WEBVTT - Some Time With... Lydia Cornell! (Part 2) 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.919 Welcome to part two of our interview with Lydia Cornell. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:23.360 If you haven't listened to part one yet, go back 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.439 and listen to that first, because trust us, you do 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.240 not want to miss a second of this. Please welcome 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.559 back to the pod the Extraordinary Lydia Cornell. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.159 What are some of the things. I mean, you're an 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.720 actor and you've directed and writing and teaching and mentoring 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.440 and public speaking and all of these things. What would 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.160 you say is one of the things professionally and personally 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:46.839 that you are most proud of? 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.199 Oh, well, personally as my son. I didn't know. 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.519 I wish i'd known sooner. How the joy of children. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:55.400 I mean, I'm gaga right now with your. 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.800 Grandchildren that my boyfriend, Oh, I'm a weirdo. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.720 I went to trade yours and started making strangers babies smile. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.479 I went from oh, yeah, they're like. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.520 It was really sweet. I mean, having a new grandchild. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.520 And so Jack, my son is really happy. He doesn't drink, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.440 he's got a really nice girlfriend. But they don't call me, 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:18.319 and I'm like, I. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.400 Miss I wish I had more kids. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.080 I know, I know, And I'm also very politically liberal, 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.760 so it's not like you know, I'm running around going 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:27.880 everybody should have kids. 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:29.400 It is sort of a bone. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.080 Of contention right now. I think everyone should have the 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.280 choice to do what they need to do though with their. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:38.600 Own Yeah, but that was like wow, that was the. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:40.839 Beginning of my real journey in life where I grew 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:45.280 up becoming a mother. I'm not being selfish, letting go. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:47.560 I have some wild Hollywood stories. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.760 I mean, I was in the eighties. They sent us 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.440 to Manti Carlo three summers in a row. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.160 I'm, you know, with Prince Albert and James Bond, the 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:56.200 two James Bonds. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.360 And I don't know that I was going to say, 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.040 I don't know that there's Yeah, I know that doesn't 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.760 sound they don't do that any yet. Yeah, no, no, 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.840 the world professionally, Yeah, I didn't make it as far 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.080 as money Carlo, but I definitely was an ass in 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:13.800 the LA area. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.240 Yeah, all over the world. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.440 Yeah, I didn't have to travel far. I managed to 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:20.320 do it right here at home. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:25.480 But I had a really wild, crazy, insane Yeah. And luckily, 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:27.919 good news is I never got I have a couple 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.440 of meet too stories. But I don't want to ruining 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:34.160 human's life right now. But I have to say there 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.920 was an agent. The first agent I met before I 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.839 even got the series, pulled his pants off in front 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:40.040 of me. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.160 It was a big, famous agency, and I thought it 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.120 was just a rare event. I won't mention his name. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.880 But another woman in a nineties start six months ago, 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.480 my boyfriend's telling her the story, and she said, Lydia 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.200 never says his name. She goes oh with it. It 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.240 happened to her too, twenty years later. What these things 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.080 happened back in those days. In the eighties, It felt 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.200 as if they used to make posters of me in 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.680 a bikini, and I was on all fours for ABC Network, 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:11.160 they had bikini posters. TED would be very upset over them, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.800 but remote to show. They would use one of the 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.200 women as a sex in almost every show not in 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:17.720 your era. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.760 I think it ended well. 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.280 Not on our show in particular. We had I mean 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.240 we had sort of the first season, uh we you know, 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.640 had Jesse. The first couple of seasons had had quite 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.560 a few women coming through that were sort of the 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.960 perceived sex symbol of the episode or whatever. But I 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.400 think because it was more of a family show, we 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.840 didn't necessarily have that. We had kind of like John 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.400 as the heart throb, so we had like the more 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.640 the male heart throb of the thing. But but it 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.560 wasn't like that, but I definitely know that was that 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:54.040 was it. It was like you were sort of the 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.040 sacrificial landlight. Well you're cute, so you're gonna that You're 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.520 gonna just be the the mostly naked one, and we're 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.720 you know, just gonna like and it's I mean, it is, 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:08.320 it's it's so much has changed in this industry and 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:12.520 so much has not right right, and you know, I uh, 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:19.760 certain convictions being overturned. But I but you know, I 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:25.480 I think that women like you and like the women 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.159 that spoke out in these movements talking about like this 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.400 is this is what it was, and this is what 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.920 we were like, this is what was common and what 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.960 we were expect, what was expected of who of what 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:38.800 you were. It was just that was it. Well, if 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.800 you're on a TV show then and you're cute, then 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.760 you're just going to be. There's no we can say 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:44.560 whatever we want. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.560 And the worst thing is that when he did this 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.920 this agent, instead of being offended, I didn't want to 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.640 hurt his egos, so I giggled. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.200 And sort of twirled out of the room like, oh, 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:53.679 I left. 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.719 My heats in the cards. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:58.880 That's what we're taught. Don't offend the. 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:03.039 Right it well, yeah, as women were taught, don't offend. 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:07.599 And it's also terrifying and in that moment you people 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.880 don't think about the fact that you go ah, yeah 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.400 and you either freeze flight or There's also what women 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.400 are taught, which is fun, which is usually when women 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.920 are faced with some sort of like you know, attack 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.040 or something that we find inappropriate or things like that, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.240 often we are taught as women to be like, oh 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.120 and make that person comfortable because now we have since 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.159 we're in a dangerous situation, and so you know, speaking 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.400 out about those things like and talking about the stuff 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.320 that we that you know, like it's there is no 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.240 one answer to it or how you handle that sort 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.440 of situation, but the fact that we can now talk 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.120 about it more openly and that you know, uh, hopefully 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:57.280 this idea of sort of unfettered patriarchy within this business 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.800 has shifted a little bit. And I think, you know, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:05.800 with women with women telling stories written by created by 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:07.880 directed by women, I mean that was I think one 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.719 of the things we were really proud about with Fuller 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.880 House too, was that with it being based on Steph 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.640 and DJ and Kimmy as adult women, we had the 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:26.880 capacity to include some really interesting female oriented storylines about relationships, parenting, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.599 and IVF and you know, all of those things that 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.320 we got to cover that were really, really great. And 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.480 one of the things that you that you wrote is 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:43.080 a screenplay called Venus Conspiracy and Deborah van Volckenberg is 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.800 in it. But the logline reads, all human suffering is 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.239 caused by Victoria's secret and. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.320 I love that. I love that so much. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.800 Or you could replace it with Brandy Melville now you 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.080 know whatever that just rotate that out. But the story 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.720 involves uncovering a diabolical plot to keep women thin and 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.080 miserable for profit. So I would love to hear I mean, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.360 I can imagine what inspired this screenplay, which is just 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.480 life and being a woman in the world, but it's 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.000 just so awesome. I love hearing about it. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.240 Yeah, I'd love to get you in the sore. Here's 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.200 what happened for something, You'll tell you what inspired it. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.880 In my first movie before I got Tea who Us 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.320 for Comfort, I got Tooose for Comfort, and then I 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.800 got this movie in the Greek Isles with three Oscar 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:34.960 with three legends, James Old Jones, Jose Ferrera and Lela Kendrova. 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:36.920 Oh wow, James ol Jones has just come off The 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.480 Great White Hope. He's a Tony Award winner and he 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.360 hadn't done Darth Vader yet. But he was a gentleman 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.120 and he brought his wife to the We were in 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:48.800 nine weeks in the Greek Isles in a Byzantine monastery 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:53.120 called Monembasia. It's a kind of a Dismith smooth or 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:57.240 tiny anyway, it's not quite an island. But and then 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.400 Martin Cove was in it, and Deborah Shelton and Mary 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.880 Louise Well and I had to wear a white bikini 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.440 the whole time, and there was a scene where they 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.520 wanted me to drown and. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:07.440 Take off my top. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.200 I refused to do nudity. I just didn't want to 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.400 do it. I knew one day and my kids would see. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:13.240 It, and I just didn't want to do it. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.160 Oh yeah, So they. 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.320 Tried to calm me into it. My sag union wasn't 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:18.800 on the set. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.160 We were way, you know, way on an island, right, 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.480 and my manager wasn't there, and the director said, can 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.040 you just pull your top off and we'll get you 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.000 running into the ocean where you're going to drown. This 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:32.960 is after you know, I had to go swim out 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:33.520 about a mile. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:34.800 You got a drown with your boobs. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:36.959 I felt, well, I don't. 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.559 Want my front showing. He said, just the back will 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.920 be showing. And there's an underwater scuba diver camera and 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.120 they have to catch me, you know. And so I thought, well, 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.199 they're trying to trick me. So I had to out 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.480 with them. So I went to the ward of lady. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.880 We only spoke she only swelled Greek, and there's a 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.079 big rock. We're hiding behind the rock with a dressing 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.640 room wood and we couldn't speak the same language. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.680 But through lots of hand gesturing, she realized. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.960 Oh, we're gonna I'll cover you with zinc ox side 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.839 white grease paint which is waterproof. Yeah. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.200 Yeah, And we swee out. 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.280 Witted these people and it was amazing. Nico Master rockets 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:11.439 and all the producers were. 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.840 Like they couldn't use any of the breast footage. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.960 So like, yes, I run into the ocean, Yeah, pop 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:19.360 off in the back. 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:20.880 It's naked. You know, you can see the movie. 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.400 It's right right, but the front it's like, you know, 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.360 the lifeguard knows was just white. You can't see it's 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.199 like clay makeup. Yeah, so that's brilliant. 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.120 My big, first, big incident of having to like really 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.839 stand up for my own rights, you know, even though 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.360 the film was a wonderful thing to do. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.040 I love that movie. We had a great time on 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:38.440 the set. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.880 Then I come to La and I ever von Valckenberg 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.360 because it's the part as my sister. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.040 She was a Broadway actress. 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:49.880 She'd also hired, sorry hired to do a movie of 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.000 the Week for Chuck Freeze Productions out here, and they 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.120 fired her the minute they saw her because she had 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.240 gained five pounds, and they said, we're not only firing you, 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.080 we're gonna sue your agent for the weight game. And 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.040 I what, this can't be possible. That was the seed 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:07.760 of the beginning of me riding the screen flight. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.880 Yeah, I was gonna say. I seemed to her like 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.079 that was like a thing. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.160 Wow, you was skinny, and it was there's no way 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.120 this could be even true. So I started thinking about it, 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.679 and then when I got sober, this movie came out 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.199 of me fully formed because I've been. It opens in 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.319 Pompeii with the goddess Venus, and we're missing her head 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.400 the sculpture, and it's like this really mystical opening, and 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:34.480 then we're hurled into living day Pompeii and the ad 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.600 buyer in a toga is buying the statue of Venus 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.320 and he goes, she's too thin. Add more to the waist, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.760 and then we cut to the ninety has to start 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.959 in the nineties because women are allowed to be a 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.959 little more of their own size today, right, You're allowed 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:48.280 to be yourself a bit. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.959 But yeah, yeah, when I was coming up, you were 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.040 not allowed to gain a pound. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.720 And in fact, I was told the producers yelled at 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.080 me for eating a burrito and a taco and then the 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.440 bag of Eminem's. They said, don't you know you're a symbol. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:01.560 You can't eat starch. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.840 In those days, it was called starch, right, wow. 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.800 So the food flew in the air and I went 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.280 crying to my dressing room and I remember, ooh, I 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:12.840 gotta do water pills or something. 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.040 And I wasn't blieming, but I I just start myself. 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.320 And when I turned thirty five, I remember walking into 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.400 Reuben cannons off with the casting director. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.600 And he goes, you look pretty good for an old lady. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:26.320 I was thirty five. 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.400 So you guys have no idea what the eighties were 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.320 really like if you were a second No. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:31.959 You know what I mean? 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.720 Yeah, oh it was. It's only now are we seeing 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:42.000 women be able to age past thirty and have roles 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.720 written for women who were in between right sex symbol 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:46.960 and grandma, you know. 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:47.200 What I mean. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.080 For a while, it was like once you weren't that. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:53.040 It was like, well, you're of no use to us now, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.840 thank you. Come back when you were a wrinkled raisin 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:57.640 and you know, and you're just like, what are you 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.320 talking like? There's so much and I love seeing it 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.600 now again, talking about you know, women creators and stuff 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.000 like women's lives in between all of that are so 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:12.559 layered and rich and multifaceted and fascinating. It's so nice 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.160 to see, you know. And and women like Olivia Coleman 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:24.040 and uh Melanie uh like Lynskey Yes from Yellow Jackets, 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.720 women who I think are beautiful and gorgeous and amazing 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.120 but they're but are talented and who make it fascinating 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.679 to watch the human experience, because that's what acting is, 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:35.840 and it's not like to me, I'm like, I don't 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.079 want to watch an actor just because they're attractive. In fact, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:42.479 I don't. I want to watch someone who is interesting 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.319 to look like. I want to watch an interesting human. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.240 I don't care if they're good looking or not or whatever. Like, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.920 give me an interesting human. So I love that this 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:57.640 has been such a focus of your of your career 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.200 and of your work. And like, I think off and 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:05.200 you know, people talk about, you know, they as a 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:10.040 feminist to myself, but you know, so many people talk 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.120 about that it would be impossible to be a sex 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:17.520 symbol and a feminist. And I think that people then 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.480 are greatly missing the point of what feminism is, which 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.160 is that it's all about the choice to be any 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.160 of those things and to express yourself and be whoever 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.800 and however you want to feel as a woman. And 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.600 if that's sweatpants and no bra and like no makeup 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:39.440 and never cool, if that's dolling yourself up every day 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.520 and get getting all this stuff done, cool, Yeah, that's it. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:44.679 It's all about how you want to do. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.600 It, really, and we like, you know, plastic surgery is 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.240 really something that I feel sorry for people who've had it, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:51.840 but I don't. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.640 I'm not. I would never judge them. You know. 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.920 It's like what we were kind of forced to feel 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.240 that we had to have it. I didn't tried both 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.760 talks a few times, but I thank god didn't have 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:07.760 the money during the time after my husband left, right, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.000 you know, I'm so glad because I want to be 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.199 gracefully even though I'm using on my other computer, I 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.640 use the zoom filters and all that, right, you know, 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.520 and you know it looks you're up higher. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.400 Well you're right, yeah, well angles are everything, you know, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.280 But that's but that's like the thing that and I 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.040 love seeing, you know, I have two daughters who are 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:32.120 sixteen and thirteen. Oh wow, And you know, seeing my 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:38.280 daughters like kind of dress and be more themselves and 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.840 you know, like it's it's a really exciting time I 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:46.640 think for young women. Yeah, in terms of like the 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.920 potential and the opportunity to really truly be like whatever 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:55.560 expression of female identity you want to be like that, 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.280 you know what I mean, there's kind of I love 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:01.480 that the road has widened ye considerably because because it 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.120 was you know, for women who lived through that time 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.600 of like you had to be a perfect you know, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.320 this perfect thing, like that's impossible. 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.280 God, you have no idea, And men were very disdainful. 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.640 I remember I had an audition when the oct running 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.560 director looked at me and he went, you're one of 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.160 my favorite actresses. You're very funny. I wanted to come 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.120 in and read for my pilot, and I hadn't quit drinking. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.480 My drinking career hadn't ended yet. And I brought an 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.280 entire bottle of vodka stuffed in the gym bag to 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:35.920 the CBS Lady's room executive ladies, and the genes, my 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.400 genes were so tight. I was doing stiletto heels and 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.600 it was like I walked in the room. I stumbled 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.760 into the room. I think I fell off top of 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:44.640 the casting director. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.720 I was drunk. It's horrible, but I. 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.640 Thought, seven men on a couch looking at my body 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.680 up and down, is she perfect enough? It wasn't about 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.480 the affecting That's how I felt. Right, of course, it 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.200 probably was, but it was all in my head. 0:15:59.240 --> 0:15:59.720 They were just. 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.960 Well, I would yeah, I would say probably, I'd say 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.920 you probably weren't wrong. Yeah that at nine times, you know, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.360 eight times out of ten. Particularly then it was it 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.160 was more about what you look like than who you 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:12.800 were and what you brought to a character. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.720 And this is why male executives shouldn't be the only 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.560 ones in charge, because women don't want to see perfect 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:20.360 women on TV. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:21.120 We want to see. 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.600 Ourselves reflected in the characters that we watch on TV. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.040 So I don't want to see like perfect bodies and 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.880 bombshell like, I want to see someone that looks like me, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.120 who's flawed and he has blemishes and everything. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.160 Right, but flawed both internally and externally and just human. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:39.600 I you know, like, give me, give me a photo 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.480 on Instagram that has some skin texture to it? Good God, please? Yes, 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.840 I know your skin doesn't look like that. There's your 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.240 fuzzy You look like you're made of velvet. What's wrong 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.920 with you? Stop? You know, like I'm like, am I 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.320 my eyes blurry? Why are you so velvety? 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:54.720 You know? 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.400 Like it's wild to me? Yeah, And again that's what 0:16:58.520 --> 0:16:59.920 you go for it. You want to do it, but 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.320 like also, you know, but you don't have to. You 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.640 don't have to. I think it's it's more it's it's 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.560 really this message of like learning that you can doll 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.800 it up or dress it down, but that the inherent 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.680 worth is all about the inside stuff. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.720 Oh I love it, Yes, we got that's so wonderful 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.440 that you said that. Hey, we were dogs sitting McFly. 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.280 Oh we love dogs. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.320 He's welcome to join the podcast. Dogs are welcome. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:38.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're total dog people are here. 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.880 In the movie, the woman is this, she's a Venus girl. 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.359 She represents the pharmaceutical empire called Venus, which is the 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.880 front they own everything a biotech company and they own 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.680 all this shell companies and they own like the media too, 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.640 so MTV and you know general moods and mood slings. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:59.880 It's a comedy that it's got a real plot. 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:04.199 Driven scary right, kind of like idiocracy when you're like 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.720 ahah right yeah, like yeah yeah, you're like this is hello, 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:09.879 this is true. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.000 And they catch her she's supposed to be a size 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:16.160 to and they catch her like the castapo these advertising 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:20.959 sects and undercover photos, eating donuts in her car and 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.359 like they catch her and they catch her wearing a 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.800 girdle and she's like I'm giving up. She starts to 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.119 jump off the cliff where they're filming the video and 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.720 she doesn't you know, It's like you think she's gonna 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.080 she just jumps on the three feet of stand and 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.560 runs away from recruit and she discovers its plot and 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:41.320 it's all like a plotted thriller. But Marco Robie said, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.480 we're looking for the next big event movie, not Barbie. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.359 Now I have all these women's groups that want to 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.480 get the movie made. They wanted to years ago. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.400 But men looked at me like I was crazy when 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:52.680 I used to pitch this movie. 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.359 Right, and then something, how are you talking about? You're like, 0:18:55.480 --> 0:19:02.280 you're making us miserable when you're literally driving us insane, right, 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:04.960 it's crazy, right, Like. 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.720 So now it's time has come and I'm really excited. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:12.359 So what an awesome like life experience, you know what 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.199 I mean to be able to go from that like 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.359 this is you know, you have a personal experience with 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:23.720 what the world of that sort of pressure is exactly. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.439 And yeah, and then also like when you're a woman 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.119 who is also who is attractive and also smart and 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.920 also that you know all these things, it's like somehow 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.800 something has to get discredited. If you're if you're smart, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.040 you can't be pretty. If you're pretty, you can't be smart, 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:41.560 because like you don't get to have both. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.280 Well the America Pharira's speech. 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.679 You know you saw Barbie right, Oh yeah, yeah, the 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.159 America Perira's speech. I went goga because I wrote that 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:51.880 speech twenty years ago. I'm sure we all did. 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:52.720 You know. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.320 Yeah, it's impossible to be a woman and you have 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.760 to pretend to be humble or else be you know, 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.960 you can't be happy for other women, or you can't 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.240 be too happy for right. 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:03.920 You can't be too much. You have to be thin, 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.399 not enough, right, you have to be thin but not 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.040