WEBVTT - Instruments of Evil 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.400 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.720 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.320 as I've been saying all week long, I'm just taking 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.920 a few days of respite to recharge with friends, and 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.800 I am leaving you with amazing interviews that we have 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:34.200 banked so that you miss absolutely nothing from the craziness 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.160 that is happening and has been going on since Donald 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:42.960 Trump's Morilago resort was searched by the FBI, not rated, 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.800 like his dumbass has been saying for the last several days. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.400 You know what's funny is that right now you have 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.760 Republicans out on social media talking about they need to 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.920 defund the FBI and they need to defund the Department 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.920 of Justice, which is really funny given the fact that 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.800 when black and brown people talk about defunding the police, 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.720 you know, for killing us and then having no accountability, 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:11.360 responsibility because of qualified immunity, we're called what are we 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:17.959 called terrorists, Antifa agitators, not patriots. They want to defund 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:23.479 these agencies for going after their white supremacist king. When 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:27.920 we talk about defunding the police, it is about reorienting 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:34.679 our resources into communities right that have systemic issues because 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.920 of white supremacy and what we've been doing to them, 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:42.080 like defunding public education in areas that are highly populated 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.280 with black and brown people, not having sidewalks, not having 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:50.360 sanitation pickup, not having anything that would remotely resemble any 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.480 of these gated communities that these fucking Republicans live in. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:58.120 So I find it so fascinating and fucking hypocritical that 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.240 right now you see all of these people talking about 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:07.400 defund this and defund that. Why because their king right 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:12.079 is being investigated by everybody and their mother because he's 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.920 a fucking criminal. But when we're talking about unarmed and 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.000 innocent black people not being able to sleep in their 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.960 own fucking bed, drive in their cars, walk to the park, 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.320 play in a park, you know, sit, or exist anywhere 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.800 without the white police state coming for them, then we're 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.919 the problem. I just need for the media to do 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.040 their fucking job and maybe call out the hypocrisy right 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.200 now and say that when white people are enraged, it's 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.640 because they don't want to be held to account, because 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:45.400 they want to have absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for their actions. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.600 When black people are asking for the state and the 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.680 government to be held accountable for their crimes against us. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.639 Somehow we're the problem, folks. Coming up next my conversation 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:01.239 with our friend Kurt Bardella to unpack all the insanity 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.200 that Republicans are swirling in right now as they leap 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.880 to the opportunity to defend Donald Trump against what we 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.919 have no idea because as of this recording, Donald Trump 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.680 has refused to release the contents of his warrant. Now, 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.440 they continue to say that it was a raid. They 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.919 continue to say that something is amiss and something is awry, 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.000 and Kevin McCarthy is telling Merritt Garland, you need to 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.240 hold onto your papers and just wait till I get 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:31.160 the gavel back. But guess what, Donald Trump and his 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:35.160 lawyers know exactly what the Feds came and took from 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:39.240 our lago. They know exactly what the contents of that 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.760 Warren entails, but they're not releasing it, and the question 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.720 is why. So we'll get to this and more with 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:50.200 our friend Kurt Vardella. Coming up next. Hey, I'm David 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:55.280 Plots of Slaves political gabfest. As another election season accelerates, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.880 it can be tricky to sort through all the noise 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.960 and the news. Each week on The Gapfest, John Dickerson, 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.280 Emily Bathlona and I decipher the headlines, break down the races, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.800 and tell you what issues really matter. 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Tune in every Tuesday wherever you get 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:54.800 your podcasts, folks, you know that whenever we have the 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.880 opportunity to speak with our friend advisor to so many 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:03.640 the de Tropos, UH and others, a writer at USA Today, 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:08.400 The LA Times and other places. MSNBC contributor Kurt Bardella, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:13.040 ex Republican, to get into the mind the crazy, crazy 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:17.279 mind Kurt of your former flock. Um, I want to 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:22.680 start off with getting your reactions to the FBI search, 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:28.240 not raid, but legal warrant did search of Trump's Mara 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:33.719 Lago residence. How did it? How did it hit you? Well, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.919 I mean, obviously it was a surprise. Um, you know, 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.479 it really what struck me, and it's somewhat predictable, but 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:47.520 it's also very revealing the the overreaction from Trump from 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.240 the right room propagandists. If I were an innocent person 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.239 and something like this happened, I would be bending over 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.279 backwards to make sure that everyone understood that this wasn't 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:03.359 a raid, that this wasn't knocking down doors, windbreakers, people 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.880 in tactical gear, you know, like you see in the movies. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.920 Like I would be saying, like, this was a planned search, 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.760 something that we were made aware of a day ago, 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.080 and there's and we are fully cooperating and there's nothing 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:24.280 to see here. Instead, what we saw was this complete overreaction, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.280 science fiction response, to the point where there were people 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.320 who are insinuating that evidence was planted by the FBI. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.400 That's like, we don't even know what they came for yet, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.720 but they've already said that stuff was planted, right, I mean, 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.600 they are acting guilty. They are acting in a way 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:49.479 where they know that the law enforcement agencies have the 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.240 goods on them. And so when that's the case and 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.400 you think they have you dead to rights, you start attacking, 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:02.240 you start deflecting, you start inventing alternative, alternate realities. And 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.039 that's exactly what guilty people do. And I think that 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.599 Republicans are really putting themselves out there. I mean, here's 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.800 what we know about Donald Trump over the years. Because 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:16.280 a sociopathic, pathological liar, nothing he says is ever truthful. 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.880 So as bad as we know that it is, it's 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:24.760 almost certainly worse. As a political party. Why in the 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:28.560 world would you put yourself on the line for some 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.640 of that is almost certainly lying about something, lying to 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.360 you about it, and the report parties put themselves Additionally, 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.000 they're going to be left ful of the bad goods 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.240 here when this thing detonates all over them. You know, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.400 the funny thing is current, you know, when people are 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.400 pontificating and making jokes and memes about what could possibly 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.720 be in Donald Trump's safe But the part that is 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.600 actually really no laughing matter is that I personally believe 0:07:56.040 --> 0:08:01.120 that Donald Trump has the goods, the dossiers on everybody, 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.280 that that is something that he has been compiling for 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:09.040 quite some time. And so the reaction from Republicans to 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:13.520 me is so unhinged, right, And I'm like, why do 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.920 people react this way at a fear right at of 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:22.640 fear of your dirty laundry being aired out? And so 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.800 what they are doing is taking a page from Trump's 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:32.640 election playbook, and before we even know anything, everything's been planted. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.319 They need to be defunded, right, And what I find 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.560 so insulting is that you know, when black and brown 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.439 people and allies enter into the streets in twenty twenty, 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.560 after the murder of George Floyd, before we had a vaccine, 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.040 at the height of the pandemic, to say that black 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.440 lives matter, to say that we need to defund the 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:58.920 police as a way to recirculate monies into communities that 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:05.320 have been systemically um uh bankrupted, right defunded by their 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:09.240 public schools and their health infrastructure and their sanitation infrastructure, 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.160 and all of these things. We get called antifa. We 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:16.559 get called we get you know, told that we are unpatriotic. Right. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.000 All we wanted to all Colin Kaepernick ever wanted to 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.960 do was take a need to bring attention to the 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.880 abuses of the state. But to these white supremacist Republicans, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.800 it's like the hypocrisy doesn't even land with them, right, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.920 Like to me, it's so baffling that then they can 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.320 call for the defunding of the police all because there 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.560 was a search put out on their king, Like does 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:46.440 that Like, honestly, how do you even part and parcel 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:50.160 because you have been in the Republican Party, you worked 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:55.160 and with the Lincoln Project, right, so so never Trumpers, like, 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.880 how do you make sense of like Kevin McCarthy may 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:06.079 making a social media a tweet a threat to the USAG. 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.120 I just don't even get it. You know, it's very 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.000 clear to me that if you're a person of color 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.720 in this country, Republicans believe that law enforcement has the 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.040 right to do whatever they want to legal or not 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.480 even taking your own line, But the minute that law 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:28.800 enforcement is focused on a white person, especially a white 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:34.640 person of privilege, law enforce should be defined. Let's call 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:39.040 it what it is. This is just outright racism, and 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.760 and I think but people oftentimes, especially the media, tends 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.520 to overlook because it's uncomfortable for them to confront this. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.120 Everything the Republican Party done does has to be viewed 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:54.640 through the lens of racism, because that's really the single largest, 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.920 most defining quality of being a Republican in twenty twenty two. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.600 You know, it's really something like, on one the hand, 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:11.840 you got Republicans investigating Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden racially 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:17.559 trying to delegitimize a citizenship of Barack Obama. And they 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.720 were fine and comfortable using the instruments of power of oversight, 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:25.160 authority of subpoenas to have hearings to make Hillary Clinton 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.040 testify for eleven hours in front of their Knado report, 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.559 the Bengazi Select Committee. But the minute that the shoe 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.559 is on the other foot, and the minute that it's 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.520 actually legitimate inquiries, current commissions, not which one's not implicitly 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.800 motivated investigations, which Kevin Burkey admitted, Benghazi was all about 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.640 the minute that the shoes on the other foot. All 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.800 of a sudden, they don't believe in congresional authority. All 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.280 of a sudden they believe that things are faked subpoenas 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.840 and take depositions, and they rail and its closed door proceedings, 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.880 and they give the executive branch led by Donald Trump, 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.720 a free pass and make it policy that it's okay 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.480 to five checks and balances in America. Now as they 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.760 think that they might be within the reach power again, 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:12.040 they rediscover their passionate zeal for oversight. They rediscover congressional authority. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.480 Ken McCarthy right now, at this very second, is in 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.400 defiance of a congressional subpoena from the Jannery sixth Committee. 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.200 You don't get to defy aggressuoa on one hand and 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.520 then say you're going to use them on other people, 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.680 you know, in a couple of months. That's just not 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.559 how it work. You don't get to have it both ways. 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.160 And this is my big frustration with the media is 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.000 that when they talk about these things and they cover 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.280 Jim Jordan's threats and Kevin McCarthy's threats, they failed to 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.760 include that context. They failed to include all the ways 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.119 in which these Republicans have completely shipped on a congressional 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:46.719 oversight and taken our wrecking ball to checks and balances, 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.079 and now somehow they want to use them for their 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.560 own politically motivated means. You know, it's just, But what's 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.920 wild to me is that to your point, like the 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.040 media never calls this shit out right, Like the media 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:03.240 is never liked you know, Remember Republicans when you know, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:08.560 were interviewing Hillary Clinton for eleven hours, Remember when that 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.600 came up with nothing, right? Remember when you wasted taxpayers 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.120 dollars right, and it came up with nothing. I just 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:21.199 I don't understand the disconnect of not being able to 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.400 hold Republicans accountable, but when Democrats are in power, it's 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.120 like the media goes through everything that the Biden administration 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.960 is doing with a fine tooth calm, and I'm like, 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.480 it's absurd at this point, and that you know, the 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.360 other point about the Republican Party being a white supremacist 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:45.040 party is that again, we continue, I believe, to legitimize 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.800 them as if they are a normal Republican party. When 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:52.440 you had Marjorie Taylor Green on Twitter calling for friggin 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:57.480 violence because Donald Trump's home was searched and she's still 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.280 in Congress. Yeah yeah, well I even remember it was 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.720 less than a week ago that the Republican Party faithful 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:09.240 congregated in Texas and gave a standing ovation to an 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:13.880 authoritarian presence via the Prime Minister of Hungary. Let mean, 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.480 this is who they are. I keep thinking to myself, 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:21.280 how much how much more does the media need to 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:25.280 see before they start identifying the Republican Party as the 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:30.600 racist autocrat want to be dictatorial, want to be racist? 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.640 That they are, because I mean, they're not trying to 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.280 hide it anymore. They broadcast it every single day, whether 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.480 it's Marjorie Taylor Green, whether it's Ted Cruz, whether it's 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.760 Round Santis. It's not just Donald Trump. It's the entirety 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.480 now of the Republican Party establishment that has been overrun 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.080 by this lunacy. And you have these weapons, great idiots 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:56.200 running around tweeting these insane things, fomenting violence, fomenting very 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:01.800 dangerous and disturbing potential scenarios. You know, these people they're 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.480 they're waiting for the order to start locking and loading. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.360 And we know after January sixth that this is an 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.240 empty rheoric. This isn't just Machi's mode behind the screen 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.760 on the Internet. That these are people who have the means, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:20.960 the arms, and the desire to incite mayhem in violence 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.720 and bloodshed on people who look like you, and I like, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.680 this isn't hypothetical anymore, you know. And I'm so glad 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.840 that you brought this up because this is something else 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.960 that I believed was said multiple times on the air, 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.400 but almost in a casual way, right, which was that 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.640 the fear that Donald Trump was going to once again 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:45.400 direct his white supremacist militia to attack the government because 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.600 he was his home was searched. You had all of 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.640 the tweets, lock and load. When does the shooting start? 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.240 I mean all I mean it was crazy. And the 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.440 thing for me is that if it were people that 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.200 look like us that we're tweeting that shit, you think 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.880 that we would have still been casually sitting in our 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.240 living room on our laptops or on our phones. No, 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.840 you would have been picked up, snatched up by the 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.600 FBI and question and looked at as a terrorist, as 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.680 a threat to these United States. And so I'm wondering, Kurt, 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.400 what do you like, do you think that violence at 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.240 this point in this country, with how hopped up the 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:29.560 Republicans are on their lies, on their hate, on their vitriol. 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:34.280 I mean, I have never seen a more rage filled 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.760 group of people than some of the clips I saw 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.280 at a seapack right then some of the clips of 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.160 people talking at sea packs. So do you feel at 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.920 this point that violence is inevitable, that it is just 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.760 something that is on the horizon, but that it is 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:52.880 we are going to get to that place. Yeah. I 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.120 felt that the minute that the repultan Perty made the 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.400 conscious decision to become apologists for domestic terrorists, that that 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.879 was the ball game. Um, you know, you cannot have 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:10.239 a peaceful coexistence when there are people who are you know, 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:15.600 handling up domestic terrorists as patriots, as victims. Marjorie Taylor 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:22.719 Green on one knee at sepack. The cosplay was crazy. Yeah. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.760 And all that does is send the message to the 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:30.480 people who subscribe to this radical, extreme ideology that violence 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.120 is an acceptable form of expression, that their leaders want 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.200 them to shoot all of us, that their leaders will 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.600 want them to to to hang Mike Pence and perpetray 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.000 bloodshed on anyone that stands in the way, including cops 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.679 by the way. Um, you know, I very much worried 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.600 what elections are going to be like going forward, because 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.520 the Republican Party has done everything they can to take 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.159 a rock invall to the peaceful transition of power. And 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.240 I don't know what happens in this country when election 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.240 rolls around and some of these white supremases start shooting 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.400 up precincts in voting areas that have a higher concentration 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.040 of people of color. I don't know what happens to 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:15.280 our process when it gets held hostage by these instruments 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:20.320 of evil coming for all of us while the Whome 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.440 Party eggs them on, while the prom Party says it's okay, Well, 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.520 the Home Party says we love you and that you're heroes. 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.800 And I don't think that Democrats or the media is 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.800 particularly ready for that scenario, which is kind of mind 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.159 bodiling to me after what we lived throughout January sixth. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.560 You know, one of the things that is being said 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.840 to is that, you know, what a terrible week for 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.480 all of this Marilogo business to happen because Democrats finally 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.440 had a series of legislative wins. I disagree, Kurt, because 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.679 I think that there is an opportunity for the Biden 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.640 administration and Democrats to be like, we continue to work 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.879 for the American people. All of this is transpiring, and 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:07.160 we've passed this, this, this, and this, because our intelligence 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.560 agencies and the Department of Justice are not supposed to 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.800 work in tandem. They are separate entities. And so we're 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.600 able to still deliver for the American people because Republicans 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.399 pushback has been Democrats are preoccupied with Donald Trump and 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.439 not doing anything for the American people. So what do 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.920 you think that the messaging should be. Do you see 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.840 it as an opportunity or is it an obstacle? Yeah, 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.080 I think it's I think it's challenging again. And this 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.560 is where the Republican argument that this was a floodping 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:43.120 motivated Biden led raid on one of the slow adversaries, 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.800 false Department. President Biden has been in the midst of 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.840 the best few weeks he has had in this presidency. 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:53.480 After a year of Democrats in disarray, a year of 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.480 our own base protesting our own White House, all in 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:00.439 goddamn time, much to my complete and utter annoyance, we 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:05.680 finally strung together. You know, this amazing streak of successes, 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.800 historical level successes. I mean, we got a bipartisan gun 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.439 built them, which has nothing that has been done in 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.120 twenty years. Okay, even if it's not everything you want. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.000 It's something which at this point is better than nothing. 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.359 We got infrastructure. We got the Chips Act pass to 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.600 revitalize American manufacturing. We got something done for veterans, even 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:26.800 in spite of Republican opposition, which I still don't to 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.000 this day quite understand. We got uh you know, or 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.040 you know, we got this uh Inflation Reduction Act that 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.720 we're that we're about to get across the finish line. 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:37.959 Gas prices have been going down every day for almost 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.000 sixty days now. You know, by the way, we caught 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.400 a freaking terrorist of who was one of the masterminds 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.080 of nine to eleven, all the while I didn't with 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:49.080 battle ing COVID like this has been one of the 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:56.479 most productive administrations in the United States history. When Biden 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.200 signing some of those laws, uh you know, some of 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.159 those biose laws yesterday, it was like the fourth story 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.560 of the night because of Donald Trump. Donald Trump has 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:10.000 a unique way of sucking up the option on an everything, 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.520 and at this exact moment in time, that's where the 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.679 last thing that we wanted to have happened. On the 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:17.800 day that Biden was going to sign these things in 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:21.160 the law and talked about Democrats delivering and getting things 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.280 done in spite of United Republican opposition to things like 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.679 lowering the cost of insulin. What the hell kind of 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.520 pro life party does that, you know? Not to mention 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:33.200 the overarching conversations about abortion and women's rights in America, 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.240 like all of those things now have completely been swept 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.159 down to story four or five or six or not 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.000 even being covered right now at the second. And I 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.720 think that's that's a loss for the American people as 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.640 well as for Democrats. Hopefully as time goes on, we'll 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:51.359 be able to get back on that message. But the 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.960 reason why Republicans are leading so hard into this because 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:55.959 they spent the last two weeks trying to explain why 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.200 they were on the opposide of veterans, why they were 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.280 on the side of China, why they're ok with the 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.200 ten year old being great, being forced to give birth 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.919 to a baby that no one should ever have to 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:09.119 even comtemplate. And now they talk twenty four seven about 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.919 the deep state and the FBI and the dj and 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.840 all these things that they've really spent the last five years. 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:16.239 Do you and I see when you go back all 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.120 the way to the Buller pro this is familiar territory 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:22.119 for them. That's why they're so excited to be talking 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.919 about this, because they don't because they knew they were losing, 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.000 only told us things were going in the wrong direction. 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:30.679 For Republicans, comrectional Democrats on the jenera belot went up 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.480 over the last three weeks. Now they get to try 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:37.080 to distract. And I mean, ask any media producer, what 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:42.720 would you rather cover an FBI rate or legislation and 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:46.920 it will be the FBI rate, hands down every day. 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:51.359 Last questions for you, Kurt are on mid term elections. 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:58.040 NBC's Shaquille Brewster had been down in Wisconsin talking with 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:02.960 voters on the street there Republicans and them saying, you know, 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:08.280 does it matter Donald Trump's endorsement, like you, does your 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:12.080 vote sway based on that? One man, one white man, 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:15.840 made an interesting comment, and he said that he doesn't 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.680 want any politician anymore. He doesn't want to vote for 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.399 a politician. He said, I'm tired of politicians. I'm tired 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:24.920 of them, you know, telling me one thing and not 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:28.240 doing another. And so anyone who is not a politician 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.920 is who I'm voting for. What do you make of that? 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.240 Because that was also the thing that Donald Trump rode 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.679 into power on right aside from being a white supremaist 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:40.920 like I'm a businessman, I alone can fix this. And 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.720 so what do you make of folks with that kind 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:50.760 of thinking that they don't want politicians because it's synonymous 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:55.480 with do nothing or liars. I think that I would 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.080 ask those people, would you want a doctor to operate 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:00.359 on you who is a surgeon? Would you want a 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:04.200 teacher to teacher who is in credential? Would you want 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:07.840 someone to serve in the United States Armed Forces that 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.000 hasn't been trained properly to use a weapon. That's what 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:13.159 you're asking for when you say you don't want to 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:16.360 vote for a quin quote politician. And I get why 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:20.639 politician is a bad word. I get why over the 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:26.359 years we've seen that both parties frankly make a living 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:31.080 off of demonizing career life along politicians. I would say 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:35.120 that after the Donald Trump experience, they should force all 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.560 of us to look back. You know, maybe it's not 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:40.159 the workst idea. The people who sold job is to 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:44.320 write laws in America, to actually have experience being legislator. 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.359 Maybe it's not a bad idea to go back to 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.720 a time where people like mayors and city council members 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:56.160 and state legislators eventually became congressman and senators and governors 0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:01.240 and ran for president. Maybe maybe political office shouldn't go 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.080