1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon says it all the time, the value of 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: the ball. Welcome Birg Gang on today's show. Zach Ershman 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: joins me, and based on what we saw during the 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: divisional round, yeah, the head coach is right, the ball matters. Also, 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: we give our thoughts on Championship Sunday. There's some coaching 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: news to talk about, and the top plays of twenty 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: twenty four have been revealed. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: eight forty four, and it starts now. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 3: Won to Baker? What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 3: He's a the ten half of five. He's it again, 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: So more hurry magic whow Here's Craigcriolo. 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: So it has been a little while since our last show, 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: a full week since our last show. And look that's 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: what happens, bird Gang, when you are fortunate to have 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: a long weekend. And that's exactly what we had. Because well, 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: I think Zach, I'm gonna speak for myself. 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, we deserve it. We do deserve it. You deserve it, 22 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: I deserve it. Everybody here deserves it. Look, we wish 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 3: that there was no long weekend, it is the truth. 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 3: Then we'd be in playoff contention right now. Unfortunately though, 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: that isn't the case, and that's not going to be 26 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: the case until after the super Bowl, when the clock 27 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: hits zero. Then the Arizona Cardinals are right back on 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 3: the clock, and that's something that we're all going to 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: be looking forward to. 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: We will get into what we saw during the divisional 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: round and then look ahead to championship Sunday. But there 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: is some news items to get to involving the Cardinals. 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: Nothing major, but again, at some point, Drew Petsing is 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: going to get a head coaching job, and I would 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: expect Nick Rowlis as well. They are too good as 36 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: the OC and the DC respectively, and then considering what 37 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: we've seen from them for the past two seasons, and 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: we did see earlier in this offseason that Petsing, according 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: to reports, interviewed for the Bears head coaching opening. That job, though, 40 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: has been filled the Lions OC Ben Johnson got the job, 41 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: so it's unfortunate for Drew because you'd always like to 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: see people excel and grow within the in the business. 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: Yet at the same time, the selfishness is okay. You 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: maintain some continuity along the offensive coaching staff, and that's 45 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: always important when you have young pieces offensively. 46 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: Well, we talk about growing within the business. Drew, Petsing 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: and Nick Rowis continued to grow as coordinators. They just 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 3: completed their second full year in their respective roles, and 49 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: I think we were able to see the jump from 50 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: the Cardinals offense with a full season on Kyle Murray. 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: There's a reason why the Cardinals doubled their win total 52 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 3: from four to eight. You were able to see in 53 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 3: year number two how they were able to use Buddha 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: Baker differently. And by differently, I mean they took the 55 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: handcuffs off if there were such a thing as handcuffs 56 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: being on Buddha Baker, and they led him roam free 57 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: and he was all over the field. Is why he 58 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: finished in the top five. I'm pretty sure top three 59 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: even in tackleser most by a safety in a group 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: full of linebackers. So I think you've been able to 61 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: see that jump. You've been able to see that growth 62 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: from the coaching staff. We always talk about that jump 63 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: from year one to year two when it comes to players, 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 3: you start to see it when it comes to coaches, 65 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: and I think it's a testament to that as to 66 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: why Drew Petsing was even in the conversation to be 67 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: a head coach in the National Football League with Chicago Bear. 68 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: You certainly saw progress from year one to year two. 69 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: Ob believe that year two was a full year with 70 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray for full offseason, full healthy offseason. So now 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: you're going into this second offseason again, Kyler is completely 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: healthy second year, and the system should be a little 73 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: bit more comfortable, even though he did get those eight 74 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: games in year one. But I think the big thing 75 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: is to maintain what you did as an offense as 76 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: far as place calling, as far as what works, what 77 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: didn't work, Kyler, What do you like, what didn't you like, 78 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: or what do we think we have to do to 79 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: be successful? Maybe we weren't all right, Let's work on 80 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: that now in this offseason. 81 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: And we've heard from Jonathan Gannon during the season that 82 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray was very vocal about what he liked, what 83 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: he didn't like, and he and johnath Agannon has talked 84 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: about how he's in locks up with Manti Austin, for 85 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: how he's locked up with Drew petsing, with Kyler Murray, 86 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: whoever is in this building. Johnathan Gannon wants to make 87 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: sure that they're, you know, hand in hand in these 88 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: decisions about what they like and that they're very vocal 89 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 3: about it. With that being said, you can't undermine and 90 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: undervalue what reps are and what they actually bring to 91 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: the table. Because there were moments during those before the 92 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: eight games when Kyler played in twenty twenty three where 93 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: he was standing next Drew Petsy and said, this is 94 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: what I like, this is what I didn't like. Then 95 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 3: you have that eight game sample size and you're starting 96 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: to evaluate it. As I've said before here on Cardinals 97 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: Cover two, is that I look at those as eight 98 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 3: culture games, eight games about what do you have in 99 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: this building right now? Because we saw how it looked 100 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 3: completely different going from twenty twenty three to twenty twenty 101 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: four this past season. Now you have a full season, 102 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 3: seventeen games on tape, what do you like? You were 103 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 3: able to do whatever possible out there, and there were 104 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: things that work. The running game was spectacular. You know 105 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: that you have the ability to run with Kyler Murray 106 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: there's no hesitation when it comes to his knee after 107 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: the ACL But you also have to start to think 108 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: about what can we improve on the downfield? Passing attack 109 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: definitely comes to mind, because in what ways can you 110 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: also unlock a guy like Marvin Harrison Junior for continued 111 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: and consistent success a. 112 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: Top five run offense, top twenty pass offense. And you 113 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: would hope, especially with Kyler and how well he is 114 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: a depth at throwing the ball downfield and how accurate 115 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: he is the decision making, that you're more of a 116 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: top ten passing offense. I don't think that's going out 117 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: on a limb or expecting too much, especially year two 118 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: with Marvin Harrison Junior, another year with Michael Wilson. Certainly 119 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: Trey McBride his elevation as far as a top tight 120 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: end in the league. And then you figure out what 121 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: else do you need around them as far as another 122 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: playmaker wide receiver or is it just giving Colin more 123 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: time in the pocket that goes to more of the 124 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: offensive line. Do you upgrade the interior or off of 125 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: the offensive line, Because we know those five guys up 126 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: front certainly know how to run block, and it doesn't 127 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: matter who's in the backfield, but that it was. That's 128 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: where this offense has been able to hang its hat 129 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: on each of the past two seasons. 130 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: So you'd have to decide how Isaiah Adams how much 131 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: he improved. When you think about the interior, coming in 132 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: as that third round pick and then starting for the 133 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: entire second half of the season for the most part 134 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: at that right guard spot, you have a lot of 135 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: free agency questions. A guy like Evan Brown is scheduled 136 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: to hit the market because he only signed a one 137 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: year deal. What about Will Hernandez at the right guard spot, 138 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: who's also expected to hit free agencies contract expired after 139 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: this season. All of these things are conversations. But I 140 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: think that we talk about the jump it's a resilient 141 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: group because even when the Cardinals were six and four, 142 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: there were things that were not fully clicking. Specifically that 143 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: downfield passing attack. You saw glimpses of it. You saw 144 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 3: flashes in the game against Miami when Marvin Harrison Junior 145 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: had that one crossing route and made a really nice 146 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: grab in the end zone against the Dolphins, and lining 147 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: up across from Jalen Ramsey. You saw flashes of it. 148 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: How can you start to have repeated successes like that 149 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: Week two game against the Los Angeles Rams where Marvin 150 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: had over one hundred receiving yards in the first quarter. 151 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: And I know that that's an anomaly that's not going 152 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: to happen every single game, but that didn't happen at 153 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: all afterwards. What can you do as a staff and 154 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: as an offense to make sure that you see a 155 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: little bit more of that is the question. 156 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: Certainly there's room for growth within this offense. And now 157 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: you've got the quote unquote head coach of the offense, 158 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: your offensive coordinator, Drew Petsing not going anywhere here in 159 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. So that is good news. Some more 160 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: good news, and this is where you like to see 161 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: young coaches get rewarded, and we saw it last year, 162 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: whether it was the Senior Bowl or the Hula Bowl, 163 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: or in this case the East West Shrine Bowl, which 164 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: is coming up on Thursday, January threeth. There are a 165 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: couple of coaches Cardinals coaches that are involved in the 166 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: East West Shrine Bowl. Connor Singer, assistant quarterbacks coach will 167 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: be part of the West staff working with wide receivers, 168 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: and Ronald Booker defensive quality control coach. He's also part 169 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: of the West staff working with linebackers. So two young 170 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: pieces as far as that coaching staff that are getting 171 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: their names out there, getting a little bit more experience 172 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: as they worked their way up the coaching ranks. 173 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 3: Last season, the Cardinals had a lot of members of 174 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: the staff taking in the All Star Bowl games, mostly 175 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: because when you are near the upper half of the 176 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: draft order, you have a lot more of a hands 177 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 3: on involvement in these All Star games. Drew Terrell was 178 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator at the East West Shrine Bowl last year. 179 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 3: Izzy Wolfork worked at the Senior Bowl with the quarterbacks. 180 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 3: So to see guys like Connor and like book who 181 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 3: are two young guys that are starting to rise up 182 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: in the coaching ranks. Both of them came in as 183 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: fellows to the Cardinals team, to the Cardinals organization, and 184 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: to see how they have continued to consistently grow. We 185 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 3: talk about that consistency you want to see from your 186 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: players and from a game to game situation. These are 187 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: two guys that are part of the coaching staff that 188 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: you might not recognize right off the bat, like a 189 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: guy like Drew Petsing or Nick Rolis. They might not 190 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: have the name yet, but it's taking part in games 191 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: like these, receiving these honors and these rec cognitions, working 192 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: hands on with a lot of the future stars of 193 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: the NFL that it's a tip of the cap to 194 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: them and it's definitely something that that's nice to see. 195 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: It's a reward for the work that they put in 196 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: and the hours that they put in Monday through Sunday. 197 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: So this is good for them and hopefully they enjoy 198 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: their role as far as what they're being able to 199 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: do because instead of you know, maybe assisting in the 200 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks room like Connor, now all of a sudden you're 201 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: working with the wide receivers. And it's important for young 202 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: coaches to kind of get their hands dirty in all 203 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: aspects of the coaching because Drew Petsing didn't start out 204 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: as an offensive guy. It was a defensive quote unquote coach, 205 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: and then you work your way up the ladder, working 206 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: with different position groups ultimately to become a coordinator and 207 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: then the goal of everyone is to be a head coach. 208 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 3: And while this is great, for them personally. It's also 209 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: great intel that the Cardinals are able to bring into 210 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: their draft process. You think about guys like Tip Ryman, 211 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: who really stood out in the East West Shrine Game 212 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: last year. Gave about Christian Jones, who did a really 213 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: solid job at the recent Senior Bowl. I'm looking here 214 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 3: at the group that Connor has. While the Cardinals brought 215 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: in the Xavier Weaver from the Colorado Buffaloes, Connor has 216 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 3: three Colorado wide receivers in his room, and one guy 217 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: that stands out in particular is a guy like Jimmy Horn. 218 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 3: We talk about the potential need for a down, downfield 219 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: deep threat, a speedy guy. A guy like Jimmy Horn 220 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: has that ability. Lejonte Wester from Colorado's looked really good 221 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: as the tree, Shawn Holden from Oregon. So these are 222 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 3: just some of the names that they're gonna be working with, 223 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 3: and the chances are that they land with the Arizona Cardinals. 224 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 3: Who knows, I don't know. But with that being said, 225 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: they still have an opportunity to come back to Tempe 226 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: after they take part in this game in Arlington and 227 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: they get to say Connor or Book gets to say, hey, 228 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: look this prospect really stood out to me. I worked 229 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,239 Speaker 3: hands on with him. I saw how we studied the playbook, 230 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: the installs that we had. Here's what I think he 231 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 3: could bring to the Arizona Cardinals. And that sort of 232 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: intel is one hundred. 233 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: Valued something you don't get just by watching the film alone, 234 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: where you can get some hands on these young prospects 235 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: to figure out, all, right, are they in it for 236 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: the right reason? Do they have the passion? Because we 237 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: know in order to be invited into the Arizona Cardinals, 238 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: you've got to have passion for the game. And then yeah, 239 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: maybe maybe this is more of a development. I mean, 240 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: maybe it's not a draft pick, but maybe it's an 241 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free agent and then all of a sudden 242 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: you work your way towards the active roster and ultimately 243 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: a uniform on game day. So it's a good starting 244 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: point and it's great observation on your point, Zach, as 245 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: far as yeah, as much intel as you can get, 246 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: maybe you do find that diamond and the rough and 247 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: you can point back to that East West Shrine Bowl 248 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: or the Senior Bowl or the Hula Bowl or whatever 249 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: it is and go, yeah, we liked him because and 250 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: we relied on that, and then you dive into the 251 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: film and all the background checks to make sure that 252 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: they are actually who they who they really are. 253 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: The measurables for a guy like Darius Robinson were always 254 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 3: going to stand out, but he finished with the MVP 255 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: of the recent Senior Bowl and or the Defensive Player 256 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: of the Week rather is what I'm pretty sure the 257 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 3: official title is for the award last season, and those 258 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: are the type of things that I'm sure when Chris 259 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: Cook was working with the offensive line during those games 260 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: and he saw Darius Robinson on the other side, that's 261 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: a guy that stands out and there's a reason why 262 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 3: he's an Arizona Cardinal. And Monte Austin Ford has talked 263 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: about how valuable these three four days you get to 264 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: spend what the players are because you also just get 265 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: to see them as people too. This is a staff 266 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 3: that is very keen on the culture that they want 267 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: to establish here. If there's a player, as you said, Craig, 268 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: there are moments we're able to watch the tape back 269 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: and be like, Okay, this is a player that might 270 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 3: be able to fit in our system, but what about 271 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: the person? What about when the lights are off, when 272 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: the lights are not shining, that's what you get to see. 273 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 3: And that's what these All star games bring to the table. 274 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: So we wish both Connor and Ronald Well in their 275 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: involvement in the Waist East West Shrine Ball and hopefully 276 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: get an updates on how things went as we get 277 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: closer and closer to that game, which will be played 278 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: on January thirtieth. Speaking of games, got two more coming 279 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: up on Sunday Championship Sunday, January twenty sixth NFC Championship 280 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Game one pm on Fox, Commanders at the Eagles, AFC 281 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: Championship Game four thirty on CBS, Bills at the Chiefs. 282 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: Any one of these games stand out more than another, Zach, 283 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: And I know you're grinning on earr smiling, but I'm 284 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: not going there. I'm not opening up that door. I'm 285 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: just asking you, as a football fan, is there a 286 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: particular game that you are more interested in more? 287 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: I'm interested in both because these are good. To say, 288 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: you will get to see the teams that will represent 289 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: the NFC in the AFC, in the Super Bowl, and 290 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: that's pretty exciting. And I will say these are two rivals. 291 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: I both games have rivalries on the line with the 292 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles and the Washington Commanders. That's an NFC East 293 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: battle that they split the season. They split the series 294 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: this past season one and one. On the AFC side 295 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: with the Bills and the Chiefs, man that's been a 296 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: playoff battle that has over the past five six years especially, 297 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: that's one that everybody has circled and it always seems 298 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: to be the game that keeps coming back and keeps 299 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: coming back, and the Chiefs have had the upper hand 300 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: for majority of the time. There's a reason why they 301 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: are the back to back defending champions and they're trying 302 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: to be the first ever repeat. There's a Josh Allen though, 303 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 3: in the way, and he's a guy that has not 304 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: been able to get the best of the Kansas City 305 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: Chiefs in the past. That could potentially change this week. 306 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: Bills did win the regular season meeting thirty to twenty 307 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: one in Week eleven, but again, it's the postseason success 308 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: that everyone is measured by, and there's when no one 309 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: better at it currently than Patrick Mahomes who's seven and 310 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: zero in the divisional round and looking for another Super Bowl. 311 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: Just that, just hearing that stat I mean, I thought 312 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins put it very perfectly, and he said he 313 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 3: watches sometimes Patrick Mahomes play and he questions how he 314 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 3: could be playing even the same position as Patrick Mahomes 315 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: when he was getting tackled and still was able to 316 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: lob the ball over to Travis Kelcey for that first 317 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: down completion. The guy's unreal. The guy is definitely unreal. 318 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: And it's not by a mistake that he is seven 319 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: and zero divisional rounds. 320 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: Again, maybe not the best statistical season for Kansas City, 321 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: but they find a way. And ultimately, that's what every 322 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: team wants to be a part of is Championship Sunday. 323 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: You want to be one of these last four teams, 324 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: remaining ultimately one of the last two and then ultimately 325 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl to become Lombardi Trophy champions. But 326 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: you look at all four of these teams and why 327 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: they're here, and then you kind of go back and go, Okay, 328 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: what's what's missing. What's keeping the Arizona Cardinals from one 329 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: of these spots or one of these playoff positions. But 330 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: just going back to the divisional round, all four teams Commanders, Eagles, Bills, 331 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: and Chiefs. They were out gained, and I know sometimes 332 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: we get lost in some of these numbers and statistics, 333 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: and Jonathan Gannon and even Drew Petsing to a degree 334 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: when you ask about offense, it's like, we just need 335 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: to score one more point than our opponent. But there 336 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: are certain measurables, if you will, that do stand out, 337 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: and specifically from the divisional round Commanders, Eagles, Bills and Chiefs, 338 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: they combined for no turnovers, zero turnovers and ten takeaways. 339 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: And the takeaway is something that Jonathan Gannon always harps 340 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: on weekend and week out, the value of the ball. 341 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: We hear it so often it becomes cliche, but it 342 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: is something that means something and ultimately bears the results. 343 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: You take care of the football more times than not, 344 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: you are going to put yourself in better position to 345 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: succeed and ultimately win more games, make the playoffs, and 346 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: hopefully have a deep run. 347 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 3: Joshua doobts when he was the quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals, 348 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: there was a stretch during the season in twenty twenty 349 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 3: three when he wasn't giving the ball away and somebody 350 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 3: asked him about his success and the lack of turnovers, 351 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 3: and he gave a speech that basically said, the ball 352 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 3: is everybody's hopes and dreams. It's everybody's key to getting 353 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: into the Super Bowl, it's everybody's keys to contract extensions, 354 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: all these different things. And we all were kind of 355 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: laughing because it's how is this inanimate object everybody's hopes 356 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 3: and dreams. But then you start to think about it. 357 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 3: When you have the ball and you're the one and 358 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,239 Speaker 3: you're the team that's not giving away the ball, you 359 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 3: get to see the turnover margin and you get to 360 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: see how important it is. There the reason why defenses 361 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: are just they're just craving the football. All they want 362 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: to do is get that football in their arms to 363 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 3: give it back to the offense. And the offense's job 364 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 3: is to make sure that that does not happen, that 365 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 3: they do not give the ball away to the defense. 366 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 3: And while I know in Philadelphia there's a lot of 367 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 3: talk about Jalen Hurts in the passing yards, he hasn't 368 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: been throwing for many I'm pretty sure he was under 369 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: one thirty in the past two playoff games in terms 370 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 3: of passing yards. When you have a weapon like Saquon 371 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: Barkley to your left hand side. It's not a bad 372 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: thing to be running the football as much as they are, 373 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: But because he hasn't been giving the football away, it's 374 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 3: been like a give and take. Would you rather be 375 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 3: throwing for two hundred and three hundred and four hundred 376 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 3: yards but potentially be a little bit reckless with the 377 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: football and potentially putting it in harms way? Or do 378 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 3: you want to be safe and smart with it. And 379 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: when situations like that happen, you get to see the 380 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 3: four teams. They're not giving it away, they're not putting 381 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 3: the ball in harms way, they're keeping it with the offense, 382 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: and they're doing whatever they can to do what Drew 383 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: Petsing has always talked about it, and just simply score 384 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: one more point than their opponent. Teams remaining rank in 385 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 3: the top ten and turnover margin by comparison, the Cardinals 386 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: ranked eighteenth and turnover margin. Only one playoff. 387 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: Team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, finished with a negative turnover margin. 388 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: They were minus five Cardinals minus three. Again, the value 389 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: of the ball, protect the football and then obviously take 390 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: the football away. And I think that, more than anything, 391 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: is something defensively that you would like to see a 392 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: little bit more out of Nick Rollis's unit, How do 393 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: you take the ball away more than they did? Seventeen 394 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: takeaways last season tied to the seventh fewest in the league, 395 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: And there was a stretch there were a couple of 396 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: weeks where there were zero takeaways in consecutive weeks and 397 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: stretches and you're like, Okay, well, you're playing good defense, 398 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: but a takeaway all of a sudden takes away a possession. 399 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: And if you get a takeaway in advantage field position 400 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: in the offense doesn't have to go eighty yards, maybe 401 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: it's just forty or thirty five yards in order to 402 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: get a touchdown, ultimately that's the goal. So the takeaway, 403 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: I think is something that is the biggest takeaway defensively 404 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: for this defense going into this offense in this offseason 405 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: as far as how do we get our hands on 406 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: more footballs, whether that's interceptions or forcing that football out 407 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: of the ball carrier's hands onto the ground and ultimately 408 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: recovering it. 409 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I see what you did there about the takeaways 410 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 3: and your takeaway. I appreciate that. Look, I think back 411 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: to last season, and when you think back to last season, 412 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: Jalen Thompson pretty sure had four interceptions and this past 413 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 3: season none if I'm not mistaken, Yeah none in no 414 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 3: interceptions for Jalen Thompson, and he had four that would 415 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 3: have led the team this year. The leader this year 416 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: was Sean Murphy bunting with three interceptions. Garret Williams was 417 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: with two, and then only a few other players had 418 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: won the takeaways. You wish that, Like, as I said, 419 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: the players on the defense side of the ball just 420 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 3: crave the football. That's what they want. They want those takeaways. 421 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: But there are ways that stats don't fully say the 422 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: full story in a sense, like there have been so 423 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: many situations when the Cardinals have had fourth down stops 424 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: on defense when they've done really solid. I think back 425 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: to the Buddha Baker stop against the Los Angeles Rams 426 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 3: once again week two. It was early on in the 427 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 3: game they stopped Cooper Cup on fourth and two, and 428 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: that's a turnover. It might not be a takeaway, but 429 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: it's a turnover and getting the ball back to the 430 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: offense is ultimately what matters most. But yeah, you wish 431 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 3: that your secondary was able to get their hands on 432 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 3: a couple more footballs. There were a handful of forced 433 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: fumbles that were not fumble recoveries on the flip side 434 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 3: of that. So, whatever it is, the ball is everybody's 435 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 3: hopes and dreams, and if an opposing offense is out there, 436 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 3: the Cardinals get to be dream killers on the defensive 437 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: side of the ball. You just need to see a 438 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: little bit more of that. In twenty twenty five. 439 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: Breaking down the takeaway numbers, and as I mentioned, seventh 440 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: fewest the league average is twenty one league average as 441 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: far as the playoff team's twenty five, So a significant 442 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: difference between where the Cardinals are and where the playoff 443 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: teams are as far as taking the football away. And 444 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: then of those seventeen takeaways, nine interceptions, eight fumble recoveries 445 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: nine interceptions, that's not great. That's near the bottom third 446 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: as far as other teams having less than ten interceptions. 447 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: You want that number to be in the teams. Good 448 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: news here is the Cardinals, to your point, did force 449 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: a league high seven fumbles inside the red zone, but 450 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: only recovered three. And that's my point. 451 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 3: I'm looking here at the stats here, sixteen force fumbles 452 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 3: and only seven total fumble recoveries on the defensive side 453 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: of the ball. It's situations like that where that margin, 454 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: that margin could really shift a ballgame. And I'm not 455 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: I don't fully recall when each of the other nine 456 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: fumbles happened and why they were not recovered. Nonetheless, though 457 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 3: two or three added to that list, and you're able 458 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: to recover those, the season could look very different because 459 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: all it takes is just one big time play. All 460 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 3: it takes is one big time stop. I mean, look 461 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 3: the game against the San Francisco forty nine Ers in 462 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: Week five. I'm pretty sure Jessica Luketta forced a fumble 463 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 3: inside the ten. Mac Wilson was able to jump on 464 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 3: it as Kaizer White was also making the tackle, and 465 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 3: the Cardinals were able to drive down the field for 466 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: Chad Ryland to make the game winning field goal or 467 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: the game ceiling field goal at that point. Because of that, 468 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: if that situation does not happen, if you do not 469 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 3: jump on that football and recover it inside the ten, 470 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: the Cardinals might not be able to go on that 471 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: four game win streak. It's funny you bring up the 472 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: forty nine Ers game and both wins and both times 473 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: the Cardinals forced three takeaways in each of those two games, 474 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: so six takeaways of the seventeen total happen in two 475 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 3: games against the San Francisco forty nine ers. Now the 476 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: question is, okay, well how do you get more takeaways? 477 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: And there is a teaching aspect to this because you 478 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 3: remember what Nick Rolis said late in the season when 479 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: there were some defenders getting their hands on footballs as 480 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: a pass defense, but not quite hauling it in for 481 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 3: an interception. So it goes back to all right, you 482 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: were in position. Can you be in better position to 483 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: get both hands on the football secure the football? And 484 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: it becomes more of a all right, where are you? 485 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 3: Are you in the proper position? One? 486 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: Are you using the proper technique to get that football 487 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: back to the offense. And then as far as forcing fumbles, 488 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: they do think the Cardinals do a good job of 489 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: that because they practice it every single day. As far 490 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: as punching the ball out the Peanut Tillman drill that 491 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: he made so famous and so successful that now every 492 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: team does it, you're seeing defenders if you're in the 493 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: proper position, obviously you want to make that tackle, but 494 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: can you get a hand on the ball, a fist 495 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: on that ball to punch it out? Punch it loose 496 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: to one and now all of a sudden, there's a 497 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: scramble for it and you fall on it. 498 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: I think that's something that the Cardinals secondary does really well, 499 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 3: is being able to punch the football out of the way. 500 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: But and you see it in these division games with 501 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 3: the running backs. For these four teams that are going 502 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: to be playing in the conference championships, they all have 503 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 3: really good running backs, all have really aggressive running backs 504 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: back there, and the defensive line is always trying to 505 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: punch the football loose. That's something that I think this 506 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: Cardinals defensive line also needs to start to implement a 507 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: little bit more in their game, because the Cardinals did 508 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: a really solid job in terms of their linebackers forcing fumbles, 509 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: their secondary, their corners doing a really solid job. The 510 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 3: defensive line also if they start if they're able to, 511 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: once again, the way that Nick Rolis schemes up his defense, 512 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 3: it could be only one defensive lineman out on the 513 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 3: field and three edge rushers. It depends on the scheme 514 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 3: in the situation, but you want to be able to 515 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: start seeing a couple more force fumbles at the line 516 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 3: of scrimmage, and not just as they break free on 517 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 3: the left or right side, on the right side of 518 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 3: the field, and you need your linebackers or corners to 519 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: start punching to lose. 520 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: Now, once you do get that takeaway, it's up to 521 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: the offense to do something with it. And this is 522 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: the other part of the equation, because the Cardinals offensively 523 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: didn't take advantage of a lot of those takeaways. Seventeen 524 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: takeaways forty three points off those takeaways, again, seventh fewest 525 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: in the league. You look at seventeen takeaways, if you 526 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: score a touchdown off of every single one, that's one 527 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen points. 528 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 3: Good math, I. 529 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: Did it real quick while you were speaking. But again, 530 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: only forty three is what They had four touchdowns, five 531 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: field goals, and two of those touchdowns happened Week eighteen 532 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers. So some of these numbers 533 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: are skewed because of the three takeaways they had in 534 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: the regular season finale and the two touchdowns at the 535 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: offense scored off those three takeaways. So going into week eighteen, 536 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: they only had two touchdowns off of takeaways. And so 537 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: again it's that complimentary football we talk about often when 538 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: it becomes a defensive stop, the offense scores well it 539 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: works the same way when the defense gets a stop 540 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: off a takeaway, are you taking advantage? Are you getting 541 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: points off those takeaways? And again, too many times the 542 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals were coming up empty. 543 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 3: It's a gift when your defense is able to give 544 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 3: the football right back to the offense, and when the 545 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: Cardinals offense isn't able to fully maximize their opportunities, as 546 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: John Degan and likes to talk about in whatever facet 547 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: that it's done in throughout the facility, but on the field, 548 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 3: when you get the ball giving back to the offense 549 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: and Kyler Murray and company is not able to fully 550 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 3: maximize their opportunities, that's a tough pill to swallow because 551 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: you just mentioned the one hundred and nineteen points. Is 552 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: that what you said corrupt? I'm good at repeating numbers 553 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: when you think about the single digit point losses and 554 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: how those really have hurt the Arizona Cardinals that I 555 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 3: also have helped when they were able to go on 556 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: the four game winning streak and they had three game 557 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: winning field goals by Chad Ryland. Those are important. Every 558 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 3: point matters, and I think in the game like the 559 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: game against the Minnesota Vikings, there were opportunities to score, 560 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: and those have to be translated to field goals as 561 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 3: opposed to touchdowns. That's where I want to see this offense. 562 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 3: I want to see this offense grow from a deep 563 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 3: field passing perspective, but you might need another weapon to 564 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 3: make that happen. We just talked about earlier with the 565 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: potential speedster, like a guy like Jimmy Horn Junior. But 566 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 3: when it comes to getting in the red zone, it's capitalizing. 567 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 3: It's making the most of those twenty yards on the 568 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: field and not settling for three but striving for six. 569 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: Again, when you look at those one score games, the 570 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: Cardinals were three and five and one score games, and 571 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: that's the separation three wins or at least two wins 572 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: to get to ten wins on the season, and all 573 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you are a playoff team. That's how 574 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: slim the margin of era is when you're talking about 575 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: the NFL and teams that make the playoffs versus the 576 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: teams that just are on the outside looking at. 577 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: I saw a stat somewhere on Twitter over the weekend 578 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: and it said, if you flip the if you flipped 579 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: the one score losses for every single team in the NFL, 580 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 3: the Cardinals would have the three seed and be the 581 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 3: division champions. So that that's a tough deal. 582 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: Straight doesn't make me feel any better as I watch 583 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: everyone in the playoffs, But yeah, to your point, year 584 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: and the Chantay Chiefs are probably have like what three 585 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: or four wins total exactly the the record in the postseason, 586 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 1: while you just need to get in the postseason. Then 587 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: after that everybody's got a fresh late zero zero record 588 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: and it's winner go home type mentality. That's what that's 589 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: where I would want to put my money off of 590 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, that winner go home mentality. Unfortunately, though, 591 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: when you have these one score games, it makes it 592 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: it makes it very challenging, and that's something at the 593 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals are gonna need to take advantage of when they 594 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: when given the opportunity next year because majority of the 595 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: games in the NFL go down to one possession of 596 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: one score, and it becomes even more of a challenge 597 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: if your offense doesn't protect the football. The other aspects 598 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: of turnover margin is giveaway. As I mentioned, the four 599 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: teams in the playoffs combined for zero giveaways and ten takeaways. 600 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: Of course, the Lions accounted for five of those takeaways, 601 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: and the Rams had two turnovers leading to two field goals. 602 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: They lose by six points in Philadelphia. So again all 603 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: this matters, but with respects to the Cardinals. They had 604 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: twenty total giveaways this season, eleven interceptions, nine loss fumbles. 605 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: Eight of the eleven interceptions happened after the bye week. 606 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 3: There were six. 607 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: Instances in which the Cardinals had multiple giveaways in a 608 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: single game. Four of the six happened post by And 609 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: that's why we heard more and more from JG and 610 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: everyone else the value of the football. It's the part 611 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: of his talking about JG, part of his double positive 612 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: stat its turnover margin and its explosive plays. How many 613 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: does the offense manufacture, how many does the defense allow? 614 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: And specifically when it comes to turnovers, Cardinals are very 615 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: good when they win the turnover battle. They were five 616 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: to zero in five games in which they won the 617 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: turnover battle. They were one in five in the six 618 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: games that they lost the turnover battle. Again, there's some 619 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: nuance within all of this, but the value of the football. 620 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: Take the football away, protect the. 621 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: Football, of course, and we talk about each takeaway and 622 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 3: each giveaway is a little bit different. You think about 623 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 3: the times that Kyler chucked a downfield against the Los 624 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 3: Angeles Rams in that second to last week of the season, 625 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,239 Speaker 3: which basically served as a punt and was actually a 626 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 3: really solid job in the words of Marvin Harrison Junior, 627 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: because when he threw a deep and double coverage to 628 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: marrow in In, the Rams were stuck inside their own 629 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: ten as opposed to the Cardinals having a punt it 630 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 3: away and potentially only getting it inside the twenty or 631 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: thirty and giving them potential for a punt return. So 632 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 3: each giveaways a little bit different, but that number is staggering, 633 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: the one in five losing the turnover battle. It's not 634 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: You need to minimize your your errors and that's essentially 635 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: what it comes down to, and when you make the 636 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: most of them, you go five and zero winning the 637 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 3: turnover battle. And I think that as a defensive guy, 638 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 3: that's something that johnt again and is very proud of 639 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 3: because when his defense is giving the Cardinals opportunities, they 640 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 3: seem to be making the most of it when they 641 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 3: do win the turnover battle. Again. 642 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: Total yards, Yeah, you like to see over three hundred 643 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: yards offensively and allow fewer than two hundred and fifty 644 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: or two hundred yards, But sometimes that doesn't always tell 645 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: the story. As we say again, every team that won 646 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: during the divisional round wars out gained and they all 647 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: found a way because they were able to take the 648 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: football away and not turn the football over. So something 649 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: to pay attention to when you look at this team 650 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. Can you get that takeaway total 651 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: up and can you reduce your giveaways, specifically your interceptions. 652 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: But good point made by Uzak as far as that 653 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: Kyler interception against the Rams, because that was a punt 654 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: and it still goes as an interception, but that was 655 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: again taking a chance, and unfortunately it's a pick and 656 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it shows up in the 657 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: statue and you look like, oh, Kyler had an interception. 658 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: Well he did, but it wasn't. Not all interceptions are 659 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: created equal to borrow a phrase from Ron Wolfley, because 660 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: there are certain interceptions that are that point a good interception. 661 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: Fourth down, throw it deep, it gets picked off. Better 662 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: to have it picked off inside the ten than the 663 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: other team takeover where the line of scrimmage was on 664 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: that fourth down play one hundred percent, and you go 665 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 1: back to the game against the Minnesota Vikings as well, 666 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: that when he tried to throw it deep down the 667 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: field and got the loss. In translation, I'm pretty sure 668 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: it was Michael Wilson, and the Minnesota Vikings were completely 669 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: different field position than the otherwise would have been. So yeah, 670 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: not every single interception is equal to the same essentially, 671 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: but I do think that there were opportunities where Kart 672 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: where Kyle Murray overthrew somebody and it turned into an interception. 673 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: What this Cardinals offense needs to do Drew pets and 674 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray during the offseason is trying to find a 675 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: similar theme during those wins that they were able to 676 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: differentiate in the losses. And I asked Drew petsing about 677 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: it during the season if he could pinpoint something, what 678 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: has been the difference in his eyes? And he said, 679 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: at that moment, and once again I put him on 680 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: the spot, it was during the season. He's not thinking 681 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: holistically about the twenty twenty four season at that point 682 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: as he's getting right to play. I'm pretty sure it 683 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: was New England or Carolina, neither here or there. I'm 684 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: interested to see though after when we get it chance 685 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 1: to speak with Drew Pets and if he is able 686 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: to find any similarities or any themes that can separate 687 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: what happened in the wins versus what happened in the losses. 688 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: One last aspect on this value of the ball as 689 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: far as keeping it and then taking it away, comes 690 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: down to our top plays of twenty twenty four something. 691 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: I know, Zach, you worked on a lot over those 692 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: last week and a half, but the top plays on offense, defense, 693 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: and special teams. This is beyond what we did as 694 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: far as our year d awards are concerned. But the 695 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: top plays offensively the best play at least. I guess 696 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't even know who decided all of this because. 697 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 3: Either I was given the list. 698 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, that's fair because it's debatable. Goodasycardinals dot Com. 699 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: Look at the top ten and you can agree or disagree. 700 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: Top offensive play wasn't the top play a year in 701 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: our awards ceremony, But the top play was Trey McBride 702 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: hurtling over the Jets in week ten. I think that 703 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: was more because of the athleticism involved. 704 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, we worked with our video department on this, and 705 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 3: great job by them editing a really nice video. Jackson 706 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 3: Adock did it, and Alex Greenberg did it, So kudos 707 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 3: to those two guys. I will say, though, when you visually, 708 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 3: when you watch this Trade McBride play, in my opinion, 709 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 3: it could be the player of the year just visually, 710 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 3: just how mean he was where he was getting tackled 711 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 3: short of the first down marker and then threw off 712 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner and then in a three sixty turns around 713 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 3: and sees a safety Jalen Mills right there and then 714 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 3: it hurdles over him and still gets a few extra 715 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 3: yards up thirteen to six. And then then that also 716 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 3: set up Marvin Harrison Junior touchdown. So it was a 717 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 3: really nice play visually, at least on the on the 718 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball. Special teams. It was DJ 719 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 3: Dallas's kick return for a touchdown against the Buffalo Bills, 720 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 3: and I think you can't dispute that one just because 721 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 3: of how historic that play was, the first player to 722 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 3: ever do so, and how it also set the tone. 723 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 3: Now the Cardinals we talk about one score games. It 724 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 3: lost just by one score to the Buffalo Bills. It 725 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 3: would have been a completely different ball game if Dj 726 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 3: Dallas and not take it to the house against the 727 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills. And then on the defensive side of the ball, 728 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 3: the top play was that Buddha Baker fourth down stop 729 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 3: that I mentioned, just shot right out of a cannon 730 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 3: able to stop Cooper Cup short of the line of game. 731 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 3: And that's at home against your division arrival, and it's 732 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 3: on the Rams first offensive possession of the game. You 733 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 3: know they want to set the tone early. Buddha Baker, 734 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 3: on the other hand, said not in my house. And 735 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 3: then that also set up Marvin Harrison Junior's first NFL touchdown. 736 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 3: So these moments, all the aftermath is also equally as 737 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 3: important in some of these decisions. 738 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: Hard to narrow down to ten offense, defense, and special teams. 739 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: But then once you get the ten, how do you 740 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: rank the ten? And there's again I guess based off 741 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: your own personal opinion, Zach on how you but you 742 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: said you were given these ten I was handed you 743 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: were handed these. 744 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 3: I was handed these. Now, look, I still gave my 745 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 3: take on the if you disagree with a certain situation, 746 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 3: the play, and then the aftermath. So I highlighted it 747 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 3: all and fortunately our photography team is outstanding, So for 748 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 3: almost every single one of these plays, we have a 749 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 3: photo that also clicks with the play, so good all 750 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 3: round team effort. 751 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: So again, the top offensive play Trey McBride hurtling over 752 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: the Jets in Week ten. I actually preferred the hurdle 753 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers because that actually earned him 754 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: an angry run award from Kyle Brandt. So again again 755 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: we can argue. We can debate defensively, Budda Baker's fourth 756 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: down stop against the Rams in Week two. Garrett Williams's 757 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: two interceptions did make the top five, so I was 758 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: happy about that. I'm happy for you Special teams DJ 759 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: Dallas with the historic dynamic kickoff return. Chad Ryland, of course, 760 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: featured prominently amongst the top ten plays on special. 761 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 3: Teams, and I was even surprised to see how often 762 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 3: Chad Ryland was on the list. But I did like 763 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 3: how the respect on that fifty eight yard field go 764 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 3: against the Carolina Panthers. He earned that respect sending the 765 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 3: Cardinals two overtime with zeros on the clock, wind blowing 766 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 3: in his face, and from his career Long was able 767 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,959 Speaker 3: to nail through the upright. So Chad Ryland was all 768 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 3: over these special team's top ten plays all right, So what. 769 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: Else you got working on because obviously it's the off season, 770 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: so there's no rest. 771 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 3: So what do you what are we working? 772 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: What can we tease forward on asy Cardinals do well. 773 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about Connor and Ronald. I'm 774 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 1: gonna hopefully be speaking to them sometime soon. 775 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 3: Now they don't. I haven't reached out to them yet, 776 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 3: so surprise. 777 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: If they're big fans of Cardinals cover too, then then 778 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: they are aware that you will be reaching out. 779 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 3: I'm going to be asking them if they were surprised 780 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 3: I reached out. If they said they were, I'm gonna 781 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 3: say I'm hurt, but that that's really the thing in 782 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 3: the pipeline. We're gonna have a lot of Pro Bowl 783 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 3: content that's gonna be out there with Buddha Baker going 784 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 3: back to Orlando, and then Trey McBride going to take 785 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 3: part in his first Pro Bowl. And then look, there's 786 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of things that are gonna come 787 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 3: out during the Super Bowl week. Then I'm sure we're 788 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 3: gonna be this Scott singing before you know it, Krag, 789 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 3: It's gonna be combined and draft and free agency and 790 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 3: mini camps and OTAs and the whole nine and then 791 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 3: Week one. 792 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, the wheel never stops. The wheel that is the 793 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: National Football League up first though, Championship Sunday coming up 794 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: this Sunday. Commanders at the Eagles is Game one, Bills 795 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: at the Chiefs is Game two. Should be a lot 796 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: of fun, and then we can kind of dissect and 797 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: what we see and perhaps what the Cardinals can learn 798 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: from those two games before we get to the super Bowl. 799 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on 800 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,240 Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hundai, probably 801 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to 802 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim am Hundre, our associate producer Cody 803 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: Fincher for Zach Kershman, I'm Craig real Lou. We'll talk 804 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.