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This is 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.160 so you're going to tell them about our So we're special. Yeah. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.800 So we're in the month of October now, welcome. And 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.520 historically what we do is we kind of pick a 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.320 theme for the month of October because I don't know, Halloween, 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.039 unsolved mysteries, it makes sense. This year we decided to 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.800 Last year we did murders really really. This year we 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.800 decided to do what we're calling Thinking Sideways is Most Wanted, 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:26.120 where we actually did a poll for all of our 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:31.080 social media users and they all voted. Um, we made 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.800 a list of the fifteen most something like that, some 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.800 number of the most requested unsolved mysteries that we get, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.280 and then we had people vote on the ones that 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.560 they wanted the most. So we've taken the top I 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:47.200 think five, five or six something. That depends on exactly 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.960 how it susses out. We are still negotiating how long 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.400 some of them are going to be. Don't don't bother 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.640 to go find the Lincoln vote, guys. Voting is already 0:01:55.640 --> 0:02:01.440 closely comes out. Yeah, but we're going to do the 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.960 fourth runner up today and then you know, Halloween Special 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:11.440 will be the first most requested, most voted one twill indeed. Yeah, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.680 So stay tuned. It's going to be fun series. This 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.679 is our fourth runner up and today we're going to 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.720 talk about the Springfield three. Indeed. Ready, Okay, I'm ready. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:28.079 On June six, Susie Streeter and Stacy McCall were celebrating 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.240 their high school graduation. One of them was eighteen, the 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:35.320 other was nineteen. The school had offered a non drinking 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.800 grad night. Did you guys have that? We did too? Yeah, 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:45.840 where they well you're probably too old a underage, k Yeah, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.240 there was no such thing as underage drinking at that point. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:56.840 It um. So if you're unfamiliar with this concept, basically 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.840 what it is is it's like a big old party 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.200 night Ours was casino themed. We did it at a 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.760 water park, but they didn't they wouldn't tell you where 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.120 it was. They just it was just a surprise. The 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:11.480 school put it on um for us. At least they didn't. Yeah, 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.040 they didn't tell us where we were going. They just 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.200 said pack a swimsuit and a change of clothes and 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:17.720 a couple of the things, and you write it in 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.560 a you know, in a bag, and you hand your 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.680 bag over and they take you to the place and 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.919 you're locked in all night. Shut in. Yeah, it's a 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.760 shut in basically, and it's a fun party as long 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.160 as you're lame like me and didn't drink in high 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.440 school and like thought that hanging out was really fun. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.080 Yeah it was. It was. It was was just hanging 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.320 out in the gymnasium. Yeah that sounds awful. Yeah, that 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.440 the local water park that you guys know, the indoor 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.600 water park very close to here. Um, And they also 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.440 set up a bunch of casino tables and they had 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.200 like a mechanical bowl and it was really fun, but 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.880 also like there was yeah. Yeah. So anyway, the story 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.760 not about that. The story is about the fact that 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.400 Susie and Stacy decided that sounds lame, we don't want 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.080 to do the shut in thing, because I think that 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:09.560 was going to be in their jam, wasn't I think 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:10.800 it was. It sounded like it was going to be 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.000 a lame one, like like Steve's yeah we grat I 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.720 graduated in this right around the same time as these two. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.440 So the shut ins were kind of a new idea, 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.479 but nobody figure out how to make an enticing yeah. Yeah, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.840 So they and a group of friends, it wasn't just 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.679 these two girls decided they would not do the shut 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.720 in and they would do their own party. And there 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.440 were a series of parties involving alcohol that were half 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.800 high school graduation. Of course there is of course. Yeah, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.760 they decided water park theme apparently, So this group of 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.440 friends decided that on Sunday, which was the next day, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.080 the seventh, they would all go to the water a 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.200 water park that was kind of close, but it was 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.520 kind of a longer drive, like a half hour drive 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.320 or something. Yeah, but they were Their plan was they 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.000 were going to drive there and to a motel that 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.120 was close to the water park that night. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.040 the sixth and stay there. The whole group was going 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.320 to do that and then they would just go to 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.520 the water park the next morning. That was the plan, 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.520 but the parents weren't too enthusiast. Yeah, well, as you 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:16.840 can imagine, right, you're underage, it's late, you've been celebrating 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.440 with drinks, whether we told you you could or not, 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.320 and now you're gonna get into a bunch of cars 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.120 and drive on the freeway. Yeah. And you know, none 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.840 of I've listened to a fair number of interviews with 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.719 parents that were involved in this whole situation, and none 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.440 of them seemed to you know, they all kind of 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.919 seemed to be understanding and okay with the fact that 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.920 the kids were going to drink, and really their their 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.960 concern was like, hey, maybe don't go drive for a 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.440 long time after you've been drinking, not like, hey, don't drink. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.320 So they decided instead of going to the hotel, they 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.000 would stay with their friend Janelle, who was also a 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.520 part of this party. She was a senior. She was 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.719 also a senior. Yeah, so they got to her house 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.880 after one of the parties. But it turned out I 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.719 don't know why Janelle didn't know this, but apparently she didn't. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.280 But it turned out that all of her extended family 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.320 was staying for the graduation. They were all from some 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.680 of the another yeah, so they were visiting, so they 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.039 were all staying there. So the house was pretty full, 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.640 and you know, the girls could have just slept on 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:19.320 the floor, but Susie's mom lived pretty close by and 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.279 she was a she was a single mom, so it 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.040 was just her at the house, and you know, there 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.920 was plenty of rooms. So Susie said, you know what, 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:27.920 Stacy and I are going to go. We're going to 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:29.800 drive back to my mom's house and we're gonna stay 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:31.680 there tonight. And her mom's name was Cheryl, and her 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.080 mom's name was Cheryl. So we've got Susie, Stacy, and Cheryl. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.599 This is You've got to kind of keep these straight, guys, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.279 because it is if you don't, if you're not reading 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.960 it constantly, it will get a little confusing. Because we've 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:49.799 got so it's it's Susie Streeter and her mom Cheryl, 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:56.040 and then the other girl is Stacy Call and she's 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.560 the friend. There's gonna be a lot of name dropping. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.080 So I just want to try and lay some I 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.679 work for folk because I read two or three articles 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:07.720 and then went, wait, what which one And especially when 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.840 you get with the with the daughters, it was the 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.119 daughter and the friend. I can they all have different 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.040 last names? Yeah? That was the other part. Daughters in 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.160 this story don't have the same last name, which makes 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:22.280 it tough. Yeah, although SUSY's brother does have the same 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.400 last name as herr. Yeah, that was the only consistent 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.520 was the only one. So so I'm sorry I interrupted. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.600 So they're they're they're going to Cheryl's house. So they're 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.520 going to Cheryl's house. Yeah, uh, And they drive separately. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.920 They have both have their cars wherever they were, so 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.760 they decided to drive separately over to Cheryl's house. And 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.080 they called Cheryl out about like ten thirty that night 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.960 to say, hey, we actually decided we're going to come 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.680 back there after we're done partying. Okay, but they continued 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.800 to be out partying for a while after that. You 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.560 look confused. Well, no, what I'm what, I'm trying to 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.640 reconcile and maybe you can help me get a beat 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:01.560 on this is I know that Stacy called her mom 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.800 and told her mom that she was going to be 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:08.720 staying at what's the Janelle's house, so she hadn't she 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.960 didn't know about this change of plans. And so I'm 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.760 just trying to figure out, did they all plan to 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:16.840 do that and she just didn't call her mom or 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:18.920 do you have a good sense of it? I think 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.240 I don't think it was a plan necessarily, I think, 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:24.960 you know, and I don't know. I think it just happened, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.280 and you know, and the reading that I saw it 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.960 did say that Susie called her mom to discuss the plans, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:33.800 although I guess now that I think about it, didn't 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.760 clarify what plans they were talking about. So it could 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.480 have been the change of plans from the motel to 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.079 Jannelle's house, and that she never they just showed up 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:44.040 at Cheryl's house. At the teenage girls and the teenagers, 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.800 I shouldn't say girls are teenagers, they're they're prone to 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:51.000 just erratically changing play and and everybody please do keep 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:55.760 in mind this is pre cell phone. Yeah, two, So 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.040 they weren't gonna just text mom and be like, Okay, 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.040 we're coming over now. Act really just kidding. Yeah, you 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.800 can't send her an email because it's you know, four 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:09.000 K modem or whatever. They were. Yeah, and they actually 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.480 and the girls didn't arrive at Cheryl's house until like 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.600 to fifteen is what they guess, Am. So I would 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.880 suspect that the plans kind of change. Everyone is asleep 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.640 at Janelle's house and they didn't want to wake anybody 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.520 up using the phone, so they just headed over there. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.440 But they drove separate cars. Cheryl had been home all evening. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:31.400 She was reportedly refinishing a dresser. That's according to a friend. 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.640 She spoke to a friend on the phone at like 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.680 eleven fifteen PM who said she was talking about the 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.640 project she was working on, which was refinishing a dresser. 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.800 And that's like the last confirmed anything we know about 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.240 them at all. All three three, all three not a 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:55.280 clue left behind. No. Essentially, sometime between two fifteen am 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.480 and eight am, these three women just vanished, basically, I 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.719 mean really the evaporated. Yeah, for for all anybody can tell, 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.199 they were just raptured clothes and all. Seriously, I mean, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.800 like that's they just disappeared. So when when the raptor comes, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.320 you don't get to take your purse with you, I 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:18.360 don't think so. Yeah, So Janelle, when Stacy and Susie 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.160 left Janelle's house, she said, all right, you know what, 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.599 just call me in the morning, like eight am. Like 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.679 let's wake up at eight um. You know, I think 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.880 the water park opened at like nine or something. So 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.560 they're like, yeah, you know what, call me at eight um. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.200 We'll figure out who's driving all of that stuff and 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.160 then we'll just go from there. So she was expecting 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.000 to hear from them at eight am sometime in the morning. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.800 I mean, they're they're teenage kids. They sleep in. They 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.960 did until two in the morning. Yeah, I don't if 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:44.760 I'm up till two in the morning, I don't get 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.800 a bit eight am. But I think I did when 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.520 I was eighteen, especially if I was excited about something. Okay. Yeah, Anyway, 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.440 she doesn't hear from them, and she just calls the house, 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.480 and I think it was reported to be pretty close 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.640 to eight you know. She seemed she was kind of, 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:02.679 you know, ready to go and a little annoyed that 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.280 they hadn't called her yet. So she called them, and 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.200 she called a couple of times and there was no answer, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.520 and so she called her boyfriend to come pick her 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.920 up um and drive her over to Cheryl's house. When 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.520 they got there, all three of the cars because Susie 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.600 had her own car, Stacy had her own car, and 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.080 then Cheryl had our car. Um. All three of the 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.240 cars were parked outside when they walked onto the porch 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.440 and they noticed there was broken glass on the porch. 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.520 And now said that she noticed that the dome light 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.960 on the porch, the globe glass globe, Yeah, that it 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.840 was broken, Yeah, it was. It was it. I could 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.120 never because you see the recreations and I've seen the 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.800 picture of the house. It's actually a globe though, right. 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.760 I know that sounds dumb to ask, but the domes 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.720 or as we refer to him, the boob lights are 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.280 always in the actual ceiling. So that makes a difference 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.679 in terms of an actual globe. Okay, they know, I 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.480 don't think they make the as you so absolutely put 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:04.320 a boob lights as porch lights usually yeah. Much, Yeah, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.760 because it's too much wiring to have. I don't know 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:15.960 I'm making that up. Nobody pleased. Yeah, we'll survey. So Janelle, 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.880 being a good friend and neighbor, thinks, oh that's not good. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.920 I'll sweep that up. I think her boyfriend swept it up. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:24.840 I think her boyfriend did, but one of the two 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.400 of them swept up. Yeah, they swept at the glass 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.240 and threw in the trash, which is is really nice. Um, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:35.400 and later on the police were helpless to that in 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.839 a second. So it was nice of them. And they 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.040 just figured, oh, well, the girls are still asleep. They 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.640 knocked or you know, Janelle and her boyfriend knocked a 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.360 couple of times and they didn't hear response, and they figured, oh, well, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.679 they're just still asleep. Better going and you know, wake 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.160 him up. And the door was unlocked. It was closed, 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:55.199 but it was unlocked, and they went in and genuinely 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.840 didn't think anything was wrong. Um, you know, all of 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.439 their stuff was there, their purses, all three of the 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.480 women had purses there, and then um, Susie and Cheryl 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.000 both were smokers, and they both of their packs of 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:14.360 cigarettes were there, and car keys everything. Uh, the dog 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.720 named Cinnamon, which was reportedly agitated but not I mean, 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.160 not harmed or anything and probably just hungry. Yeah, probably, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.760 So they went in and um, Janelle reported that it 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.360 looked like um, both the beds, Susie and Cheryl's beds 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.040 had been slept. In course, that doesn't necessarily mean anything, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:37.280 because a lot of people that's true. Yeah, so that 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.880 doesn't really mean a whole lot um. But she didn't 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.560 really know what was going on, so she just started 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.840 to leave the house. They were like, all right, I 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.400 guess they just went to the water park without us, 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.880 without any of their stuff. Um. And right as Janelle 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.600 was leaving, the phone rang and she answered it because 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.920 I guess she thought maybe. I don't know why she answered, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.320 so would you answer somebody else's phone in their house, 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.760 I don't know if they're not home, not actually, because 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.680 I mean she's wondering what happened, and she's thinking maybe 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.360 somebody's maybe it's Susie calling. Well, I don't know why 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.160 Susie would call, because she wouldn't expect Janelle to be there. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.360 But you know, maybe it was like a brother saying like, 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.520 you know, because she did have a brother, you know, 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.280 maybe it was the brother saying like, oh I just 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.280 wanted to check. Oh yeah, and they were going to 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.520 do this thing. You know, I get Okay, I don't 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.400 know it is. I agree, it's weird to me too, 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.600 but that's what happened. She answered the phone and on 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.760 the other end was a male voice just saying lud 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.320 pervy comments to her, And so she hung up the 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.240 phone and it rang again and it was the same 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.120 person saying the same sort of stuff. You know, the caller, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:55.440 I d has eliminated that one thing from our society 0:14:55.480 --> 0:15:00.600 of nothing else. Star star whatever it is are six 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.000 nine is the like re dial. But yeah, there's the 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.320 one to block your number. But they're good enough and 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.400 picking those things up. That almost never happens anymore. Yeah, 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:12.600 which is pretty great. I was getting all the time. Yeah, 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.800 it was awful. No, so Janelle and her boyfriend laughed 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.960 after the two weird creepy pervy calls. They didn't feed 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.520 the dog, I don't. She didn't say anything about feeding 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:26.720 the dog. She also didn't report them missing because yeah, 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.840 she thought were Yeah, I mean, I guess on the 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.480 one hand, right, but I would like I probably would 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.400 have like told my mom or somebody. I would have 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.640 told somebody, Oh, yeah, it was weird. They weren't there. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.720 They're like those mean girls. They left, but like it 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.760 was weird. Their cars and their purses were there, So 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.920 like she may very well have done that maybe and 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.480 whoever she said it to just didn't you know. I mean, 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.640 this is a very innocuous thing. I went over to 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.120 somebody's house. They weren't there, like they told me they 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:01.760 were gonna be. How familiar to this? Yeah, it happens 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.000 all the time, I guess, like for me, and probably 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.479 it's because I come from this like unsolved mystery headspace. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.520 But like the glass was broken, the door was unlocked, 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.760 the dog was mad, their stuff was all there, they weren't. 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.400 I would be like, Wow, there's lots of weird little 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.600 red flags here. Maybe you know you're from the cell 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:23.000 phone generation where you're in contact all the time. I 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.440 think Joe might be in the same boat. I've gone 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.960 over to people's house pretty cell phone. I was supposed 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.880 to meet him at two o'clock or whatever. Knock on 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.480 the door and they're not there, And you sit in 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.600 your car and you wait for five minutes. Then you 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.120 wander around the house and you don't go into the 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.520 house and see that all their stuff is there though, no, no, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.040 see that's but that's the thing is, I would never 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.840 have just wandered unless it was a house that I 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:50.600 went into on a regular basis, And maybe Janelle did maybe, yeah, 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.800 she might have been very familiar with the mom and yeah, yeah, well, 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.360 I guess that brings up a bit of a point um, 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.320 the fact that their cigarettes were there. Cheryl's son, Slash, 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.119 Susie's brother, describes his mom as the kind of chain 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.560 smoker who wouldn't leave a pack in a room when 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.440 she left the room. She always had him with her. Yeah, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.280 so if Janelle knew, she might not have known that. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.040 I don't know. Yeah, maybe i'd be hard to not know. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:21.639 Count mom ever were such a that's true, that's true. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.320 So okay, after this, Janelle and her boyfriend go to 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.080 the water park. The girls aren't there, but I guess 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:33.080 she doesn't think anything of it. And Stacy McCall's mom 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.959 was expecting a call from her daughter in the morning, 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.000 and she knew that she was supposed to be a 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.840 Janelle's house, so she called Janelle's house and Janelle's sister 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.119 answered and said, oh no, no, they stayed at Susie's 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.040 house last night, and she was kind of annoyed, but 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.960 she believe she was going to buy like a wedding 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.679 dress or something with her other daughter. There was some 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.080 big appointment that she had to keep. So she thought, 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.120 all right, well, I don't know the phone number over there, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.560 so I'll just swing by after. Did she know where 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.560 they actually lived? She I think she got the address 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.240 from Janelle Jane's sister because they knew she didn't have 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.960 the phone number because they just recently moved into that house. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.359 She got the she got the address somewhere somehow because 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.480 she later went by the house. This was like eight 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.800 or nine. No, no, no no, I'm sorry. This was more 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:20.919 than twelve hours after they had left. It was in 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.560 the afternoon, and they don't know what time, to be honest. 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.119 So she went to the house and she also found 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.320 the door to be unlocked, and also found all the 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.800 cars there. And she says that when she went in, 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:39.120 the TV was turned on to like fuzzy white noise. Yeah, 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.760 just like white noise. And she said that she had 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.800 a really weird, eerie feeling about the whole situation. She 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.200 also saw that there were messages on the message machine. 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:55.320 So she yeah, although at this point, like, if you 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.080 haven't heard from your daughter in a really, really, really 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.920 long time, that's a long time to not hear from 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.720 your daughter after a night of drinking, I think, But 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:08.760 so she listens to the messages, and I think there 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.480 was just the one. There was several, but I don't 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.159 I don't know that we have an exact number because 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.480 she didn't remember. She didn't remember, she didn't remember what 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:22.080 the content of the messages was. She didn't There was 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.840 one message that she remembered being really really suspicious. It 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:32.320 was a male voice who was saying, I think things again. Probably, 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:37.919 she said she didn't remember, and also, oops, she deleted 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:44.280 the message. Oops. So the cops just to like head 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.640 all of your screaming nightmare sounds off. The cops are 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.080 very sure that that was probably a pretty important clue. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.240 It could have been. Any clue that you lose is 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.120 important because if it's not there anymore, you spend so 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.800 many man hours trying to change sit down. So regardless 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.840 of if it actually was worth a damn, it was important. 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.560 It's it kind of just been just some some pranks 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:15.800 there again, some jerk Stacy. Stacy McCall's mom was worried, 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.760 so she decided to go to the the police. She hadn't 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.480 heard from her daughter. She felt really weird in the house. 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.600 She heard a weird message, so she went to the 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.960 police and reported the missing, and the police of later 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.359 since revealed kind of another big problem with this case 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.960 is that apparently anywhere between ten and twenty people came 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:40.240 to the house looking for Cheryl and Stacy and Susie 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.280 and let themselves in and walked around contaminated, the contaminated 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.479 the whole thing. It's it's little things like um in 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.720 Susie's room, apparently the blinds the not the blinds, the 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.560 curtains were open a little bit like somebody was peeking out, 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.840 which I think would be a very interesting clue if 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.400 we could know that Stacy had done it, or Susie 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.040 I'm sorry, see I'm doing it already. If we knew that, 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.160 if we knew that one of the three women had 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:08.560 done that, it would be interesting to know because it 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.199 would at least mean that, oh, there was something that 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.040 had happened outside the house. But the other hard part 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:18.480 here is that there's the dog. Yeah, it could have been. 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.800 The sense that I had was that it was more 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.399 than just a dog, like shoving his face into the 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.200 you know, it parted a little at the top. Oh see, 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:27.679 I got that when when I heard the way it 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:29.800 was described, or read the way it was described, I 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.440 got the idea that it was, you know, maybe a slit. 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.600 It was about a foot or so tall. Interesting and 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.320 just a little bit open, because to me that insinuates 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:41.240 peaking when you're barely pushing them open so you can 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.280 see out, but nobody realizes you're doing it, which is 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:49.439 how cats and dogs leave curtains when they're done watching outside. 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.840 That's fair. I hadn't thought of that. It could just 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.800 be a case of sloppy curtain clothing, which is rampant 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.919