1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: The coach's votes are in, and we have the first 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: team all Pack twelve all the way down to the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: honorable mention? Where did they get it right? Where did 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: they get it wrong? And also the players declaring for 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: the draft. There's a couple we have to talk about. 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of Pack twelve players who went into 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: the College Football Hall of Fame, and the Pack twelve 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: revs are all in the National Championship game. Nothing could 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: go wrong, right. I'm George Rice Stir with Ralph Ampston, 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: and this is the Pack twelve Apostles. I think we 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: should start this episode on a on a on a 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: high note and congratulate those Pack twelve players who are 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: going to the College Football Hall of Fame. We got 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: Jake Plummer, Troy Polamalu, and head coach Dennis Eric's. I 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: think we need to give all those players a coach 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: a round of applause. Yeah, um, I mean? And then 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: how much respect are we supposed to pay to Vince Young? 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: Every time he gets mentioned? Does he is he still 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: the owner of our conference? Is that? You know? What 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: what do we do there? Because that you know that 21 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: that guy prevented probably one of the um old time 22 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: football dynasties from happening with his performance in the in 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: the National Championship, um against you know what, collection of 24 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: what might have been the best college football team that 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: the Pacific Conference has has ever put together. So I'm 26 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: happy for him as well. Um, you know, Jake Plumber 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: is somebody who uh kind of formative to my experience 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: as a college football fan. Um, you know, my first 29 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: year really paying attention as the year that he took 30 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: Arizona State too, uh to the Rose Bowl and that 31 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: was a really really special team. And then he went 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: on to continue to play in Sundeville Stadium for the 33 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: first six years of his NFL career. And then when 34 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: I was moving up, when I was living up in 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: Wyoming during my college years where everybody's a Broncos fan, 36 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: he had a lot of success out there in Denver. 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 1: So he's just always sort of been in my consciousness, 38 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: um as a football saying, and so happy for I'm 39 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: happy for him. Dennis Ericson Obviously, I think probably it 40 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: doesn't get talked about enough how well he stalked up 41 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: Oregon State in Arizona State with talent um and I 42 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: think that, you know, he's probably part of that transition 43 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: that really helped Utah fit in UM in the Pact twelve. 44 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Not the best game day coach in the world, and 45 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: doesn't really get credit for the two championships he won 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: at Miami because people kind of say that, you know, 47 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: those were other people's players and somebody else's culture that 48 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: was already UM in place there. But but I will 49 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: say that, you know, uh, he doesn't get the same 50 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt for Todd Graham winning twenty eight 51 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: games in his first three years with a lot of 52 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: Denis Ericson's players, not all Dennis Errickson's players he had. 53 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: They had a lot of two co kids mixed into uh. 54 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: And then you know, he doesn't get a ton of 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: credit for being the ones you know, to bring up 56 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson and Chad Osenko and t J. Houshman Zaa 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: and a lot of the guys that he recruited out 58 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: to Oregon State. So UM, I think that, you know, 59 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: he's definitely been part of the fabric of college football 60 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: for the last forty years and it's fun to see 61 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: him get some honors as well. Yeah, coach, coach Ericson, 62 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: he was, he was a good dude, I like in 63 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: terms of every player that I knew had positive things 64 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: to say about him. And and obviously, if you coached 65 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: three different schools in the Pac twelve and you were 66 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: on staff to really help some of the younger coaches 67 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: that were brought in, then you did a good job 68 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: and he deserved his Hall of Fame honors. I looking 69 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: at the list of people who went into the Hall 70 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: of Fame this year and knowing the people that are 71 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: already in the College Football Hall of Fame, this is 72 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: exactly why you should not rely on people's recognition of 73 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: you two or validation to control how you feel about 74 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: yourself or how you feel about your accomplishments, because you 75 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: don't always get the recognition, period and you especially don't 76 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: always get it when you deserve it. And and I 77 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: say that because there's one name on it, well, two 78 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: names really that stick out on this list, so Jake 79 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: Jake Plumber one. But the other name that stuck out 80 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: on this list was rocket Ishmael. Rocket Ishmael was that 81 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: Notre dame. He's one of the most like in the 82 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: From eight to ninety he was literally the most or 83 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: could have been the most popular player in college football history. 84 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't sorry in college football at that time. I mean, 85 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: Notre Dame was on top um. He was just so 86 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: dynamic and it was. But he's in the same class 87 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: as as McNair. I'm sorry as Jonathan Jonathan Geez, Darren McFadden. 88 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: Davin McFadden was a fine player in Arkansas. Arkansas didn't 89 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: win anything. He's also in the same class as uh 90 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: Joe Joe Thomas who finished in oh six. He's he's 91 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: going to the He's going to the Pro Football Hall 92 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: of Fame as well. But it's just interesting to see 93 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: guys that finished in ninety six get in, guys that 94 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: finished in ninety nine get hit. But then you have 95 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: a guy finished in two thousand and seven. This sounds 96 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: like a Jerry Jones. Uh money lad, Uh lead thing? 97 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: What do you think? I mean? Yeah, but I you 98 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: you bring up Jerry Jones and you bring up money, 99 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: and that just kind of brings me back to uh 100 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: Dennis Erickson for some reason, And I'm reading a little 101 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: bit about him. Did you know that when he was 102 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: named the head coach of Washington State, which was back 103 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: in seven, his five year deal had a base salary 104 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: of seventy thousand dollars a year. Oh lord, oh lot, dude. 105 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: So he did not get rich coaching, I mean eventually eventually, 106 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: but he you know that. So he he went three 107 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: seven and one his first year in Washington State, flip 108 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: them to go nine and three. That's what got him 109 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: the Miami job, which is then he went sixty three 110 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: and nine in Miami, which is what then turned around 111 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: and got him a couple of NFL gigs, and so 112 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: he definitely got his money. Um. But it's just interesting 113 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: to see how far coaching salaries have been inflated. Dude, dude, 114 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: there's not even an assistant on a power of five 115 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: staff probably that makes seventy thousand dollars even at like 116 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: records or was especially not now that they got a 117 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: new if they're playing paying their head man four million dollars, 118 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: I can guarantee you there are ground screw guys that 119 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: make more than seventy yep um rocket Ishmael finished in 120 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: second in the Heisman Trophy race. Second in the Heisman 121 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: Trophy Race. Heavy it was electric but whatever, man um, 122 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: but congratulate lations to those guys, and especially Troy Polamalu. 123 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: I've known him. Since we got to college. We played 124 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: together literally from n oh two. We both left our 125 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: junior year UM and he's a Pro Football Hall of Famer. 126 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: But but he this dude's a good person and I 127 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: and he was just very He was a guy who 128 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: played so fast. I just I just remember that. I 129 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: remember playing UM in Autin Stadium. I caught a pass. 130 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: I was running a crossing route across the middle. I 131 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: thought that when I caught the ball, because when you're 132 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: out there running routes, you have spatial awareness of where 133 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: everybody else is on the field, so you know when 134 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna get hit. You know, you know where people are, 135 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: whether you need to catch it and tuck or whatever. 136 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: I caught a ball probably on like the fifteen yard 137 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: line on a crossing route. I thought that I was 138 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: going to run in the end zone unimpeded. There was 139 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: nobody there. There was nobody even close to me. And 140 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: then but as soon as I caught the ball and turned, 141 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: Troy Polamalo hit me right in my hip. I was like, 142 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: where the hell did you come from? Like that, That's 143 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: the way he played football, and as a dB, that 144 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: is an excellent trait. If that's what people say about you, 145 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: Where the hell did this dude come from? And so 146 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: that's the highest praise that I can give him. Where 147 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: the hell did you come from? Buddy? Yeah? I think 148 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: the coolest thing about Troy polam true Troy Pomelo is 149 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: that there wasn't anybody who didn't like him. Um, and 150 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: that includes like opponents. You know, you you can have 151 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: that thing where somebody is a really really good player 152 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: and you can hate them for and and respect them later, 153 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: you know down here. Um, in the Territorial Cup rivalry, 154 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: all the A s U fans hated uh Scooby right, 155 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: but they when he was done, they were like, oh, 156 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: thank goodness, Like, we respect that guy. He was great. Um. 157 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: With Troy Paula Malu, it was like when you're playing 158 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: against him and he did something, even if it was 159 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: too or against your team, part of you was like, wow, 160 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: you know that was so cool when he would blitz 161 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: up the middle, when he would time the snap count 162 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: and blitz up the middle from the defensive backfield. Like 163 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember the Super Bowl between the Cardinals 164 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: and the Steelers, uh ten years ago, and it was 165 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: like the first time the Cardinals ever had any success. 166 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: It was look so excited to root for them. And 167 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: but my wife is from Pittsburgh and she wouldn't even 168 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: let my infant son dress up in Arizona Cardinals gear, 169 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: even though they've been there before a million times. He's 170 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: out there in black and yellow, you know. And and 171 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: uh and I remember in that Super Bowl just wanting 172 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: nothing more than for the Cardinals to have success. But 173 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: every single time I saw Troy pally Mallo like anywhere 174 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: on the field, that's where my gaze went, like, what's 175 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: he gonna do? What's he gonna do? Um? So even 176 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: in like the biggest moment when I wanted my team 177 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: to win more than anything in the entire world, I 178 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: was still like fascinated by um by Troy pally Mallo. 179 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: And and you know how they were using him. Um, 180 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: he was just I mean I would liken him to 181 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: um you know, like oh four oh three, Mike Vick 182 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: of where that's the reason you would turn the game 183 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: on to see what he was doing. And so um yeah, 184 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: and he had a lot of success at the at 185 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: the collegiate level, and it's cool to see him being 186 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: honored by the college football Um. I wanted to to 187 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: just mentioned something really quickly is that I was thinking 188 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: about m about what was going on with the Heisman Trophy, 189 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: what was going on with the um with the finalists 190 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: for the Heisman Trophy, and that got me to thinking 191 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: about about what was going on in college football where 192 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: people hate the hate the transfers right there, like, oh god, 193 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: this is making college football wrong and all of these things. 194 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: Three of the four Heigsman Trophy finalists, Joe Burrow, Justin Fields, 195 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: and Jayla Hurts I didn't even aren't playing at the 196 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: school that they started at. So if they weren't allowed 197 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: to transfer, they would be sitting on the bench, sitting 198 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: behind somebody right now because they either picked the wrong 199 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: school somebody else, you know, played well in front of them, 200 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: because it's hard to take people spot all right. Yeah, 201 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: not not only that, but in the case of everyone 202 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: but Joe Burrow in Ohio State, like the that team 203 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: they left had less success. You know, Jake from and 204 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: Georgia are not going to the college football playoff t 205 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: uh and Mac Jones and Alabama are not going to 206 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: the college football playoffs, and so um, yeah, it definitely 207 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: this is definitely going to embolden anybody who's out there 208 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: who believes like, I gotta do what's best for me. Um, 209 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: because you know Justin Fields as a Heisman finalist over 210 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: Jake from who would have had him on the bench, 211 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, and and and even even you know, Jacob 212 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: Eeson is out here, you know, getting the opportunity to 213 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: to lead Washington and they're going to play in a 214 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: bowl game and everything like that, and he might he 215 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: might have the opportunity to go pro, whereas he would 216 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: just be chilling in Athens doing nothing. And so, um, yeah, 217 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: I mean I think that it's probably lee. This is 218 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: this is probably the case in point. This college Football 219 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: Playoff is what anybody will point to when they say 220 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: that like that that you know, transferring might not necessarily 221 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: be a good thing. Um, you can point to the 222 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen College Football Playoff and say, like, what about 223 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: these guys who bet on themselves? Because if Joe Burrows 224 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: had stayed at Ohio State, do you think he would 225 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: have beat Justin Fields out? I don't. I don't think so. 226 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: I think the writing was on the wall there. Um, 227 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, he goes to l s U and he's 228 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: able to have a ton of success. Justin Fields to me, 229 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: and I'm probably in the minority on this, but to me, 230 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: Justin Fields looked like the best player in college football. Um, 231 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: and he would have been on the bench at Georgia's 232 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: So um yeah, I mean I think that I think 233 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: that the verdict is in this is what you do 234 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: is you bet on yourself and you put yourself in 235 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: the best possible situation. Yeah, oh yeah, agree, agree with 236 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: it and okay, so yeah that I've always been a 237 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: favor of players being able to transfer. I've always been 238 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: a favor of it because the coaches move without you know, 239 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: without penalty. They get a chance to go wherever they 240 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: think that their best move is. So players should have 241 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: that same flexibility. They do to a certain extent now. 242 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: But then there are still times that the n C 243 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: Double A, you have coaches hold up their transfers like 244 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: Coast and Yankoff at Washington. I mean, they are countless 245 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: times where people are deemed eligible immediately and don't face 246 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, uh, scrutiny from the n C Double A 247 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: or from their former team. And then there are other 248 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: players who have legitimate reasons and shouldn't even have to 249 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: make up reasons for immediately being eligible, Like why is 250 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: Justin Fields. Was Justin Fields immediately eligible for going to 251 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: Ohio State. But then the kid transferring from Georgia I 252 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: think to uh to like West Virginia or something like 253 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: like that, he's not immediately eligible. He's got a sick 254 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: family member. And you're like, why because big money wins. 255 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: It's just it's just crazy, like not that not that 256 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: Justin Fields should not have been eligible, because he should 257 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: have been. It's it's just frustrating. Um another award. Actually, 258 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: let's let's just get to the Pack twelve our conference awards. 259 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: I just thought that, so you you had um you 260 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: had on the Pack twelve team. You have the quarterbacks 261 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley and Anthony Gordon. Mind you, these votes are 262 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: selected by the PAC twelve head coaches, the PAC twelve 263 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: head coaches, and they're done within forty eight hours of 264 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve championship. So this is not a case 265 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: where it's a regular season and you then don't see 266 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: what happened in the PAC twelve championship. You just see it. 267 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: What was your take, actually, yeah, before we even go there, Ralph, 268 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: what was your take on the PAC twelve honorees. Um, 269 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: I I thought that it was a little bit messy. 270 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't think that there's much more 271 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: that I can say about it that wasn't sort of 272 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: indeed about back both online. The The thing that stood 273 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: out to me more than anything was obviously Cabon Thibodeau 274 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: winning the Pac twelve Defensive Freshman of the Year award, 275 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: but being behind Drake Jackson on the UM list of honorees. 276 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: Drake Jackson I believe made All Pac twelve second Team 277 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: defensive lineman, and Cabon Thibodeau was just an honorable mention. 278 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: And so that begs the question of how how could 279 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: is possibly determine that someone was the best freshman in 280 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: the conference but not better than another freshman like that, 281 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: That part of it didn't make a whole lot of 282 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: sense to me. Um. I thought that, you know, I 283 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: thought that Justin Herbert probably deserved more than just an 284 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: honorable mention. I think that Anthony gordon stats in a 285 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: six win season were a little bit hollow. Um. Even 286 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: though he definitely deserves some praise for for what he 287 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: was able to put together as a fifth year senior, 288 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he does. Another thing that stood 289 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: out is if you want to know why University of 290 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: Arizona is struggling. In the last forty years, there have 291 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: been three seasons in which they have not had a 292 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: Pack twelve first team member or a Pack twelve second 293 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: team member, and all three of those years have come 294 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: Wait wait what what so that? So in the last 295 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: forty years there are only three seasons in which University 296 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: of Arizona did not have a Pack twelve first team 297 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: or second team honoree and that was you know, Pac 298 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: ten for the thirty years of his Pack ten and 299 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: those years are nineteen. They didn't have a single person 300 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: on the first team or the second team for the 301 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: third out of four years. Wow, so things are not 302 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: good in two zone. And also Amlakara, she had probably 303 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: should have been second team and they had him as 304 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: a linebacker. So it makes me wonder if they were 305 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: just trying to fit him in. Oh yeah, yeah, that dude. Look. 306 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: So the thing that stood out to me, that stood 307 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: out to me, I believe, here's the thing that makes 308 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: no sense to me, no sense to me, is you 309 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: have the team that won the conference. The team that 310 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: won the conference in the Oregon Ducks have only one 311 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: player on first team all Pack twelve, Pasol and then 312 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: have what three players well, and then then have c J. Birdale, 313 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: Shane Lemieux and Troy Die on second team. That's it. 314 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: That's all you got from the Pack twelve champion. That 315 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: makes zero sense. Like, and it's unprecedented when you go 316 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 1: through the like the previous seasons, the previous seasons, like 317 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: any team that finished that one conference, especially going away, 318 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: always has some of the most selections on first team 319 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: Pack twelve and said all Pack twelve selections. So Washington 320 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: finished four games behind the Ducks in the North, had 321 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: more first team selections than they even had total selections. 322 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: And we're not talking special teams, and that's not even 323 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: counting special teams. USC lost twice as many games and 324 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: scored thirty two fewer points against Oregon and had more 325 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: all conference players. Utah didn't beat USC and didn't beat 326 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: Oregon and didn't win the conference championship and had two 327 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: and a half times the number of all conference selections 328 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: as Oregon ten to four. Does that sound like a 329 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: coincidence to you, Ralph or does this sound like like 330 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: the other coaches in the Pack twelve hate Oregon? No? 331 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: I think that I think that it was just I 332 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: mean this is supposedly supposed to be the head coach 333 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: is making these picks, and it just shows you that 334 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 1: the coaches have as hard of a time watch Impact 335 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: twelve football as most basic fans. So if you want 336 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: to kick reponsibility up to Larry Scott, feel for you. 337 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: But I just I looked at this and it just 338 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: seemed like it was kind of hastily put together. They 339 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: didn't They didn't look at it from which the angles 340 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: that it would look messy, because you know, just from 341 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: an Arizona State perspective, you saw the complaints that for 342 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: the second year in a row, even though Arizona States 343 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: defense is vastly improved, Arizona State didn't have a single 344 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: player on the first team or second team defense. Will 345 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: ask Oregon and ask cal who were both ranked of 346 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: the time about Arizona State defense, Right, there has to 347 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: be somebody from there that had that, that is in 348 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: the top twenty four players um in the conference. Then 349 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: you look at the year that Isaiah Hodgens hadn't We 350 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: were debating on this podcast whether he was one of 351 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: the top three receivers talent wise, by any production wise. 352 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: It wasn't close, but we were debating whether he's one 353 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: of the top three receivers talent wise in the conference. 354 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: On this podcast, you know, he ends up second team. 355 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: You have Anthony Gordon, who was outplayed by Jake Lewton 356 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: head to head, who was probably outplayed by Jade Daniel's 357 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: head to head was you know, and they they only won, um, 358 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: you know, something like four conference games. And he's getting 359 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: honored over Luton. He's getting honored over Herbert, which is 360 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: the one that I thought was, you know, the most ridiculous. 361 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: And then just on its face, the simplest thing of 362 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: of honoring a Pack twelve freshman and then in your 363 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: conference awards saying that that freshman is actually worse than 364 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: another wor had a worse year than another freshman. It's 365 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: just this conference can't do anything smoothly, it feels like. 366 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: And then the coach the Coach of the Year thing 367 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: is weird because there's a bunch of years where Wittingham 368 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: has deserved it and this year probably wasn't it. Dude. 369 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: So you you have the coach who had the most 370 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: Pack twelve All Pac twelve first and second team players. 371 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: He had ten of them, bunch of them on the 372 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: first team. Loses the conference championship by twenty two points, 373 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: and then the to the guy who you say had 374 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: the least amount of talent, clearly because only four players 375 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: made it four So how does that guy then not 376 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: win Coach of the Year. I'm with you, It felt 377 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: like it's hard for me to get super mad about 378 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: that one, because it's like, all right, well, he probably 379 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, there are quite a few times when he 380 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: probably deserved that consideration, um, and didn't and didn't get it, 381 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: and now he has it, and so you know, good 382 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: for him, and that he did go eight into in 383 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: conference play, and the eight wins were by an average 384 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: of ten. So I do understand you can make a case, um. 385 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: But as somebody else who I followed did say that, 386 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, for so many people, Coach of the Year 387 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: is about breaking and exceeding expectations. And Utah was expected 388 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: to win the South so um, and they were expected 389 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: to win the conference. At PAC twelve media day, they 390 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: were the they were the choice people expected them to win. 391 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: They there their schedule dictated that they could win. They 392 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: didn't play Oregon in the regular season, and I don't 393 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: think they played Stanford as well. So and Stanford was 394 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: and I don't know. I mean, I don't know how 395 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: controversial this is gonna sound to you when I say it. 396 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: But I also feel like they lost the PAC twelve 397 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: championship with the better team. I think they were the 398 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: better team, the more senior, heavy, more talented, from top 399 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: to bottom team got beat by three touchdowns. I bro 400 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: I can't It makes zero sense and the only thing 401 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: I can make out of it because mind you there 402 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: they had fewer first and second team selections than any 403 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: other conference champion over the last nine years, and it's 404 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: not even close. Think you think about this, seen Washington 405 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: had twelve, Stanford tenen Stanford had ten, Oregon uh ten, 406 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: USC and fifteen had nine. Stanford in eighteen had had eight, 407 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: Washington in twenty eleven had eight, Oregon in twenty nineteen 408 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: has four. What do you feel like they got right? 409 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: Do you feel like they got anything? Like? Just you 410 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: think what the defensive player of the year. Probably yeah, 411 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: I thought that that okay, So they have Zack Moss 412 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: as Offensive player of the Year. I personally think that's 413 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: fair because they're never going to give Offensive Player of 414 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: the Year to a to a to a tackle. I 415 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: want because the real and the real MVP of the 416 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: conference was a sophomore offensive lineman and they're not gonnay, 417 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: it just would never happen. He did win the Morris 418 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: Trophy for the best offensive slash defensive lineman in the conference, 419 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: though pinas one one that But remember we talked about 420 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: though that Zack mass should be packed to a Offensive 421 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: Player of the Year. I thought they got that right, 422 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: just just because I mean, it wasn't like he had 423 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,959 Speaker 1: a spectacular season, but he did have a solid season 424 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: and there was not really anybody to contend with him. 425 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: He rest for thirteen hundred yards and fifteen touchdown, which 426 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: is a solid season, but in but it's not great 427 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: by Pack twelve standards because we've had guys put up 428 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: damn near two thousand yards and and he rose from 429 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: the grave against a s U. So you gotta you 430 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: gotta respect the divinity because I was I was a 431 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: hundred per cential he was going to be done for 432 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: multiple weeks. When he was oh yeah, motion, let's on 433 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: the field. He came back to score a touchdown. I think, yep, 434 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: yep uh defensive playarity or Evan Weaver at Cow. It 435 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: is hard to not give it to a guy who 436 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: leads the nation in tackles with a hundred and seventy 437 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: three fourteen tackles a game. I mean, okay, let's let's 438 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: put this in perspective. Cal single season record of a 439 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven sacks was set in nine five 440 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: by by Hardy Nickerson. That's where this dude is at. 441 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: And he joins Uh Michael Kendricks from Cal who was 442 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year, Ron Rivera Delta O'Neill, which 443 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: was amazing. He was the first player I'd ever seen 444 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: to have three picks in a game. And Damien Hughes 445 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, and then I thought they 446 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: got Offensive Freshmen of the Year Keathan Slovis, right, Um, yeah, 447 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: it's just like the kid was throwing the ball all 448 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: over the place. But but I do too. I think 449 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: there are a lot of There were a lot of 450 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: people who were like, but what about Jane Nils, But 451 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: what about Jane Daniels. Um, I think that award was 452 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: one when Keithan Slovis through for two nine seven yards 453 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: in the first quarter against Arizona. Yeah, I mean, granted, Uh, 454 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: there's an article on Unafraid Show saying that Jaden Daniels 455 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: is the future of the back twelve. But it's hard 456 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: to argue with what Keaton Slovians did this year. He 457 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: was the third string quarterback and came in and was 458 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: absolutely electric. Mind you, he did not play every game 459 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: of the season because I think he missed two with injury. 460 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: But but the kid what he end up passing for. 461 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: He ended up passing for almost three hundred yards a game, 462 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: which was second in the conference. Yeah, he threw from 463 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: where where did he go six and four as the 464 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: as the primary quarterback? Because he you can't give him 465 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: for the Utah victory not knocked out on the second 466 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: play of the game. So that's a Matte Fink win 467 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: to me, regardless of whether Keaton Slovis started or not. 468 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: So he went six and four, including the run to 469 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: end the season, and he beat a s U who 470 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: was without Jaden Daniels in that game. Jane Daniels went 471 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: seven and four with not a bit of numbers, but 472 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: he did have wins over three ranked opponents. Yeah, so 473 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: I can see why people are making that case. But again, 474 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: Keith and Sylivis through for three hundred yards and four 475 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: touchdowns in one quarter against Arizona State like that, you 476 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: will never get away from the fact that you had 477 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: the best quarter in the last fifteen years of college 478 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: football against the team that you're trying to make an 479 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: argument that that quarterback. You know, yeah, and you just 480 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: I get I don't think it's unfair, is what I'm 481 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: trying to say. I think keatn sylivis Yeah, Yeah, it's 482 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: it's tough when you just look at the raw numbers 483 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: as well. They both U one of them played ten games, 484 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: the other one played eleven games, and you got thirty 485 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: two hundred and forty two yards and twenty eight touchdowns 486 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: versus and seventeen touchdowns. I mean that's eleven more touchdowns, 487 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: another five hundred yards, you know, in one less game. 488 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: It's it's it's gonna be tough to argue against that. 489 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: So I didn't have a problem with that. But um 490 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: and fresh and defensive Freshmen of the Year, I think 491 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: they got they got right, even though they messed up, 492 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: even though they messed up on the defensive, on the 493 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: on the teams, which is absolutely craziness to me, but whatever, Um, 494 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: but I think that they got that right. And I 495 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: think that they utterly failed on culture of the Year 496 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: utterly failed on Culture of the Year. This was it 497 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: made zero sense to me, Ralph. I just can't see 498 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: how the coach of the Year is when's the has 499 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: the quote unquote best players in the conference loses the 500 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: conference championship game, but then you don't give it to 501 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: the guy who has the least the amount of talent 502 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: according to your uh uh thing, dude, this is just 503 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: absolute craziness. Um I did want to give credit to 504 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert as well because there because there were some 505 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: other categories. So you have Penasso, who won the Morris 506 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: Trophy for the most outstanding offensive slash defensive Lineman in 507 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: the fact, well, and you had Justin Herbert because they 508 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: are student athletes, so you do have to acknowledge people, 509 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: especially for the student aspect. He won the William J. 510 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: Campbell Trophy with a four point oh one, the Academic Heisman, 511 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: the Academic Heisman, and he had over a four point 512 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: oh in nine terms over his uh over his time 513 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: at Oregon and is a three time Deans List honoree 514 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: and then was out there playing football, so you gotta 515 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: get a kid credit for that. Um uh. The last 516 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: thing we got up today though, is the black twelve 517 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: players declaring for the NFL Draft. Right now, we have 518 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: a couple. We have obviously Laviska shoud Not which we 519 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: mentioned on the last episode. Trey Adams and Hunter Bryant, 520 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: the tight end, the tackling tight end from Washington, both 521 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: going in the drafts. You got J. J. Taylor who 522 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: announced way before he way before he even played in 523 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: the Territorial Cup, and before he even played against Utah. 524 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 1: And now we hear that K. D. Nixon, the third 525 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: wide receiver at Colorado who caught for thirty five catches, 526 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: four seventy five yards and five touchdowns, is declaring for 527 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: the draft. And and people suspect, you know, Benjamin will 528 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: declare as well. So out of these six players who 529 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: are underclassman, how do you feel about this, Ralph? I 530 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: don't see any of them being first day Do you 531 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: feel like I'm wrong there? I don't think. I don't 532 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: think there's the first maybe even a second day pick 533 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: amongst the early well we'll discussional could be, uh the 534 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: discussional and Trey Adams maybe have a shot being second 535 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: round picks. Um, But I don't think anybody's leaving for 536 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: that first round money. Um, and Katie Nixon, I think 537 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: is going to be somebody who is going to have 538 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: to really impress with his combine performance in order to 539 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: be considered to even be drafted at all. You know, 540 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: you never really know what's going on in somebody's life 541 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: or or you know, why they're making the decision that 542 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: they're going to make. Um. But he's not somebody who 543 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: had a lot of production, but is somebody who has 544 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: just freakish athletic talent and but but not size. And 545 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: so it'll be interesting to see, um, how the process 546 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: plays out for him and ultimately how it affects Colorado 547 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: because I think they lose Tony Brown leabiscussion all and 548 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: Katie Nixon. Now, which makes it interesting that Brendan Rice 549 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: is sort of waffling on his commitment to Colorado because 550 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: there's nothing but room to go in there and shine immediately, 551 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: you know. Um, And so that's interesting to me. I 552 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: look at you know, Benjamin and J. J. Taylor, and 553 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: that's the strange one to me because I think that 554 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: you know, Benjamin is probably going to get overlooked. He 555 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: the people are going to mention the fact that he had, 556 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: you know, no issue with fumbling whatsoever his first two 557 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: years of college and then all of a sudden this year, 558 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: he's getting hit from every direction and he's dropping the ball. 559 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: I think he might have fumbled five times, maybe more, 560 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: lost a couple of him in critical, you know, situations, 561 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: But a lot of it's just because he's trying to 562 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: do so much on his own. And you watched him play. 563 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he he is. He is giving one on 564 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: every carry and sometimes it works out for him, sometimes 565 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: it doesn't. But they don't win at Michigan State without him. 566 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: They don't win a lot of these games without him. 567 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: They don't destroy you of a without him, you know. 568 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: And so uh, and then J. J. Taylor is the 569 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: one that I feel probably the best about in knowing 570 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: exactly what he brings to the table. Um. He's decent 571 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 1: enough in past protection. He's diminutive, but he's really quick. 572 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: He could be a plug and play workhorse back if 573 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: you need him to, which you probably never will at 574 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: the NFL level, But if you have a game where 575 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: everybody's injured and you need to give him fifteen to 576 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 1: twenty carries, he can handle that. He can catch balls 577 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: out of the backfield. He kind of reminds me of 578 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: Brian Hill with the Atlanta Falcons, who played at Wyoming, 579 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: who needed a couple of years to acclimate, and then 580 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now he's out there contributing. He's 581 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: got a couple of times towns. So I to me, J. J. 582 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: Taylor is a guy that will probably be in the 583 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: league four or five years and maybe even shine a 584 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: few weeks. Um, maybe even you know, be somebody who 585 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: ends up on people's fantasy teams in in tough situations 586 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: here and there. But um, you know, the the Hunter 587 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: Bryant thing is really interesting to me just because of 588 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: the the tweener size and the lack of being a 589 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: multi use tight end and then uh and then the 590 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: Katie nixing things. It's just it's pretty wild to me 591 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: because I did not see that coming at all. No, 592 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: that was out of the blue, dude. That was like, excuse, 593 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: excuse me. I See when you have guys coming out 594 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: in the draft like that, there is something behind it. 595 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: Typically there's either a grades issue or a family issue 596 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: that kids feel like, Okay, I gotta go right now. 597 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: I don't have a whole lot of options. That's usually 598 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: what it is. And I was a player who left early. 599 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: I left after my junior year, ended up going in 600 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: the fourth round, and that was devastating to me, Like 601 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: that was one of the more devastating things in my life, 602 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: like that that had happened because Um, I came out 603 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: projected second round pick, maybe late first, like depending on 604 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: how I tested all of that. Draft day comes into 605 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: the first round, phone starts ringing a g We're gonna 606 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: pick you know, we're um. You know if you're around 607 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,479 Speaker 1: at our pick, we're gonna snatch you up. Blah blah blah. 608 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 1: So I'm cool. I'm sitting on the couch with my 609 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: with my family because this is when the draft was 610 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: UM two days, first, second and third round on the 611 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: first day, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh. On the second day, 612 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and then you see names started popping 613 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 1: up and I'm like, uh, and the name that really 614 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: even this guy is a good guy. The two names 615 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: that just popped up before me that just hurt me 616 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: were L. J. Smith tight In from Rutgers I think 617 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: it was from Ruggers wherever the he was from, um 618 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: and not but he's not the guy I'm saying. It's 619 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: the good, good guy, the guy that ended up turning 620 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: out to like and be cool with was Pashanta Schenko 621 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: and he came from a little small school, and I 622 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: was just like, who the hell was this dude? I 623 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: didn't remember the combine and but but it wasn't so 624 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: much being jealous of anybody else. It was more hurt 625 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: for me. And then come to find out that I 626 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,919 Speaker 1: was said to have character issues. I was like, what 627 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: character issues? I was the youth group leader in my 628 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: in my church, Like, how the hell did I have 629 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: character issues? But apparently they felt like that. And I 630 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: heard is from two different gms that I had character 631 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 1: that they were questioned whether they had character issues because 632 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: both of my roommates had had d U I s 633 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: UM and they had quote unquote apparently strong game ties 634 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: back in l A and we were best friends. But 635 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: that so that some kind of way made me have 636 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: character issues. I was like, I've never been in trouble 637 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: the day in my life. Never. So this is the 638 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: way the draft process goes. Um. There's a lot of 639 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: other factors that you don't have control of, and unless 640 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: you are going to be a first or second round pick, 641 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: like where you're projected, you probably shouldn't come out you 642 00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't like it, you know. And then also you 643 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: always have to look at is there room to go 644 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: up like a kid like in No Benjamin, Aside from 645 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, the the fumbling issues that he had this year, 646 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a whole lot more room that 647 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: another year is gonna take him up in the draft process. 648 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna all of a sudden be 649 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: a first round draft pic no matter what happens next year, 650 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: even if he rushed for two thousand yards, I think 651 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: he's pretty much gonna stay where he's at. J. J. 652 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: Taylor could probably move up. Laviska Shan not pretty much 653 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: is slotted where he slotted. He might be able to 654 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: creep into the first round, but he's probably a second 655 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: round pick. Um Trey Adams gonna be one of the 656 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: top offensive lineman, So there you gotta go, Hunter Bryant, 657 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: maybe you could show you can block a little bit 658 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: bit more. I think he's gonna be a guy who 659 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: could be a little bit disappointed ultimately with his draft 660 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: status because he spends the majority of his time not 661 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 1: with his hand in the ground, and that's not the NFL. 662 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: So that's my take on all those guys. Um. Oh 663 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 1: last thing though, Ralph, how do you feel about this? 664 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: What did you think when you saw this that the 665 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: Pack twelve refs? The Pack twelve referees are calling the 666 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: national Championship game, so they're either gonna call a game 667 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: between l S U or l S. You were Oklahoma 668 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: and Clemson, Yeah, yeah, and Clemson or Ohio State. How 669 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: do you think this turns out, Ralph? Well, I mean, 670 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: the fear is going to be there. Um. It feels 671 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: good as a Pack twelve fan to not have to 672 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: worry about it, to just know that, like if they 673 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: make a mistake, it doesn't really affect us at all. 674 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: Like that's a breathing and liberating experience. Ah. However, as 675 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,240 Speaker 1: somebody who would just like to see a good game, 676 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm having some anxiety if if if that's you know, 677 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: the appropriate way to to put it. I mean, I 678 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: met Here's an interesting thing. I actually met a Pack 679 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: twelve ref this last weekend. Um, and his name is 680 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: currently escaping name, but if I if I remember at all, 681 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: I'll bring it up. But he was on the sideline 682 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: of the Arizona High School Championship game because his son 683 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: was out here refing was out here refing the game. 684 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 1: His name is Kevin Kaiser, uh, and so he was 685 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 1: out here, is a nice enough guy. You know, We're 686 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,280 Speaker 1: on the sideline, and I was talking with him and everything, 687 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: and on his hand he had three giant rings. They 688 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: look like national championship rings. And that's when I learned 689 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: that these rests, these refing crews, they get bowl rings. 690 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: They for the games that they work. They get the 691 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: ring that like the team gets for participating. So he's 692 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: standing out there on the high school sideline with like 693 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: a fistfull of of championship rings. And I thought that 694 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: was I thought, I thought that was very interesting. Um 695 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean, my my hope is maybe maybe 696 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: he's one of the guys that will be out there 697 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,439 Speaker 1: on the on the crew, uh doing it. My hope 698 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 1: is that they do a good job. But my worry 699 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: is that if they do a good job, the entire 700 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: country is gonna be like, see, you guys were bitching 701 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: for nothing. UM like no, no, we've got caused. Um. 702 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: You know, I I do hope they do a good job, 703 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: though I don't want to. I don't want to see 704 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: I really don't want to see any nonsense. Uh, it 705 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: seems like officiating is getting worse, some worst everywhere. I 706 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: don't know if you saw kill Harry negated touchdown for 707 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: the for the New England Patriots, But like that, the 708 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: day and age we're living in is where like absolute 709 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: truth is coming into question because I don't know, people 710 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: are just not paying attention. It's it's it's crazy to me. 711 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: And I don't want people to be talking about the 712 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: reps the next day, the day after that, the National Championship. 713 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: I don't want that at all, but I definitely do 714 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: have some anxiety over what could possibly happen. Okay, I 715 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: mean SEC fans are are are still already upset SEC 716 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: fans and Big TIM fans in the Michigan State Pack 717 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,879 Speaker 1: twelve game, I'm sorry, the Michigan State Arizona State game. 718 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 1: And you got the cow Old Miss game where calls 719 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: were made, so their conferences are already piste off at 720 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: Pack twelve reps for the cow old Miss game, the 721 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 1: way it ended where they thought old Miss gore tod 722 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: sham what they call them short like that was that 723 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: didn't go over well at all. So there are two 724 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: people already understand and I'm gonna tell you this watch 725 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: for past interference calls because there because those conferences are 726 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 1: typically the Big ten, and the SEC in particular are 727 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: called they let them be very physical and Pact twelve reps. 728 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: If you blow on a guy, expect to pass interference calls. 729 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: So that may favor certain teams if if you are 730 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: if you have an itchy trigger figure. But I just 731 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: pray though that there's no you know, cal Washington State 732 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 1: fifteen yard penalty error that gives somebody to ball on 733 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: their own eight yard line instead of the other teams 734 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,879 Speaker 1: thirty five, that would be a disaster. I mean they 735 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,360 Speaker 1: would It would just look very bad, and then the 736 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: narrative would be, oh man, the Pact twelve couldn't get 737 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,319 Speaker 1: in the car and the college football playoffs, so they 738 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: sabotaged it. So yeah, exactly. So that's where the conference 739 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: is right right now. And it's one of those things 740 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: to where it's frustrating because everything that goes wrong is 741 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:22,760 Speaker 1: magnified comparatively to other conferences. Like if the SEC lost 742 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,919 Speaker 1: all their bowl games, people say, oh man, nobody really 743 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,359 Speaker 1: cares about the games, who cares whatever, but they're let 744 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,479 Speaker 1: but then let the Pack twelve lose, Oh my god, 745 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: they're weak. They're terrible, though, guys, we should have never 746 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,240 Speaker 1: had them in the playoffs. I mean, I'm just wondering 747 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: what happened? What are the SEC going to say if 748 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: Oklahoma beats l s U. What I they're far and away, 749 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: by far and away their best team L s U. 750 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: If they get beat by Oklahoma, that's gonna be. I 751 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: don't even know how the SEC spins at I don't know. 752 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,319 Speaker 1: Is that see, that's just it. Sometimes L s U 753 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: fans don't strike me as the SEC apologist. Sometimes I 754 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: think L s U fans are are almost normal when 755 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: it comes to just kind of supporting their teams. I 756 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: don't see a bunch of l s U fans out there. 757 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: I mean there are some, but I don't see not 758 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: as many Florida as Florida fans, you know, for some 759 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: reason go to bat for Alabama day and night. You know. 760 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,800 Speaker 1: So um, I don't know. I almost feel like LSU 761 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: was sort of on their own little little island within 762 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: the SEC sometimes and that like those fans don't always 763 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 1: go to bat for the other teams, and the other 764 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: teams fans don't always go to bat for L s U. 765 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: But I'm sure that LSU fans to me is a 766 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 1: little red end situation. Like when there's read to eat, 767 00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: they show up at the table, but you know, if 768 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,319 Speaker 1: if something goes wrong, then they're not gonna claim, just 769 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: like they don't claim any of the other teams in 770 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: the conference. Then aren't the top three teams year in 771 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: and year out. Yet they turn around and say those 772 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: teams that they don't claim are the reason that their 773 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 1: conference is so different, so they have to play against 774 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,919 Speaker 1: all those teams. So I mean, I don't I don't 775 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: have a lot of patients for all that nonsense, and 776 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't care what. I don't care what they have 777 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: to say, but I will say that like for some reason, 778 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 1: with just whether it's just coach O having experience in 779 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 1: other parts of the country, for Joe Burrows being an 780 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:40,400 Speaker 1: Ohio kid, um that this team, while definitely an SEC team, 781 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 1: feels different, especially with their ability to score the football, 782 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,400 Speaker 1: and so um, yeah, I don't know. I'm kind of 783 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 1: room for l s U though I I know that 784 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,439 Speaker 1: I know it's been a decade of SEC dominance or whatever, 785 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,959 Speaker 1: but I just there's so much fun and I'm there's 786 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,760 Speaker 1: not gonna be a situation in which I am unsatisfied 787 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,919 Speaker 1: with whoever comes out on up UM, because I think 788 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 1: the one team that everybody's probably rightfully counting out is Oklahoma. 789 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: Oh then if they were to turn around and yes, 790 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 1: I'm now you have the jail and hurts story and 791 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,919 Speaker 1: so there's not a team. If they lock, I mean, 792 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,200 Speaker 1: if they if they would, it'd be great theater, great 793 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: all that, and I love it. You guys. Thank you 794 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,920 Speaker 1: guys for listening to the Pack twelve Apostles podcast. Make 795 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,879 Speaker 1: sure you gotts to share the feed, tell a friend 796 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: about the Pack twelve Apostles and enjoyed. And we will 797 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: be back in just a couple of short days with 798 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,319 Speaker 1: a recruiting special. We appreciate it. Peace out, catch you 799 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:39,879 Speaker 1: guys later.