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Speaker 1: All right, Well, there are certain opening day traditions that

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Speaker 1: to continue one of them right here on Friar Territory.

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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, I'm Darren Smith.

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Speaker 1: That is Marty Caswell, and if you're watching on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: you can see a very familiar face and name, very

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Speaker 1: seven time All Star Hall of Famer Trevor Hoffman, who

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Speaker 1: always always took.

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Speaker 2: Time out of his busy day to join us on.

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Speaker 1: Opening Day, so we're as close to it as we

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Speaker 1: can get. And here he is, the great Hall of

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Speaker 2: Haffe is always good to see you. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 3: Good morning you too.

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Speaker 4: I've been like a forward of this tradition too. I

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Speaker 4: noticed that time of the year and I'm sorry we

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Speaker 4: weren't able to connect in spring training, but this is

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Speaker 4: something I wasn't going to miss.

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Speaker 3: Great being with you guys.

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Speaker 5: Great seeing you, Hoffeing. Before I turn this back over

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Speaker 5: to Darren, I'm gonna go ahead and ratch you out

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Speaker 5: for one second, because when I lined you up and

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Speaker 5: I gave you a time for today, you said that

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Speaker 5: I was killing you because you have BedHead until noon.

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Speaker 5: Your hair is immaculate. Okay, you're a surfer guy. You

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Speaker 5: and you look great. I didn't how much I didn't

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Speaker 5: know you. You spent so much time on your hair

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Speaker 3: It's what a little water will do.

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Speaker 4: So yes, power Allies are starting to get a lot

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Speaker 3: We're pushing the fences back. We're not bringing them in.

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Speaker 1: Very good line there, Trevor, what is the record, man?

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you should give classes to former athletes

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Speaker 4: So for me, it was a big challenge in spring

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Speaker 4: training because the spread every day is unbelievable. In the

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Speaker 3: They do an amazing job.

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Speaker 4: But I had to show some restraint in not piling

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well it's working out for you, my man. So

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Speaker 1: as always, you're looking fantastic. We're heading into another season.

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Speaker 1: Explain to us as a player. I mean, you're not

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Speaker 1: you know it's coming. We're hours away from opening day

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Speaker 1: at Peco Park. You're through the grind of Peoria, Arizona

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Speaker 1: and spring training. Tell us what it's like like, the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the butterflies really kind of start to

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Speaker 4: you're right, I think the end of spring training, in

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Speaker 4: season is one where you start to reflect on one

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Speaker 4: what kind of spring did you have? And three what

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Speaker 4: And so all those emotions are running around. You're you're

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Speaker 3: In a sense, and so.

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Speaker 4: You're just anticipating, you know, getting your hearing your name

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Speaker 4: you know, oh my gosh, we have one hundred and

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Speaker 5: Hafey, you have we been spoiled here in San Diego

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Speaker 5: Mason Miller. We know how good this bullpen is going

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Speaker 4: I think their pedigree is gonna speak for itself to

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Speaker 4: they they're they're there. Arizona just stinks, you know, from

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Speaker 4: a Marquez for pitching nine years in Colorado and then

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Speaker 4: having a new spring training in Arizona. This guy's wait

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Speaker 3: But he's going to enjoy Sea.

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Speaker 4: You know, Griffin when his achilles is it gets a

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Speaker 4: from that standpoint in our incumbents, you know, Joe needs

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Speaker 4: And then Nick's gonna it's gonna be one inning the

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Speaker 4: where I'm at. I just think that's an Arizona thing.

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Speaker 4: I think we try things in Arizona, like a new pitch,

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Speaker 3: Back to what you're comfortable with and ultimately allow you

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Speaker 5: Have you gotten to know Nick Povetta pretty I'm sorry, Darren,

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Speaker 3: A little bit?

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Speaker 4: he cares a lot about doing well for this team,

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Speaker 4: and he's he's animated, whether it's a bullpen or spring training.

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Speaker 5: I love that ping pong.

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to seeing him pitch in the regular season again.

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Speaker 1: For the record, Trevor said, Arizona stinks. He meant the

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Speaker 1: you talked about you know what got you to the dance,

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Speaker 1: and I wonder, you know, for a guy like Walker Bueller,

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Speaker 1: if you see any if there's any commonality, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not exactly the same.

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Speaker 2: But you and your career right pre surgery.

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Speaker 1: Humping it up there into the nineties, right, you were

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Speaker 1: a different picture post surgery, and it's different. I know

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Speaker 1: for him he's had two Tommy John's that wasn't exactly

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Speaker 2: I wonder you know what that's like, if you could walk.

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Speaker 4: It's a great point and it's a great think about

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Speaker 4: I can still touch it, and I can still you know,

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Speaker 4: There'll be moments throughout the year and I'm sure it's

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Speaker 4: just doesn't come out the same. And so the mentality

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Speaker 3: And so he is. He's learning that kind of on

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Speaker 4: At this stage in his career, and it's gonna you know,

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Speaker 3: And I think I see that in him.

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Speaker 4: But you start to learn, Okay, maybe I'll take a

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Speaker 3: And it's always had that.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you don't pitch in the big leagues for as

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Speaker 4: We just have to maybe not be so bullish on

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Speaker 2: Was that hard?

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Speaker 1: I mean, to rewire your your you know, to rewire

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Speaker 3: It's hard. Way you don't have success.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but the hitters kind of remind you, you know,

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Speaker 4: you're not the same guy, and you better learn to

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Speaker 4: do something better with less. It's almost you're getting force fed.

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Speaker 4: But sometimes it is important to learn that way because

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Speaker 4: you're in the in the middle of a real game,

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Speaker 4: not a spring training game, not a bullpen in the

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Speaker 4: off season. You know you have to get an out,

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Speaker 4: and that's kind of the best, you know scenario to

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Speaker 1: Trevor, we have a relief pitcher as a manager. Who

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Speaker 1: ever thought we'd co we'd arrive at this day. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about that when we come back. Craig Stamon as

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Speaker 1: the Potteri's manager, we'll talk and continue with Trevor Hoffman's.

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Speaker 1: She's Marty Caswell. I'm Darren Smith.

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Speaker 2: You're watching and listening to Friar Territory.

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Speaker 7: AJ baseball season is finally here, and there's nothing like

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Speaker 7: listening to the sweet sounds of the game while you're

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Speaker 7: at home enjoying some home cooking, whipping up a beautiful

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we continue with Hall of Famer Trevor Hoffman,

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Speaker 3: But he's a real guy.

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Speaker 5: That was I'm so glad you mentioned the article. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you got to look at what's left

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Speaker 4: Okay, we got a little bit of a hill to

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Speaker 1: Season, Trevor, we talk and use a lot of oxygen

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Speaker 1: on Manny already, we talked a little bit about him,

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Speaker 1: about Fernando Tatis Junior. Is there somebody maybe a little

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Speaker 2: Let's not sleep on this.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a great question, because you're right We

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Speaker 4: but you know there's there's some horses that are still horses,

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: That's five guys. And you add you know, Freddie behind

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Speaker 3: Well. That's that's in the lineup. And talk about a

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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm like.

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Speaker 4: I like our roster, it's just how our guy's gonna

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Speaker 3: We have a little bit of death.

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Speaker 4: We brought in some people that I think stabilize some

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Speaker 4: we know, you have to use your whole roster.

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Speaker 3: And so I think there's a little bit of depth.

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Speaker 4: That depth could be a major factor in areas of

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Speaker 1: Sleeping on Ramon Loreano, I can't believe it anyhow, anyway,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you and thank you for mentioning Tony Gwynn

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Speaker 4: Really thinks it was one way or the other, and

438
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Speaker 4: it'll allow them a little bit of information to help

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Speaker 4: him get out of something.

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Speaker 3: I think I remember hearing talking and something.

441
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,199
Speaker 4: Like that, and I thought it was super sharp some

442
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Speaker 4: only only a guy that stepped in the batter's box

443
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Speaker 4: would recognize. And he brings so much value to the broadcast.

444
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 4: I'm selfish because I hear his pops in him and

445
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Speaker 4: he's such a quality man. And you know, a dad

446
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 4: and a husband and just he's a rock star. And

447
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 4: think him and Jesse grind through spring training. Well, Mud

448
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 4: and Down get to go on vacation right around wherever

449
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Speaker 4: these guys. People don't understand how much hey, in the

450
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Speaker 4: ass these spring training games are and they they're there

451
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Speaker 4: for us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, couldn't have been better said. And you're right about that.

453
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Speaker 1: It's so Hollywood, Don and Mud They just get to,

454
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Speaker 1: you know, go on their boats and do whatever they

455
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Speaker 1: want to do.

456
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Speaker 8: Caushing pictures.

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Speaker 5: Has Don invited you to dinner? Don Tangelo's? Have you

458
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Speaker 5: been invited yet?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: I mean, what's happening here? Hello?

461
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Speaker 2: Right there? I try to invite myself.

462
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Speaker 3: I'll go anywhere.

463
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Speaker 2: That's what I tried to invite myself. Ones.

464
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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, my wife's in the wine business. You know,

465
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Speaker 1: I'll bring the good.

466
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Speaker 2: Wine, right, I don't have to worry about that. I

467
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 2: got you covered.

468
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Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, okay, you know, just totally

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Speaker 1: shut it down, Histan Trophy man. Like, I just was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I won't do that again.

471
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Speaker 4: Man.

472
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Speaker 2: I suppose I learned my lesson on that.

473
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Speaker 3: I think that's that's the key. We're just going to

474
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Speaker 3: show up.

475
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Speaker 2: I love that's hope you're the best.

476
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Speaker 1: It is always our pleasure when we get the opportunity

477
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Speaker 1: to spend a couple of minutes with you.

478
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Speaker 2: Thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 3: Happy Opening Day, everybody for Happy Opening Day. Thanks Trever.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you too.

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Speaker 5: Okay, whoops, you muted?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Well he got a lot of praise from our previous guests.

500
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Speaker 1: I gotta love that. It's almost like they were working

501
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Speaker 1: together Hall of Famer Trevor Hoppin giving tons of credit

502
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Speaker 1: to Tony Gwynn Junior, who was out in Peoria, Arizona

503
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Speaker 1: for the entirety of spring training. Who saw more Podres

504
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Speaker 1: baseball this year in Cactus League action than probably Craig Stammon.

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Speaker 2: And he joins us here on always good, always our pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for joining us here as we

507
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Speaker 1: get set for opening day.

508
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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to speak with you and to see you.

509
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Speaker 2: So thanks for doing this.

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Speaker 8: I'm so happy to be on with you guys. You

511
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Speaker 8: guys know you guys are my favorite.

512
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Speaker 5: So what's up to you. Good to see you, go

513
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Speaker 5: to see you, Good to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And as I said, you saw a lot of

515
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Speaker 1: pottery baseball. You saw a lot of Cactus League action there. Man,

516
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Speaker 1: you probably saw more than when you were playing. And

517
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Speaker 1: I'm only half joking when I say you saw more

518
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Speaker 1: than some of the coaches.

519
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Speaker 2: What's the most important thing you.

520
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Speaker 1: Saw this year in Peoria, Arizona with the Potters?

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Speaker 9: For me, I thought, offensively, they hit the ball really

522
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Speaker 9: hard for like all of spring training.

523
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Speaker 8: And it wasn't just you know this this standard guys.

524
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Speaker 8: You think of.

525
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Speaker 9: I mean, it was literally everybody, and I attribute that

526
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Speaker 9: to Steve and Susan Junior.

527
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Speaker 8: I think.

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Speaker 9: His ability just kind of, you know, getting a chance

529
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Speaker 9: to see it behind the scenes, just his ability to

530
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Speaker 9: kind of talk things out. He's not like one way

531
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Speaker 9: or the highway like he is. He speaks the language,

532
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Speaker 9: and these guys seemingly all he has all of these

533
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Speaker 9: guys ears right now, and so I was very impressed

534
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Speaker 9: with the approach. He talked a lot about at the

535
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Speaker 9: beginning of the season, controlling the strike zone, because that's

536
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Speaker 9: kind of where it starts. When you're swinging at strike's

537
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Speaker 9: game gets a little bit easier, and you saw a

538
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Speaker 9: lot of that during camp. So I was very excited

539
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Speaker 9: watching that kind of play out because it started off

540
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Speaker 9: kind of slow the first week and a half, and

541
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Speaker 9: then from that point it feels like after that twenty

542
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Speaker 9: seven run game, it was just.

543
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Speaker 8: A lot of hard hit baseball from that point on.

544
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Speaker 9: And I thought that, considering how the offense kind of,

545
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Speaker 9: you know, sputtered at times last year, I just thought

546
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Speaker 9: that it was good to see them on it like that.

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Speaker 8: Now. Will it transfer to the regular season, you know, yes,

548
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Speaker 8: who knows?

549
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Speaker 9: But I think from that standpoint, as much as you

550
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Speaker 9: could put into these spring training games.

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Speaker 8: I was excited to see that.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad you mentioned steven SUSA. Of course, another new

553
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Speaker 5: hitting coach for these Padres. Many have gone through some

554
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Speaker 5: hitting coaches. But how big a deal is it that

555
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Speaker 5: because you mentioned that he speaks their language and he's

556
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Speaker 5: only a couple of years removed from the game. Is

557
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Speaker 5: that the trend that we're going to do? You think

558
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Speaker 5: in these clubhouses where they want guys who are a

559
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Speaker 5: bit more relatable, forget the guys from twenty years ago,

560
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Speaker 5: they want guys who are a bit more recent from

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Speaker 5: the game.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I think it just depends on the group of guys

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Speaker 9: you got in the locker room. The Padres have been all.

565
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Speaker 8: Over the map in terms of, yes.

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Speaker 9: The types of the hitting coaches that have been in

567
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Speaker 9: and we've had old school guys, we had news school guys,

568
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Speaker 9: we've had somewhere in between. I think it's more about

569
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Speaker 9: how it fits the specific team that you have, and

570
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Speaker 9: I think it helps Steven These guys remember Susan, I

571
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 9: mean he was a guy that was talked about a

572
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Speaker 9: lot coming up the Nationals organization. He was one of

573
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Speaker 9: these freak athletes that everybody talked about.

574
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Speaker 8: But he's also extremely smart.

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Speaker 9: When it comes to the mechanics of hitting, and so

576
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Speaker 9: I just think he is relatable. It doesn't hurt, doesn't

577
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Speaker 9: hurt that he is not that far removed from the game.

578
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Speaker 9: And you know, ultimately we'll see how it goes. You know,

579
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Speaker 9: we've only spent two months together. They've only spent two

580
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Speaker 9: months together. A lot can happen between now and then,

581
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Speaker 9: but this certainly seems really really promising. I'll say this too,

582
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Speaker 9: You're only as good as the guys who are swinging

583
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Speaker 9: the back as a hitted coach. So no matter how

584
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Speaker 9: smart Steve it is, no matter you know, how much

585
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 9: he speaks the language, when those guys get on the field,

586
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 9: when they produce, he's gonna look.

587
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Speaker 8: Like a gen.

588
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: Right.

589
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Speaker 5: There was a time where Victor Rogriguez was the most

590
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 5: popular coach on this Padre staff just a couple of

591
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 5: years ago, and then he became the scapegoat just a

592
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 5: year ago. Tee, we are like twenty five minutes into

593
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Speaker 5: the show and we have not yet mentioned the name

594
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Speaker 5: Fernando Tatis Junior, which is shocking to me. And I'll

595
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Speaker 5: tell you this, One of my favorite things when I'm

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Speaker 5: out there observing up and close is the sort of

597
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 5: relationship that you have with Fernando. You guys seem very

598
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Speaker 5: very close. What are you expecting from him this year?

599
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Speaker 5: And I know he said my best is ahead of me,

600
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Speaker 5: but he said that last year. Why do you think

601
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 5: this might be a little bit different and showing us

602
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Speaker 5: more of the MVP form of And he was great

603
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Speaker 5: last season, but he and the Padres clearly expect a

604
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Speaker 5: lot more from him.

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Speaker 9: I just think that Toddy, the more experience he gets

606
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 9: under his belt, the more years he has on this planet,

607
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 9: there's more maturity every year that he shows up I

608
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 9: feel like at camp.

609
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Speaker 8: And what is it about this particularly particular year.

610
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Speaker 9: I don't know if there's there's one thing I think

611
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 9: every time Toddy's healthy and he steps into camp, that

612
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 9: should be the thought that he has the ability to

613
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 9: win an MVP, And so I don't think it changes

614
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 9: this year. I loved hearing him in my you know

615
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 9: moments with him during the spring, hearing him talk about

616
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Speaker 9: what he wants to do from a from a hitting standpoint,

617
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 9: what his mindset is in terms of getting to the

618
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Speaker 9: hitting position.

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Speaker 8: And things of that nature.

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Speaker 9: I just the way he talked about it to me

621
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Speaker 9: gives me a lot of excitement for this year.

622
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Speaker 8: You know, I think, you know, when.

623
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Speaker 9: We're talking about the swing, Toddy is is so wiry

624
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 9: and so athletic. He can get away with a lot

625
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 9: of things that most guys can't get away with. Take

626
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 9: you back to that Homer he hit where he was

627
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 9: like full stop restart and he's a Homer. I mean not,

628
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 9: there's just there's very few people on the planet that

629
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 9: can do something like that. But I think his his

630
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 9: want to get better and try to figure out.

631
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Speaker 8: What he needs to do to reach that level.

632
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 9: I think at his hunger for that is only getting stronger.

633
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 8: And I think when you start getting into this twenty six,

634
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 8: twenty seven, twenty eight year old.

635
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Speaker 9: Range, it seems like for most guys, that's when like

636
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 9: the maturity kind of clicks in. And I think for Toddy,

637
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 9: he wants to be that player, and I think that's

638
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 9: kind of part of it, right, You got to want

639
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 9: all that comes with it.

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Speaker 8: He certainly does.

641
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 9: There's been nothing in camp or in the WBC that

642
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 9: would indicate.

643
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Speaker 8: To me that that he's not on the right path.

644
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 8: He swung the battle really well.

645
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Speaker 9: When the lights were at his bright as in the WBC,

646
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 9: he was right there in the thick of all of it.

647
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 9: And so listen again, as long as Toddy's healthy, that's

648
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Speaker 9: the kind of thing that we can expect. And I

649
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 9: think you know another thing that happens for players. You

650
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 9: stop getting into the realm of tinkering all the time.

651
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 9: You kind of get to something and you realize, you

652
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 9: know what, all the tinker and I'm doing isn't giving

653
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 9: me the consistency I want, And so let me try

654
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 9: to stick with something. And I think you saw that

655
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 9: a little bit from him last year, and I think

656
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 9: he's only going to build on that this year. And

657
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 9: some of the swing I wouldn't even say swing changes,

658
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 9: some of the get to the hitting position changes that

659
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Speaker 9: he's made.

660
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Speaker 2: Tony.

661
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Speaker 1: It's interesting because when we talk about Fernando, right, and

662
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: you've been around greatness your whole life, I sometimes wonder

663
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: if he doesn't fully appreciate how much value he brings

664
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: to this team in other ways other than just being

665
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: exclusively in the batters box and hitting forty plus on

666
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: runs like he did earlier in his career. He's won

667
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: two platinum gloves. He's been a good base runner, he

668
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: was a good at bat last year. I mean, he

669
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: brings so much value in so many different ways, and

670
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: sometimes I wonder if he doesn't appreciate it, or or

671
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: if it's not a big priority for him. Like you

672
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: were an amazing you're I mean, seriously, you were maybe

673
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: the one of the best outfielders in the Peco Park

674
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: era who put on a Padre's uniform, right, Like how

675
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: you didn't want to go glove is a mystery to me.

676
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: But like, he brings so much value, and sometimes I

677
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: feel like like we just end up focusing on on

678
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: what he's not doing, and I wonder how we get

679
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: through to him that he's bringing value in ways that, like,

680
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, other players just can't.

681
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 9: He talked a little bit about this deer in the spring,

682
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 9: talked about, you know, sometimes almost like being so hard

683
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 9: on himself that you know, he can get into these

684
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 9: moments where he's in his own head and listen. That

685
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 9: is a human element that's not exclusive to Fernando Tatis Junior.

686
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 9: I think all of us experienced that in some shape

687
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 9: or form, And to me, I think maturity is for him.

688
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 8: Last year in particular is recognizing.

689
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 9: Okay, the power stroke is not here, how can I

690
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 9: find other ways to impact his team? He didn't go

691
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 9: into the tank when when he's when his stroke kind

692
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 9: of lefting for a second, he found other ways, got

693
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 9: on base at the highest clip we've seen from him,

694
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 9: maybe since early in his career, and so those are

695
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 9: his defense didn't they didn't fall it.

696
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 8: It got better, and so I think he recognizes that.

697
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 9: I just think like every other player, when he's going

698
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 9: through a little bit of a rut, he wears that

699
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 9: on his sleep. I don't think that's I don't think

700
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 9: that's different for most guys. Guys who care about it

701
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 9: a lot tend to tend to kind of kind of

702
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 9: go that route sometimes. I think as you get older,

703
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 9: you just learn how to deal with it in better ways.

704
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 9: And I think Toddy's no different. I expect to see

705
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 9: the same thing from him again this year.

706
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 5: So do you think maturity is the maturity is gonna

707
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 5: be the biggest thing for him, the biggest factor for him

708
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 5: knowing how to deal with this stuff.

709
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 9: Knowing how to deal with it, and every year that

710
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 9: he gets a chance to go through the experiment, I

711
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 9: think he's going to be better for it.

712
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 8: I don't think he's gonna get worse. I think Toddy's got.

713
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 9: A good foundation of people around him that care about him.

714
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 9: I think his dad is probably his hardest critic in

715
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 9: terms of, you know, his swing and things that he

716
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 9: should be doing. And I can recognize that my dad

717
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 9: was probably my toughest critic as well.

718
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 8: So I just think he again, he's.

719
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 9: A He's in a good place mentally, and I think that,

720
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 9: as much as anything, will be a reason why he

721
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 9: has an explosive year this year.

722
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: Can I ask about the defense in the outfield as well,

723
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: because as I mentioned, you are an expert in the

724
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: subject from your time in two thousand and nine, ten, eleven, ten, gosh.

725
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: A lot a long time ago.

726
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: Tell us about the uniqueness of playing outfield in the

727
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: NST and you know what you make of not only

728
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Fernando out there and right, but also what you know

729
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: how Jackson Merril has really grown into the type of

730
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: centerfielder that he's become.

731
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 9: Let me start there, because I don't think as much

732
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 9: as we talk about Toddy and his offense and his

733
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 9: defensive pros, I think.

734
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 8: Jackson's kind of flown under the radar.

735
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: Right.

736
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 9: He made a crazy change in his first year. He

737
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 9: goes from infield to outfield, and he was good. It

738
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 9: wasn't great. He was good last year. I thought he

739
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 9: raised the level a big time defensively, and we just

740
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 9: kind of because he was in a lineup, I think,

741
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 9: and we were locked in on you know what he

742
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 9: wasn't doing offensively because of the time off, we just

743
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 9: kind of forgot about my man. In his second year

744
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 9: of playing center field, and in.

745
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 8: My opinion, how good he looked.

746
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 9: I thought from year one to year two, his first

747
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 9: step was better. His comp and believing what his eyes

748
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 9: were telling him off the bat was way better. There

749
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 9: were times in his first year that he saw it,

750
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 9: but he didn't trust it, and so there was like

751
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 9: a hesitation behind it that was gone last year. And

752
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 9: you know, I hope this year he gets more, assuming

753
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 9: that he's gonna keep getting better, that he gets more

754
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 9: recognition defensively, because again, the kid can play.

755
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 7: He is.

756
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 9: What you probably would write up in the definition of

757
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 9: someone of a ballplayer, right like this dude just eats drinks,

758
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 9: you know, you know what he is all about baseball,

759
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 9: and I think his his his defense flew under the

760
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 9: radar last year.

761
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 8: I think Toddy speaks for himself. We don't need to

762
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 8: go there.

763
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 9: Ramona has a great arm, but he gets a little

764
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 9: get a little fuzzy in the outfield at times, but

765
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 9: he makes the play, which is ultimately what you put the.

766
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 8: Pitchers want and what keeps everybody half.

767
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 9: So in terms of playing defense in aos all right,

768
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 9: in NLS, you got a bunch of different types of ballparks, right,

769
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 9: I think San Francis is the hardest ballpark to play

770
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 9: outfield defense in all of baseball. The constant swirling of

771
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 9: the of the wind, never quite really knowing which way

772
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 9: it's actually going, that's the toughest one. Arizona's probably the easiest.

773
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 9: You know, they closed that roof. For a guy who

774
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 9: can run in a big outsfield, you want nothing more

775
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 9: than be able to run up underneath the ball and

776
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 9: make yourself look good.

777
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 8: So I think that's one of the easiest. You got two.

778
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 8: I think neutral.

779
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 9: Spots in San Diego in La not a whole lot

780
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 9: to playing, at least playing centerfield. Right fields a little

781
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 9: more difficult. You got the bigger wall over there in Pectco.

782
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 9: But you know, all in all, I think outside of

783
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 9: outside of San Francisco and Colorado, where you're you're playing

784
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 9: huge outfield with altitude. In the Colorado I think it's

785
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 9: still one of the more fun divisions to play outfield in.

786
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: Craig Stammon is the manager. We just talked to Trevor,

787
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: who's a former relief pitcher, right, so birds of a feather.

788
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: So to speak.

789
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: But when you got to San Diego, Buddy Black was

790
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: the manager pitcher and there's not a long history of

791
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: pitchers and managers, right, everybody knows Tommy Lesorida, Roger, Craig.

792
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: Buddy Black certainly would be on the list on a

793
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: short list of former pictures becoming successful managers.

794
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: What did you think when you got here?

795
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: I know there was probably some history with Buddy, so

796
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, everybody knows who he is.

797
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: And people like him.

798
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: But just like strictly in terms of you being a

799
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: position player and now you're playing for a manager who's

800
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: a former pitcher, what were going through your mind when

801
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: you met in San Diego and that was the case,

802
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: you know what, I.

803
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 9: Knew Buddy a little bit, so I didn't have like

804
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 9: a crazy, you know, relationship with him, and so when

805
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 9: I arrived I didn't really know what to expect. I

806
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 9: was coming from playing under Ned Yos who was a

807
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 9: former catcher Ken Macha, who you know, my experience with

808
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 9: him wasn't wasn't great, and so I didn't really have

809
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 9: any expectations. When I got all I wanted to do

810
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 9: was have a chance to play.

811
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 8: And so Buddy for me was you.

812
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 9: Know, he's he's he's probably my top guy. Like that

813
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 9: was the guy who gave me the opportunity to play.

814
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 9: And I just loved his managerial style. You know, he

815
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 9: wasn't like he get in your face if he needed to,

816
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 9: but that really wasn't like his deal like he had

817
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 9: conversations with all I used to One of the things

818
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 9: I used to love is watching him come over to

819
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 9: a starting pitcher and even if you know John Garland

820
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 9: had gone seven of shutty or Kevin Krab gone seven

821
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 9: shutty and he was getting ready to take him out,

822
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 9: watching his interaction with these guys always tackled me. I

823
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 9: always got a kick out of watching him take a

824
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 9: guy out even though he knew that guy didn't want.

825
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 8: To come out. But I, for me, managers, whether you were.

826
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 9: Catch for or a pitcher, I didn't necessarily see a

827
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 9: benefit in terms of manager of how you managed the game.

828
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 9: All the managers I played for, for the most part,

829
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 9: I thoroughly enjoyed, and they knew baseball well.

830
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 8: But knowing baseball and.

831
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 9: Being able to manage a game in real time is

832
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 9: not the same thing. Outside of Buddy, my next two

833
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 9: managers after that were all in their first year managing,

834
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 9: you know Don Mattingly in LA and then you know

835
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 9: the Lake Ryan Sandberg in Philly, both in their first years.

836
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 9: And watching a manager in his first year versus a

837
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 9: manager that had some years under his belt, there's definitely

838
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 9: there's definitely something there. And the thing I love and

839
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 9: respect about Stam is he recognizes that and because he's

840
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 9: gonna lean on his staff the way we've seen him,

841
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 9: I don't know that some of those shortcomings.

842
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 8: For the other two managers, who you know, one should

843
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 8: be a Hall.

844
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 9: Of famer, one is a Hall of Famer, may have

845
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 9: been a little bit different in their approach in kind

846
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 9: of relying on their staff, you know what I'm saying.

847
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 9: So it'll be I think that's where Stan probably has

848
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 9: an advantage over the other two first year managers I

849
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 9: played for, As I think he kind of comes in

850
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 9: knowing I'm gonna need to lean on Lublin, I'm gonna

851
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 9: need to lean on bid Fritz, I'm gonna need to

852
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 9: lean on Steve and Our I need lee on Ryan Gohones,

853
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 9: who's handling the the infield like he's not afraid to

854
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 9: empower those guys to to be able to help him

855
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 9: be a better manager.

856
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 5: In the end, maybe maybe the NLS will come down

857
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 5: to which team employees the best special assistant, whether it's

858
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 5: you know, Bruce Bochie with Buster Posey in San Francisco

859
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 5: or the padres with with Buddy Black. So we shall

860
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 5: see t you're're awesome. But before I before we let

861
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 5: you go, my last thing, our Aztecs did not make

862
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: it in the tournament this year? Will you join Darren

863
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 5: and rooting against Duke this weekend wagon, I root.

864
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 8: With again to do every opportunity tunity.

865
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: I get so like a good American should.

866
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 9: This is light work right here, and I think Saint

867
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 9: Joss has a really good chance.

868
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 8: To pull it off.

869
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 10: I'm uncomfortable with all the nice things that are being

870
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 10: said about I'm not quite believing that the program is

871
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 10: actually actually better, But I'll take it anyway I can tequin.

872
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: It is always our pleasure. You're the best. Thank you

873
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: very much. We look forward to listening to you on

874
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: the Potters Flagship on The Potteri's Radio network all season long.

875
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking time to join us here on Fire Territory.

876
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 8: Darren Marty, always a pleasure. Thank you guys for having me.

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