Speaker 1: On today's episode the Command Center Podcast, football is back, Baby.
Speaker 2: We're live a training camp.
Speaker 3: Look at the beautiful day out here.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: We got our first day report. We did well, a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot.
Speaker 1: Of things to talk about, techniques, defenses.
Speaker 4: And I'm bugging out by datam bugging out about Dat five.
Speaker 1: It's the young whipper snapper Light Tokong, talk about him
Speaker 1: in areas that he can improve. And then we rank
Speaker 1: our top tank quarterbacks and it's got Fred sweating. It
Speaker 1: all starts right now. Welcome to the Command Center Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with Fred Smooth Santanamos, and we
Speaker 1: are out at training camp.
Speaker 2: The elements in the elephants.
Speaker 1: We're fighting through it. Man, there's a little bugs out here,
Speaker 1: a little warm.
Speaker 2: No, actually, this is the coolest day we're gona get.
Speaker 2: It's true. It is true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So but you know, like I don't really
Speaker 1: I don't really care about it because we're at training camp.
Speaker 3: We're get to watch practice.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talking about that today, and you know how
Speaker 1: I didn't feel, Guys, just to be out here real quick,
Speaker 1: like first day kind of get the juices going a little.
Speaker 4: Bit, kind of you know what, I kind of had jeelters,
Speaker 4: like really had training camp.
Speaker 2: Like you know how you get anxious, like the two
Speaker 2: days before training camp? Do you get anxious still?
Speaker 4: I used to get anxious, and I think it wasn't
Speaker 4: about training camp. It was about the conditioning test. I
Speaker 4: just get anxious about the conditioning test because it was
Speaker 4: like a hump that you got to get over just
Speaker 4: you had a right to practice training camp.
Speaker 5: Do you feel that same way? I always had anxiety.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know the condition about the test. You
Speaker 5: might look at a guy like me and say, well, Tanner,
Speaker 5: you run for days, yes, but that test is like
Speaker 5: no other and no matter how much you train, no
Speaker 5: matter how hard you work, even on that little break
Speaker 5: we get before we came back, how many days I
Speaker 5: took out of having fun and just to make sure
Speaker 5: I'm ready for that test. I still was never ready
Speaker 5: until I got got it all you know, put you.
Speaker 2: Know, put behind me.
Speaker 5: But today I was excited that football has finally Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean it's back. I think I've been watching other
Speaker 5: teams go out here and watching you know TV and
Speaker 5: seeing some of these other teams practices, but to finally
Speaker 5: see our guys out here on the field.
Speaker 2: Give me that notion. That is time and anxius yet
Speaker 2: to see. Can they pick up where they lift out
Speaker 2: last year?
Speaker 4: Like we ended on such a high last year, so
Speaker 4: to me, the standards have went to a whole other
Speaker 4: level now, like they showed us the floor last year,
Speaker 4: now even trying to show us the ceiling.
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Speaker 1: So now let's get back to the thing we all
Speaker 1: want to talk about, which is the training camp stuff.
Speaker 1: And Ten already started kind of started us off, and
Speaker 1: like how he felt coming out here, Fred, you said
Speaker 1: you were a little bit nervous. Tanny you said you were, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you said before we kind of had to
Speaker 1: get side tracked with the housekeeping. You said you wanted
Speaker 1: to know what the new ceiling is. Yes, where do
Speaker 1: you think the new ceiling is for the team?
Speaker 4: Well, you're talking about a team that got four quarters
Speaker 4: away from the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Like the ceiling is the super Bowl. Like this is
Speaker 2: how they feel.
Speaker 4: They feel like we got a super Bowl a head coach,
Speaker 4: super Bowl ownership, super Bowl quarterback. They feel like we
Speaker 4: have a chance to be a legit threat. I think
Speaker 4: that's where the ceiling is right now. Like I think
Speaker 4: for anything besides getting to the back to the MC championship,
Speaker 4: and I know that's sitting the bar high, but I
Speaker 4: just think that's where this team met.
Speaker 2: Think about it.
Speaker 4: You went and refortified the offensive line, You went and
Speaker 4: refortified the defensive line. You got help on the outside
Speaker 4: with d bo seremonies. You win't got dB help with
Speaker 4: Trey Amis Will. Like you said, we're finna go for
Speaker 4: it now. And you know how it is when you
Speaker 4: get great quarterbacks on their rookie deal, that window is
Speaker 4: so big. And I think what they're doing right now
Speaker 4: is like the kids say they shooting, they shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel or I do.
Speaker 3: I think you're always a little bit more measured.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm you know, I'm never gonna be Fred. But
Speaker 5: I think he make a great point. I think they
Speaker 5: basically showed you this is this is what we expect
Speaker 5: of ourselves, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean. I mean when you go do what
Speaker 2: they did last year.
Speaker 5: Now we all know, you know, as as ball player especially,
Speaker 5: you know, being in those moments or them situations that
Speaker 5: we saw them in last year. It's never two years
Speaker 5: you can put together that's the same.
Speaker 2: It's never. It's never.
Speaker 5: It's never a year you can say, well, we're gonna
Speaker 5: look like this next year. People sitting here saying, well,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't think they're gonna be that good
Speaker 5: because six of those games they won was in the
Speaker 5: last second. And and then I sell those same folks, well,
Speaker 5: you're right, we're not gonna have to wait that long
Speaker 5: this time, and we'll go out there and maybe dominate
Speaker 5: the game a little differently. So I look at it
Speaker 5: like that, like this team has the potential to do
Speaker 5: whatever they want to do. I think when you saw
Speaker 5: what they did in this offseason, they were out there
Speaker 5: and got key players that we was weak at last year.
Speaker 5: And now not to say that that's gonna make a
Speaker 5: major or drastic change, but we're hoping to. So with
Speaker 5: that being said, this is where it all starts at.
Speaker 5: It's here in training camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm really glad you brought that up, Tanne,
Speaker 1: because one of the things you said that I think
Speaker 1: is so important for fans to understand is no team
Speaker 1: back to back is the same team. And so the
Speaker 1: thing that got me excited coming in today to work
Speaker 1: was to kind of see the first steps. Obviously you
Speaker 1: got OTAs you get mini camp, but to see the
Speaker 1: first step of that journey happen today and see them
Speaker 1: kind of attack the fundamentals. Right, we're not thinking Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: We're thinking about foundational stuff. Yeah, we're thinking about like
Speaker 1: you know, we got to watch for the field pass
Speaker 1: segment for Command Center, we got to watch Ryan Kerrigan
Speaker 1: go through his run block progression, like how you get
Speaker 1: hands out first and you work to shed, then you
Speaker 1: work to pull through. And I think, like, that's the
Speaker 1: thing that's going to make this team good is if
Speaker 1: you can lock it on the little details, and again
Speaker 1: it starts today, like that gives you an opportunity to
Speaker 1: kind of to make this iteration of the team the
Speaker 1: one that goes to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: But I like the fact that we can see he
Speaker 4: in hand his conversation if we would try to I
Speaker 4: had this conversation two years ago. Nobody takes a serious
Speaker 4: like having this conversation. Now it's a very serious conversation.
Speaker 4: So they just tell you right now we're headed in
Speaker 4: the right direction regardless of Super Bowl and not no doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the other thing that I think we're all
Speaker 1: excited about is on Paper ten and you talked about
Speaker 1: this too, they've made some really key additions, and I
Speaker 1: think we'll start on the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 1: And you know on Instagram, Twitter, the comments of these shows,
Speaker 1: like everyone's asking like, how do you stop the run?
Speaker 1: And I think you see an awareness by Adam Peters
Speaker 1: in terms of the guys they brought in. You bring
Speaker 1: in Kinlog, bring in Runchdown, you're bringing Dietrich Wild, bring
Speaker 1: good defensive football players that our gaps sound. And I
Speaker 1: think that's got to be the start of it. But
Speaker 1: that's only the start, right for this.
Speaker 4: To start, because this first down, like what they say
Speaker 4: it now is we want to win first down, like
Speaker 4: we want to win first down, which is usually a rundown.
Speaker 4: We want to win it down, so we force you
Speaker 4: to pay it. Now, we go signce situations, pay as well.
Speaker 4: Is like Vonon Miller, and we got Frankie Louvu. Now
Speaker 4: we're gonna send the past rushers after you. I think
Speaker 4: what we seen, what we're seeing right now is is
Speaker 4: a validation of what the NFC Championship Game showed Adam
Speaker 4: Peters what this roster really was. Yeah, he said, I
Speaker 4: got to go get bigger, I got to go get stronger.
Speaker 2: I got to go get guys that have a select.
Speaker 4: Skill set so when we need them, they can be
Speaker 4: used and we can weaponize them.
Speaker 2: And we went got bigger. We win.
Speaker 4: Got bigger on the offensive line, we win't got bigger
Speaker 4: on the defensive line. We want to win first down
Speaker 4: on both sides of the football.
Speaker 5: So tell me something, how much bigger did we get
Speaker 5: on the defensive side of the ball. Because it's kind
Speaker 5: of odd for a person who played a skill set
Speaker 5: as a receiver to look at the guys that we
Speaker 5: had last year and say, well, we was pretty big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how little were we last year compared to the
Speaker 2: guys we got this year.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's bigger. I mean like
Speaker 1: de trich Wise plays defensive end, he's three hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: He's three hundred pounds. And then Eddie Goldman is like
Speaker 1: a true nose, there's three and twenty pound. I think
Speaker 1: he's like three forty Like he's a bigger old.
Speaker 5: So basically it's about having the key guys for those
Speaker 5: key positions. Look, you just said a true nose. When
Speaker 5: you have a true nose, you want you want.
Speaker 2: A log deal. You want him to be unmovab.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you want a guy who could just put his
Speaker 5: damn anchor in the ground and say I won't move.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to double me to get me off
Speaker 2: the point.
Speaker 1: And I think you look at kid like the addition
Speaker 1: of ken Law too, like what that means in terms
Speaker 1: like he is a watching him every we saw him
Speaker 1: in OKAS.
Speaker 3: But dude, he is a huge.
Speaker 2: That can move.
Speaker 4: He's an eighteen wheeler, that's what he is. And versatile.
Speaker 4: He can play nose three. He can play d n
Speaker 4: if you need him too. So he's versatile. I think
Speaker 4: we did. We got bigger and stronger. When you bring
Speaker 4: Laraman thoss over, he becomes your anchor on the offensive. Tackle,
Speaker 4: you go get Connanly another three hundred pounds, you moving
Speaker 4: Coleman inside.
Speaker 2: We got bigger on both sides of the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think the other thing too.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Flutch today about defense, you know,
Speaker 1: and like kind of some of the stuff that he
Speaker 1: saw last year in terms of what it was like
Speaker 1: to play a middle linebacker, and he's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: like getting guys in here that have the ability to
Speaker 1: sit a double team, the ability to make sure that
Speaker 1: the linebacker is cleaning the football. Yes, And when you
Speaker 1: look at the guy that's playing linebacker Forrest and Bobby
Speaker 1: Wagner and Frankie Louvo, like he needs it. You're not
Speaker 1: going to find a guy who's who's more consistent as
Speaker 1: a tackler. But he needs the front four guys to
Speaker 1: play good ball. And so I think that to Tanna's point,
Speaker 1: like you bring in a guy that they are bigger, yes,
Speaker 1: but they also know how to do that stuff.
Speaker 3: What I need, how are we going to take.
Speaker 1: On this tight end block or this this out block
Speaker 1: by the tackle? I need to set an edge right
Speaker 1: that forces the ball back to Deran, who's done a
Speaker 1: great job throughout his career of beating guards and holding
Speaker 1: this gap that forces the ball back one at a
Speaker 1: time to Bobby Bobby, and Bobby can't run sideline and
Speaker 1: sideline anymore. And he had to do a lot last
Speaker 1: year because guys aren't worth there and and.
Speaker 5: Did a great did a great job at it for
Speaker 5: being what thirteen to fourteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So we can make it easier for him,
Speaker 3: as what I'm saying, because you.
Speaker 4: Want to make sure he's tackling inside the hash. They
Speaker 4: get outside the hash didn't mean somebody's not doing a job.
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right. So I think you got
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, five guys, six guys in that
Speaker 1: defensive front that are gonna be like specialty run stoppers,
Speaker 1: you know. And so then I think that leads to
Speaker 1: the next point with the defense is like ton of
Speaker 1: fans say where's the pass rush coming from? And now
Speaker 1: you look at it and say, man, like, I think
Speaker 1: Dorin's Armstrong is pretty good pass rusher.
Speaker 4: Listen down the scratch last year and in the playoffs,
Speaker 4: especially when they moved him inside and I'm passing down.
Speaker 4: He showed you I can do this. And I think
Speaker 4: his slow start came from him having an injury. So
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show you I can go out here and
Speaker 4: be one on one. Do you bring in von Miller
Speaker 4: without saying he can go be one on one? Doron Payne,
Speaker 4: I think I'll get back to nail it. Juson Newton
Speaker 4: is the one when I say pass rush, especially from
Speaker 4: the interior, that I'm very excited to see this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's healthy and like Tanner, you talked about that,
Speaker 1: You've talked about that maybe I'm sure on the show
Speaker 1: at some point, but like the idea that he is
Speaker 1: coming off an injury, and like you came off an
Speaker 1: injury your first year and just how you didn't really
Speaker 1: have that opportunity to.
Speaker 3: Like get your self established.
Speaker 1: Because he's obviously like he was a borderline first round talent,
Speaker 1: and same honestly, same thing with Ken Law.
Speaker 3: He's been a little bit nicked up early in the
Speaker 3: spirit too.
Speaker 1: So now, like, can those guys be healthy, can they
Speaker 1: actualize their athleticism and potential? I think that's a huge
Speaker 1: if they can. Yeah, that's gonna be a big deal
Speaker 1: for the past run.
Speaker 5: I mean, we all been players and we take it
Speaker 5: for granted, how much and a true offseason could help
Speaker 5: you out as a player. I remember the year that
Speaker 5: in twenty ten, your first year, I was coming off
Speaker 5: of a knee surgery and I didn't practice with you
Speaker 5: guys into training camps, but I was in the pool
Speaker 5: the whole that whole time in the OTAs, and I
Speaker 5: remember training camp. When I finally got out there, I
Speaker 5: was a little butter ball that was two hundred plus
Speaker 5: pounds when I normally played at one ninety. And just
Speaker 5: that little bit of weight that I carried because I
Speaker 5: went out.
Speaker 2: There, I went out your whole game. It changed my game.
Speaker 5: Now to add to that, I went out there and
Speaker 5: still dominated that season, had another thousand yard year. But
Speaker 5: just imagine me without that weight, I probably would have
Speaker 5: had an extoring numbers, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 5: when you see these guys coming off of those seasons
Speaker 5: being productive but had to deal with something early, like
Speaker 5: a guy like Newton Man, especially being.
Speaker 2: A rookie and having to deal with that, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: So now having all that knowledge that he got from
Speaker 5: last season, saw how rigorous that game, I mean, the
Speaker 5: season was. To a young guy to come into this
Speaker 5: year knowing this off seasons is behind him, I can't
Speaker 5: wait to see him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I think we're all super excited.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see Ken Long. I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: Deron like in an expanded role. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: an exciting opportunity. And I think one guy that Fred
Speaker 1: mentioned that I think it's going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun to talk about. And we did like a
Speaker 1: feature on him on our Live our Live Training Camp
Speaker 1: show is Von Miller. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: sticks out to me is like he's older, He's thirty
Speaker 1: six years old, but I mean he's still got some really.
Speaker 2: High level mo right.
Speaker 4: He last year he was timed with a one second
Speaker 4: one point three second get off one point four yah
Speaker 4: put like this. He ranked number one of all edge
Speaker 4: rushers on getoff time. Yeah, so in thirty six years old,
Speaker 4: his first step is still the fancies first step is
Speaker 4: a past rushing in the league right now.
Speaker 3: And people say, how is that possible?
Speaker 1: And I will say, like, when you watch him, and
Speaker 1: this is the thing I think that makes him special
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see how his knowledge integrates with
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 3: Is like you know, obviously there's a get off for
Speaker 3: like a race like out of the blocks.
Speaker 1: And One of the things that sticks out to me
Speaker 1: about Vonn is he knows how to anticipate a snap count, yes,
Speaker 1: better than anybody.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So he might not have like the true horsepower anymore,
Speaker 1: but his knowledge, his ability to understand where the tackle's
Speaker 1: at is a big deal. Like just watching him move
Speaker 1: around in these drills, like how easy it is for him,
Speaker 1: you see, like why like why he was maybe the
Speaker 1: most dominant defensive player of his era. And I think about,
Speaker 1: like how you're going to use that here? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it fits something that's such an acute need with.
Speaker 4: You got a specialist with a with a special set
Speaker 4: of skills, like my guy sees he has a special
Speaker 4: set of skills. And this is why it was so
Speaker 4: important to get big on first down. So it allows
Speaker 4: him to come in on third down and do what
Speaker 4: he does best and this.
Speaker 2: Rush to pass.
Speaker 5: And not only that, I mean if he's caught in
Speaker 5: one of those downs where they want to decide to
Speaker 5: say run the ball, this guy he's been there, done that,
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, he's played every down before to
Speaker 5: know that, Okay, I might not came pin in my
Speaker 5: ears back now I have to go out here and
Speaker 5: set his edge yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And again just watching him move around, like gosh, man,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be cool, especially if you can keep him on,
Speaker 1: Like I think about how well they handled Zach Eris
Speaker 1: to handle ditch count.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to handle Austin in terms of.
Speaker 1: Pitch count, like they know how to deal with that
Speaker 1: older player, Like if you can get the best version
Speaker 1: of him on third down, Like think about if he
Speaker 1: ends up with rushing every third down two minute in
Speaker 1: the game scenario, like it ends up with eight sacks,
Speaker 1: like that is a tremendous signing for this team.
Speaker 4: Oh no, if he go eight sex like this the
Speaker 4: one thing, it's sex by committee, Like that's the great
Speaker 4: thing about this will probably be the first time that
Speaker 4: he's been on a team that we don't need you
Speaker 4: to lead to the team even sex for us to.
Speaker 2: Win, Like we need you to be efficient and we
Speaker 2: need you to unlock everybody else.
Speaker 4: In the past, Ruts Meanie teams played Washington, they gonna say,
Speaker 4: we gotta stop Bun Miller on third down.
Speaker 2: Frankie Loofo coming from and if June New coming from
Speaker 2: the mill.
Speaker 1: And Frankie you know he he does specially drill bos
Speaker 1: security drill and then he comes right over with the
Speaker 1: pass rushers, so he's getting work in both spots and
Speaker 1: like it's cool to see them kind of. And then
Speaker 1: once the past work is done, he goes over and
Speaker 1: does off fall linebackers stuff.
Speaker 5: It's phenomenal just to see him on the field. Man,
Speaker 5: he he ignites the defense. To me, you know, we
Speaker 5: talked about the last year how he this was one
Speaker 5: of those I guess he was like, that's that spark
Speaker 5: plug for us energy talking about a locking a guy.
Speaker 5: If you can bring in somebody else to unlock him more,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be a long season for a lot of teams.
Speaker 4: I think von Miller does because Von is gonna receive
Speaker 4: the attention. And that's why I say we don't need
Speaker 4: vun to lead the team in sex for us to
Speaker 4: win Super Bowl, be a winning team.
Speaker 1: And you know, we were talking with Fletch today on
Speaker 1: the Command Center show and one of the things that
Speaker 1: stuck out to me is he was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about the secondary.
Speaker 3: I'm worried about the pass rush.
Speaker 1: And for me it's the other way around because I
Speaker 1: look at and I say, like man, durrence Armstrong had
Speaker 1: like eight sacks last year seven sacks. I don't remember
Speaker 1: the exact number, but like he can rush the passer.
Speaker 1: You put him next to Vaughan that's gas. Then you
Speaker 1: got Deron Ken lodgers On on the interior, like you're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to rush the pastor what I say.
Speaker 1: And then one of the things about Frankie is I
Speaker 1: think he's a much better blitzer than he is an
Speaker 1: edge rusher, and now he can do that at a
Speaker 1: high level and say good luck to any running backers
Speaker 1: they got to block him. So to me, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: if that all comes together the way it sounds like
Speaker 1: it will on paper, that's gonna be special. I think
Speaker 1: that all starts with that von Miller signing. So kudos
Speaker 1: to Adam Peters for getting that done. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about individual players here more in a second, but one
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to ask you about is Dan talked
Speaker 1: a lot today about progressing guys the right way and
Speaker 1: making sure that they stay healthy through training camp. And
Speaker 1: so one of the things that I thought was brilliant
Speaker 1: is that they started with red zone today. He was
Speaker 1: why would they do that? That's like a more advanced
Speaker 1: thing work situational football and it's because it shortens the field. Yes,
Speaker 1: like you expose yourself as a receiver to injury longer
Speaker 1: when we're running long routes. And so I thought, man,
Speaker 1: what a great day, What a great way to make.
Speaker 2: Sure who did the study behind it? They give him
Speaker 2: to do that, because that's smart.
Speaker 5: That's amazing that you know what you're doing also too,
Speaker 5: and I didn't mean to cut you off. You're actually
Speaker 5: building me up to now have that longer, you know,
Speaker 5: y'all is to cover, you know, like if you get
Speaker 5: me out there and give me reps now short, my
Speaker 5: body is now acclimating, acclimating too the field to how
Speaker 5: much I'm pounding.
Speaker 2: Then the every day I can now expand.
Speaker 1: That, you know what I mean, do more because you
Speaker 1: still keep the same number of reps. Like I was impressed,
Speaker 1: Like they did. Probably I want to say it was
Speaker 1: like a twenty five minute like they broke it up.
Speaker 1: It was like a seven on seven then a team
Speaker 1: red zone, but it was back to back, so they're.
Speaker 3: Not cutting reps.
Speaker 1: But like, because the field is short, you can really
Speaker 1: stick in there. The intensity is high, very high, but
Speaker 1: like the distances are lower, so all those like hamstrings
Speaker 1: adductor soft tissue thing. Yeah, are kind of kept in
Speaker 1: the bag. And I just think, like, you know, it.
Speaker 2: Keeps the fatigue down and the work stays good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the work stays sharp, fast burst, quick burst
Speaker 4: back to work, quick burst back to work, not long gated,
Speaker 4: because come on, think about this. If I'm checking Tanna,
Speaker 4: we in cover one, Tanner run a go route. Me
Speaker 4: and Tanner got to run that fifty yards, but we
Speaker 4: gotta run fifty.
Speaker 1: Back, running back and then line up again and go
Speaker 1: to the hut and do it again, and your body's
Speaker 1: just not ready.
Speaker 2: So I'm ready for that.
Speaker 1: I think just the way to ensure we got health.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing I love about it too, guys,
Speaker 1: is that it puts the quarterbacks in a tough spot
Speaker 1: day one. Yeah, it's not like, hey, we're running stick,
Speaker 1: We're running dragon double stand on the backside.
Speaker 2: When does that be yeah, we got.
Speaker 5: It's almost like you're basically it's funny that we look
Speaker 5: at it like when you really look at it, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna save everybody else's legs, but.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make my quarterbacks think out the gate. Yes.
Speaker 5: So now the more and more I give them, it'll
Speaker 5: get it easier for him thinking because he have more
Speaker 5: to read, you know what I mean. So and then
Speaker 5: and being that the quarterbacks are the hardest position on
Speaker 5: the field, that's a great way to go about it
Speaker 5: because now you put everything to him. You give him
Speaker 5: that that quiz first day of school, and say everybody else,
Speaker 5: you guys, just see him watch right now.
Speaker 2: You don't take in photo your that's unique. Man.
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing about Jayden talking about
Speaker 1: we haven't really talked about him a lot, but like
Speaker 1: he just looks so sharp, like his ability to get
Speaker 1: like it's the it's the quick Like I had a
Speaker 1: guy Kyle Shanahan actually told me this one time. He
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, what makes Jimmy Garoppolo so good?
Speaker 1: He's like he's got one of the quickest releases I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. And so when you watch Jaden in the
Speaker 1: red zone, like, man, that's a tough first day, that's
Speaker 1: a tough sat. But that ball is out of his
Speaker 1: hands so quick. He anticipates throws so well. It's just
Speaker 1: like you see what makes him special.
Speaker 4: I think what makes him specially is the person man
Speaker 4: to have the best Rooky season of any quarterback of
Speaker 4: all time. And he did not go on Baker Mayfield
Speaker 4: in the off season. And when I say Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 4: it's that you wasn't seeing them in commercials. It was
Speaker 4: just like, man, I'm going back to work, I don't
Speaker 4: really care about That just blows me how grounded this
Speaker 4: kid is, how aware? Like the one thing we use
Speaker 4: it lacking our twenties is awareness like this.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, well I think too.
Speaker 5: You give a lot of creditism mom because she's always there,
Speaker 5: so you know, and that's one thing that we didn't have.
Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong. We all had parents, that all
Speaker 5: had moms. But once we left the house at eighteen college,
Speaker 5: it was a rap. When I'm turning twenty one, you couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't.
Speaker 5: I can't expect my twenty one year old kids now.
Speaker 5: And I got a twenty one year old and a
Speaker 5: twenty five year old. I can't expect them to take
Speaker 5: on the things I did at twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I was light years ahead of
Speaker 2: where they built it.
Speaker 5: You know, they steal my babies at twenty one and
Speaker 5: twenty five, twenty one, twenty five, I was telling my
Speaker 5: mom and them all, hey, go get this.
Speaker 2: I got this for you, go pick it up.
Speaker 5: Like I was almost calling shots, and not to say
Speaker 5: for them, but for myself.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. My kids ain't calling no shots.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you what it is.
Speaker 5: It's crazy how these kids and just how the years
Speaker 5: just changed in time with kids and how much we
Speaker 5: can give them and how much we can't give them.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, also think you guys are good dads. So you
Speaker 1: guys have provided really well for him. This is a
Speaker 1: we're taking the side little parent compliment for Fred and Tanna.
Speaker 1: You guys provide for your kids. Think about you were
Speaker 1: providing for your family when you're in you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, the dynamics different now for sure. So
Speaker 1: the other guy I want to talk about that I
Speaker 1: noticed the team was our guy Kiinlaw.
Speaker 2: He he's a mountain. He's the mountain like like so.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it's hard to know every down
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He plays defensive tackle and this is
Speaker 1: how he played in New York. That's how he played
Speaker 1: in Francisco. Like when he flashes, it's like a freaking
Speaker 1: lightning bolt.
Speaker 2: It's like bully ball.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when he decides I'm finna go one percent debo
Speaker 4: on these guys and take their like he looks.
Speaker 1: The part, and so to me, it's just like, how
Speaker 1: can this coaching staff get him to do some of
Speaker 1: that stuff instead of But do.
Speaker 5: You think do you think with the way they played
Speaker 5: the guys last year and the year before were particularly
Speaker 5: last year, how they rotation, rotation, rotating these guys, you
Speaker 5: will you will get the best of him every time than.
Speaker 4: You will because that I think you don't get the
Speaker 4: best kill erw when he low energy, when he when
Speaker 4: he uh gasping for air. Like with this rotation, I
Speaker 4: think it have them sharp, like I gotta make airplay count.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you have one of those defenses where I
Speaker 5: think they just have so many bodies they have to
Speaker 5: put on the field at times for key moments to
Speaker 5: where you don't have to primarily just have a guy
Speaker 5: out that is to be out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, we played on teams where I ain't never.
Speaker 5: See some of our guys come off the field on
Speaker 5: defense and you know they was getting it behind, you know,
Speaker 5: tossed around.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We have a defense here
Speaker 2: now that any given play.
Speaker 5: He could be could super guy and he could go
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 2: And make a play, you know, make an impact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so just to see his power, like like
Speaker 1: here's a player today he bulls the guard and like
Speaker 1: it was a you know ever seen like a fast
Speaker 1: ball where the guards are completely on skates? Yes, and
Speaker 1: you're like, who is Oh, it's killer. Like if you
Speaker 1: can get him to do that instead of two every
Speaker 1: ten plays like every four every ten or five like
Speaker 1: fifty percent, like I don't know, man, like that becomes
Speaker 1: a really devastating piece for the You.
Speaker 2: Know how I feel about interior pass rush.
Speaker 3: I know you do.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's the most effective disruptive thing that a.
Speaker 2: Defense could get.
Speaker 4: And even when I bless lineback because I want to
Speaker 4: bless him through the A gap and I can't wait
Speaker 4: to see your guy from UC lak Madronal Like that's
Speaker 4: my that's my players crush right now of this off
Speaker 4: season right now.
Speaker 2: I just think the guy got it all.
Speaker 4: And I think once he gets the rolling in this league,
Speaker 4: you know how some guys get to the league unassuming,
Speaker 4: but then when you see him.
Speaker 2: Play, you're like, ah, that's a twelve year pro like
Speaker 2: some he just got.
Speaker 4: This feel to me of once I unlock this skill, said,
Speaker 4: y'all gonna realize I can do everything.
Speaker 2: Hey, he's gonna be up to you, coach to figure
Speaker 2: out what I do best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's a guy that you know, you said
Speaker 1: he's got everything. I think he's got to improve as
Speaker 1: a tackler a little bit. But in terms of movement skills, man,
Speaker 1: that dude he just glided.
Speaker 5: How do you how do you get better at than?
Speaker 5: When you a guy that he has enough football behind him.
Speaker 5: We know he played receiver at one point. We know
Speaker 5: he played phenomenally last year, you know, being a I
Speaker 5: guess you can say linebacker, slash safety, whatever position he played. Yeah,
Speaker 5: now you're in the league and you say he still
Speaker 5: need a little you know, upgrade on technique and wont.
Speaker 2: To this tackle.
Speaker 1: But what I will say this too, like talk about
Speaker 1: it like we talked about it with maybe on the
Speaker 1: show on the Command Center show that's working on technical development, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: Ryan Kerrigan's talking about hands on the run fits. This
Speaker 1: is how it's like basic stuff every single day, this time,
Speaker 1: over and over a tackling drow Yeah, every day.
Speaker 3: So I know I played for ten years.
Speaker 1: You guys played for long times also, like I played
Speaker 1: for teams, but that was never even a thing, and
Speaker 1: every single day.
Speaker 2: They said you should already had his baseline in the minu.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I look at the way dan
Speaker 1: Quinn has structured practice, the way the coaches emphasized things,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get looks every day to improve your tackling.
Speaker 1: So let's make that happen. And I think, like, talk
Speaker 1: about just the perfect environment for a guy who's got
Speaker 1: every kind of athletic ability. You want every as get
Speaker 1: your tackling better. Like that's something we focus on and
Speaker 1: we prioritize.
Speaker 4: I know this is this is a big name I'm
Speaker 4: finna throw out there, but every time, because I found
Speaker 4: myself the other day. I just looked at some k
Speaker 4: Madrono highlights I just did, and I was like, man,
Speaker 4: this dude picks balls off and running back like Derek Brooks.
Speaker 4: You know how Derek Brooke played in space in that
Speaker 4: Tempa two. It ain't nothing you could do in front
Speaker 4: of Brooks that he ain't have an answer for this dude.
Speaker 2: I've seen him.
Speaker 3: He's got the ball skills too.
Speaker 4: I seen this guy. They did a play action. He
Speaker 4: runs into the defensive line, bags out, picks the ball off,
Speaker 4: runs it back hops ober.
Speaker 3: Dude before he gets to the Nebraska Nebraska.
Speaker 2: I like, you know what this athletic?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he's he's one of a bunch of
Speaker 1: other rookies. You know, we're watching kind of while we're
Speaker 1: filming the shows. Any other rookies do you guys like.
Speaker 2: Trey Games making some noise out there. I like loud rookies.
Speaker 2: I like long coners. I just think I think he's
Speaker 2: always no I think he, you know how some guy
Speaker 2: like he fits. He's a pro.
Speaker 4: I think he feels like he's an instant pro. He's
Speaker 4: like instant grits. Put it in the micro wave. Give
Speaker 4: me them grits.
Speaker 2: You know, laying gonna always stick out to me, not
Speaker 2: to didn't it and not all? And I think he did.
Speaker 5: I didn't see the touchdown, but I just saw him
Speaker 5: at one play he had where Ignagi had great coverage
Speaker 5: on him.
Speaker 2: And people take that for granted. When you're on a team,
Speaker 2: when your secondary is good like our secondary, you have
Speaker 2: no choice but to get.
Speaker 5: Better at that position at at the receive a position,
Speaker 5: and you know as a whole, so to have a
Speaker 5: young guy with with with his caliber, his skill set,
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be shoppering this whole training camp
Speaker 5: to be one of those guys when you see him
Speaker 5: getting the game this preseason, Yeah, be well, those guys
Speaker 5: on the other side of him, they're gonna get a
Speaker 5: they gonna get something, Tody, they're not gonna expect because
Speaker 5: our secondary is so good over here that he's gonna
Speaker 5: be ready like a regular season game by the time
Speaker 5: he plays in the preseason.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point Tender. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, like the same thing with Cain Lane Connorley,
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, all these guys are a little
Speaker 1: bit developmental, you know, and so I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the things about training camp he talked about, like
Speaker 1: how we felt about training camp. I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: where those guys are today and if by the end
Speaker 1: they're who we think they can, if they've got like
Speaker 1: a roll carved out for them.
Speaker 2: I'm never worried about who you are when training camp starts.
Speaker 2: I'm never I'm not high on that. I want to
Speaker 2: see you get just.
Speaker 4: That much better every day. And if I could see that,
Speaker 4: like you know, some rooks they just they gonna come ready.
Speaker 4: Some guys, I'm fresh at the box. I'm ready to play.
Speaker 2: Put me in coach.
Speaker 4: Some guy need to get the field of high fast
Speaker 4: his game. He is before they like really unlocked their
Speaker 4: skill set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, I mean I think, and that's something I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see. And again, like even with like
Speaker 1: Connorley Man, the way he moves is special, but he's
Speaker 1: still got a lot a lot of technical stuff to
Speaker 1: work on. And again, like not not to say he's
Speaker 1: playing bad or anything like that, it's just to be
Speaker 1: looks like to be a stud. Like he's got to
Speaker 1: be a stud. And so that's gonna be cool to
Speaker 1: see where those guys go. The other couple of big names,
Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of debo, just because we're
Speaker 1: kind of doing two things at once smash on the
Speaker 1: same thing. The one guy that did stick out to
Speaker 1: me was laring me Tunsel. Yeah, just like how easy
Speaker 1: it is for him.
Speaker 5: To He's amendment there too, so it's not hard for him,
Speaker 5: you know, to stake out.
Speaker 1: His footwork and the way he kind of just is
Speaker 1: in good relationship to the rusher all the time. Always
Speaker 1: like he had a rep against Franken and I think
Speaker 1: Frank's pretty good pass rusher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was like kind of like he was
Speaker 3: sleeping through the rep. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He reminds me of Champ Bailey when I got and
Speaker 4: me and Champ would be in the hood and that
Speaker 4: I just one day, I just kept looking at him.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this dude is never age. I never scratched out.
Speaker 1: He's lar because I played with Laram and Houston and
Speaker 1: that's just how he is. Like no one, No, I've
Speaker 1: never seen a rusher like freaking out.
Speaker 2: Like round at him like ever.
Speaker 4: And they cool come they called it quiet, confident, like
Speaker 4: I'm fine, I'm good in my skin. I understand how
Speaker 4: you trying to take me, and I'm just gonna let
Speaker 4: you come get it like them game change in athletes
Speaker 4: right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so really excited about him, Really excited about that
Speaker 1: offensive line seat that group comes together. You know, only
Speaker 1: one day of practically being able to watch so far.
Speaker 1: So as we watch more, we'll give you updates and
Speaker 1: things like that. But really excited. And I think now
Speaker 1: we can transition to kind of more Jade Daniels centric
Speaker 1: talk j D fact because he's been in the news
Speaker 1: quite a bit for good things, for good things, for
Speaker 1: good things. And it's him and another guy in the division,
Speaker 1: and they're getting a lot of comparison to each other.
Speaker 1: And so we're gonna play a game of hell yeah
Speaker 1: or hell that was good, dude, that was really good.
Speaker 1: You guys are like locked in on that.
Speaker 3: And so basically Jane Daniels versus Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: And so the first thing we're gonna start off with
Speaker 1: is Jalen Daniels is the fifth fifth best quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Nick Shook from nfl dot Com said he's
Speaker 1: the fifth best quarterback in the NFL. Just to give
Speaker 1: you some context on that.
Speaker 3: That's like Joe.
Speaker 1: Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Eddie where
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 3: And right there. And so like those first four dudes
Speaker 3: are like generationally good.
Speaker 2: Hold up, I have to ask you this. Yeah, where
Speaker 2: was Pat Mahomes in this?
Speaker 3: I think it was two?
Speaker 2: I agree twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Jason's good, Lamar's one, two is Allen, three
Speaker 1: is Borrough and golf.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I don't like this.
Speaker 2: They have pet in the.
Speaker 3: Mahomes is after Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2: Yeah, alright, I pet did hal here him? For anybody else?
Speaker 2: That'll be an up year. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But in no world, in no world that I live on,
Speaker 4: I don't care if it's Mars. Do you say Jered
Speaker 4: Golf over Pat Mahon?
Speaker 2: But Jared Goff had to good your list year, had
Speaker 2: a good year, but ran into us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I look at it like this, we just
Speaker 5: asked him question about did this hell yeo?
Speaker 2: Hell no? Right yeah by Jaden Ben in twenty four?
Speaker 5: I say hell yeah, because arguably without him getting hurt
Speaker 5: last year, he probably would have been in the runners
Speaker 5: for MVP.
Speaker 2: So I say yes, hell yeah, ude, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I know it sounds crazy like we're homers, but I
Speaker 1: think empirically, you look at the stats.
Speaker 3: You look at what he did for the team. You
Speaker 3: look how he carried the team.
Speaker 1: You look at the plays that he made, The fourth
Speaker 1: down percentages, the third down percentage unbelievable.
Speaker 3: With big time. We don't win a lot of them
Speaker 3: games without him, Like he was an absolute maniac.
Speaker 4: He was a catalyst to winning. What do y'all need
Speaker 4: me to do today? Rush four hundred, I got you
Speaker 4: what you need me to do? Pinpoint pass for three hundred.
Speaker 2: I got you? What about fourth down? Were the best
Speaker 2: in the league? Because I got you?
Speaker 4: So yes, this is what I'm more like. I don't
Speaker 4: think his passing shocked me. I don't think his running
Speaker 4: shocked me. The ice water in his kid's veins too,
Speaker 4: like he never got overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: Logan ever to me, and this kind of piggybacks off
Speaker 1: your point. It's like the consistent decision making games on
Speaker 1: the line. I make the right decision third down, I
Speaker 1: make the right decision. Fourth down, I make a play
Speaker 1: and make it happen.
Speaker 5: Like do you know how many veteran quarterbacks I played
Speaker 5: with that I walked into that huddle and knew we
Speaker 5: finna get.
Speaker 2: Off the field.
Speaker 5: You didn't trust him on that down, Like I could
Speaker 5: just sit in his eyes that he don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know how to get out of this. And from
Speaker 5: where we was watching it at, Logan was on the
Speaker 5: field all the time all last year, so he was
Speaker 5: a little closer. But from where I was at, he
Speaker 5: just saw a guy from how he looked in first quarter,
Speaker 5: he looked in the last quarter.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: It never it never never round. It looked like the
Speaker 5: play was too big, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 5: just this guy went even when he got nick and
Speaker 5: we knew he was nick, I'm like, ah, something in right,
Speaker 5: he got up and like kept playing and let's go,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, still was trying to make plays.
Speaker 2: So even in the playoffs, in the NFC Championship game,
Speaker 2: he ain't the reason we lost him. Like this dude
Speaker 2: had ice water in the NFC Championship game. Do you
Speaker 2: know what the Dallas Cowboys that do. If d Prescott
Speaker 2: had a litter in ice water, ain't come about the
Speaker 2: dough think about it. He had.
Speaker 5: He was so good in the playoffs and even though,
Speaker 5: like I said, we lost that game, but we dropped
Speaker 5: from the ball to me, he was so good and
Speaker 5: we give Jaydon this ball back he gon game for
Speaker 5: the be We was down by only eleven and that yeah,
Speaker 5: we was on the road.
Speaker 2: Right now and jam put that ball into the paint.
Speaker 1: So this is an interesting question because we're talking about
Speaker 1: quarterbacks from last year. If you had to rank him
Speaker 1: one to ten, yeah, I think we could all do
Speaker 1: it together. It doesn't have to be individually, Like how
Speaker 1: would we do it like, who's number one. I think
Speaker 1: number one for me is probably Lamar.
Speaker 5: Last year, to me it was a toss up, you know,
Speaker 5: being biased, I would say Lamar, but you can't deny
Speaker 5: what Burrow did it?
Speaker 3: Burrow did? I think Josh Josh Allen.
Speaker 5: I watched Josh Allen to and I don't take nothing
Speaker 5: from Josh. He's easy top three because if you say Lamar,
Speaker 5: Burrow and Josh Allen, any one of those guys could
Speaker 5: be in that special first second or third they change games.
Speaker 1: So I'm just just for ease of lists, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go Lamar, Lamar one, Burrow Burrow.
Speaker 5: We go with that, Josh, I mean, Josh, Josh want,
Speaker 5: and then we'll give it.
Speaker 4: I say Josh because Josh proved to be the ultimate
Speaker 4: force mote to play last year compared to his wide receivers.
Speaker 3: That's a great point.
Speaker 2: Game.
Speaker 3: And then Burrow it's three three, So I mean that
Speaker 3: feels obvious because those.
Speaker 2: Guys are really good at I got Pat mahomes it for.
Speaker 3: Even after last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, his dad year is a great year for
Speaker 4: every quarters fill win them game without Pat mahoons.
Speaker 2: Do you know how many games they wanted last year exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think this is the thing that I find interesting,
Speaker 1: is I really want to put Jay Danis a five,
Speaker 1: like I want to hate on.
Speaker 3: This list, but like he feels to me like last year,
Speaker 3: last year. I know it's his rookie year, but I
Speaker 3: don't know if I put anybody ahead of him.
Speaker 2: I look at it like this, who is the person
Speaker 2: that you say, who made who? Who? Who put their
Speaker 2: team in the position to be where they was at?
Speaker 1: It would be Jeredoff justin Herbert would be when I
Speaker 1: talk about maybe Hurts, yeah, and I don't, And I'm
Speaker 1: low Ron Hurts those people.
Speaker 2: I think he's a more dangerous weapon than those guys.
Speaker 2: So I do believe that.
Speaker 3: I do believe that Hurts.
Speaker 5: I do believe Hurts should get a little credit because
Speaker 5: of where their team win as a whole. But then
Speaker 5: that's when I go back to what was being said
Speaker 5: by him. If you put somebody the else there, do
Speaker 5: that team still be really what it was?
Speaker 3: And I do believe that, don't you imagine?
Speaker 1: Like Kirk Cousinshia, I always say, what's magical about that guy?
Speaker 2: When I see Jalen Hurts was magical by him?
Speaker 4: Is he's a quarterback the squad six hundred and he
Speaker 4: got Ice warden Icewarden and he's a great leader, but
Speaker 4: he has to play this unstoppable. It might be a
Speaker 4: touch pushing, whatever you want to call it, but it's unstoppable.
Speaker 2: So everybody can't do it. We watched Josh Hallen try
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: They're the closing to us to get the job.
Speaker 2: Done well with Josh doing it.
Speaker 5: But I would say, Jad, I'm gonna get JD five because,
Speaker 5: like I said before, I can easily have him as
Speaker 5: a you know, an MVP guy if he don't get
Speaker 5: hurt last year. But the things that he did for us,
Speaker 5: and even with him being hurt last year, the way
Speaker 5: he would us into those victories Old six games where
Speaker 5: we had to come back and last minute and win
Speaker 5: those games, even when he went head to head and
Speaker 5: and your boy got hurt in that Philly game and
Speaker 5: we end up finding a way to come back like
Speaker 5: that alone, to me showed me like this kid is
Speaker 5: special because I care less about who you have outside
Speaker 5: of you. We talked about this a lot last year
Speaker 5: and even started this season off talking about it.
Speaker 2: Without Terry mcclaurin, who else we had that receiver.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and it gets to a point where
Speaker 5: you say, like we I'll say, when you have that
Speaker 5: it guy a pay many everybody, Tom Brady, Drew Brees.
Speaker 5: You don't need those many, you don't need special receivers.
Speaker 5: You just need to get open. And that's what Jay
Speaker 5: and Daniel shows you. I can play with anybody on
Speaker 5: the outside because I'm gonna put the ball in a
Speaker 5: place where only they can get the ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Je Daniels five five, and so if you had
Speaker 3: to go six.
Speaker 2: Hurts really hurts with Herbert, I go Hurts, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go Hurst.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Jared Golf my business.
Speaker 2: I go Hurt. I go Hurst because I say Hurst
Speaker 2: won it all he can. We can already be saying
Speaker 2: we can arguely saying that he.
Speaker 5: Was in the top five at quarterbacks because he want
Speaker 5: it all. But I I just like all those guys
Speaker 5: play better than him, stick handedly by himself. They willed
Speaker 5: their team Submitty more than he did last year. You know,
Speaker 5: he didn't have to, and they had a phenomenal team.
Speaker 2: And then I go Golf, Then I go Herbert.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I feel like coach Harpwall asked Herbert to
Speaker 4: do a little bit.
Speaker 2: I don't even go Herbert, I go your boy from Tampa.
Speaker 5: You go Baker, Baker Mayfield. I like that, Baker Mayfield
Speaker 5: in front of Herbert.
Speaker 3: That's a nice pick. That's a nice pull by you
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 2: I love that. Okay.
Speaker 3: And the other thing. Okay, so we were at I
Speaker 3: got said again, Hurts, that's six.
Speaker 5: Yep, Baking may Golf, then Baking Mayfield.
Speaker 1: I like that, Tanne, and then Jason Herbert. I think
Speaker 1: that's good for me. And then who's number ten?
Speaker 2: Number ten, number ten? And then that nobody liked to
Speaker 2: really get two of those props. Stafford. Oh no, we
Speaker 2: might have to read, we might have to redo. Nah,
Speaker 2: but Stafford going to I think Stafford right there.
Speaker 5: Stafford, with his ability alone, yes, could be easy to
Speaker 5: be anywhere from five to ten. But with those other
Speaker 5: guys playing as good as they play, they deserve it.
Speaker 5: I think we have to just put Stafford at ten, just.
Speaker 2: Say Stafford is to do, just to say that we
Speaker 2: can't leave him out. This is a dude we left out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we can't leave him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. The other thing that I think is a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. So obviously we had JD five above Hurts,
Speaker 1: so we think he's better.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of Philly fans don't like that.
Speaker 3: And I think Cam Newton got a lot of hate.
Speaker 2: We don't we hate.
Speaker 4: First of all, we don't care about them bleach your
Speaker 4: creatures up there in Philip Death You all right, listen.
Speaker 4: They hate on Santa claud they hate the Easter Bunny.
Speaker 4: Why you worried about him hating us?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so producer Jason just asked me a question. Okay,
Speaker 1: imagine your Philly ap calls you and offers you JD
Speaker 1: for Hurts straight up.
Speaker 2: I don't want it.
Speaker 3: First of all, fast, How fast would Philly do that.
Speaker 2: Hurts would be here?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Literally in fifteen minutes? Right?
Speaker 4: That Roseman be like, Nah, this gotta be a print
Speaker 4: call like this gotta be so you're gonna bring me
Speaker 4: a guy that runs just as well but throws better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what that Philly outfense would look like?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think I think also to the only thing the
Speaker 5: only thing that that that hurt Hurts arguments a lot
Speaker 5: is how long he holds onto the ball. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: we know without that phenomenal offenser line and knows you guys.
Speaker 5: You know that's like a recipe for disaster for any quarterback.
Speaker 5: You know, that's one of the things we talk about.
Speaker 5: Where to come to your boy?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Who just went to who just went to the Giants?
Speaker 2: Wilson uh Russell, you know what I mean? Like like him? Man?
Speaker 5: You got Winston James? Yeah, hold James like you know.
Speaker 5: When when you hold onto that ball too long, you're
Speaker 5: not giving yourself a chance to really affect the defense
Speaker 5: at their most vulnerable state. You got to get rid
Speaker 5: of football. Don't give I care less if they got
Speaker 5: everything else covered. But if you get the ball out
Speaker 5: of your hands, it's one guy open, and it might
Speaker 5: be the check down, might be the tight end, it's
Speaker 5: somebody open.
Speaker 2: But you give yourself a chance offensively player.
Speaker 4: The nightmare that just happened in my head was our
Speaker 4: po with Jedi five in Saint Quon Barie and you're.
Speaker 3: Throwing and it's an r pos so I could.
Speaker 2: Or listen to me. To me, that's demos dangerous I
Speaker 2: have ever heard in my life. I mean, barbecue chickens.
Speaker 2: What you're gonna do you? Isn't that that you can do?
Speaker 1: So to me, like I understand why Philly fans got
Speaker 1: their guys back. And Tanna was talking about this before
Speaker 1: the show started that they because of Hurts, his leadership,
Speaker 1: because of his composure, because of his and again, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was the thing. And we're not hating
Speaker 1: on Hurts, but like, it's so hard to explain this
Speaker 1: to someone who doesn't watch a lot of film objectively.
Speaker 1: He doesn't play the quarter position quarterback position in a
Speaker 1: conventional way. He holds onto the ball for a really
Speaker 1: long time, right, doesn't anticipate throw as well.
Speaker 2: And he got two guys on a side that could
Speaker 2: beat one on one coverage.
Speaker 1: And you have to play them in man coverage because
Speaker 1: to stop the run, and he can win that matchup.
Speaker 1: And I think, like, and the defenses, what the defense
Speaker 1: last year was the best defense since the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: probably in two thousand. Like so to say, like I
Speaker 1: almost like I meant I made this as a joke early,
Speaker 1: But think about it. If you put healthy Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: on that roster.
Speaker 2: They wins. Anything changed, they win, change they win, right,
Speaker 2: they win.
Speaker 5: And that's the only reason why I can say that
Speaker 5: when we hear guys like Cam speak out about it,
Speaker 5: although I didn't. I didn't like his take on it,
Speaker 5: but I understood. I understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 2: I do believe. I believe in Hurts. I like him,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't take nothing from him because he has a dynamic,
Speaker 5: you know, or damn avengers around him when it comes
Speaker 5: to skill skill skill guys and then office a line,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: But I will say, if I had to compare.
Speaker 5: Him amongst the other guys that was slotting in front
Speaker 5: of him, he doesn't pair up. He doesn't match up
Speaker 5: with what they do better than him. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 5: what kind of I think Cam was trying to.
Speaker 4: You know, this is why we always gave the goat
Speaker 4: Tom Brady more loved than we gave Peyton Manning because
Speaker 4: Peyton had Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, and Andrew James,
Speaker 4: and Tom.
Speaker 2: Brady would come out there with Dion Branch and the field.
Speaker 5: But I will say this too though, with Tom Brady,
Speaker 5: the first couple of Super Bowls was defense and field
Speaker 5: goal kicks, you know what I mean, and running the ball.
Speaker 5: But that's how you got to win games. It don't
Speaker 5: matter however you do. It's a team sport. So that's
Speaker 5: why I say, like, that's like us having an argument
Speaker 5: with Lebron James and when he went back to Cleveland.
Speaker 5: You see these guys when they try to move the
Speaker 5: gold post with him in the goat discussion, Oh well
Speaker 5: that's a Kyrie championship one.
Speaker 2: Kyrie made that shot. Who cares. That's like me getting
Speaker 2: to the super Bowl and having no yards, but I
Speaker 2: bought all saves. I got you there.
Speaker 5: So that's you can't you can't take nothing away from
Speaker 5: guys because of what they have or don't have, as
Speaker 5: long as they got the job done.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. So that's how I feel
Speaker 2: about Hurts.
Speaker 5: He got the job done, so I ain't taking nothing
Speaker 5: away from him, But comparing amongst these other guys, they
Speaker 5: have super powers that he don't have.
Speaker 3: And I think this is gonna sound like I'm heading
Speaker 3: on Hurts. And I like Hurts.
Speaker 1: I like the leadership, I like the physicality, I like
Speaker 1: the competitor. Right, as a quarterback, I think he has
Speaker 1: some issues. Right, there is no way with Dan Moore
Speaker 1: as your offensive coordinator, right, that's his name, Dan Moore,
Speaker 1: the guy. Huh, Kellen Moore, the tackles Dan Moore Kellen Moore, right,
Speaker 1: and you have a J Brown Stevante Smith that you
Speaker 1: should have games where you're throwing for under one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards.
Speaker 4: Dada was goddard, don't forget him. Yeah, you got one
Speaker 4: of the better receiving running backs. Like Saquon is a
Speaker 4: weapon as we're seen, and.
Speaker 1: I know that's not how they're built necessarily, but like
Speaker 1: you should never go like there was. There are points
Speaker 1: in the season every year with Philadelphia where they're throwing
Speaker 1: for one hundred and fifty yards, their defense gets two
Speaker 1: turnovers and Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3: Last year rushed for und yards And so who's who's.
Speaker 1: The weakest link in that equation? And again, I love
Speaker 1: the leadership, love how he inspires his teammates like that.
Speaker 1: The coldest thing about the Super Bowl last year to
Speaker 1: me was when he's walking into the tunnel and it's
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Kansas City, Kansas City, Philly and he and
Speaker 1: then they go do what they did. Yeah, like he
Speaker 1: he plays well in big moments.
Speaker 2: But I just that's him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But it's hard for me to look at that and say.
Speaker 5: That's why I say you can't be you can't be
Speaker 5: you can't be sad or or or you can't be
Speaker 5: upset when you hear people don't give him the credit.
Speaker 2: Give him his credit like far As in Top five.
Speaker 5: But when you're a super Bowl winning guy and you
Speaker 5: you've been there twice and you outplayed the guy who
Speaker 5: won it once and who you beat the next time
Speaker 5: both times, you gotta give him some kind of credit.
Speaker 5: Thats why I say he deserves something. Yeah, but listen,
Speaker 5: this is how we know his passing was not all there.
Speaker 4: When your guy pulls out a book on the sideline,
Speaker 4: that means like something's going on.
Speaker 5: They did say that he'd been doing it all year long.
Speaker 5: They did say he was going and that was from
Speaker 5: the receivers. That was that that was around him. They
Speaker 5: say he been reading the whole year man. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: we know it was an underline. That just shows you
Speaker 5: that something going on with aj Brown meant psychologically like
Speaker 5: he he got a little something he needed to check
Speaker 5: because he he got to calm himself down with a
Speaker 5: book in the middle of a game.
Speaker 2: He gotta lift to oism, he gotta letter I like
Speaker 2: I like him too, boy, because he'll pit bull yeah,
Speaker 2: you play.
Speaker 1: And so just again to kind of end this comparison
Speaker 1: and like kind of hype, Jane Dane is up a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, So you got a guy played twenty games,
Speaker 1: sixty eight point four completion percentage, right, Hurts was ninety
Speaker 1: sixty sixty nine. But then he threw for forty three
Speaker 1: hundred yards, right, thirty touchdown passes, ten interceptions. That's diabolic,
Speaker 1: And then you're like, oh, that's pretty good. But he
Speaker 1: also rushed for a thousand yards, yes, seven.
Speaker 2: Rushington you know one thing you didn't say about it.
Speaker 2: He's a rookie. Yeah, and he clutch you know, I
Speaker 2: can't clutch wheels.
Speaker 1: And if you want to compare that to Hurts, Hurts
Speaker 1: only had thirty six hundred yards passing twenty three touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He only rushed for one hundred, eight hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: four eight hundred and twenty four yards. Like the numbers
Speaker 1: when you look at them on paper, are MVP caliber numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And so I think the.
Speaker 1: Question that I come back to is like he was
Speaker 1: so good last year, like he was like can he
Speaker 1: improve on that? Kitty cracked the top five?
Speaker 4: I think he can improve because as legit as a
Speaker 4: passer as he is.
Speaker 2: I think he would say I left some yards on
Speaker 2: the field.
Speaker 4: So I think now that everything's finna really slow down
Speaker 4: for him, and that silent confidence wonders that he wouldn't
Speaker 4: throw in last year, he gonna throw in those.
Speaker 2: Wonders right now.
Speaker 5: And not only that, just with the protection thing, you know,
Speaker 5: being upgraded, now that's key. Now you're getting more guys
Speaker 5: out in the passing routes, and now he can take
Speaker 5: advantage of of I guess you could say a deeper
Speaker 5: arsenal a matchup.
Speaker 2: And also knowing this, they only gonna play me in zone.
Speaker 4: He found, Like I think as the year went on
Speaker 4: last year, he started to realize, everybody plays me the same.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm you know what?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm asking right now going into the season,
Speaker 5: how much we make them do something that they don't
Speaker 5: want to do defensively with his abilities, Like what what.
Speaker 4: Are we planning to do to say I want you,
Speaker 4: I dare you to do this? You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: He handicaps courtinated nobody.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, I want to know how we're gonna
Speaker 5: use our that that that gift, that we have with
Speaker 5: our quarterback, now that we dictate, Now that we like
Speaker 5: we all talking about being dictators, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: and not allowing the team to dictate what we have
Speaker 5: to do. Do we come off the bat say ideare
Speaker 5: you to get out there and just sit back?
Speaker 2: Think they would rp O come.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy though, is like Tanny, you said this,
Speaker 1: like there were times last year where like just as
Speaker 1: an example, like Arizona played drop eight right next team
Speaker 1: brings all out and he just was like, oh cool,
Speaker 1: Like look at Detroit. Detroit is a great example, Like
Speaker 1: they pressured him higher.
Speaker 3: Than any rate.
Speaker 2: They had twelve people hurt on you.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying like he was like, oh, you're gonna
Speaker 3: pressure me. I know the answer.
Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna play drop eight. I'm gonna be patient.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bits like I came. I left the year
Speaker 1: being like the only way to defend this guy is
Speaker 1: to win with four rushers it and play some type
Speaker 1: of tight man coverage or match coverage on.
Speaker 2: Them, saying you have to rush for you to play,
Speaker 2: you had to play true match.
Speaker 3: Like the way Philly does.
Speaker 1: Yes, and and then you then the other thing is
Speaker 1: like he played teams with match coverages and birth then.
Speaker 1: But like when you've got the horses that Philly has,
Speaker 1: like that's a little challenging.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I don't. I didn't see anything last year
Speaker 3: that gave him.
Speaker 5: And and Philly didn't give him a fix because we
Speaker 5: was right there if we want he was. So it's
Speaker 5: just like, oh, man, like you know, and.
Speaker 3: I guess it's interesting.
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to ask you guys is
Speaker 1: how does his improvement? How does that start in training camp?
Speaker 1: I think that's what do you want to see from him?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's a great question because we was asking
Speaker 5: that question earlier. And like I said before, I'm not
Speaker 5: big on man. Wow me, I feel like I've been
Speaker 5: wild already. I want to see, now how much can
Speaker 5: he add on to what he's already done?
Speaker 2: Just progressions, you know.
Speaker 5: What I mean, Like like little progressions by we already
Speaker 5: talked about him. He's a leader now, like he's now
Speaker 5: people looking up. It's not it's no longer our young
Speaker 5: young Whooper snapper quarterback in the committee?
Speaker 2: What something? I mean?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like he's that guy and
Speaker 5: not only that when the playbook opens up a little
Speaker 5: bit more where where Cliffs said, I'm finish, go on
Speaker 5: my bag a little more. How much more better he is?
Speaker 5: How much that how much better that's gonna make him?
Speaker 5: Being that now I have a little more that I
Speaker 5: can work with setting and being confined to these certain
Speaker 5: places because we don't have to, we don't have the
Speaker 5: skill set up. I think the people that's finna benefit
Speaker 5: from his maturation is the number three and number four
Speaker 5: receiver because we had to keep them in and chip
Speaker 5: a little bit tight end chip back Chip. I think
Speaker 5: now because he's gonna be able to open up the playbook, Kim,
Speaker 5: I mean Kingsbury, the third and the fourth receiver, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna start to really get off in this offense like
Speaker 5: they're start.
Speaker 4: They're gonna start to be game breakers because with JD.
Speaker 4: Five as your quarterback, my third receiving fourth receiver gonna
Speaker 4: be better than your third and fourth cornerback, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be able to whoop him like a drug.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: The other exciting thing for me is that I think
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury and the rest of this offensive staff know
Speaker 1: how to get it done. You know what, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna find a way to say, hey, we
Speaker 1: were really good in quick game, really good at RPO,
Speaker 1: really good at zone read. Let's kind of worked that
Speaker 1: five step drop now, so three and a hitch from
Speaker 1: the gun, Like, let's attack the middle of the field more.
Speaker 1: We got Larry me here, we can fifteen rat rook
Speaker 1: And so I think that's the thing. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see him kind of take that next step on And
Speaker 1: I'm glad that there's a steward here in Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: who's gonna help him get that done. And I think
Speaker 1: he really understands Jaden's strengths and weaknesses and it is
Speaker 1: gonna facilitate that at a really high level. So all
Speaker 1: that starts down in training camp. And again it's cool
Speaker 1: to kind of watch it and kind of see the
Speaker 1: wrinkles that they're adding and see the little things that
Speaker 1: are going on. Curious to see what actually sticks for
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, but yeah, man, training camp, it's an
Speaker 1: exciting time.
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