about the boys, we'll do it in the house.

832
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: But if it's our you know, we don't get a

833
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: date night every week, to be honest, we haven't been

834
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: able to prioritize that yet. Yeah, but when we do

835
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: have one, we're like, let's not talk about the boys

836
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: at dinner tonight. Let's talk about us. Let's talk about

837
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: fun things that have happened we haven't gotten to share

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Speaker 1: with each other. And I thought it was really nice.

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Speaker 1: She actually said that they would go into their furnace

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Speaker 1: room at their home and they would talk about work

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Speaker 1: in there, but once they stepped out of it, then

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Speaker 1: they you know, then they were they weren't allowed to

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Speaker 1: talk about it anywhere. Yeah, so you know, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: modify our furnace room and you know, put some loungers

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Speaker 1: in there maybe, Yeah, you know, aase, can I let

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Speaker 1: you know that you have the movie room? I think

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Speaker 1: you could use that. That's a valid point, you know,

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Speaker 1: if I could get in there without watching cars or Mowanna,

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Speaker 1: you know, honest to God, I swear I could. I

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Speaker 1: could sit there and say I sing all those songs

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Speaker 1: more than like Moana, you know. So anyway, all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: great seeing you as always, Trista Sutter, Nate r. And

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Speaker 1: thank you to Ben Flannic and everybody for listening. Thank you.

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