1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: You can go home again. It's one more thing I'm 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: strong andy thing before we get to that. I don't 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: know when you'll listen to this podcast. We were recording 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: this on April the seventh, nineteen ninety six. But there's 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: a rumor going around flying around the internet that Jimmy 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: Carter has died and he has not. One US Senator 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Mike Lee put it out on his site, so that 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: helped spread it. Obviously, if you saw it on a 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: senator's site, you'd think it had to be true, but 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, yeah, anyway, So if you were listening 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: last week when we were in Wisconsin for the Republican 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: National Convention, we were in Milwaukee, which is about halfway 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: up the state. I am from southwest Wisconsin, or at 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: least that's one of my many many home states. Lived 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: down there during my grade school years, and hadn't been 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: to see the family home where I lived as a 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 1: kid for half a century. Oh wow, not quite half 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: a century, but dang there. And so I drove. I 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: rented a car one day like Wednesday, when I was 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: just so sick of the convention and I didn't need 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: to see another speech, and I'm not a big city 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: guy anyway, so I want to get out of town. 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: I rented a car and I drove down to Little 24 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: Cuba City, Wisconsin, where I lived from second through eighth grade, 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: and then the year before that Hazel Green, which was 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: only two miles away, and before that Glena, Illinois, which 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: is only another seven miles away. Moved a number of 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: times as a kid, but went saw my childhood home 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: and my childhood grade school, which is not only still there, 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: but looks exactly the same. I mean exactly the same 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: as it did when I got on the school bus 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: and left it in nineteen seventy eight or whatever year. 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: It was. 34 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: Wow, which is strange that it hasn't changed a bit. 35 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: The grade school looked exactly the same, The high school 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: next door looked exactly the same. The house I lived 37 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: in as a kid looked exactly the same. Was the 38 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: same color, garage looked the same. Nothing to change. Really, 39 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: town was the same size, roughly two thousand people. 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: Well that's funny because the whole you can't go home 41 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: refers to the fact that home isn't there anymore. The 42 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: people have changed, the place has changed, the memories you have, 43 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: this is just not there. Anymore. But your case, it 44 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: was it. 45 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: Was like exactly the same. 46 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would almost be disconcerting in a way. 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 1: It was a little bit cool. Yeah, But so my 48 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: main takeaway was because it's a weird thing. Probably lots 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: of people have done this. It's a weird thing, and 50 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: it's like bittersweet in a weird sort of way. Because 51 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: what's the bitter part that you wish? What do you 52 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: wish you were a kid again? Or I don't. I 53 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: don't actually ever wished I was a kid again. 54 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: I don't, Thank god, I don't know. Care free times 55 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: and yeah, exactly the joys of riding your bike and 56 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: playing and not having to worry about adult stuff. 57 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I found it just mostly sweet sweet, except 58 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: for the fact that there are certain concrete things that 59 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: were significantly docum easily documented better then than they are now. 60 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: It's not just the rosy glow of history and you 61 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: only remember the good things and not the bad things 62 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: of that sort of stuff. I was looking at my 63 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: grade school. The same playground structure is there is when 64 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: I was a kid, and I took pictures the same 65 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: monkey bars, really tall, high dangerous monkey bars over really 66 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: hard dirt were still there. So is the giant tall 67 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: metal slide over hard dirt still there? I think, yeah, 68 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: we call them climbing bars. Now monkey bars reinforce as 69 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: unfortunate stereotypes about monkeys. They don't have the They didn't 70 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: tear that down and put up these spongy soft low slide, 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: no monkey bars. Like my park in Davis, California, they've 72 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: got a little what do you call the merry ground? 73 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: Is that what you call the things that you see 74 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: on and you spend except it's got some sort of 75 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: like governor on it. It's got something that causes friction. 76 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: You can barely move it as an adult, and you 77 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: can get it going a little bit and then it 78 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: stops right away, so that doesn't spin too fast. 79 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: Oh that is fun. 80 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? I mean, And we now know because 81 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Europe has done studies that the scary playerground equipment actually 82 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 1: helps kids with their anxiety and learning to deal with fear. 83 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: It's better for them in every way emotionally to climb 84 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: up on a monkey bars, or go down a fast slide, 85 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: or spin fast on the merry go round, then to. 86 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: Not And I remember that landmark German study was the 87 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: German insurance industry said that that the lack of that 88 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: sort of thing suppresses kids' ability to develop a sense 89 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: of risk assessment. They have no sense of what they 90 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: can and can't do, what would be safe, what would 91 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: be dangerous, and so they kind of careem through adulthood 92 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: having not worked through this stuff. 93 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 1: Right, So it it hurts my heart that my kids 94 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: have never been up on really high rickety slide and 95 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: had that feeling, or you know. 96 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: A really hot day where it just burns you all 97 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: the way down. 98 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, hotske Bell's character you got to take 99 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: in Mcuba City, Wisconsin, say climb up that slide, then 100 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: slide down. If you fall off and land on your head, 101 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: the hard heart DIBt, you'll have learned something. 102 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: They'll go go, well, yeah, of course, there's all the 103 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: gravestones around there from all my classmates that died by 104 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: being on the Merry go Round going too fast or whatever. 105 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: I'm sure you had to step over their bones on 106 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 2: the way to the softball field. 107 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if my kids have ever been on 108 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: a Merry go Round where you're spinning it super fast 109 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: and you're going really really fast and you're hanging on 110 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: and you're about to fly off. I don't think they've 111 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: ever had that experience. 112 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: We used to jump off of it, Oh yeah, of course, 113 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: oh and go tumbling totally out of control across the 114 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: dirt or grass or whatever's around. We all did. 115 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: But the other part that bothered me even more was 116 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: there's a steep hill there that's still there, right next 117 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: to the playground and in the winter time because it's Wisconsin. Okay, 118 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: now this part is not better. This part. I sent 119 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: Joe a picture. There's like a on what you'd call 120 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: it an entryway or whatever to the school where it's 121 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: a recessed entryway about. And you won't believe this, Katie, 122 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: because you're a native California where it doesn't get cold, 123 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: but it's like twenty feet deep or whatever, and you 124 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: could there's a name for that corridor something like that. 125 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: The doors cove the doors to the school and then 126 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: there's like a cement thing you walk into entryway or 127 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: something like that. Anyway, on super cold days, as a 128 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: kid in Wisconsin, they would let us have for recess, 129 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: didn't matter what the weather was. I mean, my kids, 130 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: if if it's misty outside, they cancel recess. Yes, somebody 131 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: could get hurt and you will run on the slippery glass. 132 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: It could be and I'm not exaggerating a bit. This 133 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: is not a I walk two miles to school, up 134 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: and down the hills both ways. Whatever. It would be 135 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: thirty below zero outside with the life threatening cult. Yeah, 136 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: and it was just too cold to go out on 137 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: the playground. So we would huddle in the corridor, all 138 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: up against each other like those Penguin movies for body 139 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: warmp for the forty five minute recess and told me 140 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: out there, babies, until they open the door and let 141 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: us back in. 142 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: We have h we have firmed up. Indeed, it is 143 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: an alcove. You were You were hiding for your life 144 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: in an outdoor alcove. 145 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: Twenty says, time you'd go out, huddle limico against each other, 146 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: help us. 147 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: Hanson said he did the same thing in elementary school. 148 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, in South Dakota, and you'd huddle against each other. 149 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: And I just like count the minutes until recess was over, 150 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: because it was as. 151 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: An eight year old, you're saying to your friends, those 152 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: who don't survive, I'll see you on the other sides, right, tell. 153 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: My story, you would say, before you went into fifth 154 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: grade math. Tell my mother, I love to. 155 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: Gosh, yeah, you're right, because I remember recess. If it 156 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: was raining hard enough, it was movie day or something. 157 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: They would keep us in. 158 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what the theory was on that. That 159 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be, that doesn't need to hang around. 160 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: I mean there's probably some benefits and toughening you up 161 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: or whatever, but that was a little extreme. But the 162 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: hill next to the playground really steep hill, and in 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: the wintertime it would be snow and it would turn 164 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: to ice and we would slide down that thing. And 165 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: everybody would bring their sleds on the bus, So you'd 166 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: get on the bus with your saucer or your sled 167 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: or whatever, and we'd stack them in the corner. And 168 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: at recess it was grab your sled, run outside and 169 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: just fly down this hill and your saucer spinning around, 170 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: or wreck your sled and go tumbling to the bottom. Whatever. 171 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: And the fact that that can't happen at all, not 172 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: even close anymore, is a bad thing objectively. That's not 173 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: just the rosy looking at the past. That was a 174 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: better it was more fun, it was better for you emotionally, 175 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: and my kids just can't even believe that I got 176 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: to do that at school. 177 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 2: And it was so great, especially for the boys who 178 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: could run off all their exssig so they could sit 179 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: still unlearn. It's utterly necessary and it has been part 180 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: of rules forever practically. 181 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, my memory is it was almost entirely boys. Not 182 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: all boys, but it was mostly boys. But yeah, it 183 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: was so much freaking fun. 184 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 3: I'd be interested to know what the policy is at 185 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: your school now. 186 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: I wonder, because they have the same playground. I wonder 187 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: if they let them sled down that hill bring their 188 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: own sledge. You know, you could never bring your own 189 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: sled to school, even if it was a perfectly safe 190 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: hill with like spotters and foam at the bottom. Well 191 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: the sled you brought a sled, somebody got hurt and 192 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: we didn't have a chance to check and see if 193 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: it was defective. 194 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: And there's just not a chart or not all kids 195 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: have sleds. So there's the equity issue. 196 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: That's why my son can't bring a football to school 197 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: to play catch with because there aren't enough for everybody 198 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: to play catch. He can't bring one because some kids 199 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't have one, and that wouldn't that's the most idiotic 200 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: catching thing I've ever heard. It makes me militant. It 201 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: makes me want to hurt people with my fists. I know. 202 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: So that is the That is the taste that was 203 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: left in my mouth. Was not just the like I said, 204 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: rosy goal of the past where you emphasize the good. 205 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: It was objectively better then modern society and the points 206 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: I just laid out, I mean not even close. And 207 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way to get back to it. 208 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: I just think it's possible. 209 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: Hmmm. 210 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: It believes me. It hurts my heart. 211 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's bad. 212 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: It's bad for the country in every kind of way, 213 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: not just fun for kids. But it's just that, and 214 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: all the tentacles of that attitude are so bad for 215 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: freaking everything. 216 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree we're a nation of eel calves, 217 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 2: an Armstrong and getty saying that probably goes back twenty 218 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: years and we have not been proven anywhere close to wrong. No. 219 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: I got in conversation with a number of people from 220 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: different places in Wisconsin about how my kids love it 221 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: when we go out of state because then they can 222 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: go to a swimming pool where you're allowed to do 223 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: a cannonball into the water because they don't let them 224 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: do that in my town. There's rules against the cannonball. 225 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: Again. You see all the dead bodies floating there in 226 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 2: municipal pools all over the country from kids who died 227 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: of doing a cannon ball. 228 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: There was this great swim hole in my hometown where 229 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: I grew up, and we used to have this platform 230 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: you could swim out to and it had this diving 231 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 3: board on it that had it was spring loaded. It 232 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: was so fun and I'll never forget the summer they 233 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 3: took it out because they said, no, no, it's not 234 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: You had to take a swimming test and everything to 235 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: get out there. So I mean they you know, yet 236 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: to make sure you could swim. But they they got 237 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: rid of that thing because it was just too dangerous. 238 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: Right, Nobody died, and I don't think hardly anybody likes this. 239 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: That's the problem that I've always had with it as 240 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: a free society democracy. I gotta believe eighty percent. There 241 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: are people, I know people. 242 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I gotta disagree, but go on, 243 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: what do you what do you. 244 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: Think the percentages are that that that are okay with? 245 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: I W Well, I could use the ridiculous example of 246 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: doing cannonballs in the pool. 247 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: I gotta bright to start there. Well, it depends entire land, 248 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: where you are, where you live, I'll bet, especially among women, 249 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: it is six it's two thirds. I think that's a 250 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: good idea. 251 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I would guess. I know. I this 252 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: woman who I really really like. I mean, she's just fantastic. 253 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: But she told me about when the skateboard skateboard park 254 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: opened up years ago. She and the other moms would 255 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: go there and sit there and make sure all the 256 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: kids had their helmets on before they would let them 257 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,599 Speaker 1: use it. And then you know, she wasn't able to 258 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: keep doing that when her kids got older. I was like, really, 259 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: you would go there and enforce these rules on other 260 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: people's kids whether or not they wanted to wear a 261 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: helmet skateboarding? 262 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, safety last figure it out for yourself. Kids. 263 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: You'll be fine. 264 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. But so you think there are a number of 265 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: people that want the diving board gone, Oh yeah, but 266 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: it can't be the majority. 267 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: There's no way it's the majority. Is it depends where 268 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: we are? 269 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: Wow, that's troubling. 270 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: You know. 271 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: During COVID is when I learned how many people want 272 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: to be led, and I was shocked by that. They 273 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 3: really looked at the government and they want you. 274 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: You know, that's a good, good point there, Michael, Right, 275 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: look at COVID, Look at the experience. There the number 276 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: who are utterly willing to shut off their own agency 277 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: and just do whatever their overlord's told them. 278 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: I tell this story about the time I was painting 279 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: the whitewash fence and I started trading apples for people 280 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: and I got other people to paint them. Did that 281 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: happen to me or tell me more? 282 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 2: It's a hazy memory, charming. Well, I guess that's it.