WEBVTT - You CAN Go Home Again!

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<v Speaker 1>You can go home again. It's one more thing I'm

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<v Speaker 1>strong andy thing before we get to that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know when you'll listen to this podcast. We were recording

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<v Speaker 1>this on April the seventh, nineteen ninety six. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a rumor going around flying around the internet that Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Carter has died and he has not. One US Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Lee put it out on his site, so that

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<v Speaker 1>helped spread it. Obviously, if you saw it on a

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<v Speaker 1>senator's site, you'd think it had to be true, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. Yeah, yeah, anyway, So if you were listening

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<v Speaker 1>last week when we were in Wisconsin for the Republican

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<v Speaker 1>National Convention, we were in Milwaukee, which is about halfway

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<v Speaker 1>up the state. I am from southwest Wisconsin, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least that's one of my many many home states. Lived

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<v Speaker 1>down there during my grade school years, and hadn't been

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<v Speaker 1>to see the family home where I lived as a

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<v Speaker 1>kid for half a century. Oh wow, not quite half

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<v Speaker 1>a century, but dang there. And so I drove. I

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<v Speaker 1>rented a car one day like Wednesday, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>just so sick of the convention and I didn't need

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<v Speaker 1>to see another speech, and I'm not a big city

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<v Speaker 1>guy anyway, so I want to get out of town.

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<v Speaker 1>I rented a car and I drove down to Little

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba City, Wisconsin, where I lived from second through eighth grade,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the year before that Hazel Green, which was

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<v Speaker 1>only two miles away, and before that Glena, Illinois, which

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<v Speaker 1>is only another seven miles away. Moved a number of

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<v Speaker 1>times as a kid, but went saw my childhood home

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<v Speaker 1>and my childhood grade school, which is not only still there,

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<v Speaker 1>but looks exactly the same. I mean exactly the same

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<v Speaker 1>as it did when I got on the school bus

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<v Speaker 1>and left it in nineteen seventy eight or whatever year.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, which is strange that it hasn't changed a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>The grade school looked exactly the same, The high school

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<v Speaker 1>next door looked exactly the same. The house I lived

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<v Speaker 1>in as a kid looked exactly the same. Was the

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<v Speaker 1>same color, garage looked the same. Nothing to change. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>town was the same size, roughly two thousand people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's funny because the whole you can't go home

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<v Speaker 2>refers to the fact that home isn't there anymore. The

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<v Speaker 2>people have changed, the place has changed, the memories you have,

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<v Speaker 2>this is just not there. Anymore. But your case, it

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<v Speaker 2>was it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would almost be disconcerting in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a little bit cool. Yeah, But so my

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<v Speaker 1>main takeaway was because it's a weird thing. Probably lots

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<v Speaker 1>of people have done this. It's a weird thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like bittersweet in a weird sort of way. Because

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<v Speaker 1>what's the bitter part that you wish? What do you

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<v Speaker 1>wish you were a kid again? Or I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't actually ever wished I was a kid again.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, Thank god, I don't know. Care free times

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, exactly the joys of riding your bike and

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<v Speaker 2>playing and not having to worry about adult stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anyway, I found it just mostly sweet sweet, except

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<v Speaker 1>for the fact that there are certain concrete things that

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<v Speaker 1>were significantly docum easily documented better then than they are now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just the rosy glow of history and you

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<v Speaker 1>only remember the good things and not the bad things

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<v Speaker 1>of that sort of stuff. I was looking at my

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<v Speaker 1>grade school. The same playground structure is there is when

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, and I took pictures the same

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<v Speaker 1>monkey bars, really tall, high dangerous monkey bars over really

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<v Speaker 1>hard dirt were still there. So is the giant tall

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<v Speaker 1>metal slide over hard dirt still there? I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we call them climbing bars. Now monkey bars reinforce as

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunate stereotypes about monkeys. They don't have the They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>tear that down and put up these spongy soft low slide,

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<v Speaker 1>no monkey bars. Like my park in Davis, California, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got a little what do you call the merry ground?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you call the things that you see

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<v Speaker 1>on and you spend except it's got some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like governor on it. It's got something that causes friction.

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<v Speaker 1>You can barely move it as an adult, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can get it going a little bit and then it

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<v Speaker 1>stops right away, so that doesn't spin too fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that is fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that amazing? I mean, And we now know because

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<v Speaker 1>Europe has done studies that the scary playerground equipment actually

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<v Speaker 1>helps kids with their anxiety and learning to deal with fear.

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<v Speaker 1>It's better for them in every way emotionally to climb

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<v Speaker 1>up on a monkey bars, or go down a fast slide,

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<v Speaker 1>or spin fast on the merry go round, then to.

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<v Speaker 2>Not And I remember that landmark German study was the

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<v Speaker 2>German insurance industry said that that the lack of that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing suppresses kids' ability to develop a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of risk assessment. They have no sense of what they

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<v Speaker 2>can and can't do, what would be safe, what would

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<v Speaker 2>be dangerous, and so they kind of careem through adulthood

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<v Speaker 2>having not worked through this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So it it hurts my heart that my kids

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<v Speaker 1>have never been up on really high rickety slide and

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<v Speaker 1>had that feeling, or you know.

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<v Speaker 3>A really hot day where it just burns you all

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<v Speaker 3>the way down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yes, hotske Bell's character you got to take

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<v Speaker 2>in Mcuba City, Wisconsin, say climb up that slide, then

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<v Speaker 2>slide down. If you fall off and land on your head,

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<v Speaker 2>the hard heart DIBt, you'll have learned something.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll go go, well, yeah, of course, there's all the

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<v Speaker 1>gravestones around there from all my classmates that died by

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<v Speaker 1>being on the Merry go Round going too fast or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you had to step over their bones on

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<v Speaker 2>the way to the softball field.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if my kids have ever been on

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<v Speaker 1>a Merry go Round where you're spinning it super fast

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<v Speaker 1>and you're going really really fast and you're hanging on

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<v Speaker 1>and you're about to fly off. I don't think they've

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<v Speaker 1>ever had that experience.

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<v Speaker 2>We used to jump off of it, Oh yeah, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>oh and go tumbling totally out of control across the

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<v Speaker 2>dirt or grass or whatever's around. We all did.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other part that bothered me even more was

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<v Speaker 1>there's a steep hill there that's still there, right next

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<v Speaker 1>to the playground and in the winter time because it's Wisconsin. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now this part is not better. This part. I sent

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<v Speaker 1>Joe a picture. There's like a on what you'd call

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<v Speaker 1>it an entryway or whatever to the school where it's

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<v Speaker 1>a recessed entryway about. And you won't believe this, Katie,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're a native California where it doesn't get cold,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like twenty feet deep or whatever, and you

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<v Speaker 1>could there's a name for that corridor something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>The doors cove the doors to the school and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a cement thing you walk into entryway or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. Anyway, on super cold days, as a

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<v Speaker 1>kid in Wisconsin, they would let us have for recess,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't matter what the weather was. I mean, my kids,

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<v Speaker 1>if if it's misty outside, they cancel recess. Yes, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>could get hurt and you will run on the slippery glass.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be and I'm not exaggerating a bit. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not a I walk two miles to school, up

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<v Speaker 1>and down the hills both ways. Whatever. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>thirty below zero outside with the life threatening cult. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just too cold to go out on

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<v Speaker 1>the playground. So we would huddle in the corridor, all

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<v Speaker 1>up against each other like those Penguin movies for body

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<v Speaker 1>warmp for the forty five minute recess and told me

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<v Speaker 1>out there, babies, until they open the door and let

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<v Speaker 1>us back in.

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<v Speaker 2>We have h we have firmed up. Indeed, it is

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<v Speaker 2>an alcove. You were You were hiding for your life

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<v Speaker 2>in an outdoor alcove.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty says, time you'd go out, huddle limico against each other,

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<v Speaker 1>help us.

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<v Speaker 2>Hanson said he did the same thing in elementary school.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in South Dakota, and you'd huddle against each other.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just like count the minutes until recess was over,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was as.

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<v Speaker 2>An eight year old, you're saying to your friends, those

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<v Speaker 2>who don't survive, I'll see you on the other sides, right, tell.

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<v Speaker 1>My story, you would say, before you went into fifth

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<v Speaker 1>grade math. Tell my mother, I love to.

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, yeah, you're right, because I remember recess. If it

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<v Speaker 3>was raining hard enough, it was movie day or something.

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<v Speaker 2>They would keep us in.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the theory was on that. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't need to be, that doesn't need to hang around.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's probably some benefits and toughening you up

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but that was a little extreme. But the

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<v Speaker 1>hill next to the playground really steep hill, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the wintertime it would be snow and it would turn

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<v Speaker 1>to ice and we would slide down that thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>everybody would bring their sleds on the bus, So you'd

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<v Speaker 1>get on the bus with your saucer or your sled

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and we'd stack them in the corner. And

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<v Speaker 1>at recess it was grab your sled, run outside and

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<v Speaker 1>just fly down this hill and your saucer spinning around,

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<v Speaker 1>or wreck your sled and go tumbling to the bottom. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that that can't happen at all, not

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<v Speaker 1>even close anymore, is a bad thing objectively. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>just the rosy looking at the past. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>better it was more fun, it was better for you emotionally,

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<v Speaker 1>and my kids just can't even believe that I got

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<v Speaker 1>to do that at school.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was so great, especially for the boys who

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<v Speaker 2>could run off all their exssig so they could sit

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<v Speaker 2>still unlearn. It's utterly necessary and it has been part

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<v Speaker 2>of rules forever practically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my memory is it was almost entirely boys. Not

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<v Speaker 1>all boys, but it was mostly boys. But yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was so much freaking fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be interested to know what the policy is at

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<v Speaker 3>your school now.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder, because they have the same playground. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if they let them sled down that hill bring their

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<v Speaker 1>own sledge. You know, you could never bring your own

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<v Speaker 1>sled to school, even if it was a perfectly safe

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<v Speaker 1>hill with like spotters and foam at the bottom. Well

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<v Speaker 1>the sled you brought a sled, somebody got hurt and

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't have a chance to check and see if

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<v Speaker 1>it was defective.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's just not a chart or not all kids

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<v Speaker 2>have sleds. So there's the equity issue.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why my son can't bring a football to school

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<v Speaker 1>to play catch with because there aren't enough for everybody

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<v Speaker 1>to play catch. He can't bring one because some kids

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have one, and that wouldn't that's the most idiotic

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<v Speaker 1>catching thing I've ever heard. It makes me militant. It

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<v Speaker 1>makes me want to hurt people with my fists. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the That is the taste that was

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<v Speaker 1>left in my mouth. Was not just the like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>rosy goal of the past where you emphasize the good.

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<v Speaker 1>It was objectively better then modern society and the points

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<v Speaker 1>I just laid out, I mean not even close. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's any way to get back to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>It believes me. It hurts my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's bad for the country in every kind of way,

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<v Speaker 1>not just fun for kids. But it's just that, and

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<v Speaker 1>all the tentacles of that attitude are so bad for

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<v Speaker 1>freaking everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree we're a nation of eel calves,

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<v Speaker 2>an Armstrong and getty saying that probably goes back twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years and we have not been proven anywhere close to wrong. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I got in conversation with a number of people from

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<v Speaker 1>different places in Wisconsin about how my kids love it

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<v Speaker 1>when we go out of state because then they can

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<v Speaker 1>go to a swimming pool where you're allowed to do

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<v Speaker 1>a cannonball into the water because they don't let them

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<v Speaker 1>do that in my town. There's rules against the cannonball.

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<v Speaker 2>Again. You see all the dead bodies floating there in

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<v Speaker 2>municipal pools all over the country from kids who died

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<v Speaker 2>of doing a cannon ball.

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<v Speaker 3>There was this great swim hole in my hometown where

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up, and we used to have this platform

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<v Speaker 3>you could swim out to and it had this diving

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<v Speaker 3>board on it that had it was spring loaded. It

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<v Speaker 3>was so fun and I'll never forget the summer they

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<v Speaker 3>took it out because they said, no, no, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>You had to take a swimming test and everything to

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<v Speaker 3>get out there. So I mean they you know, yet

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure you could swim. But they they got

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<v Speaker 3>rid of that thing because it was just too dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Nobody died, and I don't think hardly anybody likes this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the problem that I've always had with it as

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<v Speaker 1>a free society democracy. I gotta believe eighty percent. There

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<v Speaker 1>are people, I know people.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, I gotta disagree, but go on,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you what do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Think the percentages are that that that are okay with?

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<v Speaker 1>I W Well, I could use the ridiculous example of

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<v Speaker 1>doing cannonballs in the pool.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta bright to start there. Well, it depends entire land,

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<v Speaker 2>where you are, where you live, I'll bet, especially among women,

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<v Speaker 2>it is six it's two thirds. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I would guess. I know. I this

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<v Speaker 1>woman who I really really like. I mean, she's just fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>But she told me about when the skateboard skateboard park

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<v Speaker 1>opened up years ago. She and the other moms would

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<v Speaker 1>go there and sit there and make sure all the

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<v Speaker 1>kids had their helmets on before they would let them

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<v Speaker 1>use it. And then you know, she wasn't able to

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<v Speaker 1>keep doing that when her kids got older. I was like, really,

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<v Speaker 1>you would go there and enforce these rules on other

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<v Speaker 1>people's kids whether or not they wanted to wear a

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<v Speaker 1>helmet skateboarding?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, safety last figure it out for yourself. Kids.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But so you think there are a number of

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<v Speaker 1>people that want the diving board gone, Oh yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>it can't be the majority.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way it's the majority. Is it depends where

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<v Speaker 2>we are?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's troubling.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>During COVID is when I learned how many people want

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<v Speaker 3>to be led, and I was shocked by that. They

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<v Speaker 3>really looked at the government and they want you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's a good, good point there, Michael, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>look at COVID, Look at the experience. There the number

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<v Speaker 2>who are utterly willing to shut off their own agency

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<v Speaker 2>and just do whatever their overlord's told them.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell this story about the time I was painting

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<v Speaker 1>the whitewash fence and I started trading apples for people

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<v Speaker 1>and I got other people to paint them. Did that

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<v Speaker 1>happen to me or tell me more?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a hazy memory, charming. Well, I guess that's it.