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Speaker 1: That, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Sunday, January fourth, and a trial is about

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Speaker 2: to finally get underway tomorrow in New Jersey. It's a

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Speaker 2: trial that is some eight years, four horrific murders and

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Speaker 2: two arsons in the making. And with that, welcome to

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Speaker 2: this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Roads.

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Speaker 2: This is one a lot of people. It's weird to

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Speaker 2: say forgot about, but this was a horrific crime. Quite frankly,

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Speaker 2: there's so much time between the crime and now the

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Speaker 2: trial finally starting tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as you pointed out, almost eight years ago, and

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Speaker 3: the details of this crime are almost beyond understanding because

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Speaker 3: this is about a man named Paul Canio who is

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Speaker 3: charged with more and a dozen counts of murder. And

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Speaker 3: the people he murdered were his own family members, his brother,

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Speaker 3: his brother's wife, his brother's children.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we need to give some context there. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like he's not facing he didn't kill a dozen

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Speaker 2: people the counts. We need to explain how these counts go.

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Speaker 2: But four people are dead, folks, and all four of

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Speaker 2: them are his family members. We're talking about a case

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Speaker 2: of robes. And I think, look, we're watched enough true crime,

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Speaker 2: folks know it usually comes down to usually one of

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Speaker 2: two things, love lust put those in the same category,

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Speaker 2: or money. And this seemed to be a at least

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Speaker 2: of man went through. We're talking about a guy who's

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Speaker 2: accused folks of killing, Yes, his brother and his sister

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Speaker 2: in law, but also they're two kids who are aged

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Speaker 2: eight and eleven. Yes, right, he's accused of killing all

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Speaker 2: of them and then trying to cover it up by

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Speaker 2: setting two homes on fire. That's the crime we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: And it's hard to get your head around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because this took a lot of planning, and this

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Speaker 3: even crimes of desperation, but to go to the level

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Speaker 3: he did it is just horrific. We will get into

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Speaker 3: the details of how he killed those family members or

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Speaker 3: how police say he killed those family members.

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Speaker 1: We should point out because.

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Speaker 3: Paul has maintained his innocence this entire time, all these

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Speaker 3: years later, The murders actually happened on November twentieth of

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. This was in Coltsneck, New Jersey, Central New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: People often refer to it as Horse Country. It's a beautiful,

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Speaker 1: It's near New York City.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, you don't think about I guess this is

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Speaker 3: an idyllic community. And I know people often point to

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Speaker 3: certainly not the setting you would expect this horrific crime

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Speaker 2: It's weird. We say that, and we think about that,

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Speaker 2: and it's yes, it's how it goes. We'll be telling

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Speaker 2: the same story if it happened in another neighborhood with

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Speaker 2: Who knows, But this is a horrific crime no matter

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Speaker 2: where it is. That it happened in this particular area

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Speaker 2: financial motive, maybe this does make more sense. These are folks,

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Speaker 2: they're used to having a lot and not used to

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Speaker 2: least prosecutors where this guy was in such desperation that

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Speaker 2: he took these actions. I don't remember the case or

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Speaker 2: the name. Only recently with some updates, but I didn't remember.

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Speaker 2: He would have said Paul Canaro. The name wouldn't have registered.

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Speaker 2: But that's who we're talking about, Paul Canaro, fifty nine

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Speaker 2: years old. Do I have right he has been in

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and his defense team put out a statement.

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Speaker 3: With the trial set to begin tomorrow. On Monday, the

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Speaker 3: jury selection will begin. But this is what Canaro's defense

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Speaker 2: Yes, he has, at least according to that his supporters

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Speaker 2: It's hard to find sympathy. It's hard to find anyone, frankly,

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Speaker 3: Yes, and to hope that your family's going to get

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Speaker 1: Which they happened.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but this, I think this is going to be

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Speaker 1: Who knows, but we will find out in court.

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Speaker 2: But I think is they don't have to. They don't

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Speaker 2: just watched the Brian Walls trial. They gave them an

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Speaker 2: alternate theory of how someone and died, how the woman

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Speaker 2: they have such a trail of financial desperation and fraud

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Speaker 2: seems a motive. But man, what motive would make you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your niece, your nieces. You know this is family.

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Speaker 3: And they lived close by to one of these homes,

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Speaker 3: These families did everything together. The prosecutor said in the case,

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Speaker 3: I thought this was interesting. I mean, you hear a

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Speaker 3: But they said, this is one of the most brutal

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Speaker 2: We hear those, and we hear that a lot to

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Speaker 2: a lot of these cases I can't imagine. I mean, hell,

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Speaker 3: So it begins on November twentieth, twenty eighteen, where prosecutors

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Speaker 1: They were huddled in his Porsche, is.

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Speaker 3: What they described it as, and they were up set,

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Speaker 3: We have no idea how this could have happened. But

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Speaker 3: that was obvious by the crime scene, and the Canaro

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in time. I mean his brother's shot

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Speaker 2: according to authorities at least, So this is the crime, folks.

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Speaker 2: And it's taken now eight years to get to this

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Speaker 2: that's possibly helping give motive for the original criminal act.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and police were very quick, by the way

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Speaker 3: which is all about money and how this all, according

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Speaker 3: for the Paul Canaro trial. He is accused of murdering

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Speaker 3: So the Knaro brothers were close, according to prosecutors, they

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Speaker 3: his brother Paul stealing from the business and from him personally.

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Speaker 1: Allegedly.

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Speaker 3: They say he was stealing eleven thousand dollars a month

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Speaker 1: Pretty damaging evidence.

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Speaker 2: So I see why I did all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 2: There is nothing financially I can understand about doing something

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Speaker 2: he going to I don't know. I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: No, there was, You're right, there was some A lot

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Speaker 3: and yes, the pain medications, but obviously that would not

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Speaker 1: Actually committing them, so you can't, so that's out the window.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you could change it at the end,

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Speaker 2: what is the defense going to be other than I

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Speaker 2: didn't do it? There's evidence having to do with I

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Speaker 1: Oh but that's because it was interfering with the Wi Fi, babe, that's.

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Speaker 2: What he said. But the Wi Fi happened to be hardwired,

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Speaker 2: because it's just jury selection that could take at least

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Speaker 2: But when that opening statement comes, I am going to

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Speaker 3: This is going to be fascinating. We have been watching

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Speaker 1: He didn't do it, period, end of story.

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Speaker 3: But usually when we hear these opening statements, we do

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Speaker 3: offer the jury juries do. Motive is important. It's not necessary,

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Speaker 2: But if you're sitting on the jur Okay, fine, you

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Speaker 2: tell me he didn't do it, So what happened? I

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Speaker 2: But right now, motive wise, from what I've read and

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Speaker 2: I hear enough of a motive, I hear enough of

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Speaker 3: Don't know exactly, and that, of course the motive yes,

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Speaker 1: They weren't successful. Initially.

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Speaker 3: They were with that surveillance evidence from his garage where

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Speaker 3: They also tried to get DNA evidence thrown out, the

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Speaker 1: It's all coming out in court.

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Speaker 3: And we will be watching, so we always appreciate you

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Speaker 3: explosive and we will be following up with you all.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for listening. We always appreciate it. I'm

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Speaker 3: Ami Robot alongside TJ.

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Speaker 1: Holmes.

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Speaker 2: We've been