1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: My name is Matt our compatriot Goal was on adventures, 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: but will return. They called me Ben. We're joined as 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: always with our super producer Alexis code name Doc Holiday Jackson, 8 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: as well as some pretty awesome thunder that we're keeping in. 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: If it's okay, Doc, we should keep these storms in. 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: I think, Uh, most importantly, you are you. You are here, 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: We are coming to you. What post tornado here in 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: our fair metropolis of Georgia. She said, No, No, the 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: episode that will probably come out around the same time 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: and not today. We are confronted yet again with our 16 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: beautiful weekly dilemma. What, out of all the crazy things 17 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: that are happening in the world today shall we cover 18 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: on our weekly strange news segment. Well, we've got our 19 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: scope or our sites aimed directly at guns and the 20 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: effects of guns. So do we want to do the 21 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: gun itself? Well, we've got a special one in there 22 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: too that has that has well we don't think has 23 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: anything to do with guns, um, but do we want 24 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: to aim at the gun itself for the effects. So 25 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: I propose we approach it this way. I like your, 26 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: like yours scope word play there, Let's hope that none 27 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: of our bullets of conversation go regrettably astray us. So 28 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: we can we can segue and foreshadow with each other, 29 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: uh in and possibly the worst way I think we start. 30 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: I think we start with the ghost and then maybe 31 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: go to the mysterious case in Kansas City, and then 32 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: maybe we end with a little bit of a maybe 33 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: not an epilogue, but a coda perhaps there using that 34 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: term correctly, I believe so, and it will Yeah, that 35 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: will work out really well. Then it will work out okay, 36 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully. Here's the scoop. Folks, whether you are an 37 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: advocate of the idea that no one should own firearms, 38 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: or whether you are consider yourself a staunch uh firearms 39 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: rights advocate, you are going to be confronted with any 40 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: number of laws and dissenting opinions. And there was one 41 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: piece of news that caught my eye recently that came 42 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: to us out of a local NBC affiliate, which is this. 43 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm just going to give the headline first. US court says, quote, 44 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: ghost gun plans can be posted online. If you don't 45 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: know what they're talking about, that sounds pretty amazing. Is 46 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: it a gun that only shoots ghosts? Is it a 47 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: gun that only ghosts can use? It's neither of those. 48 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: Those would be way cooler. Uh. It is, in fact 49 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: a ruling about three D printed self assembled ghost guns, 50 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: and we'll we'll talk about what they are and just 51 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: a bit, but for right now, what what's important to 52 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: know about this is that it is completely possible and 53 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: completely legal in many cases for you to go online 54 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: to if you have the the internet Bloodhound knows to 55 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: sniff out the right sources, you can find step by 56 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: step instructions for three D printing and assembling at home 57 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: my Kea style an actual working firearm. This is a 58 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: hot button issue for a lot of people who say 59 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: they are already too many guns. There are already too 60 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: many cases of mass shootings. Are pointing to cases of 61 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: police brutality and saying that there that we've already reached 62 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: the inundation point. And it's one that has literally deadly consequences. 63 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: So uh. For several years this was an issue of 64 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: massive concern that didn't hit the mainstream media too often, 65 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: and there are questions that needed to be answered, such as, 66 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: if Matt and I come up with our own build 67 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: it at home gun design and we we take these 68 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: step by step instructions, we make it very easy, we 69 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: post it somewhere as a PDF or something, and then 70 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: one of our friends in say Turkey or Australia, downloads 71 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: that PDF, follows the instructions and builds a firearm from 72 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: it from our heads. Basically, then have we just illegally 73 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: exported firearms? Have we like circumvented the laws that govern 74 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: arms dealing? I mean, what do you think, Matt, like 75 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: is it? Is that just giving someone a PDF? Or 76 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: is that? Does that count? Should that count as making 77 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: a firearm? Such a weird concept. I guess you can 78 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: put really any information into let's say a PDF format 79 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: or a share able linked format right where any number 80 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: of files could be stored on let's just say Dropbox 81 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: or a Google Drive or something like that, or even 82 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: using Amazon's web service, you store fire out somewhere and 83 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: then just link them all in a specific order inside 84 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: a document, and you couldn't make a lot of different 85 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: things you could have as we've seen before, you know, 86 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: everything from leaked information about a government's dealings too. I 87 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: guess in this case, plans to build a dag um gun, uh, 88 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: that it's weird, man. I would say, if you're going 89 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: to compare it to you know, physically doing arms deals 90 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: across borders, I don't think it's the same thing, because 91 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: it is just the information you need to produce something 92 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: if you have the means of production. But if because 93 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: that's it's not always just plans to then three D 94 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: print it. There are some companies that will sell you 95 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: the individual parts who would like three D print them 96 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: themselves and then sell you that party. That I think 97 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: is a completely different scenario. Yeah, yeah, it's true. Be warned, 98 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: of course, for anybody buying those parts, you have to 99 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: remember they have they run the gamut of quality, and 100 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: if you're if you're using uh, if you're using real 101 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: ammo or something like that, you want to be very sure, 102 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: very sure that the gun will not explode in your hand. 103 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: So this this wide variety and quality comes from an 104 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: overall lack of regulation. One of the big draws for 105 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: some people. Is the lack of a serial number or 106 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: registration for a ghost gun. Not the stereotype, but you 107 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: can imagine why that has a draw for some people, 108 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: and you can imagine what at least some of them 109 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: are hoping to get up to. The Lack of a 110 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: serial number is also a huge concern for people who 111 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: are gun control advocates, and also for people who think 112 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: a serial number system for guns is in general idea 113 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: like you can't drive a car without a VN a 114 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: vehicle identification number. And this is this is why I 115 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: was thinking about free comparison. Imagine, ah, imagine if instead 116 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: of making a PDF to build a firearm, you and 117 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: I made a god It would be the longest freaking PDF. 118 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: We made a series of PDFs about how to build 119 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: a car, and we're like, this, this is a car 120 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: can make yourself. Um, here the parts you can print 121 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: on your own three D printer. Here, the parts you 122 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: can just uh scoop up at a nearby junk yard 123 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: or something like that. However, however we would simplify it. 124 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: Then you'll have a car that could objectively drive. Let's 125 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: say that we were somehow really good at this PDF 126 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: and uh, and then we would run into an immediate problem, 127 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: which is that in the majority of countries, just having 128 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: a car that drives is not uh good enough to 129 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: legally drive it. You have to have you have to 130 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: have numerous amounts of paperwork, insurance, proof of ownership, you 131 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: have to have paid here in the US tags title 132 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: registration fees. So you can't just get out on the well, 133 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: you can get out on the open road, but eventually 134 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: someone's gonna pull you over and be like, hey, I 135 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: thought you were cool. Yeah, that was exactly gonna be 136 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: my point. Then you could get away with it for 137 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: a certain amount of time. There are many people in 138 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: the in the United States that get away with driving 139 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: unregistered vehicles for a lengthy period of time, maybe sometimes 140 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: just for a few hours. It just depends on luck 141 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: at that point where you are, where you go, and 142 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: who is also on the road that has a badge 143 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: or some kind of or even a cell phone, you know, 144 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: that could take a picture of your clearly unregistered vehicle, 145 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: maybe even without a license plate. But in this case 146 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about something much smaller, something that sometimes is 147 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: purposefully concealed and as you said, meant to get up 148 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: to perhaps not the most up and up activity, right, 149 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: perhaps not the most scrupulous of endeavors. This trick doesn't 150 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: actually work. But I'm sure a lot of us in 151 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: the audience today know at least someone who said, what 152 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: if I just write tag applied for and stick it 153 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: on the back of my car, that'll get me. That'll 154 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: give me a little ways. Right. You can't do that 155 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: with a gun. You can't say, you know, sorry, hey, sorry, 156 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: I know this a k looks a little sketchy. But 157 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: if you'll observe officers from alcohol, tobacco and firearms. Uh, 158 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: there is a post it note here on the stock 159 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: that says serial number applied for. Yeah, so you've applied 160 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: for a serial serial number for this weapon. Also, don't 161 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: they usually come on the thing? Yeah? I think that's 162 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: why I got such a deal. Actually I did. I 163 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: know the paperwork would be a hassle. But and then 164 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, someone is like, excuse me, gentlemen, this is 165 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: a Wendy's Because that's that's the joke that theater net loves. 166 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: Apparently that's where all the weird conversations happen today. And 167 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: here's al we break it down. So traditionally, any firearm 168 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: that you were going to run into, unless it's absolutely 169 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: homemade and improvised. Device is going to be made by 170 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: licensed companies, and then it's going to be bought from 171 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: gun dealers who also have a license. Every single gun 172 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: manufactured in the US, as well as those that are 173 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: imported from other countries, are required to have that serial number. 174 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: You're typically going to find it on the back of 175 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: the frame. A ghost gun is not this because a 176 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: ghost gun has this clever little loophole. It is manufactured 177 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: in parts, and these parts are simplistic enough that they 178 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: can be assembled at home by the astute and studious 179 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: buyer of the parts. They're not buying a gun, that's 180 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: the thing. It's like that, you know, we've referenced it before, 181 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: but it's like that Vanilla Ice moment in vh Ones 182 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: behind the music where he's trying to say he didn't 183 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: rip off a beat, remember that. It's like, it's different. 184 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: What what was that song? Was under pressure? It is 185 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: under pressure, and so we say it's not the same song. 186 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: It's a different song. And that's kind of what's happening 187 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: with ghost guns because they're saying these are d I 188 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: Y kits and again, this this um, the situation right 189 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: is something that you should pay attention to, regardless of 190 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: how you feel about the Second Amendment or about burying 191 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: arms in general. Another big thing is that you don't 192 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: need a background check because you're buying components of the 193 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: thing and not the thing. It's so they're usually sold 194 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: as these online d I y Kits, and often, at 195 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: least per the New York Times and some other great reporting, 196 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: their ship is what are called eight percent receivers, meaning 197 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: the gun is more or less complete when you buy it. 198 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: You assemble that last fifth at last on your own. 199 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: So why are the serial number is a big deal? 200 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: Why are we talking about this in strange news? We're 201 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: talking about in strange news because that serial number is 202 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: what lets authorities trace a gun. Trace It's like chain 203 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: of ownership from the manufacturer to the dealer to the 204 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: original buyer. And ghost guns don't play that reindeer game. 205 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: They are untraceable, and they're sold because they're sold piecemeal 206 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: in parts. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, firearms, oh and explosives. 207 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: Sorry guys, you're listening in the crowd A t f uh. 208 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: They do not treat these these guns the way they 209 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: would treat traditional firearms, and they are not difficult to assemble. 210 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: You could get an a R fifteen build kit for 211 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: as little as three dred and forty five dollars. Yeah, 212 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: that's a lot cheaper than it should be. Yeah. Yeah, 213 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: And then you know what price do you put on 214 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: your time when you're hanging out with your friends and 215 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: you're having gun day, you're putting together guns? You know, 216 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: your addition, latest gossip about uh, gossip girls. I guess 217 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: that's the go too. That's I'm just talking about the 218 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: end of Ship's Creek. Everybody's sad. No, no, that's just 219 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: my house. Okay, that's right. Uh, but hey, you know 220 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking the just random thought. The serial number 221 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: on a weapon is a lot like the blockchain for 222 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: individual bitcoin. Let's say we're ethereum m m yeah. And 223 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's an interesting comparison that because I'm sure, 224 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: like you've seen in the past guns that have the 225 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: serial number filed down and that kind of stuff, and 226 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: those guns are still like that doesn't help them pass 227 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: scrutiny of a system. It's a huge red flag. Even 228 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: if you know your own personal paperwork is right, you 229 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: have a concealed carry permits, and you know, you're you're 230 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: just maybe in a regular pullover situation. You notify the officer, 231 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: I've got a firearm and I also have the you know, 232 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm legally allowed to carry it and stuff. That all 233 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: goes out the window if they because there are in 234 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: decent questions like how do you're allowed to carry a firearm? 235 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: H with the understanding that has a serial number? Officer, 236 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: I tripped and fell and this the serial number portion 237 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: of the gun just happened to scrape exactly onto the concrete. 238 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: You know the story. It's it happens all the time. 239 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to call this in. No oh yeah, 240 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: well then things go really bad. So well maybe you 241 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,119 Speaker 1: call them in, you know, and you're talking to dispatch 242 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: and dispatches having a weird day and they're like, I 243 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: believe of I don't OIO, but I do. You're actually 244 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: doing a movie reference. But so these kids are sold 245 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: partially on the basis of how easy they are to build. Like, 246 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: when you think about this, it might sound like one 247 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: of those um super long weekend projects or a whole 248 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: night or a whole week's worth of nights. But the 249 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: pitch is typically like it will take you an hour 250 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: or two and you can get on the range with 251 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: these guys thanks to our directions on how to finish 252 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: that or our helpful link to any number of YouTube tutorials. Really, 253 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: all you need is a drill. Oh, I hear it? Yeah? Okay, 254 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: sorry talking about drills. I'm listening to you. I'm just 255 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: that got a little distracted. Sorry. Is your house shaking? Yeah, 256 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: it happens every time the air pressure in this house, 257 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: which really speaks to the quality of my house. I 258 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: wonder what the serial number is on this puppy. Uh, 259 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: it's very weird. Okay, back to it all right, Well, 260 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: assuming that your house does not oh, there goes again, 261 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: Assuming that Batt's house is not destroyed in the hands 262 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: of an angry god, then we'll continue with the show. Here. 263 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: Is that what the Big Bad Wolf analogy was about? 264 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: Thunderstorms were tornadoes? Was an analogy for the weather um. Yes, 265 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: and the fairy tale was originally made by the very 266 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: first central European construction company ah and they specialized in 267 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: bricks and mortar, didn't they, and homes for pigs. The 268 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: idea of building homes as a company building homes for 269 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: humans is relatively recent. Somebody checking on this, but I 270 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: think it was nineteen seventy six. A lot of ghost 271 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: guns are also sold with what's called a jig, uh, 272 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, like the word for the little dance fits 273 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: around the frame or receiver, and this jig helps you 274 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: assemble the gun. You could think of it as it 275 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: turns the project into gun assembly for dummies, and that 276 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: means it takes down your manufacturing time or your assembly 277 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: time I should say, from like an hour or two 278 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: two as little as fifteen minutes, uh, kids to assemble. 279 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: These things have been sold since the nineteen nineties, didn't 280 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: really take off until two thousand and nine. Uh, And 281 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: really part of the reason he took off is because 282 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: California had banned assault weapons. They are fifteen s a 283 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: K forty seven's, so people are selling firearms in California 284 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: started offering these unfinished receivers to get around the law. 285 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets dangerous. Ghost guns became a more 286 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: well known problem in when one of them was linked 287 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: to a mass shooting at Santa Monica College in California. 288 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: Six people died, including the assailants, and then they started 289 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: to rise substantially around when people were trying to buy 290 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: kids to recreate firearms based on the Glock nine. And 291 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: now as we end this section, we have to ask 292 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: ourselves how prevalent are they. There is no way to know, 293 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: There is zero way to know how many year rounds, 294 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: there's no background check, there's no serial number. The best 295 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: people can guess is that interest in and purchase of 296 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: these devices is growing at an alarming rate. Yeah. Yeah, 297 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: and you'll get you'll get some statistics that seem to 298 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: differ a little bit, but you can see how many, 299 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: you know, ghost guns have been confiscated by various police 300 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: departments in various cities. Uh. In that original article we 301 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: were talking about what this number baffled me and I 302 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know if this is correct or not, 303 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: but they say this is the quote. Federal figures showed 304 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: that nearly one third of guns seized in California in 305 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: nineteen were ghost guns. One third of the guns seized 306 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: in California. Um, that's a third of the gun. That's 307 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: a lot. But I guess that's the reason that they 308 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: would be seized is for every you know, all the 309 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: reasons you already pointed out ben um, mostly because they 310 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: don't have serial numbers, and there's no way to there's 311 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: no way to toy I if the person wielding one 312 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: or having one has any right to have that gun, 313 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: just through all the any we already talked about. Well, no, 314 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're hitting these crucial points. We're gonna 315 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: pause for a word from our sponsor and as we 316 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: go into the break, folks, UM, think about this. We'd 317 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. What's your position on ghost guns? 318 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: Should they be further regulated? Is it something that you 319 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: have personal experience with. If so, why did you pick 320 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: one up? Um? And do you what do you think 321 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: they're primarily being used for? And why we'd love to 322 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: hear from you. One three three st d w y 323 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: t K Conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com. We'll 324 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: be back after the break. Okay, and we're back now 325 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: we're switching gears. We're going to now talk about the effects, 326 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: the direct effects of guns like the ghost guns we 327 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: just talked about, UM. And it comes to us in 328 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: the form of a very tragic story of a young 329 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: journalist by the name of a Viva that's a v 330 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: I v A in Kansas City, very recently there were 331 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: there was a young woman named Aviva Okasin Haberman or Haberman. 332 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: She's twenty four years old. She was working for k 333 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: c u R, which is a radio outlet, an NPR 334 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: or public radio outlet out of Kansas City, Missouri, and 335 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: she seemed to have a you know, a bright career 336 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: ahead of her. She was about to start working for 337 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: the Kansas for a different news service there in Kansas 338 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, she was discovered suffering from a gunshot wound 339 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: in her apartment there in Kansas City. Now, the reason 340 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: why we're talking about this was for there a couple 341 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: of reasons. Um. The first one is that there is 342 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a strange circumstance here, although it's 343 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: not strange at all, and that that's really why I 344 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this story today. According to all 345 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: of the reporting that I have seen online about this, uh, 346 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: this tragedy, it appears that this bullet somehow made its 347 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: way through her first story apartment window and struck her. 348 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: It's been reported in most places, if not all places, 349 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: as a stray bullet, a bullet that just happened to 350 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: enter her apartment and happened to strike her and that 351 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: is that is a serious issue, right stray bullets If 352 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: you live anywhere, just if there's stray bullet's going around, 353 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: it's a horrible situation to be in. It's deadly. The 354 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: other is that this young woman was a journalist and 355 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: she was, you know, constantly covering things like politics and 356 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: tough subjects where there are oftentimes good guys and bad 357 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: guys depending on the perspective that you hold. And it 358 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: reminded me, quite honestly, a lot of the younger journalists 359 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: that came on to work on show true crime shows 360 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: that we've been making over the past um several years 361 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: here with I heart young, very strong journalists who are 362 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: not afraid to ask hard questions. And from all the reporting, 363 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: this young person of Eva was not afraid to ask 364 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: hard questions of powerful people. And really all of that 365 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: wrapped up together is why I wanted to talk about 366 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: this Ben. So, there are a couple of scenarios here. 367 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: You know, it could have just been a stray bullet that, 368 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: in some cruel twist of fate entered her home and 369 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: struck her and she died. There's another scenario here where 370 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: someone meant for that ballo it to to hit her 371 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: um and there are a number of reasons why that could, 372 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, have happened. Every one of us lives a 373 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: complex personal life with all kinds of different things occurring. 374 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: Who knows what's going on and what was going on 375 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: in her life, but you know, everything seems to point 376 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: to stray bullet. Let's talk a little bit about what happened. 377 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: So just to jump back to this, this article comes 378 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: out of the Kansas City Star. Title of the article 379 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: is Kansas City journalist of Eva okasen have Habrman two 380 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: killed by bullet in her apartment. And you know, like, 381 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 1: is it a weird thing? Maybe it's just affecting me 382 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: Ben when when the title of an article is killed 383 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: by bullet in her apartment, it's vague and it leaves 384 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: me open to wondering what else could have happened. When 385 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: you go through the entire story here it it does 386 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: say a stray bullet in a couple of places, but 387 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: the first time it's mentioned. Listen to this statement, a 388 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: Kansas City journalist has died after being hit by a 389 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: bullet while in her apartment. There's something there's something to 390 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: that just that makes my brain go to other places 391 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: than just I don't know a circumstance. Yeah, the wording 392 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: of it, died after being hit by a bullet. This 393 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: is not to make light of it, but the reporting 394 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: of it feels like it incorporates some ambiguity. It's and 395 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, that's good journalism because you don't want to 396 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: especially in someone's life is the subject of the story. 397 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: You don't want to editorialize. You don't want to say 398 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: anything other than what you know to be absolutely true. 399 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: The problem is because they had to say it that 400 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: way because there was no um, there were no details 401 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: they had or none they could disclose about further explain 402 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: the circumstances of the death. Um, they had to go 403 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: with hit by a bullet. And it's a shame that 404 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: that sounds like it could have been self inflicted at 405 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: that point, just for an example, which wasn't. But it 406 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: sounds like that based on that sentence. And so in 407 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: the absence of transparency, m there like the presence of 408 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: ambiguity leaves a lot of room for speculation and having 409 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: that speculation as part of an investigative process. But this 410 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: is uh, this happening in a in a larger context, 411 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: there's an ongoing story Matt, As you and I were 412 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: looking into this, we got an update that went a 413 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: little further than just hit by a bullet in her home. Yes, Ben, 414 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: even you know, even though all the initial reporting that 415 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: came out about this story was really vague about a 416 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: bullet that pierced a window and struck her um. No 417 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: matter what happened, no matter what the circumstances, her death 418 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: is being investigated as a homicide, which is you know, 419 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: good to know, uh, And hopefully that investigation will lead 420 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: to something. As we just discussed in our last well 421 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: we we actually didn't discuss this, but in our last 422 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 1: segment we're talking about the guns themselves and how they 423 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: are traceable. Thankfully, there is some forensic science that exists 424 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: for a single bullet in a casing, and all of 425 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: the physical properties of a bullet, no matter where it 426 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: came from, it can be at least traced to some extent. 427 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: This is not the case for every bullet, and you 428 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: cannot find a proof that way that one bullet was 429 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: fired from a you know, specific gun, um and we 430 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: know that their flaws in that technology and that science, 431 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: but there's at least hopefully a chance that wherever that 432 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: bullet originated from the person that fired it could be 433 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: apprehended at some point or at least held to account. Yeah, 434 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: this is also occurring, and I think there's something we're mentioning, Matt. 435 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: This is also occurring in a city that has strung 436 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: gold with gun related violence. Right, So, so the the 437 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: possibility of accidental involvement is still is still there, but 438 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: the authorities have made the call they are investigating this 439 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: as a homicide. As some of our fellow listeners may 440 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: be asking, why we're focusing on this in specific, Well, 441 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, for the peak behind the curtain, 442 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: just the same way that we mentioned earlier. Uh we 443 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, we pay close attention to cults that maybe 444 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: really haven't really yet popped national radar because we want 445 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on those organizations. We also pay 446 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: close attention to deaths of journalists, regardless of what the 447 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: circumstances may appear to be at the time of reporting. 448 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: It is no secret that being a journal is an 449 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: increasingly dangerous occupation in at least globally, at least thirty 450 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: journalists were killed on duty in This includes twenty one 451 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: reprisal murders, which is being killed for something you had reported, 452 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: and that was a dramatic increase that was up from 453 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: ten the previous year. I'm looking at an article from CNN. 454 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: This is fifty were killed worldwide from December. I think 455 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 1: what we're missing here is thirty killed on duty. Got it? 456 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: Got it versus Yeah. And so there's methodology here I'm 457 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: pulling from the Committee to Protect Journalists. Uh there. You 458 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: know you can tell by the title they have an angle. 459 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: It happens to be an angle I agree with, and 460 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: their research is pretty sound. I don't think people should 461 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: be killed for being reporters. This this is part of 462 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: a trend that's been unfortunately on the rise for for 463 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: some time. And you know, journalists do hard, often thankless work. 464 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: I know very few journalists who are in it for 465 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: the money, you know what I mean. They're they're in 466 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: it because this is their passion and it calls to them. 467 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: And I would say many feel it is a responsibility, right, 468 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: not just something I like to do, but something that 469 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: I I feel called to do. Yeah, that's yeah, certainly. Um. 470 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: And there is a real connection that is found by 471 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: by the same Committee to Protect Journalists when you're and 472 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: they specifically cite Mexico as one of the most dangerous 473 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: countries for journalists there. They're appeared to be around eight 474 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: to ten journalists in that country killed each year, and 475 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: many of those deaths are linked to directly to organized crime. 476 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: And the danger there comes when organized crime meets politics, 477 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: which it often does where where there are powerful people 478 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: to protect essentially, and a journalist becomes a real problem. Yeah, 479 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: especially in places where what I would call the de 480 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: facto governing structure is something that has consumed and infiltrated 481 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: the official governing structure. Like you can't look at certain 482 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: states in Mexico and not admit that they are compromised 483 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: by the cartels. The cartels have more money and more 484 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: power than more access, and they don't have to play 485 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: by a lot of the same rules that law enforcement 486 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: is at least legally supposed to play by. Although you know, 487 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: it reminds me of that old, that old proverb there's 488 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: many a slip TwixT the cup and the lip, meaning 489 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: that you can right laws all the livelong day, um, 490 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: but enforcing them, and you know, enforcing them regardless of 491 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: the demographics of the people involved, is something that a 492 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: lot of countries fail at it's not a secret at all, 493 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 1: but it's um it's true that it's true that, at 494 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: least from kind of our collective opinion, whenever we hear 495 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: about the death of a journalist, especially one involved in 496 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: the sort of reporting that Aviva Ocus and Haberman was 497 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: involved in, we immediately want to know more. Absolutely, absolutely, 498 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: and and that doesn't discount the gun violence in Kansas 499 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: City that's been happening. There were seventy four I believe, 500 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: reported homicides by gun there last year. You can read 501 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: more about the gun violence in Kansas City and the 502 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: instance of stray bullets, which are it's a serious issue 503 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: in a lot of places across the country. There are 504 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: a lot of guns in the United States, a lot 505 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: of people firing weapons, and they often don't reach their 506 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: intended targets. Yeah, there's more, there's more to talk about here, Ben, 507 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: but I think for now we can leave this story 508 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: here and just say our condolences go out to Viva 509 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: in her family and to everyone there at Casey you are, 510 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: and it's just it's just a terrible thing. If you 511 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: are out there doing journalism in any form, especially investigative journalism, 512 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 1: we wish you safety on your journey and God's speed. 513 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: We're going to go ahead and take a quick break 514 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: here while the rain, thunder and lightning come through, and 515 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 1: we yeah, we will have one more very very weird 516 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: and disturbing update to a story you heard from last week, 517 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: and we are back. We We took a little bit 518 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: longer on this break because we just got into request. Doc, 519 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: you were saying that you're kind of getting a super 520 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: villain vibe now that we we we get thunderclaps after 521 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: after your name on air. Is that correct? Yeah, so 522 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: earlier after you said we are joined as always by 523 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: our super producer electus code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Like, 524 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: right as you said it, there was a really loud 525 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: bit of thunder, and I was like, yes, we need 526 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: to then heeds to happen all the time, every single 527 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: time anybody says my name from here on out. I 528 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 1: wanted to just be like a loud clap of thunder 529 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: and then I'll know that my evil villain arc is complete. 530 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yes, yeah, yeah. First second, that has to 531 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: be natural. It can't be a sound effect. It has 532 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: to be an actual thunderclap from like God, like the 533 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: universe or ever. Go an old testament. All right, are 534 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: you comfortable telling us what your super villain arc is 535 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: gonna be? Or do we have to just find out 536 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: with everyone else until not only you but all of 537 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: the fellow conspiracy realist everybody can know this now. Okay, 538 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: all right, now that's fair. But you can understand how 539 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: I thought there was maybe a chance to get you 540 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: to monologue. But the good supervillains never fall for that, 541 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: do they met? Never? Not even zeus villain. It well 542 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: depends on whether you're one of those animals he ran 543 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: up on. I don't think they have the highest opinion 544 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: of it. Oh yeah, I do remember those stories. Okay, 545 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: sorry about that. That's not for this family show. So 546 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 1: uh this there we go sus like that. So this, 547 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 1: this next story is a regrettable update, but it does 548 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: have at least a little bit of positivity to it 549 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: and will explain what we mean. Y As we were 550 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: prepping to record today's show, a couple of folks uh 551 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: reached out to us, and I, weirdly enough gotting alert 552 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 1: on my phone. U, Matt, Remember how earlier just last week, 553 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: I think, uh, we introduced everybody too, one of the 554 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: many little known cults we tracked which is or I 555 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: should say new religious movement we tracked, which is the 556 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 1: group known as Love Has What. Yes, I recall Amy Carlson, 557 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: um fascinating figure. We read some quotes from her, talked 558 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: about what the group is known for, and we I 559 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: think one of the last things we really talked about 560 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: is that her whereabouts were unknown. Yes, yeah, that's correct. Uh, 561 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: we we found some The latest info we could find 562 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: was from a regional outfit known as Mount Shasta News. 563 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: They noted some of the rough movements Colorado, Hawaii, the 564 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: Pacific northwest of the organization, and they noted, uh, the 565 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: current debate over whether they're just sort of whether they're 566 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: there's sort of a group of people pursuing a collective 567 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: alternative lifestyle, which is totally fine to do if that's 568 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: what you and your crews are into, or whether they 569 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,959 Speaker 1: were a cult that was holding people against their will, 570 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: brainwashing them, abusing them physically the more vulnerable members of 571 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: the group, etcetera. And you're absolutely right, Matt. There was 572 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 1: one thing that we we could have spent more time on, 573 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: which was there It is the mystery of foot, and 574 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: the mystery of Foot was just as you said, nobody 575 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: was able to figure out where this person actually was 576 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: and members of the group that we're speaking to the public, 577 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: we're also not coming forward with that information. There were 578 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: fears from cult d programmers, anti cult activists, people who 579 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: consider this group dangerous. There were fears that they might 580 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: take the worst possible path and and participate in some 581 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: sort of group art or who suicide. Uh So that's 582 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: where we left it. And we have an update today. Yes, 583 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: we we do have news for you. It appears that 584 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: Amy Carlson has been found. Yes, Amy Carlson has been found. 585 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 1: Mother Love has been located. Very recently, were more specifically 586 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,240 Speaker 1: and more morbidly, her body was found and a mobile 587 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: home in Cassada, part which is west of Crestone, Colorado. 588 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: This came from a tip off two authorities from a 589 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 1: member of the group who said that her body had 590 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: been transported across state lines of from the Pacific Northwest 591 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: to Colorado after her death, and when law enforcement interviewed 592 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: the surviving members of the group, they started saying, I 593 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: started saying some very strange things. They did not use 594 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: the word deceased, they refused to. Instead, they claimed that 595 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,240 Speaker 1: Carlson was not dead, she was merely out of communication. 596 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: This is not the opinion of Carlson's earthly family, including 597 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: her sister Chelsea and renager, who went on Facebook to say, 598 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: UM that she found out about Carlson's passing. She asked 599 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: for prayers and the people involved in this situation. And 600 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: she said something interesting too in this post match. She said, 601 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: we are choosing to remember who she was when she 602 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: was in our lives on a regular basis, and not 603 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: who she became from this manipulating cult. So it seems 604 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: like her sister at least is saying that Carlson was 605 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: being manipulated by this group. That's such an odd concept. 606 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: You don't often hear of the leader of a cult 607 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: being the one who's manipulated or actively manipulated. Um. I 608 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: suppose the family, you know, in some ways, the family 609 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: has to look at it that way, um, for their 610 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: own self preservation. Perhaps that's you know, that's a not 611 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: a pretty point, but I think it's an important one. 612 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: And we know that they continued, you know, doing the 613 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: daily live stream on their Facebook page that we've mentioned earlier. 614 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: It's called the Daily Energy Event Update. Uh. And when 615 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: reporters reached out to the group on Friday. Uh, people 616 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,240 Speaker 1: refuse to comment. I think the one response they said 617 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: it was just the full here's the full phrase. It's 618 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: not grammatically correct. What are your intentions? Love? I've even 619 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,919 Speaker 1: made it sound like there might be a comment there, 620 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 1: but there isn't. At this point, more and more things 621 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: are starting to come out about the group from former 622 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,760 Speaker 1: members of the organization. There has not been a cause 623 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: of death attributed at this time. Of course, that might change. Um. 624 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: The county coroner, Tom Perrin said it's possible that she 625 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: was taking colloidal silver that may have had some adverse effects. 626 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: She was also, according to some reports not verified. As 627 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 1: we mentioned, former members had said that she was heavily 628 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 1: abusing various drugs and alcohol. It will probably be weeks 629 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: before an autopsy and a toxicology report come out, so 630 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: you might be asking yourselves, Matt, then Doc, I'm I'm 631 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: a bit shook to say the full name now that 632 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 1: we know what it does, the weather patterns, But you 633 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: have to say, Matt, Doc Ben Uh. You all said 634 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: there was some kind of good news, some light at 635 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel of this disturbing story. Well, 636 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: the good news is so far this there was not 637 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: in fact, to our knowledge, a mass a mass death 638 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: similar to the events of Heaven's Gate. So for that alone, 639 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: at least we can be thankful in the moment. As 640 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: we said previously, if you were someone you care about 641 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: is involved in an organization that you believe has removed 642 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: their agency is preventing them from leaving if they want 643 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: to leave, there are resources you can contact. We mentioned 644 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: them on last week's Strange us UH, and we do 645 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: advise you to look into it. We advise you to 646 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: be safe. UM. We also you know whether or not 647 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: you agree with UH the activities of people who are 648 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: investigative reporters, whether or not you agree with people's spiritual 649 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: beliefs that I seem a little bit out there. If 650 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: you're not part of the group, I think we can 651 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,359 Speaker 1: agree these deaths are tragedies. So to all the reporters 652 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: working out there, thank you for retireless efforts. We always 653 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: look forward to hearing from you. We always look forward 654 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: to hearing from everyone of our conspiracy Realist So, as 655 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 1: you know, we do listener mail once a week as well. 656 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 1: We'd like to hear from you. Matt. I propose we 657 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,280 Speaker 1: lighten this up a bit. What is doc Holidays Ultimate 658 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: super villain plan. What do you think ultimate super villain 659 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: plan for Doc Holiday? Take over el magazine from the inside. 660 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: Like that's how she starts, right right, you have transitions 661 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: the entire thing to exclusively cover evil plans of uh superpowered. 662 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,359 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Stay with the voice 663 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:34,959 Speaker 1: of L two like top ten good villain plans for spree. Yeah, yeah, 664 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: she changes it to L villain. That's that's what I'm seeing. 665 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: Do you accept? You know? It's like heist is bitcoin 666 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: the new bank heist? Right? Like questions of the time, 667 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,720 Speaker 1: Uh sidekicks versus henchman or hene folk? We should say 668 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 1: which is right for you? Dude? Yeah? Exactly. And by 669 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: the way, the cruck of all this is that there's 670 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: a new super villain in town that is like really 671 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,360 Speaker 1: running the show, and she she makes sure that L 672 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: villain like really covers this, like really focuses on this 673 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: villain called Doc and uh Doc something right, it's her 674 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: the whole time. It's her making sure that her magazine 675 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: is always covering her deeds so that she becomes the 676 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:33,879 Speaker 1: most sought after evil villain supervillain. Yeah, which will It's 677 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: all for the Villain Award. So like lifetime achievement, best 678 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: best the crime right, best supporting inch person in folks. Uh, yeah, 679 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: this has legs, as they say in the villain business. No, 680 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 1: my villainy would never be that commercial. Oh we've co 681 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: modified unfairly. That's on us. That's my fault, my fault, 682 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 1: that's us. I just got so excited because I thought that. 683 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: I thought it was a really good plan. I see 684 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: the vision. I see the vision, but I don't know 685 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: if it particularly suits me. Okay, okay, I respect that. 686 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: I respect that it's not about that that commodification, you know, 687 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: because we mentioned it before. I think it's always at 688 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 1: the weird the weirdest moments, but it's usually when you 689 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: asked to mention, you know though, I respect when people 690 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: are in something for the money. Yeah, I got one 691 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: more for you, and then we're done, I promise. UM 692 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: the True Doc Holiday super Villain Plan. Acquire a hundred 693 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,799 Speaker 1: and seventy million dollars, use all of it, No, use 694 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: fifty of it. Fifty million dollars to develop a video 695 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: game based in the future. Let's say it's cyberpunk themed. 696 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 1: UM and spend fifty million dollars to develop it. Just 697 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: terribly and then spend a spend a hundred and spend 698 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,360 Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty five million dollars on marketing and 699 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 1: then just to make sure everybody's super excited about it, 700 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 1: and then release it and just just watch along. Fraid 701 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: o solid super villain plad Or it would be to 702 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 1: like spend that a hundred and seventy five million on 703 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: a time machine to go back in time and like 704 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: undo this whole CYBERPUNC fiasco in the first place. But 705 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: I guess that wouldn't make me a villain. That would 706 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: sort of take me a savior of sorts to work 707 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,439 Speaker 1: out the mechanics be a hero. Yeah. Well, uh, these 708 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 1: are pretty solid pitches. Uh. It sounds like Doc doesn't 709 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: totally agree with all of them, But I appreciate you 710 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: hearing the South talk. Let us know what you think, 711 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: uh would would be a classic code name DOC, Holiday, Villain, 712 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: plan and or ARC. You can get as detail as 713 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: you what. We We give you plenty of ways uh 714 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: to to talk to us. We try to be easy 715 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,919 Speaker 1: to find online. Is that true? Man? That is so true? Ben. 716 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter and Facebook where we 717 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,919 Speaker 1: are conspiracy stuff. On Instagram we are Conspiracy Stuff show. 718 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: You can find us on YouTube where we are also 719 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff, also stuff they don't want you to know. 720 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: That's in the name of the show. You can find 721 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: it if you search it sometimes depending on which country 722 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: you're in. And hey what else. If you don't like 723 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 1: social media, which you may not, please please find our 724 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: phone number and call it glad to help you out. 725 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 1: We'll find you the phone number their folks for the 726 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,359 Speaker 1: for the folks who consider themselves teetotalers when it comes 727 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: to the social meds. Uh, you don't have to sip those. 728 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: You can call us directly one eight three three st 729 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 1: d w y t K three minutes. Those three minutes 730 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: are yours. We can't wait to hear what's on your 731 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: mind or things that are weighing on your soul. All 732 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: you need to do is give us a cool nickname 733 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: for yourself, or if you're like I'm gonna call myself 734 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan because I'm grown and I think nicknames are silly. 735 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: That's fine. I disagree with you, but do as thou wilt, 736 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 1: and and let us know, let us know what your 737 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: response is. Let us know, most importantly, suggestions for upcoming topics. 738 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,880 Speaker 1: And if you feel this most important part, folks, If 739 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: you feel three minutes isn't enough time to tell us 740 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: what's on your mind, To tell us your concerns about journalism, 741 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 1: to tell us your concerns about ghost guns, your concerns 742 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,839 Speaker 1: about docs future as a supervillain. Uh, then don't ever 743 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,720 Speaker 1: feel like you have to edit or sense for yourself 744 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 1: on our show. Right to us in full, send us 745 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: the whole Uh what what is it? 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