WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Football Potpourri 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.880 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:17.759 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:21.960 screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:26.639 Dallas Cowboys apt Now here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:32.640 and Mickey Spagnola. Well, we made a streak of one 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.519 one straight when all three of us here in the 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:46.000 SWBC Mortgage studio for Mick Shots. But today it's myself, 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:53.000 Mickey Spagnola, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. I think he's 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.440 been burning rubber or something. He said he had a 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.400 tire problem, and you guys thought it would be me, 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.360 didn't you, right if anybody was gonna be oh yeah, 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.560 it's gonna be ever since. And you know he had 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:05.840 to go to the tire place to get it fixed 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.440 or get more tires, I'm not sure, and you know 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:14.080 how long that takes. So Bill should join us shortly, hopefully, 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.600 and in the meantime, Everson and myself will try to 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:24.600 hold down the fort here. As the Cowboys are into 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:29.679 the off season with strength and conditioning going on. This 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:35.119 weekend Friday and Saturday, the Rookie Mini camp will take place. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.840 Be interesting to see just how much they're allowed to 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:45.039 do out on the field. I know, ever, since it's 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:49.720 basically gonna be individual drills, the position guys, you can't 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:54.000 go up against each other during this mini camp, but 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.480 it is a mandatory mini camp, so they should have 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:04.640 around let's see thirteen undrafted free agents, eleven draft choices, 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.880 and a couple veterans. So somewhere or guys, let's put 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.480 it this way, they were on the team, uh last year. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.919 I think Ben d Nucci qualifies. They need a quarterback 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.799 to be able to, you know, throw passes to wide receivers. 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:24.000 So probably twenty five twenty six guys will be out 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:29.560 there uh this weekend, so uh, that certainly is going on. 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:34.120 I think since last we uh spoke on Mick shots, 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:40.200 the Cowboys had a visit from quarterback Jeff driscoll. And 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.919 while everybody was all excited that he was going to 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:49.440 sign immediately, I think after he got here, the Cowboys 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.000 found are they probably already knew the rest of us 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:57.360 found out that he had more visits to take. Now 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.760 he's yeah, he's a pretty Cinderella. They wants to take 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.320 a guy that's uh, he's searching for his fifteen fifth 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:11.359 team since being drafted in the sixth round of twenty sixteen. Wow. So, uh, 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.280 we'll see where that one goes. That was always going 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.520 to be I think a financial thing. How much can 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.320 the Cowboys offer him? Um? I mean he's only started 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.640 nine games, so I don't know that that, uh is 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.520 the prerequisite to be a veteran backup quarterback. But at 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.960 least he's been in the league. Tell me something about him. 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.760 What's up with Jeff driscoll? I must admit I am 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.480 in the dock here. Yeah, he's he just never I 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.600 don't know if it was recognition because you know when 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.280 he when he transferred from Florida the Louisiana Tech. Yes, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.840 he had a right down the street Louisiana. Yeah, he had. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.720 He had a nice season there. Uh, you know through 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.960 the ball well. Um, but from my understanding, arm strength 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.080 wasn't a problem. It was just more of recognition and 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:05.880 seeing things and um. So we'll see where that one goes. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.520 That's one of the things that Cowboys still need to 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.880 take care of, uh, is figure out who that backup 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.159 quarterback is going to be. They have their own three 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:21.160 candidates still with Ben Denucci, Cooper Rush, and Garrett Gilbert 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:29.880 and another veteran potential backup got resigned. Blaine Gabbert resigned 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:35.400 with the Bucks, so oh not coming here. So he's 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.240 They actually gave him a two and a half million 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:41.240 dollars base salary for one year. And it is so 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:45.120 nice to be a quarterback, right, and the best thing 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.280 to be accomplished don't have to play, yes, just you know, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.000 get used to the clipboard, and when it's time to play, 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:54.839 you go out there and you just kind of stink 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.240 up the joint and they're like, no, no, your best 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.760 place is over here with the clipboard, right, instead of 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.960 all the team. No, you're gonna stick around with the 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.200 clipboard as a quarterback. How many defensive backs do you 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:11.480 see sticking around after they've gotten toasted two or three? Right, Hey, hey, 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.880 let's go there and then just hold the clipboard for 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.680 the defensive coordinator. I just don't see that happening. But 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.200 what I do see is a little bit of tear 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.960 coming up into my eye. I see the thirteen undrafted 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.920 free agents, right, if we're talking about nineteen eighty one, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:31.200 that would be myself, Michael Downs would be in that category. Guy. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.560 Just a whole bunch of guys, A couple of guys 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.320 from Ohio State back in nineteen eighty one, and a 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.120 couple more kind of on their way in eighty three, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.320 right with Bill Bates. And yeah, just think about that, man, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.880 I mean, right now, we're just looking at them as 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.840 just you know, insignificant individuals. You know, next thing, you know, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.039 you might see it. Like you said, Bill Bates in there, 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.800 Everson Walls, Michael Downs marked two and that you, I mean, 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.279 do you think we have one? Well, it's to be 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.480 difficult because when you had eleven draft choices, you're gonna 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.960 have to really miss for one of those guys or 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.200 two of them to be able to make the team. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:15.040 And not knowing what the OTAs are going to look like, like, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.320 how much of an opportunity are you really going to 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:21.920 have to go out there and show what you can do? Right? 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:27.039 And at this point, you know, and what if they say, oh, 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.920 we're doing OTAs virtually, Yeah, then you really don't have 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.799 much of a chance to be able to make the team. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.919 And you know, who knows where the preseason's gonna go, 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.680 so that stuff is still up in the air. I 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.120 have to say, if I would to come in as 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.800 a free agent under these circumstances, and it was still 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:52.919 the Tom Landry Dallas Cowboys with the same flex defense. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.360 I still think I would have gotten it. Yeah, but 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.440 I don't know if I've made the team right, But 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.360 I still think I would have gotten here in regards 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.200 to what to do, regardless of how few practices we've had, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.880 you know, what kind of reps would I would get. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.440 I still think I could. I could get it because 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:14.840 those couple of times Gene starters threw us in the fire. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.160 I mean like during preseason in a ball game. I 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.880 remember when Randy Hughes went down and I had to 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.360 come in in the red zone and we're talking about 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.360 playing thirty three X in the red zone, and I 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.040 just had to go for it. You know what I mean. 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.960 You couldn't. You couldn't think at the time. You had 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.920 to know. And you know, the other safety wasn't looking 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.160 at me. He's a veteran. I'm a rookie. You know, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.520 they don't hear rookies back there. I'm like, hey, well 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.000 they don't want to hear it. I'm here. You should 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.840 have studied, and just so happened. I gathered right, So 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:49.160 when you got here as an undrafted free agent. Did 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.840 you start counting the numbers of the veterans and going, Okay, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.480 I'm gonna have to beat somebody out to be able 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:59.680 to start doing that until we got to camp, all right, 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.720 And then that's when the veterans got there, So our 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.960 two weeks were up. Nobody's counting anything right now. It 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.440 was twenty five rookies. Okay, it was twenty five rookies, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.800 so nobody's counting anything but twenty five right now. You 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:14.960 got you have to find your place in line just 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.680 to go through the drill. There was some guys didn't 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.960 even make it through drills almost all day because there 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.520 was so many of us stacked up. So you didn't 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.240 count veterans at that time. But when they came there 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.360 two weeks later, which is the way we used to 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.280 do it. Veterans came in two weeks after the rookies 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:35.640 were all worn out, nappy headed tans, i mean, breath stinking, 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.760 when we were just horrible. By the time the veterans 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.560 got there. They come in looking all pretty, and then 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.120 that's when we started to count. We saw Aaron Mitchell, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.920 we saw Steve Wilson, you know, we saw Wade Manning. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.120 You know, these are guys that, for some reason, I 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.400 guess you look at the Cowboys then as now, wasn't 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.080 much put into the secondary. There just wasn't much put 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.800 into it. As much as it was an extremely complicated defense, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.319 flex defense, four defensive backs, they just didn't didn't put 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.320 much money into defensive backs. You had, Charlie was still there, 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.240 you had Cliff was just had just left, Cliff Harris 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.400 had just left Hall of Famer. Uh, Dennis Sturman was 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.800 being moved over to corner. I mean, we were just 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.959 a hodgepod, I would say, less potential than they have 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.160 for the Cowboys secondary right now. So with you and 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.440 Downs making it in the secondary, who didn't make it 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.520 like you cost somebody when we started counting numbers. Yeah, 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.960 it was gonna be between Steve Wilson and Aaron Mitchell, 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.640 those two guys. Those two guys, because Benny Blonds is 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.800 a veteran, he's gonna stay. Benny was until Bill Bates 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.520 got there. Benny was integral in our in our plans. Still, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.559 of course, Charlie was still our starter. Dexter Clinkscale being 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.680 a very close You could have just said Dexter or Charlie. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.760 But you know, Charlie because of the experience. And so 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.839 we're sitting in the meeting room. The numbers have been 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:07.240 figured out through all the defensive backs, and so we said, okay, 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:11.240 one person has to go. We step into the meeting room. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.560 All of us are still there. That one person has 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.560 not gone. The number is still the same. By the 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.400 time the meeting started, someone had tapped Aaron Mitchell on 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.400 his shoulder and told him he was going to Tampa Bay. Oh, 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:30.400 so that's how trade to the meeting? You yes, Well 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.040 or Fellows? Mike Downs was all the way in her 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:39.280 He was in choice. Fellows was a draft choice seventh 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:44.600 round seven B if I'm not mistake, University of Missouri, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.800 though wide receiver. He came in. It was seven to 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.160 eighty seven B. He and Ken Miller. Ken Miller from 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.840 Michigan State. Fellows was seven B. If I'm not mistaken, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.200 I may have it mixed up and Fellows. It was 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.360 between Fellows and myself really on who would have been 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.640 able to go. I had three interceptions in the preseason, 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.079 but I wasn't drafted. So what kind of weight does 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.360 that give me? You understand? So that's what we didn't 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.800 understand was Aaron Mitchell going to be the guy that 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.760 stuck on and was I'm going to be the guy 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.640 that was out of there? So I think it was 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.280 between Mitch, myself and Ron Fellows on who would have 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.760 been that third person when they found a place for 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.880 Mitch to go. Then all of a sudden, we're looking around, 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.640 Mitch is gone, and everybody's kind of well, the young 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.000 guys are kind of exhale, especially me and round Fellows. 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.079 So that's how that went. So all we gonna find 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:39.040 a Michael Downs in this free agent, these these undrafted 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.720 free agents. And the other question I have spags when 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.560 you're looking at just how bad our defense was and 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:49.120 looking at how we attacked the defense in the draft 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.559 and free agency. By the way, with all the safeties 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.600 they signed in free agency, yes, of course, the new 0:11:55.920 --> 0:12:01.000 guys from Atlanta, those guys. How many I see more 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:05.120 people making the team than we think. I mean, you 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.319 talk about draft choices, how many do you usually make 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.800 the team in the draft? You know what I'm thinking, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:16.520 If you got eleven, if you get seven to make 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:22.120 the team and not counting the practice, you've probably done well, right, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:27.200 So yeah, not everybody is gonna make it. Uh, the 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.400 last guy drafted probably. You know, I don't think he 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.760 should go out and spend his signing bonus just yet. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:42.000 There's my list here, Matt Farni. Yeah, he ought to 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:46.040 be careful the safety Israel, although they kind of liked 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:53.840 that he was a corner h mukamu mumukuamu. Uh, yeah, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.160 you better be careful there. But I could see one 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:04.360 two rhythm with I could see seven and I think 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:10.760 you know, Nashon Wright, we'll see, right, wasn't thought of 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.560 highly by other teams in the draft. The Cowboys did so. Yeah. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.439 I think I think the key thing of all this 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.760 is is going to be the competition because if you 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.960 if you look at it, you know they ended up 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:29.800 uh drafting uh three defensive linemen, but they signed three 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:37.640 veterans in free agency, Basham, Carlos Watkins, and Brett irv Urban, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:42.679 so you know there's three guys right there. Uh. They 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:49.040 limited the competition with releasing uh Antoine Woods last week, 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.880 which you know, it was too bad. I don't know 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.640 if he was pricing himself out now he was a 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.160 restricted free agent. He was going to count two point 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.480 one million. But I think they were a little worried about. 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.400 I don't know if they gave him an offer, like 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.679 to get a two year deal and then lower his 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.080 base salary for this year and give him a little 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.719 upfront money, or if it was just the fact that 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:18.480 he just didn't fit into the defensive tackle position that 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.240 Quinn envisions with a three hundred and thirty pounds sixth 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.400 round draft choice that they brought in. Right, I gotta say, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.360 coming from this defense, no matter how well you might 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:37.560 think you have played, considering all the circumstances, I can't 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:42.960 see many of our free agents or veterans getting much 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:47.440 love from other teams across the league. I mean, oh, 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.640 you mean, if you're gonna cut somebody, if I Wood, 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.360 I just see Woods was going to visit the Colts, 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.800 I mean he would really and you know, we saw 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.080 how well he played. Yeah, we saw that he did 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:03.520 as well as he could under circumstances. Does everyone else 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.800 see that? Does does the rest of the league see that? 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.600 I mean, if I'm if I'm a GM or if 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.920 I'm type of scout and I'm looking at the Cowboys 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.920 having the worst run defense in the history of the 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:20.200 franchise this past season, why would I go after somebody 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.360 from our defensive line or linebackers. Why would I go 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.920 out to somebody that we just released or was just 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:31.120 you know, well resigned. In his defense, when he finally 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.920 got to start those last seven games, they played a 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.800 little bit better. Do you think the other teams the 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.160 position played better. Let's think that the teams actually are 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:48.200 they gonna the deep enough to Terry Poe was so 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.880 bad that me and you could have gone in and 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.720 played better. Well, a little insider trading there. So the 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.320 Colts defensive coordinators Matt Eberflews, who had been the Cowboys 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.600 with the Cowboys under Rod and Mirror knowing, so maybe 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.960 he asked Rod Heywood about this guy. You know, we're 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:10.400 looking for a kind of a run stopping nose tackle. Uh. So, 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.520 maybe they're probably looking at season trading and looking at 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:17.560 this season as an exception, right, you know, to the rule, 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.040 and they're saying, Okay, let's go back to what we 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.920 liked about Woods in the beginning. Right, they'll probably go 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.800 back to the previous notes forget this past season. Right, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.280 this was in an operation. Let's see what we what 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.920 we thought about him before this past season. That has 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.160 to be the thought process, right, and and like I said, 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.120 so this is going to be interesting with all the 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:44.160 competition and think about it. They also had five defensive 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:50.160 starters uh in that final game that aren't hearing right, 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:58.080 So you lose Chitubey Woozier, Xavier Woods, Tyrone Crawford, Sean Lee, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:06.119 and Alden Smith. So those guys, uh, basically uh and 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:11.240 oh this and que guy. They they had six guys 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:16.880 that totally of the snaps on defense. So there's gonna 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:21.720 be some openings. Now we assume Kelvin Kelvin Joseph is 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.040 a walk in starter at corner. I don't know, uh, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:30.439 oss O Diggi Zua, Yeah, you know, but you got Tyring, 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.840 Tristan Hill coming back, Deville Gallimore played well. So I 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.680 think there's just gonna be some really good uh competition 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.440 and death and death and maybe a little bit depth, yeah, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.600 and a little bit more size. So if you look 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:49.720 at the draft choices, uh, I mean the only walk 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.520 in starter for sure is Micah Parsons and boy he 0:17:53.640 --> 0:18:00.280 better start. Yeah. Yeah, I just have a drama free 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.000 training camp, you know. And I did a little bit 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.520 more and we'll get into this at some point. You know, 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.399 maybe next week after we actually see him out here. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.720 But what a stud athlete he was in high school. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:19.000 He didn't just play football eighth bill Bill said, he 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.439 and he uh. And then when he got to uh 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:30.320 Harris Harrisburg High he transferred from another school. Uh. They 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.840 went to the state championship. His junior year, he was 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.760 the star running back. Not only the star running back, 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.040 but the star defensive end. Looked huge, right, he looked huge. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:47.360 As soon as and as soon as uh the football 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.680 season was over, he was starting on the basketball team. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:55.200 And then he ran track. He was running the hundred 0:18:55.320 --> 0:19:00.280 meters at two hundred and twenty pounds. Localf, Yes, yeah, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.720 who by the way, found out that football speed and 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.040 track speed maybe a little bit right, unless you know 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.560 how good Willie Galt and Ron Brown was how fast 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.119 they were. They end up being on the World championship 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.360 for about one hundred meter relay team. Yeah, and Metcalf 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.760 can't touch them. He ran up. He ran in that 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:23.639 in that meet, the USA Track and Field Golden Games 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:28.680 and Distance Open. Uh, he ran at ten three seven, right, 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.920 So he was last in his heat, just in his heat, 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:37.000 and he was fifteen of seventeen guys that ran the hundred. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:43.439 So for him to qualify for the US Trials Olympic Trials, 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.879 he needed to run a ten point zero five and 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.879 he is ten point three seven. Let's think about the 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.600 guys that we know that were fast. We just talked 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:58.160 about Ron Brown, Rams, Willie Galt, Bears, Tony do a set, Yes, 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:00.800 Tony Doo a set could have in the race. I 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.760 bet he could have. He could have. I wonder if 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.760 Dion would have could have. Yeah. And also Chris Johnson 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.200 from Tennessee right running back, you know, and I saw 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:14.760 I saw the video of Metcalf's hundred, and he was 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:19.720 good for fifty yards and then the guys start pulling 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:21.840 away a little bit. I think, lets you know how 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.600 fast those guys were, how fast Doorset was Chris Johnson. 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.440 I'll tell you one of the most impressive thing I 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:33.080 saw in a hundred uh in in track trials in 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:39.160 eighty eight and the Olympics was Florence Joiner Griffin flow Joe. 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.840 She had the one leg, one leg, one tight leg, yeah, 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:48.399 and she at at sixty or seventy meters she was 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:53.359 still accelerating. Most people, you know after fifty or sixty 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.720 year probably not at top speed anymore. No, she was 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:00.760 getting faster. I had to learn something. Of all people, 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:02.920 herschel Walker. I never listened to him, but because I 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.040 must have overheard it, I here he wants a run 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.639 for governor. Yeah, he needs to just go back and 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:11.400 run forwards. But he told me something that was interesting. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:16.320 He said, track is about not about who's the fastest necessarily. 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.639 How did they put it? He said, it wasn't just 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:24.320 about racing the opponent and being faster than him, you don't. 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:29.760 It's who slows down the soonest, right, you see what 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.399 I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, because it's not like you just 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.320 talked about top end speed. We all come out a 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:41.560 certain way, but how long can you maintain that pace? Right? Right? 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.239 And so most of course slow down at the end. 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.280 So that's that was very interesting on how we said it, 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.680 and it made me look at track a totally different way. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.200 It's not about how fast you accelerate through the line. 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:56.280 It's about who slows you know, who doesn't slow down? 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.200 You know what I mean? Who can maintain That's my 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.080 lasting memory from the hundred meter championship race in eighty 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.840 eight in the Olympics, when Ben Johnson beat Carl Lewis, Yes, 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:11.000 And I'm sitting there watching and I had a really 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.720 good media seat. I was like in the middle of 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:19.399 the hundred meters and Ben Johnson's going right, Carl Lewis 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.760 is motoring, but all of a sudden, Carl Lewis is 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:28.399 like this, He's looking. He ain't getting any closer. He's looking. 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.520 And the third time he looked with like ten meters 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.800 to go, and he can't believe he's getting beat. Now. 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:35.600 If you can see the look on his face as 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.560 he's running, yeah, that's perturbed, Like how is this happen? 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.280 How am I not catching that? He knew something was wrong, 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:46.080 and then he knew something afterwards. We knew something was 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:51.160 wrong because after the race, the runners would go into 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.000 the locker room they would do their testing, and we 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:57.000 would sit in this to militarized zone and they would 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:00.600 walk back out for interviews. Well, we waited and waited 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.560 and waited for Ben Johnson and he finally came out 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.280 after a long time and every we're all sitting there 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:11.040 going on something I don't know, And yeah, they tested 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:15.320 him right away, he tested positive, tested him right away. Yeah, 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:18.120 you know when the guy wins like that, just come 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.359 in side, now, come here, we have a test for 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:25.159 you right here. And let's remember now Johnny Lamb Jones, Yes, 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:27.520 was another one that we had here. Ye now, that 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.879 is world class speed right there. That's not you know, 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.960 just a uh. He wasn't to me, he wasn't a 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.160 football player. We always talked about Bob Hayes talked about 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.720 guys like Dorset. They were football players who just happened 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:44.280 to be fast. Right, There's a difference between being a 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.920 track guy and trying to be trying to play football. 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.560 That's what Johnny Lamb tried to do. Alexander Right. Alexander 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.359 right is another same thing. Remember the speed, Well you 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:57.000 weren't you were gone. That was the next year ninety 0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:00.720 He was the second round pick. Got here late because 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:04.119 he held out. His agent was arguing that he was 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.280 a first round pick. He got picked twenty eighth. Yeah, 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.360 but that year twenty eighth because the Cowboys forfeited their 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:15.440 first round pick for the supplemental draft, so there was 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.480 only twenty seven, and his agents were arguing, no, he's 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.400 got to make first round money. He was the twenty 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:24.199 eighth right now they're going sorry, it says twenty seven 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:28.720 here he's the first and he had all the speed 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.960 in the world, but he just couldn't master playing wide receiver. 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:35.359 And see that's the difference. I remember Jake Gaither talking 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:39.359 about Bob Hayes. You know, he said, look, guys, just 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.280 because he's fast, that doesn't mean he's a track guy. 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.040 He is a football player. Yeah, that runs. And the 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:48.880 difference is the muscles in the legs. When you look 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:51.840 at track guys, they always went straight ahead. Everything's just 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:55.359 straight ahead. But we're talking about football player. You're talking 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.680 later movement and talking about boast, quick boasting, going straight. 0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:00.680 Here's a quick, funny story, sorry for you, and we'll 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:06.960 get it. Go to break Um Washington, the track star. 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:11.000 He played for the Oakland A's. I can't think of 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:14.560 his first name, and he basically was They basically brought 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:19.480 him in to be a pinch runner. And I remember 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:22.920 one time he got to first base. He was playing 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:26.320 the White Sox and Dick Allen was the first baseman 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:30.440