WEBVTT - One Mistake, and He'll Fall To His Death ... LIVE on Netflix 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:10.319 Hey there, folks. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.760 It is Friday, January twenty third, and one of the 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:20.480 most exciting, thrilling, edge of your seats events happening tonight 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:25.439 live on Netflix. And I really hope they cancel that 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.440 shit before it starts. And with that, welcome to this 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:29.560 episode of Amy and TJ Roads. One of the tallest 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:31.080 buildings in the world is going to be climbed by 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.519 one of the best climbers in the world. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.000 No ropes, no safety. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:38.320 Yes, I am super excited. Alex Hunnold is going to 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:43.600 free solo typey one oh one live tonight. This will 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:49.200 be the highest and the biggest urban free solo ever 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.120 and it is going to be broadcast live around the world. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:54.920 Do this at eight pm. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.440 Tonight on Netflix Eastern Time. It'll be nine am in 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.120 Taipei local time. There will be a ten second delay. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.840 There will be a viewer discretion advisory put up before 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:07.840 this begins. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.240 And a lot of people have a lot of thoughts. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.400 On this event, so oh right, first, remind people how tall. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.639 It's one of the top ten eleven buildings and tallest 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:18.200 billings in the world. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:18.480 Right. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.839 It stands at one thousand, six hundred and sixty seven 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.759 feet and at one point it was the tallest building 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:25.959 in the world, but. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.039 It got it. It's been up since two thousand and four. 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:29.319 Two thousand and four was when it. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.399 Yes, Okay, so couple things here, folks. First of all, 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.520 Alex Honald. If you don't recognize the name immediately as 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.400 soon as I say don wall free solo, you'll. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.280 Go, oh, the guy who was in that Oscar movie. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.440 Yes, Alex Hanald is the guy on the only guy 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.320 on planet Earth to climb what is considered maybe the 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.440 toughest climb on planet Earth. And he did it without 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.800 a rope, the Dawn Wall at Yosemite. You cannot explain. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:03.360 I think it's the greatest human athletic achievement ever ever 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.400 because one mistake and you did it. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:06.920 It's funny. 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.800 As I was researching this story, they said, when it 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.120 comes to free soloing, there is a one hundred percent 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.840 death rate if you fall, and that is sobering to 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.720 hear that. It makes sense, but to hear it put 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:23.960 like that is I mean, I get chills actually just 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:25.520 saying it and thinking about it. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.560 So that's what he's doing tonight, folks. One wrong move, 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:33.120 one slip, he's dead. He is climbing a seventeen hundred 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:38.160 foot building with nothing attached to him, folks made. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:38.919 Of steel and glass. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.200 And he even has talked about how it's very different 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.680 than climbing a rock because it's just a different texture, 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.000 a different way of gripping, a different way of everything. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.519 And so he has spent the last three months training 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.040 for this live event. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.119 Doesn't sound like a doesn't sound like a long time 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:56.480 of training. 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:57.200 No, And get this. 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:01.280 In one recent interview he gave, the interviewer asked how 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:06.000 many times have you climbed it and in preparation and 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:07.680 he said two or three times? 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.680 What do you mean two or three? He doesn't remember 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:10.800 if he climbed. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.360 It two or three times fully from the bottom all 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.080 the way up to the top. Now, he did these 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:19.520 climbs with ropes, that's the distinction. So this will be 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:23.080 the first time he does it without any sort of 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:24.720 protective gear or ropes. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.760 So why is he doing this? This is just what 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.960 these guys do. We understand. But to your point about robes, 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.800 this is different and it could be more challenging because 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.480 it's so much repetition. It's the same surface. He has 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.720 to do the same moves, the same way versus when 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.240 you're climbing out in nature on a rock. You have 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.080 some technical aspects. You have to plan your route. Sometimes 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.400 this foothole is different from that handhole, all kinds of 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.040 different stuff. He has to be focused for a couple 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.080 of hours doing those same thing in repetition. I don't 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.240 know how folks how to get people in the mindset 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.600 for how mind boggling what he's about to do. 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.200 Is, and just what you have to overcome in terms 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:09.240 of fear and any kind of trepidation, anything mentally that 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.600 washes over you at any point can. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:13.560 Completely throw you. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.520 I mean, you have to have the most unbelievable focus 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.719 in concentration that I cannot even imagine. Now, this building 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.120 has one hundred and one floors, and they say that 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:25.840 the hardest part is. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:27.120 The middle of the building. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:27.960 It looks weird. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:32.440 It's sixty four floors that have what they call it 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:33.640 bamboo boxes. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:35.480 And if you go look up this. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.800 Building type one on one, it has a very specific 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.280 look to it you'll understand what those bamboo boxes are. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:45.800 It gives the building its look a very detailed look. 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:51.080 But there are eight segments and eight floors of steep 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.839 overhanging climbing followed by a balcony. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:54.640 I don't want to see that. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.599 And then Donald, can you can rest on that balcony 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.400 and then keep going up. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:04.039 Having to climb at an angle backwards and then come 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.159 over the little ledge and rest and has to do that? 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.440 How many times? You just eight? Eight? So that god Alex. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.640 Got And here's his quote what he thinks or what 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.160 he's anticipating. He says, quote, I don't think it will 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:17.080 be that extreme. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:18.080 We'll see. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.680 I think it's the perfect sweet spot where it's hard 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:25.240 enough to be engaging for me and obviously an interesting climb. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:26.440 He knows what he's doing. 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.880 Obviously he is a stud at this literally the best 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:30.920 in the world. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.360 Nobody has ever done what he's done on the Dawn Wall. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.680 That thing is what two and a half times the 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.240 size of the Empire State Building. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.120 Give give you some contexts. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.840 Stack the Empire State Building up two and a half 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.920 times and then let this guy go out there and 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:49.640 climb it without a rope. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:51.839 That is what he did at the Dawn Wall. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.520 The feet he pulled off. I'm telling Robes this stop. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.320 I want him to stop. It's too intense, it's too much, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.960 and it's too days and look the dawnwall. I get 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.280 you're a climber, but you're also a single man. When 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:08.160 you did that shit, I just personally I am terrified 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.280 to the point I'm not sure if. 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:10.640 I'll watch it. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.719 I guess I'll be watching solo because I am definitely 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.359 watching this and speaking of just the spectacle that it 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.840 will be. Yes, and we'll talk a little bit more 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.400 about what Hanld has done to prepare, but think about 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.960 even just capturing this from a production standpoint, from a 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.960 live television production standpoint, They've talked about what's gone into that. 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.840 So cameramen are going to be positioned. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:40.960 Inside the building at various places to bail during the climb, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:42.880 just in case they need to. And then they're going 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.880 to have four high angle camera operators who will be 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:50.760 suspended on ropes to capture him in this climb. So, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.360 I mean, just that's a whole other aspect of it, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.400 Just the fact that they want to give viewers at 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.680 home all the different angles of what he's doing and 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.120 where he is on the building. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.520 Well, I mean when he did the dawn roll, Jimmy Chin, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.640 another great climber, won the Oscar But same thing, they 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.320 have to climb it as well, but they're doing it 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.800 at ropes. Now that's a tough feed anyway. You're climbing 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.000 the dawn wall with equipment. You got a camera, you 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.880 gotta shoot everything. They talked about how scary it was 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:18.720 for them, and the discussions they had to have. We're 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.160 right there with him. What do we do if he falls? 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:26.320 Do we film? How do we do? And ethically are 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.320 we okay watching him put his life on the line 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:30.400 like this and document it? 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.840 Sweetheart? This is I mean, this is so uncomfortable. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:36.320 You really don't think you're gonna watch? 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.240 Really, I don't know if I roll up. This is 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.640 so so uncomfortable. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.600 Given one mistake, Folks, there's no name another thing you 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.560 can do on this planet that if you make one mistake, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.120 you die. When you talk about adventurers or hikers or 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:56.760 even climbing everest, yes, people fall. People die from other elements. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:01.800 They're even race car driving. You have an accident, you can. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.400 One mistake, robes you cannot survive. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.840 If he gets above how many feet is it a 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:07.000 fall he can't survive. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:08.400 I don't know the answer to that. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.840 But not that far, not that far, maybe ten stories, 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:17.000 five stories, not long his life is going to be 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.480 on the line with every move he makes for how 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:21.600 many hours are supposed to take. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.000 So here's someone has climbed this before. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.520 One other person has climbed It was a French climber 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.680 for the opening on Christmas Day and he did it 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.600 with ropes and protective gear. Elaine Robert. He's a famous 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:38.160 French rock climber. But it took him nearly four hours 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.280 to climb. He said it was twice as long as 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.480 he anticipated. He thought he could do it in two hours. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.360 He ended up doing it in four hours, again with 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.760 ropes and protective gear. And we'll get into some of 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.760 the betting. But people are they believe that he'll be 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.080 able to get up to the top within ninety minutes, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.600 so an hour and a half. But there obviously are 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.200 lots of factors in play. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:01.480 Now. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.640 The weather right now looks like it's in his favor. 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.000 So this will all take place at nine am local 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.360 time in Taipei. The weather is said to be sixty 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.040 two degrees and partly cloudy. That's pretty dang perfect, and 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.440 there's just a twenty percent chance of rain. The rain 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.320 chances increased by one pm and by all accounts he'll 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:21.880 be more than finished by then. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:25.959 Yeah, well'd you say ten second delay? And then they 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:30.319 have to do that obviously. But I just I used 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.640 to get excited. I used to be thrilled, and we 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.640 haven't even said. I have spent time with Alex Donald 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.320 and a lot of these climbers, and people look at him. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:38.800 I don't. 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.319 I don't look at him and have any criticism and think, Wow, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:43.640 this guy's a daredevil. 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:43.719 He's push you. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.280 No, not none of that, because talking to these are 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.679 the safest dude you meet. They take every safety precaution. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:54.000 They're not thrill seeking, fearless. I have no fear of 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.480 death kind of guys. No, these are just guys good 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:57.760 at what they do. They love what they do. They 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.920 have a great hobby, and they've decided to continue to 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:01.760 challenge themselves, challenge each other. 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:03.120 I get that. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.880 I'm talking as a human being who has met another 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.080 human being who is now a father, and he is 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.520 now a father, and I'm just looking at it that way. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:12.520 It's weird. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.200 But Alex, my god, you support not root for you. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.920 But Jesus christ, Ah, Well. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.120 When we come back, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.840 actually talk about that. We're gonna talk about what Alex 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.440 has said about his wife, Sanny and his two children, 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:33.840 because that was not in play before, and how long. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:35.840 He thinks it's going to take him to make it up. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.920 But there are a lot of ethical concerns and we'll 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:38.840 get into those as well. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.640 All Right, we continue here on Amy and TJ on 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.679 this what should be an exciting day, right, everybody anticipating 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.600 you obviously you got Netflix. Every time you turn on 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.959 you see the advertisement up there Fry live event Alex 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:03.000 Hanold Free. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.320 Solo one of the tallest buildings in the world. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:07.520 And you're not gonna watch. 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:08.760 I don't know if I will pay. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.040 I am absolutely gonna watch. I do feel notts in 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.280 my stomach just thinking about it. And yes, there are 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:19.800 legitimate ethical concerns about what he is attempting on a 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:24.640 live broadcast, and there are concerns about why he wants 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:29.400 to do this now as a father and as a husband. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.160 And there is the other concern about what this seeing 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:38.560 something like this live on international television. Who it could 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:45.400 influence to try certain very dangerous, risky behavior. So this 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.000 could embolden younger climbers to take on projects or to 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.040 take on risks that they wouldn't have otherwise because it 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.120 looks cool and they want to be like Alex Hannold. 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:55.800 Can you start with the family stuff. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.880 Yes, I don't think he should be criticized at all 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.360 because you shouldn't do this because you have a family. No, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.280 I don't think that now personally I can feel that, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.440 but a criticism his way for doing that. He made 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.960 this decision. She knew who she married, she knew who 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.199 she was getting into. She's probably known about this climb 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:11.520 for who knows how long. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.520 She chose to have children with him, knowing all of 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:13.920 the above. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:18.360 And look, war correspondents get thrown into this as well. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.160 They'll say, why would you go and cover a war 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.200 if you have children at home? Yes, people can throw shade, 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:23.320 But here is what he said. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:24.079 Specifically. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:25.679 The New York Times actually did a one on one 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.800 with him, and he said this about his wife, Sanny. Well, 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.760 she's stressed about the event side of it, like the spectacle. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.840 She's worried about all the public commentary. I don't think 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.160 she's worried about the actual climate, lest go. So that's 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.520 what he said now about being a husband and a dad. Wait, 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.760 you hear this exchange, I want to really get your 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.920 take on this, he says. Honestly, I don't think the 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.560 calculus has changed that much because I never wanted to die, 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.760 which is why I put so much effort into the 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.720 preparation and training. I mean, implicit in the question is 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:57.960 that I have more to live for. And yet I 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.400 do have more to live for, and I'm I'm still 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.840 doing my very best to not die. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:04.480 Here's the follow up from the reporter. 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.560 But it's not just that you have more to live for, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.319 it's that your loss would be felt in a deep 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.640 way for more than just Sannie. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.600 Here is what Alex Hunholdt said, kind of. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:20.760 I mean baby Alice wouldn't remember, Baby June probably wouldn't remember. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.439 She'll be four in another month. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.480 It would be felt, and obviously it would be super 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.280 hard for Sanny, but they'll be well provided for. I 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.720 don't feel like I'd be leaving them in the lurch. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.840 They wouldn't even necessarily be traumatized their whole life. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.599 So let me tell you this ropes. I sat with 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:38.720 him for a couple of hours. That is an exact 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:44.200 Alex Hanneld answer. He is as stone, even keeled, calculated 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.120 in what he does. He calculates risks, he calculates rewards, 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.959 He calculates in a very practical way. That is an 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.079 absolute Alex Hannold answer. I hadn't seen that before this moment. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:54.480 It is. 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.760 It made my jaw drop. There's no emotion in it whatsoever. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.160 I'm not saying he's an unemotional guy, some robot, but 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.800 I'm saying the way his mind works. And as I'm 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.640 sitting in front of him talking about the dawn Wall 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:06.839 and what he did and I'm on the edge of 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.560 my seat and going crazy and whatnot, he was as chill. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.000 Yes it was technical that he was just technical. And yes, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.440 I'm not surprised that he looks at this in a 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.640 technical way because quite technically. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.160 She's probably not gonna remember me. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.960 Yeah, she'll grow up with won't have her dad around, 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:24.760 but she's not gonna now the four year old. 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.480 It might hear her. That is, he gave a literal, 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.840 unemotional answer that. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.640 Sounds I'd love to hear his wedding vows. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.200 You know what. He probably cried, No, No. 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:40.400 He probably just repeated what the efficient told him to say. 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.040 It. A lot of people do that, by the way, 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:43.440 But look if. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.240 You haven't seen free solo In fact, I kind of 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:49.239 want to rewatch it now because he is he is very. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.360 Logical, he's different, he's built different. 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.840 Do what he is attempting to do and what he 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.760 has already done. If you didn't have that mindset, you 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:03.000 just couldn't put You couldn't risk it. Even if there 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.200 was a minuscule chance, and there's more than a minuscule 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:05.960 chance here. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:07.640 You still couldn't do it. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.880 And here's the consideration about the influence he has on 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.120 younger clim climbers is legit. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.360 Look, I tried to find a number. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.280 There isn't a number out there about how many climbers 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.960 have died free soloing, because they're not all big spectacles 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.120 and it's hard to get an actual tally. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.440 But they say it's a lot. It's a lot. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.080 Oh yeah, they just said there's a pretty significant number. 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.280 And there was just this past June. Do you remember 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.040 the eighteen year old who fell in Yosemite. Oh, the 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.160 climber No and his mother talked about how it was 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.000 his dream. It was he was eighteen years old, he 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.760 loved Alex Hanold. He fell to his death in Texas. 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:48.240 It was last June at Yosemite. 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.240 And then there's this trend called rooftopping. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.920 They said, were people, yes, get access to the tops 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.280 of skyscrapers and then they take photos of themselves dangling 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.880 from the edge, and that has led to multiple deaths. 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:02.120 But there is real concern that. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.480 Look, anyone who is an avid climber or is thinking 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.280 about taking that next step to free soloing, they see 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.040 something like this and they think, if he can do what, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:10.640 I can do it. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.560 And it's not necessarily true. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:14.880 But we have to look at it the other way. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.240 We see him and why should he not be an 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:21.160 inspiration for someone overcoming fear who is training. If you 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.480 look into it, he is an inspiration. I'm telling you, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.640 you sit with this guy, you will be inspired by him, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.880 his story, his discipline, Oh my goodness. Yes, to show 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.640 climbing in this way, to let it be a big event, 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.240 to show how good he is, I think that is 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.040 a great showcase. Yes, there are idiots out there. There 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.920 are idiots out there who watch a NASCAR race and 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.760 go out into the street and try to do those moves. Yes, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.640 it's that part's going to happen. I understand that concern. 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:50.680 My question I don't know if you've seen I'm sorry 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:51.960 if I put you on the spot here Rod just 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.320 about the why the country would agree to this, like 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.680 why he would be allowed to do something like this 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.880 or one of their buildings. They must have some incentive 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:01.960 be getting something out of it. Maybe it's just the 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:02.680 attention I think. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.959 I don't I didn't read anywhere what their motivation or 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.400 how they were incentivized to allow this to take place. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.040 But I'm sure it's nice to have all. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.080 Eyes on your city, your beautiful building that you're very 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.639 proud of, and so everyone will be watching, all eyes 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:17.640 will be on Taipei. I can't think of another reason 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.399 why that would happen in the world except for this event. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.000 And look, I know you're not surprised that Vegas is 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.920 betting on all of this. There are there are bets 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:27.640 on his fate. 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.520 On they're betting on his life, as. 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.879 There are bets on his fate, and there are bets 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.040 on his completion time. And so the odds suggest he 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:36.320 will do it in seventy five. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:37.440 What are the odds on. 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.879 I didn't see that. I actually didn't want to google that. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.880 In fact, it was what I read. It was very tasteful. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.320 They just said there are bets on his fate. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.359 But they're official, official line, like a Vegas line on 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:49.320 that there are. 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.399 They named the the houses that were taking those bets. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.200 And so, yes, I want to ask you a question, 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.680 do you think? And I part of. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.520 The reason, or a big part of the reason you 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.280 might not watch is because you know him, because you 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.280 met him, because you sat down with him, because I 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.080 guess it would be tragic. But I don't feel that 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.200 personal connection because I didn't. Actually, when you know someone, 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.280 when you've talked with them, when you've looked in their eyes, 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:14.479 it feels different. 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.520 Okay maybe, And you've heard me talk about this for 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.760 years and you've been on air with me when I'm 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:23.960 live hanging dangling off a cliff. I got into climbing 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:28.240 at ABC and Alex and Jimmy Chen took me and 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:32.080 Conrad anchor Kevin Jeorges, the best climbers in the world 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.240 I have been lucky enough to climb with. So I 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.360 feel I shouldn't say a sense of community, but some 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.360 sense of connection to these guys and what they do 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:44.840 and to see that, And yes, Alex is I am 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.840 not excited about it. I'm just not I do if 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.520 they I hope it rains and they canceled the Sam thing. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.840 He's excited about it, I know, and I'm. 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.080