1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: Explosive documents set to crack the Epstein sex probe, wide 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: open clients list revealed. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: being with us. 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 3: New Epstein files are teased to be released, as Attorney 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 3: General Pam Bundy promises many more files to come. 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: At this hour, we are learning that Presidential Counselor Alena 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: Haba says that prosecutions will absolutely go forward based on 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: what is discovered in the Epstein files. 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: But who, what, where, when? Why? Listen to Haba? 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 4: Do you think by releasing information from these files we 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 4: are likely to see criminal actions being taken? 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: There is Haba speaking to our friend Piers Morgan on 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: Peers Morgan uncensored and she's joined with the US Attorney 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: General Pam BONDI. 18 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 5: The source had told me where the documents were being kept, 19 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 5: Southern District of New York. 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: Shock. 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 5: So we got them all by, hopefully all of them 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 5: Friday at eight am, thousands of pages of documents. 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: That from our friends at Fox News. 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: That is the US Attorney General, the top cop for 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: our entire country. Now they are saying that documents have 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: been stored. I don't know what that means in the 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: Southern District of New York. Now, she said, shocker. I'm 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: not sure what she means by that. I can only suppose, 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: so I'll move forward. Stored. Why are they being stored? 30 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: I don't understand that because let me go straight out 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: to Angrea Lewis joining me now partner at Sercy Law 32 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: form in Palm Beach, Florida. But for my purposes former 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: felony prosecutor in Palm Beach County. 34 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: When Epstein's sweetheart. 35 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: Deal, it makes me sit gag when I think about 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: that deal. I should probably hold you personally responsible, but 37 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: since you weren't there at a time at the time, 38 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: I guess I can't. But why would these documents be stored? 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they be evaluated, analyzed to determine if there 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: are other code defendits other than Epstein and his pamp 41 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell. 42 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: Well, Nancy, you just hit the nail on the head. 43 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 6: And to be clear, I was not at the office 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 6: when this case was prosecuted, thankfully, because I do believe 45 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 6: that this was a serious miscarriage of justice. He should 46 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 6: have never gotten the sentence that he got. 47 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: It was ludicrous. 48 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 6: That said, to your question about this evidence being stored, well, naturally, 49 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 6: anytime there's a case like this, you would expect that 50 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 6: the evidence is being held somewhere, but it's also generally 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 6: available on electronic format. We can see that in the 52 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 6: evidence log that we've received. All that they have given 53 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 6: us so far is this evidence log detailing that there 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 6: are in fact, photos, videos, witness statements, a laundry list 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 6: of other evidence out there that has never been disclosed 56 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 6: to this day. 57 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: Let's just cut through it. 58 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: Who do you think that Epstein and Juliane Maxwell, his 59 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: hinch person are hanging out with nuns and priests and virgins. 60 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: They're rich, they're child molesters, they're trafficking young girls. 61 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: So who do rich people hang out with? Andrea? Other 62 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: rich people? Who do you think, I mean. 63 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: Deduction, who is going to be in the Epstein files? 64 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: Other rich and influential people just like him. That's why 65 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: they're sitting on it. That's why, well. 66 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 6: That's exactly why someone needs to go through them, and 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 6: they need to stop talking about it, and they need 68 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 6: to stop saying they're going to be prosecuting people and 69 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 6: then actually do it. 70 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: Guys, you just heard Alena Hubba speaking to our friend 71 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: Piers Morgan, and you heard the AGAPM BONDI saying we're 72 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: on it, We're on it. The files have been stored 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: in the Southern District of New York. What else does 74 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: she have to say? 75 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 5: Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report 76 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 5: as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents. 77 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: That from our friends at Fox News. 78 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: So they're going through it all right now, let me 79 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: understand any summer joining me crime online dot com. 80 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: Epstein died years. 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: Ago at NBC Metropolitan Detention Center. How long have they 82 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: had since Epstein died to go through these files? 83 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 7: Nancy? 84 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 8: Now we're going on six years that they've had the 85 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 8: opportunity to go through these files release them to the 86 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 8: American public, acute people who were involved in this horrific 87 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 8: sex trafficking ring. 88 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: So years have passed, you know, I'm gonna circle back 89 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 2: in just a moment to doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate 90 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: warden at MDC. A lot a lot of murky water 91 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: surrounding the death of Epstein. 92 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: Just think about it, think about it. 93 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: And I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all, all right, 94 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: I don't think people can keep there yet shut long 95 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: enough to maintain a conspiracy like OJA was framed and 96 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: didn't happen. However, in this case, what could be the 97 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: delay in making these files public? What could possibly be 98 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 2: the delay and us finding out who were the cohorts 99 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: and possible codefendants of Jeffrey Epstein? And is very wide 100 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: ranging child sex trafficking ring, Well we know a little 101 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 2: bit more. 102 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 9: Listen, After just two weeks in office, Attorney General Pam 103 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 9: Bondi announces the release of documents related to the late 104 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 9: financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Bondi says that 105 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 9: the delay in releasing the documents is due to efforts 106 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 9: to redact sensitive information to protect the over two hundred 107 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 9: victims privacy. The so called Phase one release is expected 108 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 9: to include flight logs and names of individuals associated with Epstein. 109 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: Okay, Joining me is doctor Kimberly Melman, Erosco executive director 110 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: of Freedom Light, human trafficking expert witness, author of Hidden 111 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: and Plane Sight America, Slaves of the New Millennium. You 112 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: have uncovered so much regarding sex trafficking and child sex trafficking. 113 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: I got a pretty good feeling at this point. Epstein's 114 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: been dead for years, many say, murdered in MDC because 115 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: they they the elusive. They did not want their names 116 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: dragged through the mud. So I've got a pretty good 117 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: feeling doctor that at this point the victims really don't 118 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: care if their names are out there as long as 119 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: they can get justice. Who do you think is being 120 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: protected by not releasing these documents the victims, because I'm 121 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: not buying that. 122 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, First, I do disagree with you. I do 123 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 10: think that the victims still do want some anonymity, They 124 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 10: do want their names protected, at least some of them. 125 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 10: The issue here is, and this is something that is 126 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 10: very very key, some of these victims recruited others. Admittedly 127 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 10: this is in the media. They recruited others for payment. 128 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 10: Some of them were able to rebuff his sexual advances 129 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 10: and instead recruited their friends. So where do you draw 130 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 10: the line between victim and co conspirator? And that's an 131 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 10: issue that they're going to have, and they're going to 132 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 10: face the issue that. 133 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: I pretty good idea where to draw the line, doctor, 134 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: Doctor Kimberly melim or Osco. And that would be anyone 135 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: that was ever forced into sex or lured into with 136 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, I would consider a victim. Doctor Bethany Marshall 137 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: with me, psychoanalyst. You have analyzed the victims of child 138 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: sex trafficking many many times, and these are children as 139 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: young as fourteen, and I believe younger. If Epstein or 140 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: Julanne Maxwell got one of these little girls to go 141 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: speak to her little girl friends, I still consider the 142 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: original girl to be a victim. 143 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 11: I do too, because Jeffrey Epstein groomed them, and when 144 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 11: a victim is groomed, they lose perspective. And also the 145 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 11: grooming takes place in the context of an interpersonal relationship 146 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 11: where they maybe felt that Epstein was going to be 147 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 11: mad at them, disappointed in them, maybe withdraw financial reward, 148 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 11: punish them in some way. So that strong, strong attachment 149 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 11: system and confusion over whether they're to blame or he's 150 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 11: to blame is going to drive them towards behaviors that 151 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 11: they would not normally engage in. 152 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I feel sick right now. 153 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 2: I think I just saw a picture of Epstein and 154 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: Juline Maxwell. 155 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: Did he actually have on one of those. 156 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: Big bear hats that the guards at Buckingham Palace have 157 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: Oh no, that's just Julaine. 158 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: Oh oh, oh, my goodness. 159 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: When I think about these two rolling in money, multi millionaires, 160 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: homes all over the world, mansions all over the world, 161 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 2: and who do they pick out, doctor Kimberly melman Erosco. 162 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: They pick out runaways. They pick out children, girls from 163 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: single parent homes where the mom's working. Like I would 164 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: come home from school and nobody be there. Both my 165 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: parents were working. But these girls only had one parent 166 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: at home, coming from a broken family, feeling bad about themselves, 167 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: blaming themselves, possibly for the breakup or I don't. They 168 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: targeted girls with problems and those were their victims. These 169 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: two multi millionaires that were born with silver spoons up 170 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: their wear ends target these little girls. 171 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: There they are on their private playing you know what? 172 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: Bite me? 173 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: Why do they target little girls like this, doctor Nancy. 174 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 10: This is a common tactics that is used by anyone 175 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 10: looking to victimize another. They look for a child or 176 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 10: a person who has avoided in their life. If they 177 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 10: look at Maslow's higher give needs. What do they need? 178 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 10: Are they housing insecure? Food insecure? Do they have low 179 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 10: self esteem? Do they have the desire for self actualization. 180 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 10: They're making false promises. The reality is, though he also 181 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 10: bribed them with money, and it wasn't just little girls 182 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 10: and children, it was adults who were recruiting others. And 183 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 10: those adults also self proclaimed to be victims. So that's 184 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 10: the issue here when we're looking through these records. Yes, 185 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 10: I agree with you one hundred percent. Any child who 186 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 10: is manipulated by a grown adult is a victim either 187 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 10: of statutory rape or sexual assault, absolutely bar none. But 188 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 10: the problem here is what happens when adults are being 189 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 10: victimized but also recruiting others. And so this is a 190 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 10: more complex case than I think the public has led 191 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 10: to believe. And the other issue is there are documents 192 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 10: redacted that we should be able to see. For example, 193 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 10: the records related to Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide attempts. Supposedly 194 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 10: it's being redacted for B seven A. That redaction is 195 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 10: because of an ongoing investigation, and this is suggestive, suggestive 196 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 10: that it was a possible assault and he was reporting that. 197 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 10: And also there are other things that are very suspicious. 198 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 10: His roommate, his cellmate, is no longer alive. These are 199 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 10: issues that do need to be further explored, and we 200 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 10: need people like you to dig into and hold these 201 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 10: these governmental employees accountable for releasing this information. 202 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 203 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: Speaking of Epstein's death, renowned experts have stated, it's not 204 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: a suicide. You know, I'm just a trial lawyer, but 205 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: I do respect medical examiners. And we're shortly going to 206 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: be joined by doctor Kendall Crowns. But before I dig 207 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 2: up Epstein's dead body, let's just go back in time 208 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: and our time machine. Remember when Attorney General William Barr 209 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: insisted there will be justice. 210 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 12: Listen, this case will continue on against anyone who was 211 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 12: complicit with Epstein. Any co conspirators should not rest easy. 212 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: Well they're sleeping light logs right now. That's where our 213 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: friends at CBS. That was a turning then Attorney General 214 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: William Barr insisting there's going to be justice all of 215 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: you co defendants. 216 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: You better not sleep easy tonight. Well they are. 217 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: Because years have passed and the FEDS have done nothing. 218 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: Why Because Epstein's rich. All of his friends were rich 219 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: and influential. He was flying around presidents, megalomaniacs, huge, huge 220 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: business tycoons. Names we all know very well, we're in 221 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: his quote little black book. It's disgusting, and here is 222 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: former US attorney jumping on the bandwagon, Attorney alex Acosta. 223 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 12: We did what we did because we wanted to see 224 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 12: Epstein go to jail, so he needed to go to jail. 225 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 13: Alexander Acosta became US Attorney for the Southern District of 226 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 13: Florida in two thousand and five. That's the same year 227 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 13: that Palm Beach police began a thirteen month undercover investigation 228 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 13: of Jeffrey Epstein after allegations of sex trafficking miners. Epstein 229 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 13: was indicted, but a constant arranged a plea deal without 230 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 13: informing the victims, that allowed Epstein to plead guilty to 231 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 13: a single state charge of solicitation and procuring a miner 232 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 13: for prostitution. 233 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: The FBI delivers truckloads of files to be declassified in 234 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: the Jeffrey Epstein case. 235 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: According to the top cop of this country, Pamela Bondi, 236 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: that's happening right now. I will believe it when I 237 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: see it, because this dates back all the way to 238 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: a secret deal by the prosecutor nown im Palm Beach 239 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: where Epstein got basically camp he could leave whenever he 240 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: wanted to, with a valet, a driver, and nobody. 241 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: Said a word. After one mom comes forward and says. 242 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: He raped my little girl, and we still don't have justice. 243 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: Has everybody forgotten what happened? 244 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: Because I haven't, you know what, Let me jog the 245 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: federal government's memory. 246 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: Listen. 247 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 14: Sometimes he would just get in front of them and 248 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 14: rub his nipples. Sometimes he would have intercourse with them. 249 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 14: Sometimes he'd make them, you know, give him. It kind 250 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 14: of worked like a pyramid scheme. Geland brought me in, 251 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 14: I brought other girls in. Those girls brought other girls in. 252 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: That's round friends at Miami Harold, and you were seeing 253 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: Virginia Roberts Jeffrey speaking about what happened to her when 254 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: she was a little girl, a little girl about age fourteen. Yeah, 255 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: rubbing his nipples in front of a little girl, and 256 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: we find out just who the victim is. 257 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: I had been a runaway and I had been abused before. 258 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: So to have this, you know, ability to get educated 259 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: and do something with my life. I thought I was turning. 260 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: Around that from our friends at Miammi Harold, but that 261 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: turning point turned into this. She is instructed to just 262 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: robe as Maxwell and Epstein are both naked. She describes 263 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: Maxwell and Epstein touching her and that she went along 264 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: with it. Virginia says, I let them abuse me, and 265 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: I did what they told me to do. Doctor Bethey Marshall, 266 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: she's an adult now, but it still sounds to me 267 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: like she's blaming herself. 268 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: I let them abuse me. That's not the dynamic. 269 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 11: No, no, no, no, it was a power differential. It 270 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 11: was two on one. She was just a little girl. 271 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 11: You know, children notoriously they don't know when they're abused 272 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 11: if the act is coming from themselves or from the 273 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 11: other person. So this confusion is persisting into adult life. 274 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 11: But Nancy and may persist for the rest of her life. 275 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 11: Victims don't just recover miraculously. They blame themselves throughout the 276 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 11: life span. They are subject to disturbed relationship patterns, sometimes 277 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 11: drug abuse, PTSD flashbacks. So you know the fact that 278 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 11: she's coming forward amidst all these symptoms that are persisting 279 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 11: for her is pretty remarkable. 280 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: You know, doctor Bethany, when you mentioned flashbacks, a lot 281 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: of people don't believe in suppressed memories. They're real. And 282 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. One of my best friends 283 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: within the District Attorney's office. Just a brilliant, brilliant legal mind. 284 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: I had known her for three or four years. She 285 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: started having flashbacks of being molested by family member. 286 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: It destroyed her marriage. She ended up getting a divorce 287 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: the child they had a child that was in shuttle 288 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: back and forth between the parents, and her life was 289 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: turned upside down when she remembered the molestation. 290 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: And even now you hear Jeffraid talking about I let 291 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: them molest me, as if somehow it was her fault. Okay, 292 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: we got a secret deal with a cost to down 293 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: a palm beach. Then you've got Bar saying we will 294 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 2: say justice. Well that never happened. Now you've got Bondie 295 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 2: saying we're releasing the files. Well, when when will there 296 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: be justice? You know, I'm just very curious to doctor 297 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: Kimberly Melman Erosco executive director of Freedom Light, human trafficking 298 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: expert witness, author of Hidden and Plane Sight, America Slaves 299 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: of the New Millennium. Do you recall the case that 300 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 2: you analyzed of Spider aka doctor James Joseph. 301 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 10: So James Joseph was on America's Most Wanted investigation Discovery brutally, 302 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 10: brutally trafficked multiple women. He also got a sweetheart deal 303 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 10: the first time he was prosecuted. I think he got 304 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 10: eighteen months despite violently violently trafficking women. It wasn't until 305 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 10: years later, as he continued to commit his crimes where 306 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 10: he was prosecuted in California. I served as an expert 307 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 10: witness both to the grand journey for his indictment and 308 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 10: at trial where he was sentenced to life in prison. 309 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 10: So when they talk about this sweet sweetheart deal for Epstein, 310 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 10: it wasn't really out of the norm for that time. Unfortunately, unfortunately, 311 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 10: there are numerous alleged traffickers and persons committing crimes against 312 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 10: children who are getting away with slap on the hand 313 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 10: sentences because it's being perceived as difficult to prosecute. And 314 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 10: one key point here, Nancy, is that Epstein was a 315 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 10: typical of a trafficker. He was paying his victims, typically 316 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 10: in trafficking situations. You have talked about in your show 317 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 10: numerous times following the money, and I agree with that wholeheartedly, 318 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 10: especially in trafficking situations. Most of the time, for trafficking, 319 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 10: the money is flowing from the victim to the trafficker. 320 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 10: It was the complete opposite in this situation, and therefore 321 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 10: it might have been perceived as difficult to prosecute. The 322 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 10: thing that is really important here, though, was the concealing 323 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 10: this from the alleged victims, concealing this from the girls 324 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 10: that he did abuse, and waiting until afterwards. I think 325 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 10: that is the key problem here. 326 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: Unless Bondi comes through on this, this will be another 327 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: case of the rich and powerful prevailing on those weaker, 328 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: less cunning than they are, specifically these girls that were 329 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: raped and sex trafficked by Epstein and as wealthy and 330 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: influential friends. When will the documents be released? Do you 331 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 2: really think they're sitting on them to protect the victims, 332 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: because I don't. 333 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: This goes so far back. 334 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: In fact, I remember when renowned attorney David Boyce, who 335 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: is Virginia Geffray's lawyer, spoke out, it. 336 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 9: Doesn't matter how many. 337 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 15: Contacts you have, doesn't matter who your family is, doesn't 338 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 15: matter how much wealth do you have. 339 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: You're not aboff the law. 340 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: That's where our friends at ITV News. That was David 341 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: Boyce when you represented Virginia Jirfrey. He says, it doesn't 342 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: matter how rich you are, how powerful you are, But 343 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: apparently it may. 344 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 3: Despite a long awaited document release, many files remain secret 345 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Epstein's contentious sex trafficking scandal. Why why why 346 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 3: are the files secret? Trump promised the files would be released, 347 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 3: but they haven't been. 348 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: Why why Bondie now listen to Presidential Counselor Elena Habbah 349 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 2: with our friend Piers Morgan. 350 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 16: I don't see how it's not shocking that there were 351 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 16: so many individuals that were hidden and kept secret and 352 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 16: not been held accountable. 353 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: I don't like it, but I'm not shocked because this 354 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: is going on since the get go with Epstein. That's 355 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: from our friend Piers Morgan Uncensored and more from Habah. 356 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 16: You have to hold individuals who are indeed rapists accountable. 357 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: We have to have them tried. 358 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: In my opinion, yes, okay, of course they have to 359 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: be tried, but the files have to be released first 360 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: so we can determine who, if anyone, is going to 361 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: be tried. And we're not getting out of Epstein because 362 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: he either committed suicide or was killed at MDC. That 363 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: from our friend at Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan Uncensored and 364 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: Bondie the new US Attorney General speaks out, You're looking. 365 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 5: At these documents, going, these aren't all the Epstein files. 366 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: You know, they were flight logs. 367 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 5: There were names and victims' names, and we're going, where's 368 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 5: the rest of the stuff. 369 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: Bondi with our friends over at Fox News speaking out, Yeah, 370 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: where is the rest of the stuff? Well, apparently sitting 371 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: in boxes at the Southern District of New York's US 372 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: Attorney's office. 373 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: That's a mystery right there. 374 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: But it goes on and on and on, seemingly a 375 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: never ending quest to keep these names sacred. Sidney sunrajoining 376 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 2: me crime online dot com, Sydney. 377 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: What are the files? 378 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: What do we think is in the files that have 379 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: been so carefully hidden from us, Nancy. 380 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 17: We've seen flight logs, a contact list, a new evidence list, 381 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 17: and what prosecutors are calling a masseuse list that contained 382 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 17: two hundred and fifty four named victims. But what we 383 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 17: expect to see is a client list. That's what everybody 384 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 17: wants to know. We have his contacts, but this is 385 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 17: just somebody's phone contacts. It doesn't necessarily incriminate any of 386 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 17: the people that are named in that contact list. What 387 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 17: we do want is the client list people who actively 388 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 17: participated in this sex trafficking ring, knowing that the women 389 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 17: there providing massages were underage. 390 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: It is known that on Epstein's private plane, he would 391 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: ferry under age girls, along with high profile US citizens 392 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: and others, to his private island for what to play 393 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: a game with checkers. 394 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: No, that's not why. Speaking of this so called client 395 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: list listen well. 396 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 15: Many were expecting Epstein's client list, hoping it would contain 397 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 15: bombshell implications. The majority of the roughly two hundred page 398 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 15: document dump is made up of previously disseminated information, like 399 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 15: Epstein's contact lists. 400 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 7: Among famous names in Epstein's contact lists are rockers McJagger 401 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 7: and Courtney Love, Michael Jackson, actors Alec Baldwin, Dustin Hoffman, 402 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 7: and Ralph Fiennis, and supermodels Naomi Campbell and Liz Hurley. 403 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 7: Others include Harvey Weinstein's brother Bob Weinstein, David Coach, Alan Dershowitz, 404 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 7: and both Evanna and Ivanka Trump. Several political figures are 405 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 7: also named, former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, John Kerry, 406 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 7: John Huntsman, Senator Ted Ke, his sister in law Ethel Kennedy, 407 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 7: and her daughter Krrie Kennedy. 408 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: Okay, I doubt Ethel Kennedy or Carrie Kennedy were involved 409 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: in child sex trafficking. I doubt that Alan Dershowitz, my colleague, 410 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: is involved in sex trafficking. Maybe none of these people, 411 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: But isn't it true, Doctor Bethany Marshall, People like Epstein 412 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: insinuated himself into circles of power and privilege. That does 413 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: not mean everybody on his client list has done anything wrong. 414 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: I mean, do you. 415 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: Really think Carrie Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy had anything to 416 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: do with this? 417 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: Hell? No, but no. 418 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: In all of these documents, you know, there's probative evidence. 419 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised that these rich and powerful people 420 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: are in his list, which you know, Nancy. 421 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 11: From another perspective, we know that pedophiles congregate together, they 422 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 11: congregate online, they just emanate photos, they exchange information. So 423 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 11: I don't understand why law enforcement would go online to 424 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 11: track pedophiles through their contact lists. But Jeffrey Epstein's contact 425 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 11: list is exempt from the public. That doesn't make sense. 426 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 11: I agree with you that Ethel Kennedy and some of 427 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 11: these people obviously did not know what was going on. 428 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 11: But there are many wolves among the sheep, and if 429 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 11: you do not expose this contact list, then we don't 430 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 11: know who those people are. And I just want to say, 431 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 11: all those smiley photos of Epstein and Gilan Maxwell, they're 432 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 11: not smiling because they're a couple. They're smiling because they're 433 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 11: recruiting people with money and all the resources are flowing 434 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 11: up and they're in there with all these high net 435 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 11: worth individuals and that is making them so so so happy. 436 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: You know. To ANGIEA. 437 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: Lewis joining US partner Sarcey Law from in Palm Beach, 438 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: excellent trial lawyer, former felony security in Palm Beach. There 439 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: were grand jury tapes that have just recently been revealed, grand. 440 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: Jury tapes that. 441 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 2: The evidence was heard in front of the grand jury 442 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 2: that were recorded as is customary. Are you surprised, based 443 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 2: on what you've learned from those grand jury tapes that 444 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: these documents today, these years later, are being kept secret. 445 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 6: The victims who testified were asked a series of questions 446 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 6: about being essentially being prostitutes and really almost in an 447 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 6: accusatory manner, almost incriminating them in terms of some criminal activity. 448 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 6: And so what came of that, of course, and what 449 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 6: everyone has seen in these transcripts was that the prosecutors knew, 450 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 6: the police knew even back then what Epstein was up 451 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 6: to and how terrible what he was involved in. 452 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: Yet we know what ended up happening. 453 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 6: So no, I mean, at this point, obviously that should 454 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 6: be a clear indicator that further investigation is warranted and 455 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 6: that there are other people out there who need to 456 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 6: be imprisoned. 457 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: And of course what she just said, what Angela Lewis 458 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: just said, is critical because when you force a little 459 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: girl to be a prostitute, when Epstein Angeline Maxwell forced 460 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: them to be prostitutes, there had to be a john. 461 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: There had to be a john. Who are the Johns? 462 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: Why aren't the files being released? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 463 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: Here's a little bit of what we know that was 464 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: seized from Epstein's seventy seven million dollar Manhattan mansion. 465 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 13: Epstein's over the top seventy seven million dollar Manhattan mansion 466 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 13: has eighties nineteen thousand square feet, forty rooms and a 467 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 13: heated sidewalk. When the FBI raided the home, they found 468 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 13: a lead lined panic room beneath the stairs and a 469 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 13: life sized female doll hanging from a chandelier. Inside a 470 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 13: hidden safe, agent's found seventy thousand dollars in cash, forty 471 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 13: eight loose diamonds and other jewelry, a bit of hard drives, 472 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 13: and a passport from a foreign country with a picture 473 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 13: of Epstein under another name. There were binders upon binders 474 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 13: of CDs filled with looted photos of young girls. 475 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 3: The Department of Justice releases phase one of declassified Epstein 476 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 3: files as more documents are expected. 477 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: According to the top cop in this country, pam Bondi 478 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: and her counselor Alena Habbaugh, councilor to the President, their quote, 479 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: absolutely will be prosecutions question when all the documents haven't 480 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: been released, They've been in storage. 481 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: That's a nice way to put it. 482 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: In the Southern District of New York US Attorney's office, Now, 483 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: I want you to hear from the horse's mouth, the 484 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: US Attorney General, Pamela Bondi. 485 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 5: Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report 486 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 5: as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents. 487 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 2: Well, that's where our friend's over at Fox News, and 488 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: I can't wait. Do you think that detailed explanation about 489 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: why the documents were withheld will ever see the light 490 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: of day? You know what, I don't care why. I 491 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: just want to know that justice is being pursued. Let's 492 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: get back to the fact that we're missing one main witness, 493 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: and that would be Jeffrey Epstein. 494 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: Why why is he dead? 495 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: Doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden at M d C. 496 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: Author, who are you? See it? Say it? 497 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: Seize it now? President of a New Daylight Foundation. You know, 498 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: many experts, not just me, question whether it was a suicide? 499 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: Why did that happen? Doctor Hendrix? 500 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 18: Based on the factors of what we what we know, 501 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 18: it was a colossal failure unfortunately by the agency that 502 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 18: I've worked for for a number of years, with the staff, 503 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 18: you know, not tending to counting and being accountable for 504 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 18: mister uh. 505 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: Okay speak English, Speak English? 506 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: Who did what he? 507 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 18: Apparently he committed suicide And it was over three hours 508 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 18: before they actually went and checked the cell they're supposed 509 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 18: to do thirty minute round. 510 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: Apparently committed suicide. 511 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 2: You know, doctor Dwayne Hendrix, I really respect you, but 512 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: aren't you just a little embarrassed right now? Apparently he 513 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 2: committed suicide, Like we don't really know because the guards 514 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: that were supposed to watch him every thirty minutes we're 515 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: shopping online and asleep. 516 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 18: Yes, and they should have treated him like they eventually 517 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 18: treated Dulane Maxwell when she was at the NBC, not 518 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 18: mcc U. And they should have had staff sitting in 519 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 18: front of his sale, monitoring his all of his actions 520 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 18: and his behaviors. When I was a correction officer back 521 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 18: in the late nineties, you know, I had the I was. 522 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 18: I was with tech Zinski there at FDC Dublin, and 523 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 18: they put to they put cameras in his cell and 524 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 18: they probably should have did that with Epstein. The other 525 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 18: failure out in mind. 526 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: Now what again. 527 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: I deeply respect to you and what you're doing now, 528 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: but could it would have should have. 529 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: Ain't helping me tonight. 530 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out was he murdered or did 531 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: he commit suicide? Because a lot of renowned experts, not 532 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: lawyers like myself, but medical examiners, say he was he 533 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: did not commit suicide, which leads me to concerns about 534 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell, the only other potential witness in this case. 535 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 2: Oh here we have the Attorney General, William Barr weighing in. 536 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 12: I was appalled and Indeed, the whole department was and 537 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 12: frankly angry to learn of the MCC's failure to adequately 538 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 12: secure this prisoner. 539 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 2: Appalled, shocked, angry. That's where our friends at CBS. But 540 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: yet the main witness against potential co defendants in those 541 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: files is now dead. Darn what a coinky dink the 542 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: way that worked out? Joining me Doctor Kendall Crown's renowned 543 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: chief medical examiner Terran County. 544 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: That's fort Worth. 545 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: He is esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine 546 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 2: at TCU. Launching a new PODCASTDA Dead on Arrival March seven. 547 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall crowns, I know there is evidence supporting both 548 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: sides of this, but what tends to suggest this was 549 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: not a suicide? 550 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 4: So there's a couple of problems with it. The injuries 551 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 4: he has the next structures, the thyroid cartilage which is 552 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 4: right about here, and the hyoid bone, which is about here. 553 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 4: He has fractures, two fractures in the thyroid cartilage, one 554 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 4: in the highoid bone. And it's odd for him to 555 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 4: have so many fractures with just a simple hanging. Usually 556 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 4: with a simple hanging, the ligature kind of pulls up 557 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 4: on the neck compresses the structure and causes them to die, 558 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 4: especially with a large sheep type hanging. And what we're 559 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 4: seeing is with these fractures is he potentially has got 560 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 4: this ligature wrapped around his neck, pulling back and causing 561 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 4: these fractures, and if he moves, it can cause another fracture. 562 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 4: So it's odd that he has these two fractures. And 563 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 4: then you throw in the fact that he has contusions 564 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 4: on his wrists. Was he restrained? You have a couple 565 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 4: of a couple of findings that make it very strange 566 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 4: that it could be a suicide, but it also could 567 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 4: be a homicide, and it's it's just not very clear. 568 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: When you say there were factors that were strange, I 569 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: could not agree more. But what are to what are 570 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: you referring. 571 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 4: The contusions on the wrists. I don't feel that there 572 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 4: are the bruises on the wrists. I don't feel they're 573 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 4: being very clear about what those look like or how 574 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 4: they are. Because his hands could have been tied together 575 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 4: with another restraint or another piece of sheet. 576 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 2: Hey, doctor Kendel Crowns, we're looking at the scene right there, 577 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 2: and the only way he could have committed suicide is 578 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 2: to tie the binding that he created to the bunk 579 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: that he obviously didn't have any platform high enough for 580 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: a traditional hanging. He would have to have tied that 581 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: and then just leaned forward and let the pressure asphyxiate him. 582 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 4: How likely is that correct? I mean, that's a type 583 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 4: of the way it is. He can't suspend himself or 584 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 4: anything of that nature. He's going to have to lean 585 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 4: into it, and again that's going to be a slow 586 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 4: kind of pressure on his neck. So these fractures that 587 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 4: we have are very, very odd that he has so 588 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 4: many fractures. 589 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: From doctor Kendall Crowns. They don't fit, do they? With suicide? 590 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 4: It is odd? It doesn't really fit. So I'd have 591 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 4: to have more explanation, more information to even make a 592 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 4: decision on that. 593 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 2: I'm not a Republican and I'm not a Democrat, but 594 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 2: I beg you Trump, do not pardon Julane Maxwell. 595 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: Don't do it. Huge miscarriage of justice. 596 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 2: Joining me now, Special guest Bill Daily, former FBI investigator 597 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 2: security expert Bill Daily. You know the ins and outs 598 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 2: of the fares like the back of your hand. 599 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: What is happening? When can we get the names in 600 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: these documents. 601 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 19: Well, Nancy, certainly there's been a basically a truckload of 602 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 19: documents now brought down to the Attorney General's office and 603 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 19: they're going through them. There will be some time to 604 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 19: kind of pull this all together because they're going to 605 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 19: be various investigative elements. There's going to be interviews, there's 606 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 19: going to be injury statements, there's going to be other 607 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 19: information out there, whether it's hard drives, whether it's videos, whatever. 608 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 19: Documentation also was found, whether in one of the homes, 609 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 19: all the homes, So it's going to take a while 610 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 19: to pull it together. 611 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 7: You know. 612 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 19: One of the things that always has troubled me about 613 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 19: this case many things. Certainly it was the circumstances around 614 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 19: mister Epstein's death in the correctional facility in Lower Manhattan, 615 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 19: but it was also around other people who either material 616 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 19: witnesses or those people who ate it embedded. There are 617 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 19: many people who are involved in this case where it 618 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 19: happens to be people who attending at the Epstein homes, 619 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 19: whether it's pilots or crew on the aircraft who both 620 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 19: probably knew saw were aware of what was happening, saw 621 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 19: these young women being brought on saw some of the perpetrators, 622 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 19: some of the victimizers also being transported around those people 623 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 19: who am not too sure why we never heard either 624 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 19: statements about them or whether they themselves were complicit in 625 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 19: some ways if not given a pardon. 626 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 2: Bill Daly, former FBI investigator, forensic photography expert, security expert. 627 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 2: Do you ever just get sick to your stomach to 628 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 2: see how wealthy and powerful people are protected they never 629 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 2: face justice. 630 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 19: Yeah, Nancy, And I think the American people also feel 631 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 19: the same way. The new administration is run in transparency. 632 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 19: The new FBI director has come forth saying he would 633 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 19: be very transparent, so has the Attorney General. I believe them. 634 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 19: I want that to happen. I want the top of 635 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 19: the American people because so many of us have seen 636 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 19: some of these cases go and come, and we say, 637 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 19: why is it always just the kind of the regular 638 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 19: folks that you find yourselves being put in jail? And 639 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 19: it's the other people who've son is very obviously have 640 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 19: committed some of these these acts, are certainly never held 641 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 19: their feet to the fire from a prosecution standpoint. So 642 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 19: in this case, I really hope that this will result 643 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 19: in some of these victims, these people would victimize that 644 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 19: there we be some justice for them. At the same time, 645 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 19: I also am concerned about missus Maxwell and our safety 646 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 19: because as more of this comes about, as more information 647 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 19: comes to light, is that her life could be at risk, 648 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 19: whether in or outside the confines of a penitentiary. 649 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you brought that up Bill Day 650 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 2: to doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former Associate Warden MDC. Doctor Hendrix, 651 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 2: right now, Dlainne Maxwell is in the FCI formal Florida 652 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 2: Correctional Institute in Tallahassee. 653 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: And it is low security. 654 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 2: If someone can murder Epstein and high security, what about 655 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 2: low security, doctor Hendrix? 656 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 18: Well, one thing, anybody can be killed anywhere, whether it's 657 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 18: in the correctional facility, whether it's maximum or minimum or anywhere. 658 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 18: But I will say if there were any threats, So 659 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 18: if there were any credible threats to her life. You know, 660 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 18: the agency does have an excellent intel office. They do 661 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 18: a lot of work with other agencies to include the 662 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 18: FBI staff are members of the Joint Task. 663 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 2: For a minute, Wait a minute, he did he just 664 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 2: hear doctor Chamberly melmont or Osco state that Epstein was 665 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 2: in fear for his life. At the time he died, 666 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 2: So who is going Nobody protected him. Who is going 667 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 2: to protect Jawayne Maxwell. 668 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 18: It'll be the same people, a different staff, It'll be 669 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 18: the same agency of staff and other law enforcement personnelity 670 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 18: that if there's any credible threats, they will place her 671 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 18: in special housing and if they would need to move 672 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 18: her to a different facility, they would do so at 673 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 18: that time. But again, anyone could be touched at any time, unfortunately, 674 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 18: and if she feels she's in fear of her life, 675 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 18: she needs to at any time, she needs to report 676 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 18: that to staff, and she needs to check try to 677 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 18: get herself checked into special housing or remove from that facility. 678 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 18: So uh, and that's just how that works. 679 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 2: The last one heard of Jawayne Maxwell, she was finding 680 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 2: about her Thanksgiving dinner. What about it Sydney summer, Yeah, Nancy. 681 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 8: So Maxwell is apparently claiming that she has limited funds 682 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 8: and her commissary is empty, meaning she went hungry on 683 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 8: Thanksgiving Day. 684 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: I find that very hard to believe. 685 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 2: It may not be a private chef like she's used 686 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 2: to with Epstein, but I find it very difficult to 687 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 2: believe that the inmates wouldn't get fed at the FCI. 688 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 2: You know what, maybe she'd like a little bump up 689 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 2: to a better jail in exchange for her testimony. 690 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: Think about it. Maxwell. 691 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 2: We wait as God willing justice unfolds, and now we 692 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 2: remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jacob Pickett Boone County 693 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 2: Sheriff's Indiana thirty four, shot and killed in the line 694 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 2: of duty, survived by wife turned widow Jennifer. 695 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: Sons Lincoln and Wade. American hero Deputy Sheriff Jacob 696 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.