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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace a so called smear campaign.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's Favorite gossip Girl, Blake Lively battles her co star

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Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni after shot. Sex harassment claims emerge. I'm Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Bombshell lawsuit from Hollywood star Blake Lively alleges co star

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Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni sexually harassed and orchestrated a smear campaign against Lively.

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Speaker 1: A smear campaign alleged a campaign against Everyone's Favorite gossip Girl,

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Speaker 1: Blake Lively.

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Speaker 3: What we are hearing.

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Speaker 1: Includes undesired lip biting during sex, sayes sucking on lips,

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Speaker 1: people barging into her dressing room while she's completely nude

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Speaker 1: or partially nude, or breast feeding, allowing friends of friends

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Speaker 1: in very vulnerable positions.

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Speaker 3: What happened? Okay? The name of the movie. It ends

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Speaker 3: with us from Wayfarer and Sony. Let's just take a peek. Hey, Lily,

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Speaker 3: you want to do the honors?

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Speaker 4: No, you go ahead, I need to take it in

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Speaker 4: from here.

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Speaker 3: You'd say that, okay, Oho, that's my brother Ryle.

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Speaker 5: The first official customer.

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Speaker 1: That is from the official It Ends with Us movie

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Speaker 1: trailer from Sony Pictures. Before we get into the meat

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Speaker 1: of this vicious battle in court, I want to go

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Speaker 1: out to Rob Shooter very quickly, a host of Naughty

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Speaker 1: but Nice podcast form, a publicist, author of the four

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Speaker 1: word answer, Rob.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us. Rob, you have worked

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Speaker 3: with so many stars.

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Speaker 1: I may need to go to a shrink on this,

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Speaker 1: But do you believe as many of us do you know,

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Speaker 1: the little people out there watching movies and TV? Do

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Speaker 1: you believe a star's true persona comes out on the screen.

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's a really good question.

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Speaker 6: I think that the most successful actress and actresses are

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Speaker 6: playing roles where they can find an element of themselves

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Speaker 6: of golden ticket here. This is what makes them really,

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Speaker 6: really successful. But we know from day one.

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Speaker 5: Forget the characters.

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Speaker 6: These two just did not like each other from day one.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, hold on, judge objection not responsive.

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Speaker 1: I simply asked you one thing, and that is, do

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Speaker 1: actors and actresses do we see any of their real persona?

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Speaker 3: That's a yes.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where you went with that. Shooter.

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Speaker 1: But my point is, did you just see that trill

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Speaker 1: or with Lively? Because she seems so likable and friendly. Now,

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Speaker 1: I never knew about Gossip Girls. I guess I was

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Speaker 1: in law school or practicing law. But my daughter found

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Speaker 1: it and we've been watching it. You know, in all

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Speaker 1: those years she was in Gossip Girl, I never heard

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Speaker 3: Rob Shooter. Am I wrong? Did I miss something?

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Speaker 6: I've heard mixed things about Blake Lively over the years.

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Speaker 6: I think here it's really difficult because it's hard to

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Speaker 6: separate her from the characters that she's played, from the

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Speaker 6: characters that we love, and so I think we want

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Speaker 1: But as we all know, But let me analyze, quote

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Speaker 1: what you've heard about Blake Lively and all the years

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Speaker 1: you it came from a mean girl. Because I've seen

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Speaker 3: I think there's tell us. So what are the bad

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Speaker 5: I've heard I've heard she's very controlling, she likes controlling, that.

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Speaker 3: She likes to rolling. Okay, what's wrong with that? Number two?

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Speaker 3: What's the other thing.

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Speaker 6: I hear that she has very very strong opinions and.

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Speaker 3: Bad thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, a woman in her opinion, she goes straight

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Speaker 3: Okay, what else I've heard.

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Speaker 6: Too, that now she's married to one of the most

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Speaker 1: Okay, I asked you in all the years that she

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Speaker 1: what you said before she was controlling and has strong opinions,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and that's part of her success here.

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Speaker 6: You've got to be tough in this business. None of

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Speaker 5: But now she has.

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Speaker 3: But how is that bad?

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm running down a rabbit hole with

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Speaker 1: you and I'm getting nowhere, all right, so far from you, Rob,

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Speaker 1: sheoter who has your nose and your ear to the ground.

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Speaker 1: That's the worst thing you got to throw at me

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Speaker 1: about her. And look, I don't have a dog in

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Speaker 1: the fight. I'm just analyzing this court case, you know what.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, Let's start at the beginning, when everybody loved everybody.

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Speaker 7: Listen, this has been a passion project and something that

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Speaker 7: so many and it wouldn't happen without you, without your love,

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Speaker 7: without your support, without you being such huge fans of

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Speaker 7: the book and caring so much about Lily and her story.

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Speaker 8: Hello, Blake Lively, here, Colleen Hoover, and it ends with

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Speaker 8: us is in theaters now, so grab your friends, wear

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Speaker 8: your florals and head out to see it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, what's the floral?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Where a floral? Does that mean

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Speaker 1: a floral print dress? Is that what she's talking to? Okay,

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Speaker 1: don't have any of those. But that said, that is

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Speaker 1: from the official Instagram page of the movie. It ends

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Speaker 1: with us, Now did you see everybody all smiles and

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Speaker 3: How did it go from that? To this?

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Speaker 9: A bombshell lawsuit filed by Blake Lively against her co

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Speaker 9: It ends with US leaves theaters having pulled in over

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Speaker 9: three hundred and fifty million dollars. The lawsuit of legis

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Speaker 9: sexual harassment and claims that Baldoni exhibited behavior that caused

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Speaker 9: there was a meeting attended by individuals including Lively, her

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Speaker 9: Lively's claims as well as other cast and crew members,

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Speaker 1: Okay, that smells like trouble in the middle of a project.

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Speaker 1: So it goes from everyone being totally in love to

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Speaker 9: Now this justin Baldoni files a two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 9: investigative article titled we Can Bury Anyone inside a Hollywood

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Speaker 9: smear Machine. Baldoni and nine other plaintiffs, including publicistm Melissa Nathan,

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Speaker 9: and Jennifer Abel, are suing The Times for libel and

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Speaker 9: false line invasion of privacy over the article. The group's

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Speaker 9: suing includes producers of the movie It Ends with Us,

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Speaker 9: Jamie Heath and Steve Sorrowitz claim The New York Times

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Speaker 9: relied on altered communications, stripped of necessary context, and deliberately

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Speaker 9: spliced to mislead.

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Speaker 1: Okay, straight out to Daryl Cohen joining me for I'm

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Speaker 1: felony prosecutor now high profile civil and defense attorney, Darryl thank.

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Speaker 3: You for being with us.

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Speaker 1: You've been involved in so many movie scenarios.

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Speaker 3: It's really hard to.

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Speaker 1: Make sense of what is the truth that's going to

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Speaker 1: be decided in court, of course, but when I have

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Speaker 1: a damning piece of evidence against someone and their defense says, oh,

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Speaker 1: you took that out of context. Okay, I would have

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Speaker 1: a field day with that. Yes, I wrote the damning

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Speaker 1: piece of evidence. I said that, but you took it

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Speaker 1: out of context. That's what do you make of that?

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Speaker 10: Well, start, Nancy, this is complete, nothing more than Hollywood.

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Speaker 10: It's Hollywood all over again. Think Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.

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Speaker 10: This is nothing more than that. It is out of context,

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Speaker 10: or it's not out of context.

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Speaker 1: Cohen, Wait a minute, nothing more than quote Hollywood entered.

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Speaker 1: I call a two hundred and fifty two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty million dollar lawsuit a lot more than just gossip

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Speaker 3: And not only that, when.

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Speaker 1: Someone takes down or tries to take down, your reputation,

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Speaker 1: which is really all you've got, once he lose that

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Speaker 1: technical legal term, you're screwed. If this is true that

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Speaker 1: Baldoni tried to destroy Lively's reputation, that's a very big deal.

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Speaker 3: That's all she's got is her reputation.

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Speaker 10: That's true. But Nancy, she has more than that. She

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Speaker 10: has a mouth, she has a brain, and she has

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Speaker 10: a publicity machine. And because of that, whatever he did,

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Speaker 10: whatever she did, is a fight to the finish. What's

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Speaker 10: the finish, more films, what's the finish, more parts, more roles,

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Speaker 5: What this is. Really.

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Speaker 1: I completely disagree with you to doctor Bethany Marshall joining US.

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Speaker 1: High profile psychoanalyst out of la and author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 1: You can see her now on Peacock. Doctor Bethany, thank

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen. He's an expert in movie relations, movie lawsuits,

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Speaker 1: that whole shebang. But I think it's more than that,

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Speaker 1: because claims have been made by Lively that Baldoni would

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Speaker 1: that he would He denies all this, that he would

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Speaker 1: can imagine, I would do a backflip. And everybody's trashing

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Speaker 1: her about bringing in Ryan Riddles her husband.

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Speaker 1: Don't start a big fight for BIG's sake, don't get

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Speaker 1: us all thrown in jail. Why shouldn't she bring her

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Speaker 8: You know, a nancy part of a healthy marriage is

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Speaker 8: protect his wife. I think what's interesting about this movie

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Speaker 8: is that life imitates art in a way. And Justin

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Speaker 8: Baldoni is the producer, and he has chosen to produce

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Speaker 8: a movie about a man who's sexually aggressive and a

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Speaker 8: woman who decides to end intergenerational domestic violence. This is

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Speaker 8: his story, it's not hers. She's merely an actress in it.

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Speaker 8: And so from a psychoanalytic perspective, I would wonder if

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Speaker 8: this story is near and dear to his heart for

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Speaker 1: Now, okay, you've lost me. I don't know what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I took a note Dr Bethany the irony. I think

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Speaker 3: Irony that this is about. The movie is about a.

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Speaker 1: Woman victimized, and now there are claims that a woman

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Speaker 1: think that somebody bursting into your trailer while you're butt

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Speaker 1: Of this and has filed his own multimillion dollar lawsuit,

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Speaker 9: As the rumor mill begins turning out news stories daily

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Speaker 3: She's a crisis.

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Speaker 1: In my world of criminal law, there is no such

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's no coincidence at all.

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Speaker 6: You hire these PR pitopulls to plant bad stories about

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Speaker 5: So this is an old story in PR. This is

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Speaker 1: You went way beyond the scope of my question, but

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Speaker 11: So, if someone understands the themes of this movie and

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Speaker 8: Like asking for my address or my phone number, or

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Speaker 1: That's from Jake's take on YouTube. Now did you see

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Speaker 8: Asking for like my address or my phone number, or like.

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Speaker 1: That's the bombshell that makes Blake Lively a mean girl.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now in addition to Rob Shooter, doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall and Darryl Cohen, celebrity lawyer Linn Shaw is

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Speaker 3: You know what the twins are seventeen. I just went

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Speaker 1: Women are shamed because they have strong opinions. They're put

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Speaker 1: They're evil, they're bitches, they're divas. In my mind, that

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Speaker 12: Nancy, You're absolutely right, But we at the Warriors are

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Speaker 12: She was much younger than let's fast forward. Here's what

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Speaker 1: What behavior in the nineties was supposedly bad?

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Speaker 12: Oh Nancy, please, there have been stories about her for

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Speaker 3: Sorry your business.

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Speaker 12: No, especially a woman, especially if you're a woman. We've

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Speaker 1: Words now you can throw out there, Lynn Shaw, she

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Speaker 3: Auntie Grace, she has been thing her to that high school.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it was the okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 12: She has been mean. She has been called herself a

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Speaker 1: I mean, I means to dealing with rapist, serial killers,

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Speaker 3: Telling me she was mean when she was twenty one. Okay,

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Speaker 12: I am fast forwarding now to some facts that this

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Speaker 12: So a lot of these people here are making a

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Speaker 12: Mud slinging case because we deal with real world, real people,

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Speaker 12: Everybody's got to get these backstreet. She said, you know what,

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Speaker 12: New York Times did not do their job. They took

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Speaker 3: So I want to go back on something.

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Speaker 1: If she's playing something anything that a tag down agency

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Speaker 3: But hold on, I want to address what you said.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to determine if this smear on her was

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Speaker 3: Watch frets on your little boom. Congrats on your little

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Speaker 3: what did I miss? Rub Sheeter? What was wrong with what?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think there was anything wrong in that

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Speaker 5: Does that make her a terrible person?

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Speaker 6: But in this business, in this town, in Hollywood, you're

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Speaker 5: And Blake won't play that game. If that's what she decides,

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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Natty Grace.

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Speaker 4: Requirements that are mentioned in the lawsuit include no more

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Speaker 3: Joining me in addition to our all star panel.

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Speaker 1: You've already met, Ashley a Ward Law is joining us PI,

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Speaker 3: Ashley, thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 1: This is when you need a great detective or investigator

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Speaker 1: Barry Blake Lively and they follow online. Oh there's so

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Speaker 1: much negative reporting on her. It's awesome. You know we

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Speaker 1: can be marry anyone. But I can't put that in writing.

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Speaker 1: For Pete's say, imagine if a document saying all that

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Speaker 1: ends up in the wrong hands, we can't actually write

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Speaker 1: we will destroy her by the way, as they writing,

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Speaker 1: I'm having reckless thoughts of wanting to plant pieces this

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Speaker 1: week of how horrible Blake is to work with. But

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Speaker 1: my question to you is how do you go about

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Speaker 1: proving this?

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Speaker 3: Ashley? Where do I get the information?

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Speaker 1: I guess I would start with this thirty point document

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Speaker 1: that emerged from the meeting where Lively brings her husband

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Speaker 1: rentals and they have it out with Baldoni about what

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Speaker 1: will and will not be tolerated on set.

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Speaker 3: That's a great place to start.

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Speaker 1: Or why are crew members unfollowing or not following Baldoni

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Speaker 1: and they are following her?

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Speaker 3: Where would you start?

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Speaker 13: Well, let's be clear, Nancy, the evidence is definitely going

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Speaker 13: to speak for ourselves. Okay, when it comes to take

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Speaker 13: messages or any digital type of evidence, nowadays, it's really.

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Speaker 8: Hard to believe what you see, like.

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Speaker 13: A screenshot or something along those lines. For a PI,

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Speaker 13: we would have to take it a little farther and say, okay,

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Speaker 13: we're not going to take these springshots. We're actually going

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Speaker 13: to do something called a data extraction where we take

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Speaker 13: a mobile device or a laptop or whatever type of

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Speaker 13: electronic device and actually pull the files directly from that

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Speaker 13: device along with metadata right to look at the time

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Speaker 13: and date them. Because again, screenshots can be manipulated. That's

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Speaker 13: just the reality we live in nowadays. So again, a PI,

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Speaker 13: we're going to have to take it a step further.

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Speaker 13: We can't just take a screenshot and give it to

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Speaker 13: an attorney and say, hey, this is what we have

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Speaker 13: for you, we have to go further.

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Speaker 1: You know what, You're so right, Ashley Ashley Wardlock joining

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Speaker 1: US veteran private investigator. I would go to everybody that

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Speaker 1: worked on that set with a subpoena and a subpoena

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Speaker 1: ducas tikam for documents or as you're saying, text messages,

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Speaker 1: emails that may have gone back and forth regarding what

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Speaker 1: was happening on the set. And I'd like to point

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Speaker 1: out to Rob Shooter and Lyn Shaw want you to

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Speaker 1: hear this. It sounds like what you were saying about

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Speaker 1: Blake Lively not wanting an intimacy coordinator on the set

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Speaker 1: is just another plant against her, because I've got the

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Speaker 1: document what purports to be the document that she submitted

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Speaker 1: her demands and number eighteen of that thirty point list

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Speaker 1: is an intimacy coordinator must be on set for all

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Speaker 1: scenes involving nudity and or simulated sex, and must have

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Speaker 1: a monitor to ensure compliance.

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Speaker 3: So this is Blake Lively's request.

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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, let's go through this thirty point request. What

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Speaker 1: do you make no spontaneous improvised In other words, don't

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Speaker 1: bite my lip and suck on it during kissing scenes.

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Speaker 1: Physical touching must only be done in connection with the

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Speaker 1: character and scene work. No discussion with lively of personal

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Speaker 1: experiences with sex or nudity.

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Speaker 3: What I mean, Rob Shearter, I had.

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Speaker 1: The same investigator for eleven years. Okay, we did everything together.

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Speaker 1: We only ever had one fight over O. J. Simpson

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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. That said, I would think somebody had

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Speaker 1: killed him and was wearing his skin if he made

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Speaker 1: a sex comment or tried to show me porn. He

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Speaker 1: just wouldn't even think to do that. And she has

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Speaker 1: to put this in a document. Don't show me any

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Speaker 1: more porn. Please, don't talk about genitalia or your sex life.

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Speaker 3: She had to put that in writing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it sounds awful, doesn't it? When if he'll

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Speaker 5: tell you.

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Speaker 6: This documents many, many times. It's pretty standard when you

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Speaker 6: sign up a big star. Often celebrities that are not

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Speaker 6: that famous don't have this much power, but Blake certainly does.

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Speaker 6: They can have clauses in their contracts, no nudity, no

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Speaker 6: shots from behind.

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Speaker 5: What's interesting about.

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Speaker 6: This to me is that the movie business, the music business,

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Speaker 6: it's a messy business. And you and me, Nancy and

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Speaker 6: our jobs, we are not having sets on camera. They are,

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Speaker 6: and so because the job is so unusual, the job

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Speaker 6: is so intimate.

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Speaker 5: Being an actor is such.

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Speaker 6: An odd profession that these conversations need to be had.

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Speaker 6: I think where he let her down is not just

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Speaker 6: as an actor. He was the producer. It was his

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Speaker 6: job to have a safe set. And if she insisted

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Speaker 6: on all these all these details as a producer, if

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Speaker 6: he agreed to that, which he did, then she had

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Speaker 6: every right to have all her demands met. So I

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Speaker 6: think she's got quite a strong case against him here

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Speaker 6: as somebody who was really not just the star of

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Speaker 6: the movie.

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Speaker 5: He also was the producer. It's his movie.

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Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Justin Baldoni.

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Speaker 14: Working with this, crisis management pr specialist Melissa Nathan sent

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Speaker 14: examples of a viral social media thread accusing another celebrity

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Speaker 14: of bullying, writing this is what we would need. According

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Speaker 14: to the New York Times report, Nathan soon floated proposals

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Speaker 14: to hire contractors to dominate social media through full social

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Speaker 14: account takedowns, by starting threads of theories and generally working

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Speaker 14: to change narrative. All of this would be most importantly untraceable.

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Speaker 1: She wrote, Wow, okay, decipher that I'm only used to

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Speaker 1: Latin phrases and lawyers throwing around legal terms to Rob Sheeter,

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Speaker 1: what are they saying.

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Speaker 6: They're saying that he hired a PRT to trash Blake Lively,

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Speaker 6: and I think that is going to be hard to

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Speaker 6: prove not true. Shortly after this PR team was hired,

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Speaker 6: lots of stories started to pop up.

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Speaker 5: They were really.

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Speaker 6: Unflattering about Blake. Now I've been doing this a long time, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: I would argue that eighteen ninety percent of the calls

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Speaker 6: that I get are publicists trying to spread a rumor

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Speaker 6: or something something mean.

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Speaker 5: And I think that this looks like it's pretty clear here.

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Speaker 6: Shortly after his PR experts started, we started to see

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Speaker 6: really tough stories about her. I've got to say, though, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: this is awful, but it's not unusual.

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Speaker 1: Yll Okay, and I thought the law was a big

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Speaker 1: sty Okay, this was a big mistake as well.

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Speaker 3: I find it really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Let me go out to Ashley Ward Law, private Investigator

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Speaker 1: Chief Operation Officer Nathan's investigations.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I was wondering, how.

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Speaker 1: Did they get ahold of these alleged texts? Okay, how

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Speaker 1: did they get Baldoni's texts. How did they get his

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Speaker 1: PR team's text? Well, as it turns out, and correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Everybody on the panel, someone on

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Speaker 1: his PR team either quit or got fired and made

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Speaker 1: those texts available to Blake Lively's camp.

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Speaker 3: That's where the text came from.

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Speaker 1: No need for a subpoena, talk about a smoking gun.

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Speaker 3: This is a bullet for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 13: Ashley, Yes, yes, text messages could be detrimental to a case.

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Speaker 13: I would say, you're right, those messages would have had

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Speaker 13: to be leaked, especially if they weren't present in court

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Speaker 13: or you know, a subpoena was an issue already.

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Speaker 3: Again, you can't believe a screenshot.

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Speaker 13: So someone may have sent this over and said, hey,

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Speaker 13: here's what I have for you guys to use. But

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Speaker 13: the only way to reduce those text messages is to

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Speaker 13: really do a data extraction and show the entire, the

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Speaker 13: entire thread of tech messages, not just from one end,

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Speaker 13: but everything in full.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Daryl Cohen, celebrity lawyer Darryl this is a yes

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Speaker 1: no answer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're on cross right now. Don't try to explain.

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Speaker 1: We know about attorney client privilege we know priest, parishioner,

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Speaker 1: we know husband wife. There is no PR guru client privilege.

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Speaker 1: If you say things to your PR person or your

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Speaker 1: media team, they can state that in court. And here's

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Speaker 1: a hard learned lesson. Remember when Monica Lewinsky's mother, I

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Speaker 1: believe it was, had to testify in front of a

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Speaker 1: grand jury. There's no mom daughter privilege, much less a

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Speaker 1: PR guru client privilege.

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Speaker 3: So you know, all bets are off.

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Speaker 1: This PR person could hand over these texts.

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Speaker 3: To anybody that answered.

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Speaker 1: She's under no duty of confidentiality, is she unless they

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Speaker 1: signed one, unless.

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Speaker 10: She has a non disclosure, She's not under a duty.

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Speaker 10: But what must happen is it must happen in context. Yes,

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Speaker 10: these are available. Yes they can be used, but they

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Speaker 10: can also be abused. Don't get mad get even make

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Speaker 10: sure that the publicist is well coached and knows how

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Speaker 10: to explain what happened and why if it.

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Speaker 1: Ever gets o Oh wait, hey, Darryl, look at your screen.

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Speaker 1: I don't like this. Had you she was off promoting

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Speaker 1: it as if it was Barbie.

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Speaker 3: It's just based on things that she said directly. Whoa

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Speaker 3: look at what.

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Speaker 1: They're saying about her of course that's not a crime.

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Speaker 1: But if she can show this damaged her business and

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Speaker 1: her credibility and her reputation, yeah, they're up the proverbial

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Speaker 1: creek without a paddle. Of course, Baldonian his team claim

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Speaker 1: none of this is true and it has been taken

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Speaker 1: out of context. Well we'll see, because there are two

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Speaker 1: more million dollar lawsuits brewing.

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Speaker 3: Now, this was a.

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Speaker 1: Bad move, and apparently there is a digital footprint of this,

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Speaker 1: a trail, so to speak.

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Speaker 3: They dragged in Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 5: Uh oh.

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Speaker 9: Taylor Swift is mentioned in the lawsuit twice, namely in

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Speaker 9: a scenario planning document that was written by Baldoni's PR

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Speaker 9: team at TAG PR, headed up by Melissa Nathan. In

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Speaker 9: the document, a discussion of ways to possibly target Lively

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Speaker 9: in the press in a negative manner is explored. The

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Speaker 9: scenario planning document states that TAG could also explore planting

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Speaker 9: stories about the weaponization of feminism and how people in

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Speaker 9: Lively circle, like Taylor Swift, have been accused of utilizing

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Speaker 9: these tactics to bully into getting what they want. Taylor

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Speaker 9: Swift is mentioned a second time in an alleged message

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Speaker 9: from Melissa and Nathan to Jennifer abel, a public relations executive.

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Speaker 9: In the message, Nathan talks about Blake Lively's fan base

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Speaker 9: while talking about a meal social media plan that would

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Speaker 9: help suppress negative content about Baldoni and amplify negative content

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Speaker 9: about Lively. Nathan notes that because Lively and Swift are

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Speaker 9: close friends, the actress has the support of Swift's fans.

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Speaker 9: Nathan points out that Lively does have some of the

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Speaker 9: Swift fan base, so we will be taking it extremely

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Speaker 9: seriously to a.

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Speaker 1: High profile psychoanalysts joining us out of Beverly Hills, doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. You see what's happening here, So if it's true,

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Speaker 1: and Baldoni says it's not, a takedown on Blake Lively.

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Speaker 3: Was happening, and they wrote in another.

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Speaker 1: Famous woman, Taylor Swift, to make her seem like she

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Speaker 1: bullies people to get what she wants.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you see the common thread here.

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Speaker 1: Two beautiful, successful and powerful women are being dragged down

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Speaker 1: because they're quote mean, Who cares you, Nancy?

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Speaker 8: If we were covering a rape case, would we see

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Speaker 8: the woman deserved be raped because she wore a short skirt,

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Speaker 8: or she was in the wrong part of town, or

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Speaker 8: we didn't like her personality. No, a rape is a rape.

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Speaker 8: This is such a common pattern in Hollywood. Think about

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Speaker 8: Harvey Weinstein. What happened when you're harassed women and they

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Speaker 8: start have to tell you think their careers. P Diddy,

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Speaker 8: which we've been covering, has been all over the news.

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Speaker 8: What was a part of his offending pattern? If a

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Speaker 8: woman or a man stood up to him, he would harass,

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Speaker 8: he would stalk, he would try to take down their reputations.

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Speaker 8: So this pattern is so common I urge everybody to

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Speaker 8: see it. In terms of whether or not Blake Lively

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Speaker 8: is mean, it has nothing to do with it. The

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Speaker 8: viewers should ask themselves if they wrote like a bad

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Speaker 8: email at work, does their boss deserve to harass.

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Speaker 12: Them for it?

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's just like a huge logic flaw. And

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Speaker 8: we also know, Nancy, there are no pure victims. There

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Speaker 8: aren't because there are no pure people all of us.

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Speaker 3: I don't get doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 1: If your coworker comes to you and says, hey, this

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Speaker 1: thing you're doing bothers me, will you not do it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, with all the money writing on this movie,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why he wouldn't just say, if this

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Speaker 1: is all true, by the way, you know what, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: I did that. I screwed up. I'm not doing that anymore.

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Speaker 3: I'm really sorry.

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Speaker 1: Instead of now we've got all these multimillion dollar lawsuits

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Speaker 1: playing out to lyn Shaw joining me founder executive director

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Speaker 1: Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending human trafficking and protecting specifically

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Speaker 1: women and girls. What do you make of it now

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Speaker 1: that you know? In her thirty point doc she demanded

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Speaker 1: an intimacy coordinator on the set.

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Speaker 12: Nancy, she demanded it, but she did not meet with

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Speaker 12: the intimacy coordinator. So that's something everybody should be looking at.

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Speaker 12: Why didn't she meet again? She said to Justin, you

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Speaker 12: go ahead and I'll meet the coordinator when I get

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Speaker 12: to the set. You get all the information, let you

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Speaker 12: let me discuss it. But here's what I want to say.

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Speaker 12: So that's really bothering me. And I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 12: I wish we could flip this around. This movie was

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Speaker 12: about domestic violence, a woman's relationship, a woman's worth, a

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Speaker 12: woman owning a business, a young woman. You know why

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Speaker 12: I wish in this movie they focused on doing some

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Speaker 12: good for domestic violence victims, you know, putting that out there. Now,

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Speaker 12: what do we have we have this big I don't

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Speaker 12: know what to call this whole thing. My focus is

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Speaker 12: on the real victims, the real victims in real life

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Speaker 12: that we never talk about, that were not helping.

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Speaker 3: You know what, Lincha, you know I'm glad you said that.

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Speaker 1: For nine years of the ten plus years I prosecuted,

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Speaker 1: at night, I volunteered, as you know, at the Batter

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Speaker 1: Women's Center, and it was excruciating to hear what domestic

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Speaker 1: violence and.

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Speaker 3: Victims go through.

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Speaker 1: By the time I got them in court, they were

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Speaker 1: either dead or they were maimed like a broken hip

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Speaker 1: or a broken leg or a broken collar bone as

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Speaker 1: part of an aggravated battery from domestic assault.

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: I want to make it clear that Baldoni's reps have

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Speaker 1: denied all of these claims, and they're thinking to Darryl Cohen,

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Speaker 1: and what they're saying is that this lawsuit and everything

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Speaker 1: Lively is doing now is her attempt to rehabilitate her

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Speaker 1: reputation after it came out she was a quote mean girl.

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Speaker 10: I completely believe that that is the case. But also, Nancy,

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Speaker 10: it's about the box It's about box office.

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Speaker 5: It's about ticket sales.

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Speaker 10: Not just locally, not nationally, but internationally. And the more publicity,

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Speaker 10: the more pressed, the more lawsuits that are involved, the

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Speaker 10: more tickets that are sold, and it makes it much

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Speaker 10: easier for her next role and the role after that,

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Speaker 10: because there's always a place for mean girls and good

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Speaker 10: girls and bad girls and bad guys. That's just the

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Speaker 10: way Hollywood works. It always has and likely always will.

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Speaker 3: What is the truth? There are dueling lawsuits.

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Speaker 1: We won't know until this finally goes to court, and

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Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 3: Nancy Gray signing off Goodbye Friend,