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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Friday, January twenty third, and one of the

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Speaker 2: most exciting, thrilling, edge of your seats events happening tonight

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Speaker 2: live on Netflix. And I really hope they cancel that

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Speaker 2: shit before it starts. And with that, welcome to this

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Speaker 2: episode of Amy and TJ Roads. One of the tallest

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Speaker 2: buildings in the world is going to be climbed by

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Speaker 2: one of the best climbers in the world.

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Speaker 1: No ropes, no safety.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am super excited. Alex Hunnold is going to

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Speaker 3: free solo typey one oh one live tonight. This will

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Speaker 3: be the highest and the biggest urban free solo ever

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Speaker 3: and it is going to be broadcast live around the world.

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Speaker 4: Do this at eight pm.

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Speaker 3: Tonight on Netflix Eastern Time. It'll be nine am in

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Speaker 3: Taipei local time. There will be a ten second delay.

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Speaker 3: There will be a viewer discretion advisory put up before

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Speaker 3: this begins.

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Speaker 4: And a lot of people have a lot of thoughts.

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Speaker 2: On this event, so oh right, first, remind people how tall.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the top ten eleven buildings and tallest

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Speaker 2: billings in the world.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: It stands at one thousand, six hundred and sixty seven

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Speaker 3: feet and at one point it was the tallest building

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Speaker 3: in the world, but.

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Speaker 1: It got it. It's been up since two thousand and four.

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Speaker 4: Two thousand and four was when it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, so couple things here, folks. First of all,

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Speaker 2: Alex Honald. If you don't recognize the name immediately as

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Speaker 2: soon as I say don wall free solo, you'll.

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Speaker 1: Go, oh, the guy who was in that Oscar movie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Alex Hanald is the guy on the only guy

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Speaker 2: on planet Earth to climb what is considered maybe the

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Speaker 2: toughest climb on planet Earth. And he did it without

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Speaker 2: a rope, the Dawn Wall at Yosemite. You cannot explain.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the greatest human athletic achievement ever ever

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Speaker 2: because one mistake and you did it.

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Speaker 4: It's funny.

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Speaker 3: As I was researching this story, they said, when it

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Speaker 3: comes to free soloing, there is a one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: death rate if you fall, and that is sobering to

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Speaker 3: hear that. It makes sense, but to hear it put

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Speaker 3: like that is I mean, I get chills actually just

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Speaker 3: saying it and thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: So that's what he's doing tonight, folks. One wrong move,

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Speaker 2: one slip, he's dead. He is climbing a seventeen hundred

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Speaker 4: Of steel and glass.

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Speaker 3: And he even has talked about how it's very different

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Speaker 3: than climbing a rock because it's just a different texture,

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Speaker 3: a different way of gripping, a different way of everything.

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Speaker 3: And so he has spent the last three months training

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Speaker 3: for this live event.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like a doesn't sound like a long time

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Speaker 1: of training.

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Speaker 4: No, And get this.

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Speaker 3: In one recent interview he gave, the interviewer asked how

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Speaker 3: many times have you climbed it and in preparation and

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Speaker 3: he said two or three times?

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Speaker 4: What do you mean two or three? He doesn't remember

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Speaker 4: if he climbed.

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Speaker 3: It two or three times fully from the bottom all

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Speaker 3: the way up to the top. Now, he did these

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Speaker 3: climbs with ropes, that's the distinction. So this will be

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Speaker 2: So why is he doing this? This is just what

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Speaker 2: these guys do. We understand. But to your point about robes,

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Speaker 2: this is different and it could be more challenging because

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Speaker 2: it's so much repetition. It's the same surface. He has

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Speaker 2: to do the same moves, the same way versus when

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Speaker 2: you're climbing out in nature on a rock. You have

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Speaker 2: some technical aspects. You have to plan your route. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: this foothole is different from that handhole, all kinds of

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Speaker 2: different stuff. He has to be focused for a couple

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Speaker 2: of hours doing those same thing in repetition. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how folks how to get people in the mindset

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Speaker 3: Is, and just what you have to overcome in terms

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Speaker 4: Completely throw you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you have to have the most unbelievable focus

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Speaker 3: in concentration that I cannot even imagine. Now, this building

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Speaker 4: The middle of the building.

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Speaker 1: It looks weird.

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Speaker 3: It's sixty four floors that have what they call it

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Speaker 4: And if you go look up this.

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Speaker 3: Building type one on one, it has a very specific

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Speaker 3: look to it you'll understand what those bamboo boxes are.

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Speaker 3: It gives the building its look a very detailed look.

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Speaker 3: But there are eight segments and eight floors of steep

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see that.

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Speaker 3: And then Donald, can you can rest on that balcony

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Speaker 2: Having to climb at an angle backwards and then come

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Speaker 1: How many times? You just eight? Eight? So that god Alex.

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Speaker 3: Got And here's his quote what he thinks or what

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Speaker 4: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the perfect sweet spot where it's hard

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Speaker 3: enough to be engaging for me and obviously an interesting climb.

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Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: Obviously he is a stud at this literally the best

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Speaker 1: Nobody has ever done what he's done on the Dawn Wall.

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Speaker 2: That thing is what two and a half times the

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Speaker 2: size of the Empire State Building.

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Speaker 1: Give give you some contexts.

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Speaker 2: Stack the Empire State Building up two and a half

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Speaker 2: times and then let this guy go out there and

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Speaker 1: That is what he did at the Dawn Wall.

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Speaker 2: The feet he pulled off. I'm telling Robes this stop.

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Speaker 2: I want him to stop. It's too intense, it's too much,

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Speaker 2: and it's too days and look the dawnwall. I get

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Speaker 2: you're a climber, but you're also a single man. When

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Speaker 2: you did that shit, I just personally I am terrified

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Speaker 2: to the point I'm not sure if.

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Speaker 1: I'll watch it.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'll be watching solo because I am definitely

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Speaker 3: watching this and speaking of just the spectacle that it

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Speaker 3: will be. Yes, and we'll talk a little bit more

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Speaker 3: about what Hanld has done to prepare, but think about

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Speaker 3: even just capturing this from a production standpoint, from a

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Speaker 4: So cameramen are going to be positioned.

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Speaker 3: just in case they need to. And then they're going

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Speaker 3: to have four high angle camera operators who will be

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Speaker 3: I mean, just that's a whole other aspect of it,

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Speaker 3: Just the fact that they want to give viewers at

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean when he did the dawn roll, Jimmy Chin,

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Speaker 2: another great climber, won the Oscar But same thing, they

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Speaker 2: have to climb it as well, but they're doing it

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Speaker 2: at ropes. Now that's a tough feed anyway. You're climbing

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Speaker 2: the dawn wall with equipment. You got a camera, you

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Speaker 2: gotta shoot everything. They talked about how scary it was

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Speaker 2: right there with him. What do we do if he falls?

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Speaker 2: Do we film? How do we do? And ethically are

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Speaker 2: we okay watching him put his life on the line

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Speaker 2: like this and document it?

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Speaker 1: Sweetheart? This is I mean, this is so uncomfortable.

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Speaker 4: You really don't think you're gonna watch?

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Speaker 1: Really, I don't know if I roll up. This is

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Speaker 2: Given one mistake, Folks, there's no name another thing you

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Speaker 2: can do on this planet that if you make one mistake,

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Speaker 2: you die. When you talk about adventurers or hikers or

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Speaker 2: even climbing everest, yes, people fall. People die from other elements.

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Speaker 2: They're even race car driving. You have an accident, you can.

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Speaker 4: One mistake, robes you cannot survive.

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Speaker 2: If he gets above how many feet is it a

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Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that.

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Speaker 2: But not that far, not that far, maybe ten stories,

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Speaker 4: So here's someone has climbed this before.

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Speaker 3: One other person has climbed It was a French climber

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Speaker 3: for the opening on Christmas Day and he did it

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Speaker 3: with ropes and protective gear. Elaine Robert. He's a famous

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Speaker 3: ropes and protective gear. And we'll get into some of

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Speaker 3: the betting. But people are they believe that he'll be

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Speaker 3: The weather right now looks like it's in his favor.

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Speaker 3: So this will all take place at nine am local

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Speaker 3: time in Taipei. The weather is said to be sixty

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Speaker 3: there's just a twenty percent chance of rain. The rain

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well'd you say ten second delay? And then they

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Speaker 2: have to do that obviously. But I just I used

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Speaker 2: haven't even said. I have spent time with Alex Donald

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Speaker 2: and a lot of these climbers, and people look at him.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't look at him and have any criticism and think, Wow,

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Speaker 2: this guy's a daredevil.

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Speaker 1: He's push you.

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Speaker 2: No, not none of that, because talking to these are

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Speaker 2: the safest dude you meet. They take every safety precaution.

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Speaker 2: They're not thrill seeking, fearless. I have no fear of

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Speaker 2: death kind of guys. No, these are just guys good

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Speaker 2: at what they do. They love what they do. They

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Speaker 2: have a great hobby, and they've decided to continue to

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Speaker 2: challenge themselves, challenge each other.

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Speaker 1: I get that.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking as a human being who has met another

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Speaker 2: human being who is now a father, and he is

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Speaker 1: It's weird.

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Speaker 2: But Alex, my god, you support not root for you.

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Speaker 2: But Jesus christ, Ah, Well.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: actually talk about that. We're gonna talk about what Alex

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Speaker 3: has said about his wife, Sanny and his two children,

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Speaker 3: because that was not in play before, and how long.

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Speaker 4: He thinks it's going to take him to make it up.

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Speaker 3: But there are a lot of ethical concerns and we'll

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Speaker 3: get into those as well.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we continue here on Amy and TJ on

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Speaker 2: this what should be an exciting day, right, everybody anticipating

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Speaker 2: you obviously you got Netflix. Every time you turn on

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Speaker 3: The New York Times actually did a one on one

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: It made my jaw drop. There's no emotion in it whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Yes it was technical that he was just technical. And yes,

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Speaker 1: She's probably not gonna remember me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she'll grow up with won't have her dad around,

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Speaker 1: It might hear her. That is, he gave a literal,

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Speaker 4: Sounds I'd love to hear his wedding vows.

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Speaker 1: You know what. He probably cried, No, No.

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Speaker 3: He probably just repeated what the efficient told him to say.

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Speaker 1: It. A lot of people do that, by the way,

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Speaker 3: You haven't seen free solo In fact, I kind of

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Speaker 2: Logical, he's different, he's built different.

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Speaker 3: Do what he is attempting to do and what he

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Speaker 3: And here's the consideration about the influence he has on

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Speaker 4: Look, I tried to find a number.

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Speaker 3: There isn't a number out there about how many climbers

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Speaker 4: But they say it's a lot. It's a lot.

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Speaker 3: Look, anyone who is an avid climber or is thinking

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Speaker 4: And it's not necessarily true.

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Speaker 2: But we have to look at it the other way.

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Speaker 2: his story, his discipline, Oh my goodness. Yes, to show

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Speaker 2: My question I don't know if you've seen I'm sorry

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Speaker 4: But I'm sure it's nice to have all.

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Speaker 3: There are bets on his fate, and there are bets

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Speaker 2: Okay maybe, And you've heard me talk about this for

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Speaker 4: He's excited about it, I know, and I'm.

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Speaker 2: But my god, maybe that's it robes. I just I

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Speaker 2: He is he is a special, special guy who I

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Speaker 2: And so yes, tonight, I know we got a little

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. You'll probably pull me into.

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Speaker 3: By the way, he did say he wouldn't say exactly

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Speaker 3: is how he put it. He said, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: Even that was Alex hannod answer. Would most people kind

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Speaker 2: He said, Yeah, it's it's very ridiculous what I'm getting

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Speaker 3: Yes, so I just and look if he gets scared,

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Speaker 4: He said he can just go inside and use the elevator.

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Speaker 4: So he has an off ramp. Doubt he'll take it,

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Speaker 4: but he has one.

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Speaker 2: All right, folks, well gear up, get yourself ready, and

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Speaker 2: if you have a moment today, check out Alex O'Connell.

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Speaker 2: Look at Google that name, and you will just be

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Speaker 2: in awe of this young man who was about to do.

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Speaker 2: How hell is he's forty nine forty yet? But yeah,

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Speaker 2: you'll be in awe of what he has done and

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Speaker 2: certainly in awe of what he's attempting to do tonight

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Speaker 2: live on Netflix, Aid.

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Speaker 1: Houston.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, half of us will be watching watching

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Speaker 2: you guys. All Right, folks, I always appreciate you spending

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Speaker 2: other updates ready for you in our feed today, but

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Speaker 2: for now, we appreciate you spending some time with us.

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Speaker 1: On t J. Holmes on behalf of my dear Amy Rollbock.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to