1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Hey, 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: what's going on? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks rtt 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: louis in for DJ. Here with my man Bucky Brooks, 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: and back for another week with you Buck. Last week 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: we were talking quarterbacks and talking about the quarterbacks that 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a chance to see down at the 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: Manny Passing Academy. You were talking about the something that 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: some of them that You're going to see um at 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: the Elite eleven and so, you know, I felt like 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: this week might be a good idea to talk about 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: the evolution of the position that is maybe most affected 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: by the quarterbacks running the league, if you will, and 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: that is the cornerbacks on the other side, which you 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: did some more pore recently. Yeah, and I did. Um 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: D is crazy because corners are viewed so differently now 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: than they have been in the past, because the game 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: has changed. The game has become where where it's a 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: very past centric league, so everyone is looking for the 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: one unquote lockdown corner. The problem is there are a 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: few guys who really have the ability to kind of 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: lock down a side. Because when I think about a 22 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: lockdown or a shutdown corner. You're talking about someone who 23 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: can play man to man, play sticky man to man, 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: whether it's press, whether it's off. They do a great 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: job of being able to play without assistance from the 26 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: safety or underneath droppers, and they are able to really 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: control one side of the field. Right. You just don't 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: find many guys who have the skills to be able 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: to do that. And so you can be a premier corner, 30 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: you can be an elite corner, but not necessarily be 31 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: a lockdown corner, because sometimes your game is better suited 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: to play in a scheme that is more zone based 33 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: or required you to do other stuff as opposed to, hey, 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I got this man, I'm gonna lock them down the 35 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: entire game, right, Right, scheme dictates a lot in the 36 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: cornerback world and how you're perceived and how you're viewed. 37 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: But so the skill set, because you know, if a 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator has a guy like Jalen Ramsey like, well, 39 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: you know, let's let him do what he does best, 40 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: right and and even if that's not you know, based 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: out of the the you know, the main principle of 42 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: the scheme, but he dictates his skill state, skill set dictates, UM, 43 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, a greater responsibility. I love your your first 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: line as you were ranking the top five corners over 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: on nfl dot com right now, the top five lockdown 46 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: corners rather and the first line that you wrote for 47 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, who is your number one corner, the most 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: bodacious public corner in the game. And I would be 49 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: honest with you, but I have not heard the word 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: bodacious in a good long while. But I'm glad you 51 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: brought it back to the conversation. Yeah, because he's one 52 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: of the few guys where his his his aura, his swagger, 53 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: his demeanor matches his game. And when we think about 54 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: UM defensive backs, it's a great time that we're almost 55 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: on the edge of the eve of the Olympics playing 56 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: because these guys are really the catholetes. UM had a 57 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: coach he said they played the hardest position on the field. 58 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: They're the only guys who go backwards while everyone else 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: is going forward and playing their position, and so it 60 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: requires a different level of athleticism, a different mentality. And 61 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: when I think about Jalen Ramsey, I mean you talked 62 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: about a guy who legitimately was a world class athlete 63 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: at Florida State one the outdoor and indoor long jump 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: championships at Florida State multiple times. And so you're talking 65 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: about a long range, e explosive cornerback. But then he 66 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: is a guy who has a tenacious spirit to his 67 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: game and very very competitive that he's willing to challenge 68 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: wide receivers at every turn. I would give the Rams 69 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: credit under their previous defensive coordinator, Brandon Staley. What he 70 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: did is he really engaged generally runs in a different way. 71 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: Instead of just putting them out wide, he moved them 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: around and made him the quote unquote star corner. The 73 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: star corner would play inside and slot situations play outside, 74 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: and depending upon who the Rams were playing, they would 75 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: deployed Jalen Ramsey differently. And a lot of corners can't 76 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: play that life where they play outside and inside because 77 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: it requires so many different skills. It requires a different 78 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: mentality to be inside, because then you've got run game responsibilities. 79 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: You have to deal with slot receivers who have two 80 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: way goals with exceptional quickness. You have the big slot 81 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: receivers like Michael Thomas that goes out, so you gotta 82 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: do with the physicality everybody's not built to play in there, 83 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: and Jalen Ramsey can not only play outside, but he 84 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: can play inside and he does it at an exceedingly 85 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: high level. Hard to argue with that as the top 86 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: lockdown corner in the league. I mean we're in, you know, 87 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: in this position and guys who have this kind of distinction. 88 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: We're talking about, you know, twenty million dollar players now 89 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: in the league, and I don't think many people would 90 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: argue with that worth in what they provide to a defense. 91 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he's the only defender making twenty million dollars 92 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: who's not a pass rush When you think about that, 93 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: we talked about this game being one where, um, it's 94 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: always about the past game. Either you're quarterback, you're helping 95 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: the quarterback as a pass catcher or a playmaker, or 96 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: you're rushing the quarterback, or you find a way to 97 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: knock down the passes. Jalen Ramsey is at a level 98 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: where he is deemed to be one of those guys 99 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: in a special twenty million dollar club because his skills 100 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: is so rare and unique and the way that he 101 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: plays the game and he plays at such a high level, 102 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: it really alleviates a lot of the pressure on the 103 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: rest of the team to be able to get it done. 104 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: So you've got Jalen Ramsey at number one, I'm interested 105 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 1: in the next three kind of feel like they could 106 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: be in your unfairly equal footing, right, it might come 107 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: to some surprise that you've got Marlon Humphrey in there 108 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: at number two. Is a guy that's certainly an as 109 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: sending player. It feels like Zavian Howard, you know, is 110 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: a is a constant contender to lead the league interceptions. 111 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: Dude just gets his hand on the ball. You've got 112 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: him at number three. And then Jay your Alexander has 113 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: really come on and established himself among the elites in 114 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, when you rang those guys, you talk 115 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: to coaches, they'll put him in any order. Some guys 116 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: like Alexander because Alexander has what we call that shutdown 117 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: potential man. The man knows the knows he can go 118 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: and challenge anybody. Does a great job at really challenging 119 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: receivers um or making him work for for catches. That 120 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: is something that is unique. Marlin Humphrey, to me is 121 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: really interesting because he plays outside. But when they lost 122 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: Tavin Young to an injury, he jumped inside and played 123 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: nickel corner and played it man. He played it so well. 124 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: His instincts, his awareness, his field for finding the ball 125 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: and knocking the ball out a force fumbles you just 126 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: don't see guys. I mean since not since Peanut Tilman 127 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: when the Peanut punch. Um kind of grew to prominence 128 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: because he was he had such a knack for getting 129 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: the ball out. Marlin Humphreys in that that rare air 130 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to knocking it out. And then Xavian Howard. 131 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: Anytime you can turn the ball over, Um, there's a 132 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: value for that. Xavian Howard does it better than anybody. 133 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: You think about the interceptions that he's been able to 134 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: go to the last three years, he's been at the 135 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: top of the charts in terms of picking the ball off, 136 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: and to do it in a defense that is really 137 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: man heavy is rare because when you're playing man to man, 138 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: your back is to the quarterback, so a lot of 139 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: times you catch the ball late in terms of your 140 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: eyes picking it up late, whereas in zone you see 141 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: it leave his hand. It's easier to get interceptions in 142 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: zone than it is a man to man. For him 143 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: to continue to be a guy that puts a big numbers. 144 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: As an intercepted speaks volumes about his instincts, awareness, his technique, 145 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: more importantly, his ball skills. Yeah, twenty two picks over 146 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: the last four seasons, as you note in your explanation 147 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: of him, there as your number three lockdown corner League high. 148 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: I mean you're avaging almost six picks a year at 149 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: that point. Uh, certainly pretty special. And then tradevious White, 150 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: you know, kind of breaks the mold a little bit 151 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: and that he's not as flashy. You know, he's not 152 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: as outspoken or but man does he get the job done. 153 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: He is a solid technical corner, it feels like to me. 154 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: And that's we talked about that a little bit about 155 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: him coming out of L s U. You know, he's 156 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: as as refined as as your fine coming out of 157 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: L s U. And I think he landed in the 158 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: right spot. When I think about the culture in Buffalo, 159 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: I think about a blue collar team to just get 160 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: after it. Not a lot of flash, uh, not a 161 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: lot of pozzas to the way that they play, but 162 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: they just win. To me, that is Tradavias White to 163 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: a t um. You don't see a lot of extra 164 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: stuff from him. He just goes to work, does a 165 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: great job putting his hard head on and he challenges 166 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: receivers um just with what I call a very consistent 167 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: and tough um playing style on the perimeter. He's a 168 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: guy that excels in zone coverage, is a great job 169 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: of reading and reacting to balls. But if he has 170 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: to lock up and play man to man, he has that. 171 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: So when you go and you think about L s 172 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: U corners, we we've seen them produced corner after corner 173 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: after corner and half success in the league. Normally those 174 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: guys are man to man corners. Trade Davis breaks that 175 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: molde a little bit because he does have to play 176 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: zone and playoff and do some things in space. So 177 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys that probably feel like they 178 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: could or should be in that top five lists. We'll 179 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: call him honorable mentions and I think, uh, Defensive Player 180 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: of the Year a couple of years ago, Stephon Gilmore 181 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: fits that bill. But coming off last year well banged up, 182 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: didn't see him, you know, the entire year. I don't 183 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: know when we're gonna see him this year. Contract dispute 184 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: working out there, perhaps as Mike Giardi has been telling 185 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: us over on NFL Network. Uh, So I put Stephon Gilmore, 186 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: Denzel Ward, James Bradberry from the New York Giants, Darius 187 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: Slay from the Eagles, and Marshawn Lattimore from the Saints 188 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: kind of in that next like Honorable mentioned category there, 189 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? It does make sense. Um. I 190 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: think with each of the guys that you mentioned, they 191 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: were just on the outside looking in. I felt like 192 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: there was a slight dip in their play in um. Uh. 193 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: Darius Slay didn't play as well as he had played 194 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: those previous years up in Detroit. Marshawn Lattimore had some 195 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: lows in his play. But this is still UM in 196 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: the league corner at the position. James Bradbury is really 197 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: really interesting because look when he signed with the New 198 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: York Giants, some of it is like, hey, Dave Gentleman, 199 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: had he drafted a guy, he fell in love with him, 200 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: but then you watch him play and an assistant Patrick 201 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: Graham has thrown together in New York where they do 202 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. A lot of man demand 203 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: some weeks, some weeks they're in heavies own a lot 204 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: of changes. He held up well and on the island, 205 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: and that is surprising for a giant team that we 206 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: really thought would struggle. He did play really really well. 207 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: Stephan Gilmore. Uh, the injury really impacts everything. Didn't necessarily 208 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: play up to the level that he played as a 209 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: defensive Player of the Year. Still a good player in 210 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: his own right to be interesting to watch if he 211 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: how he comes back because he missed Mini camp and 212 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: those things. He's only making seven million dollars on the 213 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: books for the Patriots this year at you know, the 214 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: wrong side of thirty man. Do they get the deal 215 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: done so he can go back and show people why 216 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: he was really a defensive player the year corner and 217 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: I mentioned Denzel Award one. When I look at the 218 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: brown secondary, I mean like you've got a unit here 219 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: that is going to contend to be one of the best, 220 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: if not the best, from top to bottom in all 221 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: of football. I mean, Denzel is the headliner for sure. 222 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: Fourth overall pick. A couple of years ago, same year 223 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: that the brown Stock Baker Mayfield number one just signed 224 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: John Johnson, terrific safety in the league. We still haven't 225 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: seen Grant Delpit yet. Last year's second round pick. Um 226 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: you know who was a highly touted safety coming out 227 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: of L s U. We haven't really seen Greedy Williams 228 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: yet either, um he's been banged up. Was second round 229 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: pick in two thousand nineteen. And then they take Greg 230 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: Newsome in the first round this year to go along 231 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: with Troy Hill, who also came over as a as 232 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: a nickel corner from the rams Um. And then Ronnie 233 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: Harrison played some some good ball for them coming over 234 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: in a trade from Jacksonville. M J. Stewart uh there 235 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: as well. So, man, that's a really good deep group there, 236 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess. I mean, like I think a 237 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: lot of that hinges on the type of production we 238 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: get from its two L s U kids and Greedy 239 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: Williams and Grant Delta, who we just haven't seen a 240 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: ton yet from because of the injuries. Now we haven't 241 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: seen a time for them yet. They haven't had um 242 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: the opportunity to really get on the field. Injuries and 243 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: those things have kept them from it. I think if 244 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: you're defense coordinator, Joe, would you have to be excited 245 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: about what you have at your disposal. The dream for 246 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: every defensive coordinator to be able to change on a 247 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: week the week basis because you have so much talent 248 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: and so much versatility within your ranks. The Cleveland Browns 249 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: actually have that potential. When you read it off that 250 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: list of names of those guys in the secondary, plus 251 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: you think about Jadavian Clowney joining coming out, they can 252 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: really hit you with a bunch of different fronts and 253 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: looks and those things to make life um complicated for 254 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: the quarterback. This is a very very good group and 255 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: one that has enough depth that if they lose a 256 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: player or two, it's still shouldn't impact their chances of 257 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: being a viable contenter for the trophy this shoot. Yeah, 258 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: so I kind of used your list of the top 259 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: five and then some of those honorable mention guys and 260 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: looked around the rest of the league for cornerbacks. I 261 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: don't know, you, I don't even know if you necessarily 262 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: need to call them lockdown, But like their teams need 263 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: them to establish themselves as a top flight corner because 264 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: that's what they either drafted them or signed them to do, 265 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: and that defense desperately needs it. So like I'm looking 266 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: at um, the Jaguars gave a lot of money to 267 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: Shaquille Griffin, drafted c J. Henderson in the first round. 268 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: They need one of those two guys Bucky as you know, 269 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: to step up and be a true number one corner. Yeah. 270 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: Now that's an interesting thing because when you think about 271 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: Shack Griffin, um you want it. Does he have the 272 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: tools to be the number one, to lead the lead horse, 273 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: to lead defender into secondary. Can't you take on all 274 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: comers and defend the opponent's number one receiver? And then 275 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: you talk about C. J. Henderson being the first round pick. Uh, 276 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: just take Tyson Campbell another top pick. Yeah, they have 277 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: young athletic rangjie corners to play. The thing will be 278 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: will will they tailor their defense to allow them to 279 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: play fast and free? Can they make it as simple 280 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: as possible so their athletics has been talent can shine. 281 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: That's where I want to see. The next one I 282 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: had is the Tennessee Titans, who you know, let the 283 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: Dorry Jackson go, Let Malcolm Butler go. Hoping needing Christian Fulton, 284 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: last year's second round pick out of l s U 285 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: to step into a much bigger role. It feels like 286 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Christian fortan man he has he has a lot of 287 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: work ahead of him because you know, you can say 288 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: what you want to about the Dorry Jackson and Malcolm Butler. Um, 289 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: those guys are fighting now. Their their secondary was victimized. 290 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: They give up too many big plays. So can this 291 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: be a combination of better talent in a simpler scheme 292 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: to help them, Because you would like to think that 293 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: they will make some adjustments, um to get them right. 294 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: But and otherwise you're looking at what they signed you 295 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: Norris Jenkins, Um, they you know they do draft the 296 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: Caleb Farley, but I'm not sure what you're gonna get 297 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: out of him. So there a lot of a lot 298 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: of question marks for them in the back end. Um, 299 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: when you think about that division, Uh, any aflets going 300 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: to present some problems. So you want to be able 301 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: to drop in the box and play one on one. Uh, 302 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: you don't know what you're gonna see from the Texans, 303 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: so you're trying to figure out how you're gonna piecemeal 304 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: your defense to fix them. And then with the Jacks, 305 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: the best thing they may do is be able to 306 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: get it out of the Remember you can do get 307 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: run the ball a little bit. So your guys will 308 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: have to be involved in both aspects of the game. 309 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: So I'll run off a couple other ones here and 310 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: you can pick out which one's uh you want to 311 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: look at. So other teams that need corners on their 312 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: roster to really step into a true number one role 313 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: as a corner. The Raiders take your pick Damon Arnett, 314 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: Trayvon mullen Um. You know somewhere they need one of 315 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: those two guys to jump in. Cowboys Treyvon Diggs, who 316 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: kind of showed you know, some uh flashes of that 317 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: kuype type of ability. Uh, you've got the Washington football 318 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: team signed William Jackson. I feel like, uh, maybe need 319 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: him to step into that role. You know they've got 320 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: that ferocious front. The Lions need Jeff Okuda to really 321 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: step into that role. You're gonna take him that high 322 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: like they did a couple of years ago. It's, you know, 323 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: coming off a rookie year, getting his feet wet. It's time. 324 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: Vikings have seen a lot of turnover at that position 325 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Save your roads, of course 326 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: gone before last year. So Jeff Gladney number one pick 327 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: or first round pick needs to step in. Patrick Peterson 328 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: P two. I don't know if he still falls into 329 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: that category, but could still certainly be a really good 330 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: player for them. And then the Falcons with a J. Terrell, 331 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: who I think flash some of that stuff ast year 332 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: as a number one pick rookie. So uh. And then 333 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: you know like the these this year's rookies, Sante, Samuel 334 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: Patser Tan we mentioned, um Caleb Farley, Like those guys 335 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: fit into like the hope you're hoping at this point, 336 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: but they haven't shown anything yet on the field. Those 337 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: last four Falcon's Vikings, Lions, Washington Cowboys, Raiders, Titans. Man, 338 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: they need somebody to step into that role. Yeah, I 339 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: mean they're a ton of guys and a ton of 340 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: teams that need their players to step up. You mentioned 341 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the question about the Raiders. Here's 342 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: why the Raiders should be better, um mother than Arnette. Uh. 343 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: Gus Bradley is coming in with a very simple system. 344 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: They play covered three behind it. They're going do a 345 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: really good job of just making it very very simple 346 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: for them to play fast and be free and to 347 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: just run and hit. So that that is why they 348 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: have an opportunity, an opportunity real quickly to to to 349 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: close ground. And then when I look at the Washington 350 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 1: football team and William Jackson. It's not only William Jackson 351 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: and the talent that he brings coming up from Cincinnati, 352 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: but it's what he has playing in front of him, 353 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: that front line being able to quicken the clock in 354 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback's head. Aaron throws shouldn't make his players off 355 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: tips and over and overthrows. And finally, you know, like 356 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, I felt like Patrick Peterson was a 357 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: descending player. And then I've seen Mike Zimmer kind of 358 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: do these things before we take the project, can kind 359 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: of figures it out. Um, I'm gonna go in Minnesota 360 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. Yeah, and we pat all right, 361 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: and then let's finish up this cornerback discussion with some 362 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: teams that just don't have an obvious choice right at 363 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: as the number one corner Jets fit that Bill Bless, 364 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: Austin Bryce Hall. You know, I don't know if that's 365 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: the future at that position. The Bengals are an interesting 366 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: one because you're using Trey Wayne's as a nickelback. You 367 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: paid them a lot of money. Uh GB Woozier comes 368 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: over from the Cowboys, and what how do we feel 369 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: about Joe Hayden at this point? Of his career, you know, 370 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: like the Steelers are still gonna rely on him heavily. Um. 371 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: Based on the rest of that roster. I mean you 372 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: got Justin Lane Thurbram picked two years ago over there 373 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: as well. Texans. I mean they have how many swings 374 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: have they taken at the cornerback spot Buck Vernon, Hargraves, 375 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: Brandon Roby, h Bradley Roby um. And then you know 376 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: it was uh Gary Conley and I mean they were 377 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: they were using I don't know, I don't know where 378 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: that stands um. And we talked about the Titans. The 379 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: Chiefs seemed to get it done without a marquee name. 380 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: I mean you could say what you want about you know, 381 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: Sean Fenton, there, various ward Um. That's kind of who 382 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: they're gonna rely on. Forty Niners have done it without, 383 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, a big name since you know Sherman Sherm 384 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: is no longer there or isn't there right now. And 385 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: then how the Seahawks are placed Shaquille Griffin. So that's 386 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: how I kind of finished out that piece of the puzzle. Yeah, 387 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: I think what you're having a lot of it depends 388 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: on scheme and then the development of the players. We 389 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: can talk about Seattle and what they need. They're gonna 390 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: bank on their developmental process. We're getting young guys ready 391 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: to play um. If they're able to get the splash 392 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: plays or disruption, that's kind of gravy. But now it's 393 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: about getting the young guys up to speed so they 394 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: can make plays. They can be on the field. They 395 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: don't have to sit there at times with like a 396 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: little a deer in headlights because they don't know what's 397 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: going on. This gives them a chance to continue to 398 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: take a major swing at it and see if they 399 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: can get it right. The one team that I'm not 400 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: as worried about the Pittsburgh still is because Joe Hayden 401 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: is getting over He plays well in a small box. 402 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: But this is a team that also typically wants to 403 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: be a zone zone dog team want to put their 404 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: guys in space, let them see the quarterback and let 405 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: them react to it. They do, they don't make a 406 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: ton of plays exactly, and so that's how you weigh 407 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: the conversation with corners, right. You have to balance scheme 408 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: what they're asked to do with skill set. And that's 409 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: what we were talking about when we began this thing 410 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: with lockdown corners. Some guy I just don't necessarily have 411 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: that opportunity within the landscape of their schemes. So you 412 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: just gotta kind of take all of those things, uh, 413 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: you know, into consideration when you're considering uh, you know, 414 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 1: ranking or having a conversation about cornerbacks, you know in 415 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: this league in the way that defenses deployed them. All right, hey, 416 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: let's have some fun before we get out of here, 417 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: because you know, we talked a lot back in May 418 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: about uh dk metcalfs run and at the hundred meter 419 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: back in the Golden Games, trying to earn a spot 420 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: in the Olympic trials and then eventually on the Olympic team. 421 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: Didn't quite work out, but man, did he quit himself? Well, 422 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: you know it's a dude is two hundred thirty five 423 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: pounds running of what was at a ten three forty 424 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: or ten three. It was just insanity. Marquis Goodwin has 425 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: made an Olympic team before, when he was a member 426 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills back in two thousand twelve, made 427 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: the Olympic team, missed out in twenty six and I 428 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: decided this year as a new Chicago Bear as I'm 429 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: gonna give it a run again in the long jump 430 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: in the Olympic trials. And I mean, look, while he 431 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: did not make the Olympic team, I mean for a 432 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: guy who you know has to train for football too, man, 433 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive to run into the Olympic trials there 434 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: and still be able to compete. You know what I 435 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: mean by yeah, I think it just speaks to the 436 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: world class athleticism that he has a guy who has 437 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: already made the Olympic team, continues to lightly sporadically trained 438 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: and he put himself in a position to be able 439 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: to go there. Um, it means a lot. From a 440 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: scouting perspective, I love hearing these stories. I love seeing 441 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: what guys that's my next question. Yeah, I was in 442 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: you now. Oh, I think it's so it's such a 443 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: positive deal because it's legitimate and verified. Measurements at times 444 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: are legitimate. If I see you run a ten five 445 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: on the track, I know that's a legitimate time. And 446 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: I have been trying to figure out the best way 447 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: to do weight room when it but you know, like 448 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: I just think it's a really unique situation when you 449 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: have these guys that are world class athletes that can 450 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: run fast, they can jump, I they can do a 451 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: bunch of different things. They never fully dedicate themselves to track, 452 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: but they can compete at a high level. DK metcav 453 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: Mark He's going. They deserve to be celebrated because they're 454 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: only a handful of people on the earth that can 455 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: do what these guys were trying to do. I think 456 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: it just makes it better when we see more football 457 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: players participating in track and field. So and from a 458 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: recruiting world, which you're you know now heavily involved in 459 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: with you know your players, um as coach Buck and 460 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: then you know the guys that you see come through 461 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: in the Elite eleven and and you know the opening 462 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. UM Like, I remember, you know 463 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: when I was coming out Obviously you know your own 464 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: personal experience as a as a speed demon. But when 465 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: I was coming out of high school, you know, I 466 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: was a lightly recruited you know player, uh from a 467 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: football perspective, But I remember being caught off guard when 468 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm on the phone, I think was the head coach 469 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: at the time at Stephen F. Austin and and he 470 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: was calling me. He was like, what are you running 471 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,239 Speaker 1: in the four hundred and I was like what, Um, Well, 472 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: because I told him, you know, you asked me what 473 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: other sports I did. I was like, yeah, you know, 474 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: I play soccer in the winter and you know I 475 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: run track in the spring. And he's like, what do 476 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: you run? I was like, well, um, you know, I 477 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: do the mile relay. I run the six hundred. Um 478 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: it was more of a distance guy. And so um 479 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, so what's your four hundred split? And 480 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: I was like, for sure, padded my time about about 481 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: five seconds five well one because I knew there wasn't 482 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 1: going to be an actual time out there, but I did. 483 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: I did not run the four hundred. It was a split, 484 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: and so I was like, you know, fifty three and 485 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, that's a little slow for us. I 486 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: was like, oh, shoot, that's about five seconds faster than 487 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: it actually is. No. So so so rid was what 488 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: was funny is um old school scout. I learned Ozzie 489 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: Newsome and um Shack hare Us and those guys at 490 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: the combine. They used to just drop these nuggets and 491 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: they would say like, man, you just want to get 492 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: the guys actual track time because it would tell you 493 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: everything that you need to know. And so I want 494 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: to say Jalen Ramsey is a guy who already talked 495 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: about him winning, but I think he launched him like 496 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: twenty five s like something ridiculous, right, And so when 497 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: you have that kind of explosives, you're like, oh, well 498 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna run fast. He's gonna run uh in the 499 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: fourth four ways, he's gonna have a vertical jump in 500 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: the high thirties and those things like it matters. And 501 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: then when you see a guy like DK Metcalf and 502 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of there were a lot of people 503 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: that are saying, oh, well he learned trackers were fast, 504 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: But man, ten three, ten three push you in a 505 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: unique category because you're like, man, if he ran ten three, 506 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: that means just forty times gonna be in the four 507 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: threes ish on on off day. And because it's verified 508 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: and electronic and those things completely different mix. And so 509 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: I love saying it. And what I will say, um 510 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: having run track in college, um while playing football, is 511 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: that I believe all athletes are like, if you're football flow, 512 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: you're not playing baseball the basketball, you should run track 513 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: because one you're gonna learn how to run fast. You 514 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: can learn all the speed mechanics that are going to 515 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: help you, but the competitiveness to being able to get 516 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: very five times and those things, it only helps. And 517 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: so we talked about it like, uh, the receiver that 518 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: came out of Auburn Schwartz, Anthony Schwartz, Anthony Swartz when 519 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: he was in high school. I remember him in Florida 520 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: just rolling through everything. And so then you're like, when 521 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: you see him in the coming like, oh, this guy's 522 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: gonna run fast. Guys, UM check his background. He was 523 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: a state champion. He's gonna be fine. Um. The little 524 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: corner that came from was a Robert Rochelle that came 525 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: from smaller school. Might have been that he was a 526 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: state champion in Louisiana and in the hundred it might 527 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: have been three eight, but he still was a state champion. 528 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: You're like, he's another one that's gonna run fast. So 529 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: I love it. I of seeing it. I love when 530 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: we get to this time of year and these guys 531 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: are trying out for the Olympic trials because and actually 532 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: you got it, made the Olympic team in the two 533 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: D the seventeen year old kid, yes, uh, four star 534 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: Wars receiver. I think we need to really yeah out 535 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: of North Hollywood, Florida. Pretty four star. I think I 536 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: think we can put a five star on him because 537 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: the regards to whether he can catch an out of thing. 538 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: Let's get a bonus bump up, little upgrade your star ranking. 539 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: When you're gonna be you might have a metal hanging 540 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: on your freaking neck. Uh. It just it just gives 541 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: those guys a chance. Because even thinking about Mark, he's good. 542 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: When when he was coming out of Texas he got 543 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: a hand for the balls, he was okay. But then 544 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: when you think about the track, exploits like it bumps 545 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: him up. Like you just think about the speed and 546 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: that's what people are like, Oh, you know, like it's 547 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: untapped potential, you know, like we can make how many 548 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: how many discussions do you think we're had around the NFL, 549 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: like you know, maybe playful or not about Usain Bolt, 550 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: like find a way get m a chance to get 551 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: much chance. We've seen it. There's a level of the 552 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: there's some crossover to it. If you run really fast, 553 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: you have a chance to get on the track. I'll 554 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: never forget. Um My buddy worked in Tennessee. He was 555 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: working with the Titans, where justin Gatlin, I was gonna 556 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: say that. Next Yeah, he did a quiet, like a 557 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: little underrat workout and he said, Buck, it was so 558 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: crazy that he ran and you couldn't hear anything, that's 559 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: how light his feet were on the turf. And it 560 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: was like, he said, it's the craziest thing. Like it 561 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: didn't even look like he was exerting any energy coming 562 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: down to turf. And he was like, look, it was 563 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: in the four threes. But you're like, wow, how fast 564 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: and what it looked like. And so I don't know, 565 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: I think I think it's great. I think it's great 566 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: if you have like the two way experience, been able 567 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: to be a track athlete and football and not just 568 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: as a sprinter, but as a drunk jumper at the 569 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: shot in this like last year, Christian Worth's was a 570 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: guy who won the state championship in either the shot 571 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: and disc when he was coming out to also go 572 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: along with wrestling, wrestling accolades and all of that other stuff. 573 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: So when you put those things together, typically those guys 574 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: that can dominate in another sport, they also have success 575 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: in our sport. By the way, Iowa center Tyler lender 576 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: Baumb was gonna be one of the best offensive linemen 577 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: in the country this year. There's a I think there's 578 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: clips float around the internet right now. Is wender Bomb 579 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: like flatbacking Tristan Worth's when they were in high school wrestling. 580 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: So um, you know, keep an eye on the center 581 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: over for the Iowa Hawkeyes this year. But with that 582 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: on your scouts, all those things matter. So so when 583 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: you're when you're scouting, you're always digging in the background, 584 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: and when you see guys who have success in Olympic sports, wrestling, 585 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: track and field, it really helps. It enhances that overall 586 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: the evaluation because a guy like Tristan Worfs who goes 587 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: and earns all rookie honors um right out the gate 588 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: coming out of Iowa, were you like, look, man, this 589 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: dude was a high level athlete, and maybe we didn't 590 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: even give him enough credit for his athleticism when he 591 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: was coming out. Because the leverage that he learned, the 592 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: explosives that he displays as a shot put er, a 593 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: discus thrower, it all showed up all Sundays better believe it. 594 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: And about three weeks from now we'll get a chance 595 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: to watch the Olympics get underway, and for sure we 596 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: will we will be watching and uh and we will 597 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: be tuning in and we thank you guys for tuning 598 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: in today. Uh. Here on the Move, The Stakes podcast 599 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: of course, back with more episodes next week. At some 600 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: point DJ will be back, I assume. I mean, we 601 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: don't know. He's having a good time for himself, it 602 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: sounds like. But great catching up with you. And thanks 603 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: to a Bill for getting his role in here. And 604 00:30:36,920 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: we'll see you guys next week. Four