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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know front House Stuffworks

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: Clark and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant mad as heck

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Speaker 1: and he's not gonna take it anymore. I said heck.

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Speaker 1: I revised a classic movie quote in the heck Yeah, network, Man,

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Speaker 1: have you ever seen that? Have you seen that recently?

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Speaker 1: I've never seen it. It was on Netflix streaming and

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Speaker 1: I hadn't mind. Some human passed it up. Well you

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Speaker 1: should watch it again because you'll watch it now and go. Man,

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Speaker 1: when was this made so far ahead of its time

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Speaker 1: as far as like how things are in the media, like, uh,

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Speaker 1: coma yeah, but when you watch network back then people

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Speaker 1: said things like how ridiculous, like stuff like this could

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Speaker 1: never happen. Oh, I see it's prescient, right, very much.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll have to watch it then. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a good one. That's uh is it? Like? Um, what

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Speaker 1: is it? What's that Aaron Sorkin show? I don't like

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Speaker 1: antwork news Hour? Yeah that just thinks? Is that what

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Speaker 1: it's called? News? News Room? Yeah? I didn't care for

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Speaker 1: it other than the fact that it stars our guest

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Speaker 1: starred Mr Paul Schneider, who's one of my one of

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Speaker 1: my boys. So uh, sometimes people accuse that show being preachy.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? I just I'm not a sworking guy,

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Speaker 1: so he's a little worthy for me. I liked west Twink,

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Speaker 1: I didn't watch it. You never watched West Wing, not

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Speaker 1: one episode. Guarantee you you would like it. You think

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Speaker 1: it was he I hate to say this, but it

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Speaker 1: was like his his masterpiece from beginning. I'm not kidding, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this is somebody who didn't like Studio sixty,

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Speaker 1: who doesn't like Newsroom. West Wing from beginning to end

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Speaker 1: was just really great. I'll try it, but I swear

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Speaker 1: the way that guy writes, I'm always just like nobody talks.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm totally with you. But this cast

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Speaker 1: of characters, the characters that he wrote, the actors, they

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Speaker 1: pulled it off. I've never seen a shot Paul Schneider

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Speaker 1: is not on it. I'm coming to your house this

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Speaker 1: afternoon and we're gonna watch them. Okay, okay, uh So

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Speaker 1: I guess that's the segue for no flies on. Not

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Speaker 1: a bad setup because this is political and presidential. I

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Speaker 1: have something, actually, I have a bit of an intro. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's hear it. You've heard of the Wright brothers

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Speaker 1: Dayton's Pride, Orville and Wilbur Wright. Oh yeah, can joined twins? Yes, no,

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Speaker 1: they weren't. But they did fly. They did build the

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Speaker 1: first airplane that flew, and they flew it out at

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Speaker 1: Kitty Hawk, North Carolina. And after they had that flight,

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Speaker 1: actually I think before they undertook that flight, while they

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Speaker 1: were still in the development stage. Uh, they went to

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Speaker 1: the United States government and said, hey, War Department, you

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Speaker 1: want in on this action. Not once, not twice, but

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Speaker 1: thrice did the War Department turn the right brothers down,

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Speaker 1: say what good our planes in the warfare? Exactly? Luckily

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Speaker 1: there was a very smart person heading the Post Office

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Speaker 1: Department who said, Okay, maybe you shouldn't drop bricks out

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Speaker 1: of airplane down to people's heads, but we could use

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Speaker 1: this to deliver the mail. Martin ben Ostrin, right, to

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Speaker 1: heck with the auto gyro, We're gonna start using this

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Speaker 1: Wright Brothers plane to deliver mail. And for three years

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Speaker 1: the only aircraft that were in service under the United

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Speaker 1: States government was for delivering mail, and then a postal

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Speaker 1: carrier and as a pilot accidentally dropped a mail bomb

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Speaker 1: and they went, wow, that's a good idea, works very well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it didn't take very long for the War Department and

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Speaker 1: then by nineteen fourteen the aviation section of the Signal

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Speaker 1: Corps was set up and all of a sudden, planes

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Speaker 1: were militarized. Within just years of their invention, they were

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Speaker 1: being used to murder people. Yeah, and this article points

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Speaker 1: out in seven Spanish Fastest dropped a bunch of bombs

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Speaker 1: on the town of Guernica. A hundred thousand pounds of

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Speaker 1: was it the explosive, people were running on a town

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Speaker 1: and they were gunning them down civilis. Yeah, so that's

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Speaker 1: what fascists do. As outrageous and horrible as that is,

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Speaker 1: it was definitely the beginning of what would be a

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Speaker 1: long romance in warfare with the plane. Yeah, you had

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Speaker 1: very long, bloody history associated with planes and war. Um,

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Speaker 1: it actually wasn't until the very early nineteen nineties that

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Speaker 1: I thought no fly zones had been around long before that,

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Speaker 1: but it's kind of a big deal to issue and

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Speaker 1: no flies one. And the reason why is because what

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Speaker 1: you're doing is intervening in a sovereign nation, undermining the

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Speaker 1: power of the ruler of that nation, choosing sides in

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Speaker 1: a way you're saying, at the very least, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna let you just slaughter these civilians. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: but I'm going to protect these civilians. And uh, it

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Speaker 1: that's right. So, um, you want to talk about the

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Speaker 1: first one, yes. Uh, let's harken back to the spring

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Speaker 1: of nine. I'm in college drinking a lot of beer.

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Speaker 1: That's where I first discovered beer. I was drinking a

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I was. Um So I remember sitting

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Speaker 1: it was pretty enthralling, especially when you're, you know, twenty

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Speaker 1: look at that's good. Safe in Athens, Georgia. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: what happened There was a guy named Saddam Hussein he

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Speaker 1: um was not doing very nice things to the people

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Speaker 1: in Kuwait. Well, we'll put and the Curtish minority in

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Speaker 1: northern Iraq was encouraged by American radio broadcast to two

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Speaker 1: Sadam Hussein Um sent gunships and with napalm and chemical

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Speaker 1: what he does when you have a civilian population that's

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Speaker 1: unhappy with your rule. Yeah, and so they fled, basically

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Speaker 1: And but we really don't think we should invade and

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Speaker 1: remove Sadam Hussein like with all of our Mike, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's get another ten twelve years exactly. Or we could

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Speaker 1: go to the U N in NTE and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: how about passing a resolution against this guy? Right, they did,

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Speaker 1: but they did they said, Okay, we're gonna um deliver

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Speaker 1: humanitarian aid to these Kurds who are trapped along the

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Speaker 1: Turkish border, and Hussain, if you do anything to interfere,

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Speaker 1: we're going to bomb you. We're going to take on

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Speaker 1: your guys that you send an inner fear at the

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Speaker 1: very least, right. Um. And not only that, we're establishing

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Speaker 1: a safe zone for these people. It's above the thirty

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take them on. So this is what we're

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Speaker 1: never heard of such a thing. That's stupid, And the

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Speaker 1: he's so um, they did this, and then second no

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Speaker 1: established to protect the Shiite Muslims, who also rose up

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Speaker 1: under the encouragement of the United States. If you're interested

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Speaker 1: in this kind of thing, check out three Kings. It

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Speaker 1: was a lot to do about that. It was after

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Speaker 1: when the guy made Markey Mark drink the oil. That

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Speaker 1: David O. Russey. Yeah, you don't like that guy that

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Speaker 1: you get problems with him. I like Three Kings a Lot. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you don't love him, but I like Three Kings a Lot.

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Speaker 1: Uh So no fly zone is going on. Sidom Hussein

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Speaker 1: violates said no fly zone. He's like, yeah, well, what's

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Speaker 1: And even then maybe we should just kind of chase

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Speaker 1: him down over time after sortie after sortie after shorty.

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Speaker 1: They started just by attrition, wearing down Hussain's defenses and

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Speaker 1: Sadam Hussein for twelve years his own country. There is

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Speaker 1: a wide swath in the middle that he could move

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Speaker 1: those are the that's the first use of the not

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Speaker 1: fly zone ever. Uh. In the early nineteen nineties, when

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Speaker 1: Yugoslavia broke up, UM, NATO forces said, all right, how

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Speaker 1: about another no fly zone. We're gonna authorize this one.

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Speaker 1: It's nine over the breakaway region of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

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Speaker 1: It was called Operation Denied Flight, which is terrible little

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Speaker 1: the David R. Russell named said mission and it was

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