WEBVTT - Delusional Propagandists 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:16.680 You are entering the freedom hunt. Trump's deep state enemies 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.320 are running for cover as he calls them out over 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:24.000 the weekend and says, it's time for answers. Why were 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.160 they spying on the Trump campaign? How were they spying 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.280 on the Trump campaign? Department of Justice seems to think 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.199 that it is independent of the rest of government. That 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.520 is false. Will discuss what it all means. Plus, Starbucks 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.279 now has a new bathroom policy that I don't think 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.400 it's gonna work out very well for the huge company. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.199 And we're going to talk about what is going on 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.559 with China and trade and a whole bunch of other issues. 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:55.520 Much more coming up. This is the Buck Sexton Show, 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.600 where the mission or mission is to decode what really 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:05.640 matters with action intelligence. Make no mistakes, you're a great 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:16.000 American Again the Buck Sexton Show begins. No, indeed, welcome 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.400 to the Buck Sexton Show. Everybody live from the swamp Washington, 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:25.679 d c our Nation's capital. Actually starting to get acclimated 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.920 down here. I mean it's still swampy, don't get me wrong, 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.920 but at least it's not something of a monsoon, which 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.000 is what it was for for days and days last week. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:39.039 I I'm reaching a point now where I'm wondering some 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.919 of the next moves that the deep state, anti Trump 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.759 left has in store for us. I can see them 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.960 coming a mile away, and I've been trying to prepare 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.440 you for a while with don't think that just because 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.680 we get to the truth that we will get justice. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.960 They will completely disregard any sense of fairness, fair play, 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:05.120 a decency, honor, integrity when they're finally caught. And we're 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:10.120 seeing a little bit of I think a panic that 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.799 is setting in among some of the media who have 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:16.919 been running with this fairy tale for going on two 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:22.120 years now, and a lot of former Obama administration senior 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:29.840 government officials who have some explaining to do, at a minimum, Uh, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:34.720 the issue of the possibility of a spot. I mean, 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:38.120 it's been reported all over the place. People are naming 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.160 the informant. We'll just refer to him as the informant 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.280 guy who was meeting with Page and Papadopoulos, and that 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:49.040 that he was trying to ingratiate himself with some of 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.120 these Trump campaign officials, that he was pushing some of 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:57.200 these issues. This is entrapment. This is an intelligence operation. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.720 That's what was being run to hear against people tied 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:08.000 to a presidential campaign. There's no way around this anymore. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:14.040 And that's why you've seen a remarkable shift, unbelievable really, 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.520 from if you think. I mean, this was a year 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:23.760 ago when people like you and me were saying that 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.560 it looked like somebody was spying on Trump and there's 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.600 oh no, it's crazy. It was a crazy thing to say. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.639 It was an irresponsible thing to say a year ago. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.240 Now here we are and all of a sudden, the 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.520 anti Trump left is like, yeah, sure they were spying. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.360 Of course there were spying. No big deal. Are we 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.880 supposed to pretend that we don't know that? A year 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.600 ago we were crazy to think that was happening, and 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.200 now we're told we'd be crazy not to think that 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.000 was happening. You see what they're doing here. You see 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:04.400 how the propaganda is just constantly evade responsibility for their 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:12.440 delusions there, myth making their dishonesty. Because that's what's happening, right. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.080 They just keep changing the story as it as it 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.440 moves along, as it fits their political needs, not as 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.000 it pertains to the reality of what has come before it. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:24.599 What do they have to say today? That's what they'll 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:28.400 say whatever works, whatever gets them through another twenty four 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:34.240 hour news cycle, but uh, this is very serious stuff. Also, 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:39.479 note that the leaks that came out about this informant 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.920 reported in a whole bunch of different places. Uh, New 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.080 York Times Daily Caller actually been doing and and hat 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.680 tip to them, fantastic work on this one. And they're 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:51.400 just down the street here for me in d C. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.719 Daily Caller has been doing some great stuff on this 0:04:55.760 --> 0:05:00.600 getting answers. But we know that the has been going 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.200 on now for a few days. We know that this 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:06.880 information gets out there, and now you have the sanctimonious 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:14.159 anti Trump left after using these police state tactics, which 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.159 is what this is. I mean, this is the there's 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.599 a reason, folks, and I try to remind all of 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.080 us at this from Tim and Tom, I try to 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.640 bring it into our conversation. The reason that a lot 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:28.520 of countries, the most feared apparatus in the country is 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.919 not in fact the military all that's the single greatest 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.960 concentration of force, But the most feared apparatus is the 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:43.600 intelligence agency or agencies, and sometimes in fact the country 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.760 ends up being run by the person who had previously 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:55.800 occupied the job. Of top top spy, Vladimir Prutins one example, 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:00.520 but Saddam Hussein. You go through history, plenty of cases 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.559 of either the person running the country was formerly running 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.800 the intelligence agencies, or really the most powerful person in 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.520 reality in the country was in fact the one running 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.279 the intelligence agency, not the president of the prime minister 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:20.040 of whomever. Because the ability to spy, to gather information, 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.800 especially when you're talking about by extra legal nice way 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:28.120 of saying illegal means, gives tremendous power. As we know, 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:35.480 power corrupts, and that's what you see happening here. They 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:40.480 are now acting like this was all fine, this was necessary, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.600 There were plenty of reasons to do this spying on 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.920 the Trump admistry. After telling us we were crazy before, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.360 now there's plenty of reasons to have this spying on 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.080 the Trump administration. And oh, by the way, they also 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.080 think that they that they can play this game of 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.839 league information about the informant to get ahead of the 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:04.239 story and then act like, how dare anyone talk about 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.120 this informant? I mean, I'm seeing people with a straight 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:11.080 face who are prominent government officials. Here's here's your Senator 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:16.320 Mark Warner is a perfect example play clip seven. When 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:21.480 individuals want to try to reveal classified information about the 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:25.520 identity of an FBI or c I a source that 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.120 is against the law. And I find it outrageous that 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:33.800 the president's allies are in effect playing uh fast and 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.600 loose with confidential information and don't take my work. Take 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.760 the president's own FBI director Mr. Ray, who said, if 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:46.480 you go out and start exposing classified information about informants, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.040 that you will make America less safe. I I am, 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.640 I find this totally outrageous. On some of the actions 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:59.040 of these albums. Who do we think expose this reported source? Uh, 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.080 we know who did near times anti Trump newspapers relying 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.840 on government as they say, believe them, take it or 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:10.400 leave it, government officials. So I need someone who explain 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.280 to me who's the one who's then endangering the source. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:14.760 By the way, based on who we think the source 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.960 is not in danger at all. It's a complete and 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:21.560 utter lie. This is so flimsy. But you'll notice there's 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.480 a lot of hiding behind there's there's there's a lot 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:31.520 of um hiding behind the bureaucracy going on here. A 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.320 lot of all the sort of sources and method sources 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.000 and methods. Oh, now we're going to play that game 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.400 right now, We're going to play the All classified information 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:45.520 is sacrosancing can never, can never be justified to be released, 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.960 even when it's a question about should the president even 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:53.440 be under investigation? Right now? Don't we think that these 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.440 are competing competing goods? Right? Uh? Should we know the 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.040 truth about this one source so that we know if 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.480 this whole investigation of Trump is a sham put on 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:09.000 by senior Obama administration officials. That's what this is, folks. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.839 Obama's guys and a few gals that I can think 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.240 of may have been the ones it almost it seems 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.559 certain they were the ones that created this whole collusion 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.080 Russian narrative out of out of almost nothing. I mean, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:31.760 they were stretching this stretching credulity to its limits in 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:33.679 order to get this thing going. But now it's the 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.000 source to source? Please, okay a lot. There are a 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.600 lot of sources in a lot of places. There are 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:45.560 no danger whatsoever. And this guy, I mean, especially now 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.640 that where we're finding out of this guy is based 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.800 on media reports? Are we all? So? Am I not 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.439 allowed to talk about the sources? This is this? I 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.160 want to know. Senator Mark Warner. I don't want to 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.520 ask him. So people like me and allowed to say 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.040 that it's been published everywhere. So is that a threat? 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:08.160 You know, there's a real underhanded litigiousness, you know, a 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.959 desire to try to ensnare people in the law. It's 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:12.840 kind of like Mueller trying to get people lying on 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:20.920 about non crimes. Officiousness is at the heart of this mentality, right, 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.640 Oh no, you can't sources of methods, sources methods. The 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.640 sources has been blown all of the media. You all 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.240 know who the sources, the sources being written about newspapers 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.520 all over the country. You do a Google search, you 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.560 see his photos and then everything. So we're just gonna 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.480 sit around and be like, can't talk about you can't 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.720 talk about the source. Why do you think they really 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.760 care about this? Oh, that's right, because of how terrible 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:47.760 it looks that from what we know, this was an 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:52.120 individual who was run at the Trump campaign. This would 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.760 be like, think about how easy this is. I'm somebody 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:00.839 who wants to get at Hillary Clinton. Let's just say politically, 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.280 I want to. I want to I want to mess 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.640 up her campaign. So what do I do? I hire 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.560 some people to go and try and talk to some 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:14.600 of Hillary's campaign aids about, uh, you know, hey guys, 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.280 you know, do you know, like, do you do you 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.400 have any friends you know where This is not a 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.280 perfect example, but I'm just trying to put this in 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.000 some kind of context. Do you know anybody who might 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.520 be able to, you know, help me get some weed? 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.959 You know? Think about that, right, Think about easy that 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.959 would be. And and by the way, the Hillary's campaign 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.600 aids could well say well, you know, no, no, you know, 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.160 I don't smoke or I don't do that or you 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.240 know whatever. But then I could turn around and I 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.439 could say, hey, guys, um, you know, I could talk 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.800 to d A and say, you know, there's some senior 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.800 Hillary people who are talking about about doing about some 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:47.720 drug deal stuff going on. I think you guys should 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.679 really look into this. All of a sudden, there's a 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:55.520 drug investigation Hillary Clinton's campaign aids. Right, That's basically what 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.320 we're talking about here. Against the Trump campaign. You get 0:11:58.360 --> 0:11:59.720 some guy to be like, hey, do you know anything 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.880 about Russia and emails? And you want to talk to 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.040 me about that a little bit? And these guys were like, yeah, 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:08.600 I don't really you know, nah, Papadopolis and and Paige 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.079 not exactly not to be me, but not the sharpest 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.800 tools in the ship. And they're like, non, I got nothing. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.520 Oh there's somebody here talking about Hillary Clinton emails. Guys, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.320 we need to we need to investigate this. You see, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.720 they really fabricated this narrata. That's what we're not just 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.240 finding out that they exceeded that that the deep state, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:33.319 anti Trump left, exceeded their authority, that they abused their power. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.400 All of that is all we know that's true. Now 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.400 what we're facing is the possibility, the likelihood I would 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:44.000 say that they basically fabricated this that they did. They 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.560 did the equivalent of running a confidential informant up to 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.080 somebody to start a conversation and then use that conversation 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.520 as the basis for an investigation. Well, I can tell 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.320 you because I've been involved in counter terrorism cases, you 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.680 can do this with anyone. It's not hard, trust me. 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.280 You know, you run somebody a radical of let's just 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.520 say any ideology to not make this too political right now, 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.520 but you run somebody up to somebody that you know 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.760 has pretty unorthodox views on certain things, you say, hey, 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.199 you get them engaged in conversation, you can get them 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.320 to say things. If you're trained, you know what you're doing, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:23.559 that would at least create a pretext for further investigation 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:29.200 if you really really want to. But isn't this what 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.360 they and I'm not trying to exact, isn't this what 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.320 they did with the Stazi? I mean, it isn't that 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.600 what you would expect? And in an actual police state, 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.280 running informants into people's homes or running you a person 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:46.160 to person human intelligence operations also something I'm very familiar with. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:52.400 And then use that interaction as the basis for remember 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:57.959 not a criminal investigation, a counterintelligence investigation, which needs an 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:03.679 even looser pretext. It's all coming together now, isn't it. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.600 And this is why, by the way, there there's there's 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.800 a desperational left to make this go away, to hide 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.880 the information. But when I come back, I want to 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.520 talk about my other so that the whole informant thing. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.439 People like Mark Warner, all those guy's in Jeopardy, they're liars. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.360 It's a joke. It's preposterous. The name is already out there. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.280 We all know the guy's name. And they need they 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.760 need to stop playing these games. Right left. The Democrats 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.480 need to stop, but they won't. But even in addition 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:33.800 to that, you have the notion of the independent d 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:40.800 o J. I've the constitutional illiteracy on display from senior 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:47.040 Democrats and major media figures right now. He's a complete 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:51.800 and utter debacle. I will give you details in just 0:14:51.880 --> 0:15:06.040 a moment. But long term Republican call me was a 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.040 long term Republican. They're all long term Republicans who hated Trump. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.560 So that doesn't help a Trump. You won't have any 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.080 doubt about that at the end of this because may 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:20.120 he'll find no but maybe maybe he and Comey are 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.240 so close. Their history is so close together that when 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.680 you read Comey's book and you see what he has said, 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.880 you really wonder about the objectivity of the investigation. Look, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.600 there was never a need for a special counsel. Special 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.680 counsel have targets. They're looking to try to find crimes 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:42.080 against people that doesn't serve the interests of America. Get 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:46.080 in there there, love it, there's getting frisky in there. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.720 It was him versus Dan Abrams. I think he's like 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.000 an NBC News analyst. But yeah, I hate that talking 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:56.080 about By the way, Oh, these are lifelong Republican and 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.760 comy was actually call me is not a lifelong Republican, 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.040 or at least not a GOT anymore. He changed his 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:06.160 party affiliation to independent years ago. But it's as though 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.360 they the people who say that, expect us not to 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:13.320 ever think about. Oh, there are Republicans who hate Trump 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.480 more than any Democrats that I know. There are Republicans 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.520 who are people whose names you would all know, Folks 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.920 who I know for a fact, are angrier Trump than 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.480 a lot of the Democrats I know, because they feel 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.520 like Trump has stolen their party, stolen their prerogative, stolen 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.560 their power, and they take it very personally the whole 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.840 There there are people and never Trump who are crazier 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.360 than almost not all, but almost any Democrats I know 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.680 in terms of their Trump arrangement syndrome. So how does 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.520 this talking point persist? I just want to know how 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:54.280 does this continue on all the Republicans? So what does 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.680 that mean? There are Republicans who hate Trump more than 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:00.880 any Democrat. But on the independence of the d o J. 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.960 This is my favorite one. You get all these people saying, oh, 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.800 Congress can ask the d o J for information about 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:13.600 the investigation. Wrong Trump can't even communicate with the Department 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:18.480 of Justice about any investigation. You can't fire in either wrong. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:24.199 This is just basic constitutional Well, this is illiteracy when 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.480 it comes to the Constitution. This is a lack I 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.480 can't even say of understanding. It's not so much that 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.000 they misinterpret the Constitution when it comes to DJ Right now, 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.560 it seems to be a reminder that there are people 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.440 who work in media and in the federal government who 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.240 don't really know or respect much the notion of the 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:50.800 Constitution and the whole idea of oversight. Think about what 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.359 it would mean if the d o J was beyond 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.239 so they can just prosecute anybody for any reason. Right 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.320 And there's what is the check on the Department of 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.000 Justice if not the Congress? You know what the answer is, 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:06.840 There isn't one. And we're tiring a counter intelligence investigation. 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.960 I didn't even have a criminal predicate for this stuff. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.520 They're just saying, oh, you know, we think national security, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.160 YadA YadA, let's do whatever we want, we'll keep it secret. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.680 This is not okay. This is police state stuff, folks. 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.280 I mean, I'm familiar with the tools and techniques and 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:27.560 how these things can go. You do not want federal 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:32.640 prosecutors operating at the highest levels of government who don't 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.439 have to answer to anybody. But but that's what Democrats 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.320 are saying. They want to no, no, all an independent 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.760 do o J. You mean, like how the president can 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:43.760 fire all the U S. Attorneys at the start of 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:59.119 his administration independent like that, he's holding the line for America. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:06.760 Buck Sex is back. If they ran a spy ring 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.680 or an informant ring and they were paying people within 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.760 the Trump campaign, if any of that is true, that 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.320 is an absolute red line. There is not an honest 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.600 person in this country who can believe that taxpayer dollars 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.879 going to to fund this ring and and operate like this, 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.400 like what said in the New York Times. If any 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.159 of that is true, this is a red line in 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.879 this country. You can't do this to political campaigns. This 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.679 was done in in the spring, I mean before the 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.199 counterintelligence investigation was even open. If that's true, we need 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.639 to know about it. If they paid someone, it's an 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.520 absolute red line. And this is over with. This is 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.199 over with, He says. Um, we'll have to see if 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.920 Devin Nounez is right on this one, and to give 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.000 his perspective on this and a lot of other stuff 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.879 going on right now with Russia collusion and the Muller 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.760 probe and all the rest of it. Andy McCarthy is 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.080 with us now. He's a National Review columnists also served 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.320 as as an assistant United States Attorney for the Southern 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.119 District of New York. Check out his latest column on 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:14.280 National View dot Com and politicized Justice, Desperate times call 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:18.200 for disparate measures. And you're great to have you back, 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.679 Great to be with you. Um let's start. I mean, 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.160 I really enjoyed your column right it over the weekend 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:27.600 where you just lay out the the enormous differences between 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.680 how the Hillary email investigation was handled by the same 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.080 people in in in many cases in d O J 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.000 versus what's going on with Trump at each at every 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:37.920 stage of the game. But before we get into that 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.800 side by side comparison, which I think everybody should be 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:42.719 familiar with and they should read your work on it, 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.800 what do you make of this whole, this whole informant situation. 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:47.840 And yet Noon is saying, well, if this happened, it's 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:49.399 a red line. I'm looking around, I'm seeing a lot 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.960 of Democrats that are saying well, you know, we maybe 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.679 kind of needed an informant because Trump is so dirty 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:59.880 or something. Well that's the problem, bucket's the or something. 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:04.000 You know. Um, I'm not in the same place as 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:09.160 Chairman Nunez of the Intelligence Committee, although I think he's 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:15.560 uh a good right, because I can imagine certain scenarios 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:19.560 as I'm sure you can, where if we had really 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:23.560 strong evidence to believe that a political campaign was in 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:28.800 cahoots with adversarial foreign power, that that would cry out 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.840 to be investigated, and I would be you know, it 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.960 would be something that you would hope responsible people would 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:40.239 would think long and hard and be sure about it 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.720 before they took the what would be a grievous step 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:49.159 of of using our counter intelligence powers, which are meant 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:53.080 not to spy on Americans but to protect the country 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.960 from hostile foreign powers, you know, before you would take 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:57.919 the step and use those powers in this kind of 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.920 a situation. One would hope that, you know, people would 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:03.800 think long and hard about it. But I could imagine 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.199 if there was such evidence uh doing that. I just 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:10.600 don't see that kind of evidence here, right, and and 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.520 so what when we look at this though, Andy, I 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:13.800 have to I have to know that there are some 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:16.919 people I think I saw an analysis in the Washington 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.400 Post actually saying that if there was, and there's also 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.520 a lot of games being played here with well was 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:25.359 there an informant or wasn't there? Right, You've got major 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.480 newspapers that are running with what they say or U 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.760 S officials, d J leaks about this this individual that 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.440 allegedly was reporting on Trump, and there's a lot of 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.040 specific details about his name that's already out there all 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:40.520 over the place. Also with the specific people about whom 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:44.080 he met with your Carter page and Papadopolis and with 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.800 all that, now I'm seeing people say, well it was 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.160 it was to protect Trump, And I'm seeing some desperate 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.280 lines out there from the media on this, which which 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.399 to me raises even more suspicions because there's just no 0:22:55.440 --> 0:23:00.520 way this was to protect Trump. Yeah. Plus, you know, 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.960 when when you're gonna do things like we've seen done 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.680 in this case, and we know that there were, for example, 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:13.120 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act wire taps that were done. Uh, 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:15.159 it's a part of federal law whether you do with 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.840 this on the intelligence side or the or the criminal side, 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.760 that before you take a step like that, you have 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:25.960 to consider and in the case of wire taps, show 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.840 to a chord that you've that there are alternative investigative 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.840 techniques that you've thought about using or tried to use, 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:37.280 and they won't work or don't work, and that's why 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.240 you need to do something. You know, this intrusive and 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:44.520 that should back everybody up because there's usually always a 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:50.119 way to to use a more benign procedure, particularly if 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.440 you're trying to protect the person, not investigate them. I mean, 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:57.320 and I'm familiar with mafia cases where the FBI has 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:01.960 approached people whose names came up and wire taps to say, uh, 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.440 you know, we don't want to blow our investigation here, 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:08.960 but you better be careful, um, because you know you're 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:12.400 you're in cahoots with not nice people and they're yeah, 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.480 they're talking about they're talking about your name and sleeping 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.159 with the fishes. I get it. Yeah, right. So I 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:19.600 don't know why you rate that kind of a kind 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:23.760 of behavior or that kind of treatment if you're mixed 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.960 up with wise guys, But you don't rate that kind 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.280 of treatment, you know, if you're running for president of 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.199 the United States. So why couldn't they have gone to 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:33.560 the Trump campaign and said, you know, we're a little 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:37.080 concerned here that the Russians are making efforts to infiltrate 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.600 your campaign, and we were going to speak to a 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.320 couple of people, but we want to alert you that 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.920 that there's a problem or you know, you've got a 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.040 guy like Carter Paige, who's one of the guys that 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:51.800 this informant evidently spied on. Paige had a prior history 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:56.000