WEBVTT - US Citizenship on the Chopping Block | NLP Replay 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.560 Native lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:04.760 Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:06.559 Nobody knows. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.840 Let's turn our attention to the Supreme Court case Claire Thomas. 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:13.480 Let's start with. 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.400 Him, you know, every now and then, not every now 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.119 and then Anyway, today Claire Thomas asked this question about 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.239 dres Scott, and that's not the question we have. But 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.160 I do want to roll the first Claire's Thomas question 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.520 we have. I just want to acknowledge Donald Trump, who 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.960 has been in the room for our arguments we're saying today. 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.320 But it's going to end tomorrow, obviously, but this is 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.199 still fresh, so we don't have it all together. I 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:38.920 do want to roll this claireence Thomas question. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.159 Generally, you're getting a lot of questions about immigration, and 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:47.880 they harke it back, of course, to the citizenship, which 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:52.000 is defined in or set out in the fourteenth Amendment. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.600 How much of the debates around the fourteenth Amendment had 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:58.120 anything to do with immigration. 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.520 I think that the principal focus of those debates has 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.600 to do really not with immigrants, but with the Indian tribes. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:10.880 I mean, obviously the main goal that one pervading purpose 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.600 of this Court said in the Slaughterhouse cases was to 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.120 establish the citizenship of the freed slaves and their children. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:21.400 But they were very concerned about the problem of something 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.319 that they all accepted as a given, which is that 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.920 the children of tribal Indians are not within the rule 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.440 of birthright citizenship. So I think that's what they focus 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.640 and we draw an analogy to that to the issue 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:35.680 of temporary sojourners. But there are mentions of temporary sojourneying 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.679 multiple places in the congressional debates, and all of those 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:39.800 quotes go in our direction. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:41.800 So that's the first one. I don't know if y'all 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.720 want to get into another part of the orals here, 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:49.440 but what is I think really fascinating. The lead attorney 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.640 on our side of the issue is a child of 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:58.600 immigrants arguing birthright citizenship. And you see the blatant hypocrisy 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:03.320 not only of the Republican Party, the Trump administration, and 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.160 probably some of these justices when this ruling will eventually 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.080 come out, are on this particular issue, some of them 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:10.640 being children of immigrants themselves. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:12.840 But I don't know, I wanted to if. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.600 I could just back up a second to mention because 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.080 I know we've all been wiscons in this case, as 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.200 we've heard or arguments today before the you know, the 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:26.000 High Court. But what's that question here is that the 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:30.400 President has signed an executive order several months back that 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:35.640 basically says that redefines the fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:40.320 which established, just for all of our knowledge, that an 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.919 individual born here in the United States is considered a 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:49.120 citizen of the United States of America, regardless of where 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.240 their parents originated. And there are a few exceptions to 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.280 that rule, usually having to deal with diplomats, foreign diplomats 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:04.760 and high ministers to respective country, and in the case 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:09.240 of foreign occupation that the law doesn't apply to those 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.680 individuals those individuals, but they're basically four exceptions to the law. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:18.000 And it really even though you heard the mention of 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:25.960 dred Scott the Fourteenth Amendments, how it came into formation 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.480 in the first place in eighteen sixty eight, it was 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.560 part of what we now know as the sort of 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:35.600 reconstruction clauses of the Constitution, and those were the thirteenth, fourteenth, 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:40.160 and fifteenth Amendment, giving black folks in this country access 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.720 to the constitutional guarantees that we were denied at the 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.480 forming of this country, but it dates back to you know, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:54.080 the early sixteen hundreds as part of Calvin's case in 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.400 Great Britain that established that anyone born under the jurisdiction 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:03.440 of the king had to be basically obedient and is 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.240 a subject of the king, regardless again of what their 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.960 parents did or where they came from. So, although it's 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:10.360 been the law of the land for one hundred and 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:15.280 fifty years coming into formation since the fourteenth Amendment, it 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.039 has been the practice of the United States, mostly for 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.159 white men, but the practice of the United States since 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.520 before the founding of the United States of America. So 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:31.000 this man has the audacity to challenge this constitutional amendment 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.120 that basically black people are responsible for it having come 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.839 into formation in the first place. And I just think 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.640 we are to as a community, really understand the import 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:46.000 of this debate today, this week, and in the weeks 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.720 ahead as the Supreme Court sort of deals with this. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:50.880 I think a lot of people are assuming that it's 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.240 going to go one way. But I thought the same 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.800 thing about others settled pieces of law, that the court, 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.040 this court, this conservative court, would go one way, and 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.359 it ended up going a different one. So let's just 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:06.880 pay attention to what's happening here. The fourteenth Miendment exists 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.880 because of us, but as affirmed for in future cases, 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.760 it applies to everybody and anybody born here in the 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.520 United States on our soil. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:18.560 And that's just the party. 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.720 I do think I appreciate you backing into context here, 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:26.240 Andrew's important. Donald Trump, moments after leaving the oral arguments, 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.760 went to truth Social number. By the way, this is 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.760 the only time in history documented that sitting president attended 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.840 oral arguments, so that's also a major We can argue 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.400 that he was there to try to intimidate the justices 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.520 in some way, but he posted on true Social shortly 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.719 after leaving, we are the only country in the world 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.960 stupid enough to allow birthright citizenship. He's wrong. Thirty other 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.400 countries at least also have birthright citizenship. The other piece 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.200 that I think is really important here, and I actually 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.599 want to at least commend John Roberts for this one 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:03.200 statement he made the Solicitor General General arguing that even 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:07.240 though the Framers didn't have in mind, which was John 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.640 Roberts question, that this is the type of situation that 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.719 would come up people coming here, you know, falling in 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.800 love with someone who was already a citizen here and 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.000 having a child, how do you determine whose parent is 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.520 that you know is responsible for the baby and where 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:27.600 their citizenship lay. And the Solicitor General Sours says, we're 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.240 in a new world now, and John Roberts, Chief Justice 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.760 John Roberts says, back, it's a new world, but it's 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.159 the same constitution. And so I think there are these 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:40.719 interesting pockets where you see their humanity. But to Andrew's point, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:46.360 we are literally one Supreme Court decision away from the 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.839 dismantling and the gutting and the wrongful interpretation of the 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.960 fourteenth Amendment, of any amendment in any single case, in 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.040 any single case, they could decide not to rely on President. 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.280 They could they could decide to rely on. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.160 Court president case President that is not in our favor, 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.159 right like it ain't always been. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.120 The Supreme Court decision they're talking about dread Scott. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.920 Dread Scott is not what established birthright citizenship. It was 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.400 the case that broke dread Scott's hard enough to cause 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.360 his death because they did not see him as a citizen, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:19.560 as a human, because. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.440 He was an en slave person right property, that's right. Chatto, 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:24.880 I can ask one question though. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:26.280 One of the things, because I think both of you 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:30.560 and Andrew, you highlighted the importance Angela and Andrew gave 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.840 us the history. But one of the questions we haven't 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.360 answered for listeners, and I want to see what you 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:39.080 three think and and kind of just trim it down 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.720 is why, you know, what, why are they going through this? 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:48.680 Why are they going through this exercise? Practically like why? 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:50.720 Yeah, I don't want to I want bread to be 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:51.160 able to wait. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:59.960 I mean, I'm a lawyer, but I have been black 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:01.720 my whole life, a Negro. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.239 As those. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.480 I'm from Saint Louis, which means every MLK day the 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.240 show me state period, y'all know, I put on for 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:15.080 Saint Louis, And every mlkday we marched from Pala Symphony 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.720 Hall to the old Courthouse in downtown Saint Louis where 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:23.840 Dread and Harriet Scott stood before the Missouri State Supreme Court. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.760 They were also members of the church that my father 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.320 later passored, the second oldest church founded by freeing enslaved 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.559 black people in the state of Missouri. And thinking about 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.840 that history, what is clear to me is that what 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.920 they told Dread and Harriet about what they thought about 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:46.160 their dignity and humanity remains true. So they didn't recognize 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.920 their humanity and their dignity, then they don't. These folks 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.000 don't have any intent on recognizing our humanity or dignity now. 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.880 And just because they're using us as the cudgel to 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.680 try to make their argument doesn't mean that we're safe. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.160 And I think it's really really important that those of 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.200 us who can trace our families back four and five 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.720 generations on this land, don't get comfortable and think that 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.280 this thing can apply to us, because it absolutely can. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.840 I just think that they want the whole thing to themselves. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:13.640 That's just what I think it comes down to. 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.320 I think brit is right. I do want to just 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.080 if I can drop in another clip. We have a 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.959 dissenter in chief in the Supreme Court. Her name is 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:27.080 Katanji Brown Jackson, Justice Katanji Brown Jackson, and today she 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:32.400 demonstrates I think a great in her questioning Bikari an 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.720 answer suggested answer to your why, let's roll that. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.200 Did I understand you to say that domicile is going 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:43.319 to be eventually or is controlled by Congress? Who is domiciled? 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.679 I'm struggling to figure out who is domiciled. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.559 In your argument, the domiciliaries are people who are lawfully 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.880 present and have an intent to remain permanently. So that's 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:56.000 the kind of black letter understanding of domicile. Now, Congress 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.520 can't dictate the certain classes of people legal entrance and 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.520 so forth, cannot awfully lack of legal capacity to form 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.000 a legally binding Docit is that. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.560 So then doesn't it make the domicile for the purpose 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.199 of the Fourteenth Amendment turned then ultimately on Congress's will 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.120 in a way that the framers did not intend. I mean, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.840 my understanding was the Framers put this citizenship clause into 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:26.079 the Constitution to prevent future Congresses from being able to 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:27.920 affect citizenship in this way. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:34.319 For sure, Very briefly, No, I don't think so, because 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.040 it is up to the alien whether or not they 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.200 want to be domiciled here. Now, there may be. 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:44.520 Said Congress can make determinations as to who counts as 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.720 being domiciled here. So that's true, Then it ultimately would 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.520 impact in your theory whether or not this person can 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:57.040 claim that they have citizenship for Fourteenth Amendment purposes based 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:01.559 on Congress's determination. I just thought that's what the Fourteenth 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.680 Amendment was trying to get away from. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.920 Yes, very briefly, I just point you to the discussion 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.840 in Professor Worman's im GUS brief where he talks about 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.840 this is not a new problem, going back even to 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.480 the British common law. There's a situation of people who 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.760 lack a safe conduct and are passing through the King's 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.280 domains without permission. And he says, the best reading of 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:23.839 the common laws, they are not in the protection of 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.319 the King, and they're not covered by their royal birthright. 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.800 Citizenship passing through. He's been real colorful with the language there. 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:31.240 But I will tell you, first of all, I'll say 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.640 Justice Jackson and I would add to that Justice Soto 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.880 Mayor both have a way of making the High Court 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.200 accessible in their questions and the way in which they 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:46.280 summarize their questions. As a non lawyer, I feel like 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.160 I can access what it is that they're trying to 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:52.360 say and what the crux of the argument is about. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.960 To Bakari's question, because I think it really it's a 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.199 great one and it's one that we all ought to consider, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.680 Like why now, why after terms before the founding of 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.319 this nation, does it decide under Trump and his stooges 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.679 to redefine who a US citizen is. And although a 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.640 lot of us may think that this thing is powered 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:14.960 by the immigration of Latin Americans, I think into the US, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.640 that's who they like to use as today's sort of boogeyman. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.720 I think it has everything to do with what surfaces 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.960 in Donald Trump's voice. Every time he has the opportunity 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.200 to talk about the kinds of people he believes ought 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.440 to be in the United States, he talks about people 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.480 from shithole countries, places that we don't want. 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:37.200 Right. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.719 He talks about South America at the whole continent of 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.760 Africa to forgive him. He doesn't know the demographic diversity 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.400 that exists on the continent, but whatever be that as 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.760 it may. And then when he talks about Europe, he 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:58.080 talks about Europe losing its authenticity, its identity because of 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.120 the immigration of brown peace. So lets none of us 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.440 get it confused that what this theme is about isn't 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.760 just about Latin American immigration in this country. They wish 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:15.360 to reverse the wheels of immigrant of the census of 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.480 this country going forward. They know that white folks have 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.360 a lower birth rate than any other group. They know 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.680 that the browning of America is real, that is here, 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.840 and that it will increase, and so to preserve their power, 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.400 they believe they need a more Eurocentric United States of America. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.960 This is this is based in racism, as was of 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:40.679 the origination here, as was the Fourteenth Amendment which saved 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:44.360 us from it, as was the Southern States then implementing 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:48.320 their own discriminatory laws after the Fourteenth Amendment to keep 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:53.840 us from accessing power. So they're not talking about black people, 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.360 they're not name checking us right now as the problem. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.760 They're using us and escapegoading us as part of the 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.680 solution through the fourteenth minis and on this argument. But 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.280 don't get it twisted. They see us as big a 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.640 threat as they see Latin American immigration. They don't want 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.880 us counted in the census, and they don't want us 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.600 being the majority. Ultimately, I think this is about what 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.080 you hear Donald Trump say, which is he wants a 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:19.240 whiter America and he wants an America that brings people 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:24.120 in from European countries who are also just European and 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.360 Dutch people from South Africa. Don't forget. 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.040 They going back. They don't even like it here. They 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:31.000 all go back. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.920 They say this is a way, They say, we ain't 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:35.720 want to be in the ghetto. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.280 I think that, you know, just summarily, it's two things, 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:41.920 and I think Andrew hit the nail on the head. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.920 I mean, it's it's about power, and it's about fear. 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.520 It's the fear of losing what they believe to be theirs, 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.760 the browning of America, this inability to understand Angela rise 0:14:55.360 --> 0:15:01.440 phrase that this joint for free right, and not acknowledging 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:06.560 that the equity of of of what diversity has put 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:11.000 into this country, not recognizing those contributions. And I think lastly, 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.520 it's about just not valuing diversity. You know, that power, 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.120 that that power talking point is so real because it 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.760 comes down to elections. They see themselves having a better 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.760 opportunity winning an election, maintaining power with the fewer black 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.800 and brown folk in this country, period, point blank, fullstop. 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:34.440 And I honestly don't think that that Donald Trump. I 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.520 find him to be a useful idiot for those of it, 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.400 those individuals who are around him, because I think that 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.840 we don't we talk about it a lot, but the 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.440 Stephen Millers and the Bannons of the world are the 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:52.640 ones who are orchestrating this. And then the sad part 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:58.960 is the the Cassidys and the Cottons of the world, 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.360 the Hallies of the world, the Vanceas of the world 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:08.640 don't have the testicular fortitude to be able to rise 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.960 up to this case, this occasion and actually recognize what 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:15.320 America is and or her value. So I think power 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:26.360 and I think fear are whatsdrivingness. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.240 Power, though right, fear is how you maintain power. I 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:27.960 say this all the time, and I teach on this 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.800 every single conflict in the West, in America, in particular, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.320 in white dominant culture, comes down to the desire to 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.680 hoard power. White dominant culture teaches us that power is 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.560 a pie and there are only so many slices to 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.560 go around. The idea that we are all born with 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.040 innate power and it is therefore abundant, and we can 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.480 share it and all be better when we share it 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:54.160 is foreign to a white the ideology of whiteness, right, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.520 it is it is natural to our communities, It is 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.520 foreign to them. So they're going to maintain power by 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:05.240 any means necessary and at all costs, which means stoking fear, 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.919 which means stoking violence very intentionally, right, because that's always 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.240 a tool of power. Because they mean to, they intend 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.359 to ensure that they don't share power with anybody but themselves. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.760 And if there are wealthy people of color who think 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:26.080 they're gonna get in on no pie, they are sadly mistaken. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.680 Native Lampid is a production of iHeart Radio and partnership 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.160 with reisent Choice Media. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.560 visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:40.399 to your favorite shows.