1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,439 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: What's up? 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: Everybody? 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks? DJ Buck with you Buck. 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: First of all, Man, it's been a minute. It's great 6 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: to see you, dude. 7 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: No, it's been a minute. It's been a minutes. This 8 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: has been a two man show when she and I. 9 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 2: So this is great, man. We get a chance to 10 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: kind of empty the bucket a little bit, have some 11 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: thoughts on a bunch of different things that I haven't 12 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: had a chance to run by you. So it should 13 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: be fun. 14 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking forward to to getting some notes from 15 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: you too on on the East West on a couple 16 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: of guys that pop down there. So we'll do that 17 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: a little bit later on in the show. I want 18 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: to start, though, with something that I read this morning 19 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: and it echoed what I had heard at the Senior bowls. 20 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: You know, everybody's always talking and there's whispers and all 21 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. But Joe Burrows making the rounds 22 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: today and said, look, I think you know we all 23 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: want to stay together, and that's with T Higgins and 24 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: Gasicki as free agents, you know, including getting the deal 25 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: done that they need to get done. You know, with 26 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. So that was something I had heard a 27 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: while back when I was talking about t Higgins with 28 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: the team, and you know, hey, would this makes sense 29 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: for you guys like Jiggins ain't going anywhere. It's like, look, 30 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: he got the same agent. They ended up getting together. 31 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: Him and Jamar have the same representation now because they 32 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: want to stay together in Cincinnati, and Cincinnati has the 33 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: cap for him to do it. 34 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: So it's funny that you said. I was with Donald 35 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: Penn doing some stuff and Donald Penn s there's a 36 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: shame representation as Jamar Chase and Ti Higgins, and he 37 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: told me that they were all together, and so I 38 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: thought that was interesting because when you have guys that 39 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: played the same position on the same team, there's no 40 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: hidden negotiation, Like everyone knows exactly what is being done. 41 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: And if you're gonna split the baby, as they would say, like, 42 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: you now know how to make it equitable for both 43 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 2: parties because as an agent, you want to make sure 44 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: that both of you guys are happy. And also if 45 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: they share representation, they probably have a good relationship anyway, 46 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: and they want to make sure that their fella person 47 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: is taken care of. But they also want to make 48 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: sure they get fair market value. That is something that 49 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals would have to negotiate. But let's be 50 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: real when it comes to this thing about Cincinnati and 51 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: what they could do, you and I and you really 52 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: have been kind of leading this this thought. You've always 53 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: said that I would rather be great on one side 54 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: of the ball and figured it out on the other 55 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: side of the ball. And so if you're the Cincinnati Bengals. 56 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: The one thing that we know, despite all their issues 57 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: last year, they were good enough to get into the postseason, 58 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: but they got off to a slow start. But offensively, 59 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: there are few teams that can match up with what 60 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: they have on the offense. When you talk about Higgins, 61 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: Chase Burrow, even if you throw Gaseki in there, I 62 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: would say that they were better when they had a 63 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: Marquee running back in place with Joe Mixon. But that's 64 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: something that they can find. Whatever Chase round is serviceable, 65 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: but they could get an upgraded that spot. But yeah, 66 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: offensively their playoff ready. Now it's about finding a defense 67 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: that's good enough to get you there. Not that you 68 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: have to be a top ten defense, but a middle 69 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 2: of the pack defense. That plays a certain way. I 70 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: would say if they look towards the Kansas City Chiefs, 71 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: that might be a way to look at how they 72 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: do it. Because before Kansas City loaded up on defense, 73 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: Seespeg Newlah was a big play, splash play defensive coordinator. 74 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 2: He's playing for a big play, a turnover, a stop 75 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: to throw you off your rhythm, to make you kick three, 76 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: while they had the confidence that their offense were always 77 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: going to put up seven. So yeah, look, I like 78 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: the plan. I like the approach if you have the 79 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals because in that division, you're gonna have to 80 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: be able to outscore people because it's gonna be hard 81 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: to get into a rocking SoC and robot match with 82 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: the Steelers, the Ravens, those teams, I don't know if 83 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: you're going to beat them the way that they try 84 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: and play. 85 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it also brings up a bigger 86 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: point as well, that, man, if you're hoping that free 87 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: agency is going to solve all your problems nowadays, man, 88 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: guys just aren't getting there. You know, you're just not 89 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: going to get guys to the market. And you look 90 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: at you know, you look at the receiver class in 91 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: this free agency group not great. The draft class of 92 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: receiver position is not great. It's one of the first 93 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: years I can ever remember where, Man, that's not a 94 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: good year to need a receiver. No, man, they find 95 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: one under a flat rock. 96 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's different. And I mean we went through 97 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: this run. DJ had to be about a seven eight 98 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: year run of wide receivers at the top of the 99 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: board that we were just excited about. I mean, four 100 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,239 Speaker 2: to five receivers coming off the board in the first round, 101 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: and they not only came there, they hit rate was 102 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: so great on these top receivers. There was only a 103 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 2: handful of guys that didn't live up to pre drafted expectations. 104 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: Now we've kind of hit that lull and a plateau 105 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: where if you haven't developed and groomed your guys for 106 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: significant minutes or a bigger role, it's gonna be hard 107 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: to find that guy on the streets. That's why the 108 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: developmental model is so great. It's also why it's so 109 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: interesting to see the La Rams put Cooper Cup on 110 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: the market because he's the embodiment of the developmental process 111 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: where you take someone in the third he becomes an 112 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: all world playmaker. You get him and then as he's 113 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: this ending, you have another one that you can put there. 114 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: The money prohibits it, but in a perfect world, as 115 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: he's coming down and Puku's going up, you find a 116 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: way to keep both of them because they are interchangeable weapons. 117 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't, we haven't been together on that. So 118 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: what's your what's your take on this situation near a 119 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Cooper cup a. Do you think somebody would take on 120 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 1: the contract and actually make that trade? 121 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: Well, I think the injuries the last couple years, so 122 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: the last three years he's only played in thirty three games. 123 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: The money is significant. I think you're talking about twenty 124 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: six or twenty seven on. 125 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: Like a one year guaranteed that I think they're like 126 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: five minion guarantee, but there's no none guarantee. But it's 127 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: a big number overall. 128 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so just a big number because he signed a 129 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: three year, eighty million dollar extension. But here's what, there's 130 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: so many teams that he would be a perfect fit for. 131 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: I think about the Pittsburgh still is in how they 132 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: may need some maturity in that wide receiver room. What 133 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: he could do for them, the dependability and reliability that 134 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: he would give them, I think he fits the brand 135 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: and the culture that they have. I can see him 136 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: going to Kansas City much like they used Andre Hopkins 137 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: and Juju Smith Schuster. I would say that Cooper Cup 138 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: is a better player at this stage of his career 139 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: than those guys are, Like what he could be as 140 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: a security blanket a team like the Raiders that doesn't 141 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: have a true number one but needs someone to pair 142 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: up with a Brock Bowers, a mature player. Pete Carroll 143 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: has seen him in those things. There's a place for 144 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: him to be able to get down and play. I'm 145 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: just surprised he won't be in LA. 146 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's He's very synonymous with the success they've had there, 147 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: including just a Super Bowl where he took over the 148 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: game with Matthew Stafford when everybody knew where it was 149 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: going and they couldn't stop him. I mean that was 150 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: right with the big time, big time performance by Cooper 151 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: Cup in that ballgame. Another item that we've haven't had 152 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: a chance to catch up on. We've talked about it 153 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: on here. I think we talked about with rhet but 154 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: I always love getting your perspective on it, s Miles Garrett. 155 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: I know it's prohibitive from a salary cap standpoint, it's 156 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: going to be tricky for Cleveland if they were to 157 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: do that, and maybe that's why they've just come flat 158 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: out and said that they won't do it. But your 159 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: thoughts on him asking for it and do you think 160 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: he eventually gets what he wants? 161 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: I felt like when I first heard about it, when 162 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: I was surprised. But two, you brought this up on 163 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: multiple occasions on the podcast. I was like, man, DJ 164 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: know something about this mouse coming down to pipe because 165 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: I was like, he has brought this up about like, hey, 166 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: maybe you should get rid of him. This is the 167 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: perfect time I'll say this. I understand, like because he 168 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: used Andrew Berry's words against him, like I didn't want 169 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: to take a straight pass from Cleveland to Canon. I 170 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: want to go and win some Super Bowls and those things. 171 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: And he's a foundational piece. When we talked about the 172 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: marquee pieces that you have to have in a championship puzzle, 173 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: like you look for a dominant pass rusher, and what 174 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: it shows is like man, one wrong move and a 175 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: bad move that they made with de seauan Weser. We 176 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: have to call it what it is, like it was 177 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: a bad move. It is completely not only wrecked the 178 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: salary cap, but I would say it probably wrecked the 179 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: chemistry in the locker room when you kind of hear 180 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: the buzz and the lay of the land. How can 181 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: they fix that, Like he's not in the building now 182 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: the injury. Is there a way that you can go 183 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: back to Miles Garrett and find a way to get 184 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: him to kind of recommit to being with the Cleveland Browns. Normally, 185 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: I would say money kind of fixes all things. I'm 186 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: looking at this deal. He has two years left on 187 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: his deal five year one twenty five that he signed. 188 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: Joey Bosa is now the guy that you're chasing at 189 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: thirty four million annually? Is there a way to sweeten 190 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: the spot, sweeten the pot a little bit to kind 191 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: of get him to buy in and recommit. I would 192 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: be reluctant to get rid of someone who has four 193 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: straight seasons with fourteen sacks. I'll be reluctant to get 194 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: rid of a four time All pro even though he's thirty. 195 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: He hasn't shown any signs of slowing down. It would 196 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: be hard for me to part ways with him. And 197 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: even when we've done this in the past, like Khalil 198 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: Mack is the comp that you would do. Like the 199 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: Raiders got back two number ones and a three and 200 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: some other stuff, they still were never able to replace 201 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: the player. It's hard to replace a player like that. 202 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: I just if I'm Cleveland, Yeah, an none started for me. 203 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: I think the I think the challenges, you know, But 204 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: when the Khalil Mack trade happened, they still had car right, 205 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: so they had who they had as their quarterback they 206 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: were committed to and comfortable with. I think what happens, 207 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: Buck is when you don't have the quarterback, you start 208 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: getting to the point where you're like, okay, we've had 209 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: We've got this Hall of Fame defensive end. We can't win. 210 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: So we got to do whatever we got to do 211 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get the quarterback. And 212 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: I personally, I think the Browns quarterback of the future 213 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: is not going to be acquired this year. I think 214 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: he's in twenty six or twenty seven, like one or 215 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: two years down the line. So the argument on the 216 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: other side of it is, man, that's just a mass 217 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: as many resources as we possibly can in twenty six 218 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: and twenty seven, so we can strike when we get 219 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: an opportunity to get the quarterback because even with the 220 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player like that, if we don't have 221 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: a quarterback, we're gonna have a hard time winning in 222 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: this league. And I also think there's the AFC thing 223 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: is real, man, Like there's a that's a shadow when 224 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: you got shadow of Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes and 225 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and Josh and Justin Josh Allen. I mean, Buck, 226 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: that's a You're sitting there like, man, I'm bringing a 227 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: knife to a gunfight here, you know, Like I don't 228 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: want to be in the business of trading, you know, 229 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: first ballot, Hall of Fame players, cornerstone players. But man, 230 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: how are we ever going to get over that mountain 231 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: with all those quarterbacks, with what we're bringing to the table? 232 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it depends on how you look at it, right, 233 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: because if you look at it in the rear view 234 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: where you just are coming off to three and fourteen year, 235 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: I could see that. But the year before they were 236 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: a playoffs like they were in the mix. Joe Flacco 237 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: had let them and put them in a position where 238 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: they could do some things. Is there a way that 239 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: you can patch work that part? But fortify the defense, 240 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 2: because I'll say this, the defense didn't play to the 241 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: level that they played previously. And it's hard when you're 242 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: not getting the offensive support. I just wondered when you're 243 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski, because Kevin Stefanski gave up the play calling 244 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: in Ken Dorsey came in. Ken Dorsey came in specifically 245 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: to help Deshaun Watson. Dorsey's out. Fanski's back is the 246 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: play caller. Can't he say, like, hold on, let's just 247 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: reset and see if we can run this back? Because 248 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: it's Afanski. I think what two time coach of the 249 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: Year got them to playoff appearances without having the marquee? 250 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: Did it with Baker Mayfield, He did with Joe Flacco 251 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: and others? Why not pause and see? I know, like 252 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: the money is twenty million this year, twenty five million 253 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: the following year. I just I don't know, man, I 254 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: hate giving up good players just for like what could 255 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: be behind doing number two and three? Yeah? 256 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's also again it's just as we go 257 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: around in circles on this one. That's also what is 258 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: it the the uh uh the definition of insanity? Right, 259 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: same thing, expect different results, like Nope, Nope, We're gonna 260 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: do it this year with our defense. We're gonna defense 261 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: is gonna take us. We don't have quarterback. 262 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 2: It's funny. So then I'm saying, so I'm using the 263 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: Khalil macdial as whatever. So if you are able to 264 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: get two number ones, right, so you get another number 265 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: one this year, a number one next year. 266 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even ask for another number one this year. 267 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: I want all my picks in twenty six and twenty seven, 268 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: all of them. I don't want an extra picks in 269 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: this draft. I don't. I mean, if I'm them, I'm 270 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: sitting there and saying, my ultimate goal is to get 271 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: the quarterback, and I don't. I don't love my options 272 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: in this draft. So load me up with twenty six 273 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: and twenty seven picks. 274 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: So here's here's the crazy thing, right, Like, so we're 275 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: having college football fans and we love the draft, DJ 276 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: who's the quarterback on the horizon that we're pining for? 277 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: Normally there would be buzz over a quarterback or whatever? 278 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 2: Like are we buzzing over arch Manning even though we've 279 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: only seen that much of them? Like, I'm trying to 280 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: figure out who is the guy that we began to 281 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: speculate on. 282 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: There guys with loud tools, and I'll give you our 283 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: arch who we just seen a little bit of. But 284 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about the prototypical stuff that he has. 285 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: The kid at South Carolina is Oh Sellers standing. He 286 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: is fun like, he's He's one that I've kind of 287 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on. I haven't seen time. What I've seen, 288 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, and I think he's a red 289 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: shirt sophomore next year, so I think he'd be draft eligible. 290 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: But again, twenty six or twenty seven Clubnick has shown 291 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: some good things at Clemson. Drew Owlers had his moments 292 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: at Penn State. Who's another prototypical, big, strong dude. He 293 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: needs to, you know, keep getting better. But there's what 294 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying is there's there's some prototypes out there, whereas 295 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: I feel like we're kind of trying and hoping and 296 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: wishing a little bit with this year's group. 297 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a conviction. And as 298 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: we would say, a good front office, like your college 299 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: scut and director, your area scouts have bird dogs. Some 300 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: guys you know, like if you're worth of sawt, you've 301 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: already taken a look not only at disclass, but you 302 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: look ahead to see who's coming down the pipeline. And 303 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: so if we're talking about like true franchise quarterbacks on 304 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: the horizon, yeah, if you can have that conversation with 305 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: ownership as to why it makes sense, it can go. 306 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'll rule out nothing. Coming off a 307 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: weekend in which we saw Luka Dancis traded and in 308 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: his prime one of the best players in the NBA 309 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: at twenty five years of age, anybody can be you got. 310 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: So that's just that's the world we're living in now. 311 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: When it comes to sports. The things that used to 312 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: be the norm are no longer to norm when it 313 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: comes to marque players. 314 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: Yep, that's a fact. All right, let's take a break. 315 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: A couple of things we want to get to. After 316 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: the break, we'll hit on some defensive coordinator thoughts as 317 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: well as we'll get some updates on Buck on a 318 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: couple of guys that popped at the East West right 319 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: after this. All right, but before we get to some 320 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: college guys, one last pro topic here. I was just 321 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: looking at this, thinking about this this Super Bowl with 322 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: Vic Fangio calling the defense for the Eagles and Spags 323 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: once again calling the defense for the Kansas City Chiefs. 324 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: I started thinking about the value of having that wisdom 325 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: in that game on the defensive side of the ball, 326 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: and I thought, you know what, let me go back 327 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: and look at some of these. So if you look 328 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: at the last winners Kansas City, you know, they won 329 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: last year with Spags, won the year before with Spags. 330 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: Then you had the Rams that won that one. 331 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: That was. 332 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: Gosh, why am I drawing a blank here? That was 333 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: Who's who was a d C? No? No, no, not in 334 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: that one. Not in the most recent one. It was Raheem. 335 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: Wasn't Raheem? 336 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Raheem is the one that won it? 337 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: He yea this last year, yep. And so that was Raheem. 338 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: And then you so you know, Rahem had been around 339 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: for for a long time, around a few times, yes, 340 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: And then you go back Chiefs again, Spags. Then you 341 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: get the Belichick with with the Patriots. Then you get 342 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: Shorts with the Eagles, Belichick with the Patriots, Wade Phillips 343 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: with the Broncos Belichick, and then you get Pete Carroll. 344 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's like holy cow, like you go all 345 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: the way back and it's uh there's a lot of 346 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: value in having a a guy who's been around the 347 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: block a few times and had some experiences and understands 348 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: how to coach in that game. 349 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think so, DJ It is a game that 350 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: until you're in it, you don't really know what all 351 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: goes into it in terms of not only the preparation, 352 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: but how different it is than any other game that 353 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: you've been in. People can talk about the two weeks 354 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: that you normally have to prepare, but it's not only 355 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: the two weeks that you have to prepare where you 356 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: don't want to overload your players with a bunch of stuff, 357 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: but it's managing all of the distractions that comes with it. 358 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: And then when it comes to the game, it's the 359 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: game that I would say it has the biggest emotional 360 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: swings in any game that you're ever coaching because of 361 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: the finality of it and because of the stakes that 362 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: are on the line. The big plays are magnified to 363 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: a higher degree, so your calls have more significance than 364 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: they've ever had. So how can you calm yourself down 365 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: and not become distracted by the potential outcomes and really 366 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: focus on the process to putting your team and the 367 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: best thing. I believe it takes experience in having done 368 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: that to be comfortable in that environment, which is why 369 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: Steve Spagnola is so comfortable in the environment, which is 370 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: why some of these other guys being comfortable when you've 371 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: done it a few times and Spags has done it. 372 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: My gosh, how many times, like twice with the Johnson 373 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: this will beat the fifth time with the Cheese. Yah, 374 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 2: seven times you've been in the game, and then I 375 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 2: think he's been in the game before with the Eagles 376 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: as an assistant with Jim Johns. I mean, the more 377 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: you're in the game, the more the game slows down 378 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: and you understand what the how, the major on the 379 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: mages and not worry about all the other stuff. 380 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I went back one extra year or two and 381 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: that was the Ravens. That was Dean P's who you know, 382 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: been around forever when they were This is kind of 383 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: funny that, like, think about all these new we have 384 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: some of young coordinators, right, and it's like, well, the 385 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: guys who are in these games that win it, they've 386 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: they're they're calm and comfortable, they've they've been in these 387 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: types of situations before. And I was thinking about this 388 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: with with the fangio. And there's so many articles written 389 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, so I'm sure this has been written, 390 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: but I haven't seen it. But I was thinking of 391 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: the irony there. I believe they're practicing at the Saints facility, right. 392 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: The old school. 393 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you think about that, he's walking in there. 394 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: You think you want some confidence. How about just walking 395 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: in and seeing all the statues of all the dudes 396 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: you coach that don't patrol back in the day, man, 397 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: all those dudes forever. Vic has been around forever. 398 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: He has been around forever, and I do believe and 399 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 2: it's easier maybe for people to buy into the experienced 400 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator where you want kind of like the young 401 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 2: hot shot offense of mind and those things. But I 402 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: mean there is something to experience and expertise and wisdom 403 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: and being able to have seen a lot and had 404 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: to deal with a lot in heaven and encyclopedia of 405 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: knowledge when you're dealing with stuff, so you're able to 406 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: recall that. But like, oh, I remember this, back in 407 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: the eighties, they used to run this. We used to 408 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: have this answer and that answer or whatever. And let's 409 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: think about what some of the things that we've seen 410 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: in Super Bowls that have taken place, Bill Belichick using 411 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: an old school defense against the Rams, the stim of 412 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: the Rams and like a thirteen to ten win to 413 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: get it done. Being able to see what Wade Phillips 414 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: was able to throw out to kind of mess up 415 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: Cam Newton in Super Bowl fifty. Like we have seen 416 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: these old guys throw nice knuckleballs at the opposition. 417 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: Remember the Giants adult taking the ends and putting them 418 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: in over the guards, and I mean. 419 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, just just just doing different stuff. Because man, every 420 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: time every year you just learned so much and you're 421 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: able to apply that. There's something to watching this. This 422 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 2: year we actually get the luxury watching to experienced defensive 423 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: coordinators go back and forth and how they're going to 424 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: navigate it. I would say the difference with Fangio is 425 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: he has a younger team. But to me, that's the 426 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: quality of the coaching because the coach, how can you 427 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 2: get younger players to buy into maybe something that is complex. 428 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 2: We saw Spags do it a couple of years ago 429 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: with the kN City Chiefs when they had all those 430 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: young hoppers running around on defense. So it's the same 431 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: thing to me, there is something about that which is look, man, 432 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: maybe that's why we saw a little bit of a 433 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: renaissance with Pete Carroll and some of the older guys 434 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: getting significant opportunities. 435 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I think it's an interesting point. All right, Buck, 436 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: We are going to switch gears though real quick. Going 437 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: to get into some college stuff here because it's time 438 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: for Hot or Not, brought to you by Wasabi Hot 439 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: Cloud Storage. Haven't had a chance to catch up with 440 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: you since East West, and I know, talking to some 441 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: other buddies that had made the trek from East West 442 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: to Senior, heard some names of some guys who popped. 443 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: But just you your experience down there, can you give 444 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: me a couple of dudes that I need to put 445 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: towards the top of the list I need to get watched. 446 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 2: Well, guys that you want to watch. And obviously we 447 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: started at quarterback. Everyone to talk about Shadrew Sander's but 448 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: Shadrius Sandas didn't work out. He just interviewed cal McCord. 449 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: Was the guy Calvi McCord from Syracuse who had transferred 450 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: from Ohio State. Has a phenomenal final season in Syracuse, 451 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: like he lit it up doing practices. What you saw 452 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: was a guy who came out as a four star, 453 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: five star quarterback. You saw the tools, you saw the talent, 454 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 2: you saw the touch, timing, anticipation. You saw him make 455 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: big boy throws. And what you also saw was someone 456 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: who you could squint and close your eyes and see 457 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: a top one hundred player in a game in which 458 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: we've seen Brock Purdy and Aidan O'Connell use that game 459 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: to step up. Cal McCord didn't play in the game, 460 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: but the week of practices should make him a very 461 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: interesting guy as like a mid round selection. You know, 462 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: I would say DJ stand on offense at running back 463 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 2: Todds Brooks from Texas Tech with someone that kind of 464 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: stood out five nine, two hundred and thirty pounds stop 465 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: start quickness. Burst can kind of run it like a pounder, 466 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: but has some speed to get to the outside. Like 467 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: he was interesting. There were some other guys that you 468 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: liked on offense. There was a bunch of wide receivers, 469 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 2: but like Aaronde Gatson, his son of Aronn Gason played 470 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: stood out at tight end. Those things. But I would 471 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: say the best players on the defense side of the 472 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: ball and Kansas cornerback Kobe Bryant was someone that they 473 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: talked about. And it's funny, Kobe Bryant, if he had 474 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 2: more size on him, you would really like him. But 475 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: he's only one hundred and seventy five pounds, and so 476 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 2: people worry about the Emanuel Forbes thing. But what I 477 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: saw is someone who could do some of the Jalen Ramsey, 478 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: the physical stuff or whatever. You just worry about his 479 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 2: size and then I would stay up front. Jordan Phillis 480 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: from Maryland. 481 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one that I heard the most about 482 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: the whole week. 483 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: He's the guy man like, he's the guy three hundred 484 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: and twenty pounds. I got a chance to stand with 485 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: Mike Loxley like the entire practice day, and he just 486 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: talked about the dude is wired right, great effort, great motor, 487 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 2: yes or noser type, just loves ball. And when you 488 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 2: saw him, man, you just don't see guys built like that. 489 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 2: Like he was a well put together three hundred and 490 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: twenty pounds. He was playing the three technique, but you 491 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: could see him being a very active nose tackle if 492 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: you had to use him there. He was just really 493 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: good man, really good with his hands, all of that. 494 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 2: He was outstanding the entire week. 495 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: Yep, that's the that was the name that just came 496 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: up a bunch of times. Out of there guy said, Oh, okay, 497 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: you need to you need to watch him. He's a really, 498 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: really good football player. I heard just through the grape 499 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: vine that the interviews with Shooter Or went well. Everybody 500 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: that I talked to that you know, had visited with 501 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: him enjoyed their time with him. So, I mean, obviously 502 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: didn't do anything at the at the game, which I 503 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: don't think anyboy anticipated he would, but they did. They 504 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: said they got the vibe from visiting with him as 505 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: somebody that really really loved football. 506 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, so it was interesting, right, and maybe this 507 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: is just a coach putting chum in the water. I 508 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: thought about Brian Callahan, who had coached Joe Burrow doing Cincinnati, 509 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: made loose comparisons between Shadur Sanders and Joe Burrow, And 510 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: if you want to read about it, there's an article 511 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: on ESPN to Ron Davin Fork kind of outlines what 512 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: Brian Callahan said, but insummation, he basically said, like, look, 513 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: he's a touch time and an anticipation quarterback, and much 514 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 2: like Joe Burrow, who may not have the strongest arm. 515 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: When you have touch, timing and anticipation, it allows you 516 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 2: to kind of mask some of those deficiencies. And he 517 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: basically alluded to the fact that like Burrow, he can 518 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: be a point guard in the right system where if 519 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 2: you're just like, hey, ball out, he can play when 520 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: it comes to that, get the ball out of his hands, 521 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: let him go to work and operate and doesn't mean anything. 522 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: It might have been one of those things that when 523 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 2: you're holding the number one pick, you're trying to entice 524 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: conversation in people to get up. But Brian Callahan put 525 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: it out there, and I thought it was an interesting thought. 526 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: When we think about quarterbacks and the things that are necessary, 527 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: it always comes down to decision making, accuracy, and ball placement. 528 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: And he's really raving about Shahdur Sanders' things, and he 529 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: made those loose comparisons to Joe Burrow, which I think 530 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: is a very interesting thing to just kind of put 531 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: it in our back pocket as we get ready to watch 532 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: him throw potentially at the combine. 533 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you kind of squint and you can 534 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: see that the anticipation accuracy part one thousand percent, like 535 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: or that's what he does really really well. He's especially 536 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: when he's clean in the pocket, feet in the ground, anticipation, accuracy, outstanding, which, 537 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, are key key elements playing the position. 538 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: Now he's smaller than Burrow, I don't think he's as 539 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: twitchy as Burrow. 540 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: Definite, he doesn't have He doesn't have a diference this. Yeah, yeah, 541 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: because Burrow was All state high school basketball player. The 542 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 2: athleticism go out. You also see the basketball skills come 543 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: out when he's he's destriying, but he likes to go empty. 544 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: He is a pass first point guard. He gets into 545 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: his playmakers and let them go to work. Not quite 546 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: as quick or as distinct when it comes to chadur Uh. 547 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting when we talked about talent, 548 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: because everyone is going to have the conversation, Hey, Kim 549 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: Wore's tools. Yeah, the charts, the tools are legit, they're real. 550 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: The decision making is more of a gunslinger than someone 551 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: that's gonna kind of play and manage the game maybe 552 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: the way that you you want consistently, But I'm which 553 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 2: are you willing to bank on being able to refine 554 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: it and harness that versus someone who doesn't have the 555 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: arm talent, but maybe he has the decision making and 556 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: the anticipation in time and that you wanted the offense. 557 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's a debate that's gonna take place 558 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: in the draft room, is can we can we rein 559 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: in cam Ward a little bit and still get the 560 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: benefit to reap the rewards of all the arm talent 561 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: and the you know, the suddenness and the way that 562 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 1: he can, you know, make some special things happen. Can 563 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: we rain that in or then on the should or side, well, 564 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: can we can we get him a little stronger? You know? 565 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: Can we you know it's like that's the conversation that's 566 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: going to be gone. 567 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. And another thing that's gonna be going because we 568 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: haven't had a had we haven't had the conversation, but 569 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: I guess we can say this, like Jackson Dart had 570 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 2: been the building, so we had a chance to talk 571 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: to him and those things. And there's been a lot 572 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: of conversation about QB two, QB three, Jackson Dart or 573 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 2: whoever the field because everyone has always talked about cam 574 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 2: Wood and Shaduer Sanders. But we've been in this long 575 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: enough to know, Yeah, who's the dark horse that we're 576 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: not paying attention to. Yeah, one day can get into conversation. 577 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: So studying Jackson Dart, you were there at the Senior Bowl, 578 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 2: he is intriguing. Talking to Jackson Dart, the intrigue grows. 579 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: What was your like take on what he did down 580 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: in Mobile and how does he just kind of loosely 581 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: factor into the conversation as we're talking about quarterbacks in 582 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: his class. 583 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: I would say it was like a solid week. He 584 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, he got a little bit better every day. 585 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: I didn't come out of that with a hot or 586 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: cold take on it. You know, I didn't come out 587 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: of there saying, man, he lit it up like we've seen, 588 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of guys light it up. And 589 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: I didn't come out of there saying, man, he really 590 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: hurt himself with the way he's performed. I just thought 591 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: he got a little bit better every week. He's he's big, 592 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: he's sturdy, he can move around. He moved around the game, 593 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: had a rushing touchdown something He's done a lot there 594 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: at Old Mess and everybody seemed to enjoy their time 595 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: with him, like we enjoyed, you know, getting a chance 596 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: to visit with him. He's a really good dude. So 597 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: I was doing an interview of the day with the 598 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: Seattle Radio and like that name's discussion there they're picking eighteen. 599 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: Now he's my forty first player. But again in this draft, 600 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: I don't know there's much difference between eighteen and fifty. 601 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I got the same. Like 602 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: our grade system is like a six to three. I've 603 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: got six threes basically starting it around that range, and 604 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: it goes all the way in the fifties. So it's 605 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: just you're stacking them however you prefer them. But grade wise, 606 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: talent wise, they're all in one big pile together. So 607 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: that's why I think you're gonna see one of these 608 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: other quarterbacks is going to emerge. You're right, it's gonna 609 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: be him you're talking, or it's gonna be you know, 610 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: Will Howard's got some sponsors for the way he finished 611 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: up winning a national championship. No, Roe's got some loud tools. 612 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: But you know, he was all kind of all over 613 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: the place down there at the Senior Bowl. Dylan Gabriel 614 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: is kind of I mean, everybody's like, oh, you know, 615 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: is he going to get drafted? I'm like, guys like 616 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: if you put him in a dome, like you put 617 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: him in the NFC South, He's not that much different 618 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: than Tua. Like there, you can you can see a 619 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: lot of similarities there. I know if I was Miami 620 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: and if he was hanging around there in the middle rounds, shoot, 621 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: I'd take him just as my two insurance because I 622 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: don't have to change anything on my offense. 623 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean so it's look, man, beauty is 624 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: always an eye of the beholder. And when you're talking 625 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: about quarterbacks and the number of teams that need quarterbacks 626 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: and the number teams that are gonna be boxed out 627 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: when it comes to free agency, those guys are going 628 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: to be in the conversation, maybe a little sooner than 629 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: many people think. And when you're talking about like the 630 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: next tier of quarterbacks, right like if we just say 631 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: that Kim Ward and Shoulder centers in a different tier. 632 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: But like those guys vying for three or maybe even two, 633 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: some names are gonna come up. And Jackson Dart to me, 634 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's the safest, but he's the most 635 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: logical that would come up. And the reason why I 636 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: would say is like he goes from sc to ole 637 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: Miss and even though the system is not a pro 638 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: style system, it marries a bunch of things that we 639 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: see on Sundays. You think about the level of experience, 640 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: You think about like I think now we are all 641 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: looking for the guy who's had to kind of go 642 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 2: through some stuff from almost side. He has some of that, 643 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: And to me, he's not as big of a project 644 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: as Jalen mill Roe could be in certain offenses. So 645 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 2: to me, he's kind of like a natural and logical 646 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: fit as the third or whatever. Will Howard certainly got 647 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: hot down to stretch with man. I still have like 648 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: the Michigan game where he didn't play rate and that 649 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: hanging like they're gonna be people to try and push 650 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: cal McCord into the thing, But then I'm gonna have 651 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: the whole year of Ohio State, the last year where 652 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: they pushed him out. He goes so there. Look, they're 653 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: gonna be things on every quarterback, even the ward and 654 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 2: to do so, it's going to be fascinating to have 655 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: the conversations as we get into the combine and then 656 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: the workouts, and then as what I would say is 657 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: a bad thing when when when think tank takes over, 658 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: who is going to be able to stand on conviction 659 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: and say, hey man, I feel really good about this 660 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: quarterback and we can build something out for him to 661 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: thrive in because I still remember there weren't a whole 662 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: lot of people that were had on bonnecks and bownicks 663 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: gets into the league and they're like, oh man, well 664 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: pay I'm like yeah, yeah, for everybody. It's so many 665 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: factors that go with where the guy can succeed a 666 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: fill in the league. Yep. 667 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: It's going to be part of the discussion here for 668 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: the next several months as we get towards the draft. 669 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us. Today, we 670 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: will have a short one. We got a short podcoming 671 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: your way tomorrow as we head towards Super Bowl Sunday, 672 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: and we'll have all the recap stuff for you beginning 673 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: early next week as we full on transition into the offseason, draft, 674 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: free agency, all that good stuff. So appreciate you guys 675 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: hanging with U. See next time right here on with 676 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: the sticks