1 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: Take a deep breath in through your nose. Holds it. 2 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Now, release slowly. 3 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Again deep in, helle. 4 00:00:50,960 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: Hold release, repeating internally to yourself as you connect to 5 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: my voice. I am deeply well. I am deeply well. 6 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: I am deeply I'm Debbie Brown and this is the 7 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 2: Deeply Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place 8 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: to land in your journey. A podcast for those that 9 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: are curious, creative, and ready to expand in higher consciousness 10 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: and self care. Thank you for joining us. This is 11 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: where we heal, this is where we become. I am 12 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: Debbie Brown. Welcome back to the Deeply Well Podcast. I 13 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: am so glad to have you here, and I think 14 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: gratefully now more than ever, so many in the world 15 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: are feeling that deep call, that deep little seed deep 16 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: within yourself, feeling the push to step into a more 17 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: expanded version of authenticity in your life. A lot of 18 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: questions are coming up for people inside of themselves as 19 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: the world seems to be spiraling in so many ways, 20 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: and we're realizing what truly matters and what really never did. 21 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: So I'm so. 22 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: Excited this episode to dive even more deeply into that 23 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 2: thought and into that process with an absolutely incredible guest 24 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: Today Today's Guest. Alynsia Johnson is an award winning cultural commentator, author, 25 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: political advisor, and leader at the intersection of social impact 26 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: and cultural change. Uniquely experienced at marrying cultural cornerstones, advocacy, politics, 27 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: corporate and entertainment together for good. She is the founder 28 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: of ten sixty three West Broad, a social impact consultancy 29 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: and media company connecting brands, organizations, and people to purpose 30 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: driven solutions. Her debut book, Flip the Tables, The Everyday 31 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: Disruptor's Guide to Finding Courage and Making Change, is coming 32 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: out in just a few weeks, and maybe by the 33 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: time you hear this episode is already here, so wherever 34 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: we land, you can pre order it, or you can 35 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: order it for real. 36 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: As you listen to this episode. 37 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: She's worked for presidential campaigns of President Barack Obama, Senator 38 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren, and was a senior advisor to President Biden 39 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: and Vice President Harris's twenty twenty campaign. Alyncia also held 40 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: national roles at Planned Parenthood and Geico, leading efforts in 41 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: each organization to address systemic issues facing marginalized communities through 42 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: brand engagement and narrative strategies. During her six years at 43 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: Planned Parenthood, she was one of the architects behind the 44 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: Stand with Black Women branding and framework, as well as 45 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: led the organization's election media strategies with Secretary Hillary Clinton's 46 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: presidential campaign. Alyncia has been recognized by Harvard University with 47 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: a Woman of the Year award, Ebony Magazine's Power one 48 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: hundred list of Influential African Americans, PR Week's forty Under 49 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: forty list, and more. Her board service includes the Warner 50 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: Music Group, Blevotnik Family Foundation, Social Justice Fund, as well 51 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: as Human Rights First, and she was appointed to the 52 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: Virginia Council on Women by Governor Ralph Northam. She is 53 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: currently a Georgetown University Institutes of Politics Fellow. Alyncia is 54 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 2: a sought after thought leader and cultural critic, regularly featured 55 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: on MSNBC, CNN, NBC, b ET, NPR, Washington Post, Essence, 56 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: Glamour and more. 57 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: Oo oit she. 58 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: Been doing work in the world. Welcome to the show, Lyncia. 59 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. 60 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 4: I'm so excited to be here. 61 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: I am so happy to have you here. 62 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: I remember I think this was either the first or 63 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: one of the first times we met this past year 64 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: in Florida at Kimberly Blackwell's incredible event that she puts 65 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 2: on every year for women elevate her and I remember You're. 66 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: Like, I love deeply well, and I was like, girl. 67 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: Yes, literally, I was like, oh my gosh, I love 68 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: deeply well. And then remember you were talking about use 69 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: the whole bag of epsom. 70 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: Saw, yes, use the whole bag sis, and that. 71 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: Really spoke to me because I love my EPs and 72 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: salt Babs and I felt so seen. So I was 73 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: so excited to see you there and finally meet you 74 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 3: and just what you bring in general to all of us, 75 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: but especially to that space of just boss business women 76 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 3: who really needed. 77 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 4: To center themselves. So it's a great meeting. 78 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: Much thank you, thank you, thank you. You have quite 79 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: an offering coming to the world. I mean, wow, you know, 80 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: we just kind of I was able to really beautifully 81 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 2: list off such a gorgeous life that you've lived, and 82 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: a life that is really deeply rooted in service and impact, 83 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: but also it requires, right like, a life that big, 84 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: a life that meaningful, requires so much of you and 85 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: so many facets of who you are. And so you know, 86 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: when we spoke recently and I was so excited to 87 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: get a copy of your book, Flip the Tables. 88 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: This cover is gorgeous. You know this is powerful. 89 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: Your book is called Flip the Tables, The Everyday Disruptor's 90 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: Guide to finding courage and can change. 91 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: What gave you the call to write this book? 92 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: Now, when I think about where I was a few 93 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: years ago at the beginning of the pandemic, you read 94 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: my beautiful bio, and I have been so blessed to 95 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: have a career that I believe is creating impact and 96 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: teaching people how to disrupt in the world. And I 97 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: don't take lightly that God chose me to do all 98 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: of these things. And at the beginning of the pandemic, 99 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: that was after Senator Elizabeth Warren had ended her presidential 100 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: campaign and I decided to go stay with my parents. 101 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: As I said, I'm not staying in Boston by myself. 102 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: We don't know what's happening here with this pandemic. And 103 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: I wasn't working again yet, but I was just figuring 104 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: things out, which I know is a privilege. And I 105 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: had this download from God very clearly about one of 106 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: my favorite stories of Jesus when he went in the 107 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: temple and flipped over tables, hence the title of the book. 108 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: But I started interrogating that and thinking, well, what made 109 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: Jesus really so frustrated that he wanted to flip over 110 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: tables in the temple that's supposed to honor his father. 111 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: And then I went and even broad her and said, well, 112 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 3: wait a minute, what would make all of us get 113 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: to a place that we are willing to flip over 114 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: a table a proverbial table. And so I was really 115 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: wrestling with that throughout the pandemic the height of the pandemic, 116 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: while I was also in prayer, I had some prayer 117 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: circles with some girlfriends and really thinking about what I 118 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: wanted to do next. I was looking through my own life. 119 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 3: I was thinking about relationships and how for some reason 120 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: I was dating the same person but they were all 121 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: different guys. 122 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 4: And I was like, well, why is this all the same? 123 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 4: And then why. 124 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: Why is the same? Why is this all the same 125 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: but none of them know each other? 126 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 4: Oh my God? 127 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 3: And then thinking about that always happens, which is why 128 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: we writing the book. I had to talk about some 129 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 3: of you know, my relationship, not struggles. 130 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 4: But journeys. 131 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your experiences, my experiences. 132 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: And then At the same time you listed off, you know, 133 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 3: you talked about all the things that had done in 134 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: my career. I was thinking about what I wanted to 135 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: do next and how I felt a little stifled, and 136 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: to be honest, I felt like I hadn't even reached 137 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: my fullest potential or was it even doing the things 138 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 3: that I wanted to do. Physically, I wasn't feeling the best. 139 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 3: I had gained a lot of weights and I lost 140 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: all of the amazing habits that I thought I had 141 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 3: picked up. 142 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 4: There was just a lot. 143 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: Happening in my own life, and. 144 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: This question kept coming of how do I create impact 145 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: in the world. So it's the pandemic, the murder of 146 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: George Floyd, this election, so many things are happening. And 147 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: the answer to that question of how do I create 148 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: impact in the world, it starts with healing myself. And 149 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: I took myself through this journey. Now, mind you, I 150 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: did not know that that concept and idea was a book. 151 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: My agent shout out to Trinity. She reached out to 152 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 3: me at the end of twenty twenty, and I was like, sure, 153 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: I have a book in me said that didn't know 154 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: that this what I was going through was the actual book. 155 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: I knew it was called Flip the Tables, and I said, Okay, sure, 156 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: I'll write this guide book for people who want to 157 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: sow more good in the world, because I believe that 158 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: our purpose here on earth, when we are who we 159 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: are supposed to be, it actually is in service to 160 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: one another, right, it is in community, It is relational, 161 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: It is to advance society. But how do we get there, Well, 162 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: it starts to itself. And I had to go through 163 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: my own journey of disrupting myself and disrupting my vision 164 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: of what's possible and then disrupting my community. And so 165 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 3: it took two years to write the proposal, and then 166 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: it took a good year to actually write the book. 167 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: But it was so divinely orchestrated to happen at the 168 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: parallel time that I literally was taking myself through the 169 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: first part of this book, this disruption of self and 170 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: disruption of vision of what's possible, and God was like, 171 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: you have to be very vulnerable, especially as someone who 172 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: I know that so many people, especially black women, look 173 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: to me and see all of these amazing professional things 174 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: I've done, and here I am breaking down myself and 175 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: saying I'm not content. There are things I'm missing in life, 176 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: whether it's time with family or time with self right, 177 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 3: or having less time in the office and more time 178 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 3: to do frivolous things, things that bring me joy, things 179 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: that allow for me to rest right, things that will 180 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: heal me physically and spiritually. And so that's where it 181 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 3: came from. It's literally the book that I needed when 182 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: I was going through about of depression and anxiety at 183 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: the very beginning of the pandemic. 184 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 185 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's really powerful. 186 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: And you know, a friend of mine, a healer friend 187 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: of mine, something he had said to me years ago 188 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: is when God gives you the title for the book, 189 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: then the next few years are the book, you know. 190 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: And I feel like in myself in my process, it 191 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: very much was that, even though I had so much 192 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: to talk about already and so many life experiences, but 193 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: God is like, okay, good, now, let's get your middle. Now, 194 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: let's get this, let's find your ending to this book. 195 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 2: Let's bring your life together in a way that you 196 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: can embody everything that you are saying and teaching. 197 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: To other people. And it takes you through that. 198 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: Really like beautiful and really hard and sometimes like very 199 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: anxiety filled and you know, tearful, yes, and. 200 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: Did experience literally you saying this, that is exactly what 201 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 3: it is, because that several points when I'm writing this book, 202 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, girl, why didn't you just write a 203 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 3: book about the women's movement? 204 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 4: What are you doing here? 205 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: Because I was going through all of that. When I 206 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 3: was reading the audiobook, I was in tears. Yeah, mind you, 207 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: I'd written and edited and approved all of. 208 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: This, read it ten times already. 209 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've sent it to people to get their feedback, 210 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: and I'm reading it and tears and even some of 211 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: the stuff is still challenging for me to read an 212 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: experience again. But it is my hope and the book 213 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 3: that we get to a place of understanding. But that's okay, 214 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: that's the process, right, Like it's actually a good thing 215 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: that you feel emotions about our experiences. But Debbie, it 216 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: took me so long to get there, especially I'm a 217 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: virgo type a person we like to run from our feelings. 218 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 4: No, it's actually good to sit in that. 219 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, not just good, it's like that's God's intention. Yeah, 220 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: you know, And I think that's what's so beautiful and 221 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: what you express really powerfully in the book. It's like 222 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 2: giving yourself that agency to not just be one thing. Right, 223 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: I don't have to be the perception that is crafted 224 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: or the version of me that everyone is kind of 225 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: projecting onto me. Like I am having my human experience 226 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: and it is faceted. 227 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 4: It's so facinted, and it's fascinating. 228 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 229 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: Right, and it's something for us to interrogate. So I 230 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: have been in and out of therapy myentire most of 231 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: my life. I was diagnosed with OCD when I was fifteen. 232 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: I had a nervous breakdown and college and I talk 233 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: about some of this in the book, and so I've 234 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: been in and out of therapy for years. But it 235 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: finally took me sitting and saying, I have the tools already, Yeah, 236 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: go try this on your own. And you're not something. 237 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: You're not a problem that needs to be fixed. Yeah, 238 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: you are this complex, beautiful human to accept and embrace. 239 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: And that journey has been that's right, so much, but 240 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: it's been so rewarding and so powerful. Right, and that 241 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: the courage and the confidence that comes from that I 242 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: want all of us to experience. 243 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, God, that's beautiful. 244 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting. It's like in this day 245 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: and age. I mean, I think so many words get 246 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: really trendy, right like really fast, and we all seem 247 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: to have, in general, very different definitions for the words 248 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: many of us commonly use, right Like, the word love 249 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: is defined very differently by each of us, and many 250 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: of the words. 251 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: And I think one of the words now that. 252 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: People can appropriate for whatever intention they want is the 253 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: word authenticity, right Like, I see some people using that 254 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: word as a way to kind of continue to promote 255 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: bad behavior because they're like, this is my authentic self. 256 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: And it's like, that's not really. 257 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: What it is, right Like, what you're describing is what 258 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: the truth of authenticity is, right It's the peeling back 259 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: the layers. It's giving self permission to not fit or 260 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: and we never could not attempt to fit a perfect 261 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: right like being able to say I feel like crying, 262 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: so I will cry. I feel like yelling, so I 263 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: will yell today. Little depressed today, Wow, I feel really 264 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: powerful and ready to serve and use my skills. And 265 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: it's like, that's the heart of what it is to 266 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: be an authentic woman, to be, you know, a servant leader. 267 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: It's connecting all of that. Your book is centered around 268 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: the idea of disruption. Can you define what it means 269 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: to be a disruptor in today's world, especially for women 270 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: that are navigating this personal space and this professional space 271 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: and trying to find. 272 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: A way to be who they really are in both. 273 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 3: M I love that you led into that question with 274 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: what it truly means to be your authentic self because 275 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 3: for me and I spend a lot of time at 276 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: the beginning of the book defining disruption and reclaiming it 277 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: because I feel as though as we've been talking about 278 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: how words have shifted meaning right and they became a 279 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 3: buzzword and you would hear it in very business terms, 280 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: and to be honest, people involved with the book were like, 281 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: maybe you shouldn't actual put that on the book cover. 282 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 3: And for me, I had always danced with the word 283 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: because as someone who grew up my dad's a. 284 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: Pastor, I'm a Black Christian. 285 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: And then also in this change making space, we embrace 286 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 3: the word disruption, but I had to really interrogate what 287 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: does that mean? 288 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 4: For me? 289 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: It is intentionally tearing something down to build something better. 290 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: And I imagine the Tasmanian Devil Loney tunes, right, he 291 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: was just going through town, barreling through with no plan, 292 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: no concept of why he's just destroying. 293 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 4: That's not a disruptor. 294 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: The disruptor understands that something can actually be a lot better. 295 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 3: And this is no longer serving us and women who 296 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: want to be disruptors. And I believe that we are 297 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 3: by nature right. Our very existence for the most part, 298 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: especially women of color, is disruptive. We know that when 299 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: we walk into a room with our authentic self, we 300 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 3: can shift the entire atmosphere. That might be what's something 301 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: we say, or who we bring to the table, or 302 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 3: whatever it may be. And so the first step of 303 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 3: disruption for me, and that's what I had to work 304 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 3: through in the book, is us having the courage to 305 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: be ourselves. And I intentionally use courage instead of fearless, 306 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 3: because sometimes that fear doesn't go away. Encourage reminds us 307 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: that there's something greater than our fear, and as a disruptor, 308 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 3: sometimes there's something greater than our fear that requires us 309 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 3: to shift the entire atmosphere, to flip over that perverbial 310 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: table to say, you know what, this isn't working. We 311 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: need to build something better. We may not know exactly 312 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: how we're going to do it. But that's the north 313 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 3: star and the goal. And it's also connected to the 314 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: fact that if I don't do this, if I don't 315 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: disrupt what's right in front of me, the person next 316 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 3: to me can't also do what they're supposed to be 317 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: doing because we're all connected, We're all interconnected. 318 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a really really powerful understanding to come 319 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: to because it's like, and it's why we all have 320 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: to use our gifts and do the work, you know, 321 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: do the work you've been avoiding. 322 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: God requires it because it's like. 323 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 2: If you don't become yourself, the people around you can't. 324 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: Now, if you don't do. 325 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 2: What you're here to do, you're disrupting that chain, that 326 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: domino effect, and what isn't getting birth because you won't 327 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: be yourself? 328 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 4: That's right? 329 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: And how can I face God and not have used 330 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: the gifts that he has entrusted me with? 331 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: Right? 332 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 3: Like, how can I answer the question of did you 333 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: do what you were supposed to do. 334 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 4: On this earth? 335 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 336 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 3: If I stayed in my own way. One of my 337 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: good friends is I was working through my proposal, which 338 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 3: the proposal took longer than actually writing the book. I 339 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: had a good friend of mine. He would call me 340 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: like once a month and he would be like, how's 341 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: the proposal going, what's going on? And one day he 342 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 3: literally said, I want to see you're selfish? I said, 343 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: excuse me. He said, the world needs this book more 344 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 3: than you are, more than the roadblocks that you have 345 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: in your life. He said, we need this book, and 346 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 3: you are being selfish with what God has told you 347 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 3: to put out in the world. And when I tell 348 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: you that, that convicted me, and it pushed me to 349 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: a place of I'm crying through proposal notes. I'm like, God, 350 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: I don't know how I'm going to do this, But 351 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: in essence, I was living what I'm telling everyone to live. 352 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 2: Right. 353 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, that, Oh, something bigger than me, bigger than my fear, 354 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 3: is requiring me to go forward and do this. 355 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: Hmm. 356 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: Okay, everybody listening, take a breath, Sit with that for 357 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: a second. We'll revisit this later in that episode. But 358 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: where are you being selfish? Where are you not listening? 359 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: Where are you not doing what you're called to do? 360 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: I you know, I think we're another one of those times. 361 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: Because there are years of activations that happen on this 362 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: planet really intentionally. This is what I've observed within my 363 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: spiritual awakening. There are different activation points that happen every 364 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 2: so amount of years, right where the people that need 365 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 2: to speak, the people that need to teach, are activated 366 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: and activated in new ways. And I identified for myself 367 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: like twenty ten, twenty twelve, twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and 368 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: now this moment twenty twenty five feels to me where 369 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: I've kind of observed in my own process and and 370 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: seeing other people who have birthed the important works that 371 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: these were years that have been really important to humanity. 372 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: And I remember when twenty twenty first came and it 373 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: was already working in wellness and all the things, but 374 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: God gave me this this sentence that I started posing 375 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: with my students, and I started putting on social media, 376 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 2: which was who are you being called to become? 377 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: Right now? 378 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: And I had launched this program called the Divine Timeout 379 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 2: because I remember this second I heard the pandemic orders 380 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: come down, I was like, Oh, this is an opportunity. 381 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: People are about to become themselves. People are going to 382 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 2: get to sit with the truth of who and what 383 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 2: they are in the best ways and in the really 384 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: challenging ways, and they're going to be able to emerge 385 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 2: from whatever this container is. Hopefully if you do the work, 386 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: if you sit in it, if you be with it, 387 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: there is profound opportunity to come to the other side 388 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: of this isolation and these home orders as who you 389 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: are actually meant to be. 390 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: And it's yeah, it's. 391 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: Just really powerful because it's like, though, I know you 392 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: have had a very layered life, and I'm certain God 393 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 2: has spoken to you about so many things, so many times. 394 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: But it's interesting because if we look at what I'm 395 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: trying to really spotlight is the importance of listening when you. 396 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: Hear it, right, Because you heard this book. 397 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, you then spent time becoming who you 398 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 2: needed to be to birth this in the way that 399 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: would free and unlock people. And right now, in this 400 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 2: year of twenty our lord, twenty twenty five, my god, 401 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: my god, my god, my god, the world is changing 402 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: and we have to get really freaking clear. And so 403 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: your awakening and you listening when you need it to 404 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: is now coming into this moment five years later, which is, 405 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: dare I say, one of the most pivotal moments in 406 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 2: human history. Yes, one of the most pivotal moments in 407 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 2: human history and at the bare minimum, one of the 408 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: most pivotal moments in this country. 409 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: And now there are resources and tools for who's ready to. 410 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: Be awakened right now to then pass the baton to 411 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: continue the work. So it is so important that you listen. 412 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 2: It is so important that you listen and. 413 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: Do do your work. Do your work. 414 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Debbie, I'm like feeling and receiving everything that you're saying, 415 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 3: because I'm about to get emotional. If I hadn't been obedient, yeah, right, Like, 416 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 3: if I had not been obedient and the going through 417 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 3: and the facing myself and the being honest with myself 418 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: in ways that quite frankly, even my loved ones at 419 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: the time couldn't understand. Right, And thank god, I have 420 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 3: so many friends and family who were. 421 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 4: Like, I don't get this, but I support you. Whatever 422 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 4: this journey is that you're on, I support you. 423 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 3: But if I wasn't obedient, this book wouldn't be coming 424 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 3: out at a time when people are looking for a 425 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 3: guy to navigate and a guy that gives them permission 426 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 3: to actually go inward a bit before you face the world. Right, Like, 427 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 3: there's a whole section disruption of community that talks about 428 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: ways that we can seemingly small ways that actually help 429 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 3: with disruption. But it's the going through in our journey first. 430 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: And I write a little bit about something that you 431 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: said about how the pandemic was an opportunity, and that's 432 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: what I felt too. I said, Okay, thank you God 433 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: that I can hang out with my parents for several 434 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: months and I can work from home, and they're retired, 435 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: so we had our base level of needs met that 436 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 3: we could actually take that time and really have conversations 437 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: that were needed. I could focus on myself in ways 438 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: that I hadn't before. 439 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 4: I can. 440 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: I could realize that, you know what, I don't need 441 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 3: to achieve anything else. I say that as I'm putting 442 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: a book out, But yeah, I don't need to achieve 443 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: anything else. I don't need to fly across the country 444 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 3: every other week because I need to be at this 445 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 3: meeting or be in the mix. I actually want to 446 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 3: go hiking with my friends. I actually want to want 447 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 3: to I want to want to build a life, YEA, 448 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 3: a life that quite frankly devy in the going through 449 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 3: over these years. There was a moment, and I'm just 450 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: so blessed that as an entrepreneur, I have been successful. 451 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 4: I immediately got all of. 452 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 3: The are you building this big agency and how much 453 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: money are you raising? And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, 454 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 3: that's not actually what I want to do, Like I 455 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 3: want the freedom of time, and there's a way that 456 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: I can do this that serves me. 457 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 4: So I was pushing against that. 458 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 3: And then I was in my new place at the time, 459 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 3: and beautiful place, had all the clothes, all the things, 460 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 3: and I remember sitting in my bedroom outside of my 461 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 3: closet and I was like, this is great, but like, 462 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: am I really happy? Like am I really happy with 463 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 3: all of the things, with all of the accolade? 464 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: Am I really happy here? 465 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 3: And that breaking down help get this book, and it 466 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 3: got me to a place of you know, when the 467 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 3: world opened up, there are a lot of people, people 468 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 3: that we know, who got immediately back into their pre 469 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 3: pandemic selves, on flights, at events, doing all the things, 470 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 3: and I'm like, have we not learned our lessons? 471 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: I was actually shocked me to. 472 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: See how many people instantly went back to that, and 473 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I thought I thought that was 474 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 2: going to bring a little more. 475 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, I think some of it 476 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 3: is DeBie is. So many of us are scared to 477 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 3: sit with ourselves. We are running from ourselves. 478 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: It's the hardest thing. It's the hardest thing, the hard 479 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: That's what the work of our lives is. It is. 480 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I stopped being scared of myself. I'm like, Wow, 481 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: you were scared of yourself. Like to sit with yourself. 482 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 3: It's okay to cry, It's okay to be angry, It's 483 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 3: okay that this childhood trauma that happened to you when 484 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: you were six years old, it still impacts you. That's 485 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: reminding you that you are human. Right Like, I actually 486 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 3: don't want to be numb to emotions. And again for 487 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 3: me as a virgo to say that that is a 488 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 3: lot to not be numb to my emotions. And again, 489 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: if I wasn't obedient, I always want to be in 490 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: a place where I can hear God, whether clearly or 491 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: through signs. And something that came to me even before 492 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: the pandemic was that I don't actually want a full plate, 493 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: because if I have a full plate, that means not 494 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 3: only isn't there if there isn't room for me to 495 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 3: do some of the things that I want to do, 496 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 3: but there's also no room for God to use me 497 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 3: in the ways that He needs me to be. You 498 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: have to you have to have space, and I have 499 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: been pushing and creating that space. And I want to 500 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 3: give us all the permission to do that because to 501 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 3: your other point about this moment we're in, especially right 502 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: now as a country and as a world, we have 503 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 3: to have the space to show up in community, to 504 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: do what we need to do to get us to 505 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,719 Speaker 3: the other side of that together. 506 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 4: Deeply. 507 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: Well, you know so interesting to me about you know, 508 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: creating the spaces. 509 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: I talk with so many people about this. You know, 510 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: so many people that fl fil fill phil fill their 511 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: lives or. 512 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 2: Always like making these plans or even having these you know, 513 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: and this is not sometimes this serves purpose. 514 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: But when we're overly attached to goals. 515 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: Or building out these like long timelines of how life 516 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: should go for me, that really illustrates a deep lack 517 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: of faith in God, a deep lack of faith in 518 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: your life. Because when you are faithful, you get the message, 519 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: you get the call, and then you create the space 520 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: for it because you know you're not meant to carry 521 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: all of it or understand all of it right away, 522 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: especially when you're building something you haven't been yet. So 523 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: it's like taking some of that pressure off to make 524 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 2: this space to let God move in your life and 525 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: actually build what is desired, because it is in service 526 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: to more than just you and to other people. But 527 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: if you find yourself and I'm saying this for whoever 528 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: needs it listening right now, you know, if you find 529 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: yourself looking to fill every single inch of your time, 530 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: there's something to look at. Yeah, you know something, something 531 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: needs your attention within yourself, and it's time to start 532 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: investigating your relationship with your nervous system and your relationship 533 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: with the need to be distracted at all times. 534 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: And that's the work that I end up having to do. 535 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 3: And even now when I go through bouts of I 536 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 3: feel like my career is in sprints, Like there are 537 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 3: short spurts where it's like extremely busy and chaotic, and 538 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 3: then it kind of levels out to the point where 539 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: sometimes I'm bored. But I've learned to sit in boredom 540 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 3: with nothing to do. But in those chaotic times, I 541 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 3: found that I have to cling closer to myself and 542 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 3: create the space to meditate, to pray, to get in 543 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: deeper relationship with my maker, because that is what's going 544 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 3: to help me navigate that right. And you mentioned lack 545 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 3: of faith, and I write about that in the book. 546 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 3: There's a chapter called sometimes the Red Flags. You and 547 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 3: I had to really list out all of the things 548 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 3: that I was doing to get in my own way, 549 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 3: and one of those things was having a lack of faith. 550 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 3: And I was apologizing to God. I was like, oh 551 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 3: my God, how am I doubting you? And then I realized, well, 552 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 3: if you gave me the vision, then I just have 553 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 3: to trust that it's going to happen, that it's all 554 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 3: going to fall into place. And the more that I surrender, 555 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: I surrender my thought process on how it's supposed to 556 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 3: work out. I surrender against what everyone else says. The 557 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: easier it is to actually walk in what I'm supposed 558 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 3: to be doing right, the easier it is to be obedient. 559 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 3: But that lack of faith piece. I had to wrestle 560 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 3: with that for a lot because I was constantly questioning 561 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 3: why certain things weren't working out, trying to figure out things, 562 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 3: and I kept hearing, but do you trust me? And 563 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, right, I have to learn to 564 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: trust you, and I have to accept who I am 565 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: today and have the courage to walk into spaces to 566 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 3: put ideas out there, trusting that if I've been called here, 567 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 3: it is actually going to work out the way that 568 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 3: it's supposed to. 569 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, As you were diving into some of 570 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: those inner chambers of who you were, what surprised you 571 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: the most? 572 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 3: M one of the things that really surprised me, and 573 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 3: I had a therapist work with me on this. It's 574 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 3: how harsh I was with myself and can still be right. 575 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: I had a therapist who she said to me, one time, you. 576 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 4: Go to law school. 577 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 3: And I was like, no, girl, Like, what are you 578 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: asking me this for? And she said, there's this judge 579 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 3: in here. And I didn't think that that was your career, 580 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 3: but I just wanted. 581 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 4: To make sure. 582 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 3: And I was like, ooh, the read okay, okay. And 583 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: so she would constantly point out there's that judge because 584 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 3: I would use the words should or I should. 585 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 4: Be doing this, or they should be. 586 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,239 Speaker 3: And what was reflected back onto me was how I 587 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 3: had such high expectations of myself. And I've worked through 588 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 3: the difference between expectations and standards. 589 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 4: I can have high. 590 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: Standards, but these expectations that were impossible for me to 591 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 3: meet for myself. Was also putting the people around me 592 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 3: in positions of like we could never meet her expectations 593 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 3: of her or who we're supposed to be ooh, And 594 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 3: I had to really sit with that of like, why 595 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 3: are you hiding behind these arbitrary expectations? 596 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 4: What conditioned you this way? 597 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: Right? 598 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 3: And that took some grieving of who I was, That 599 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: took some understanding of how I was raised. That took 600 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 3: some grace for how black parents of a certain age 601 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 3: had to protect their children. 602 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 4: Right, and like what that looks like and what. 603 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: Happens in the church and all of these things I 604 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 3: had to work through to really stop judging myself and 605 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 3: release those expectations so I could release my expectations of 606 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 3: other people as well as let them embrace who I am. 607 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 3: And one of the things that I constantly say, I 608 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 3: would say it in relation to romantic relationships, but I 609 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 3: actually didn't realized that it was in relation to all 610 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 3: of my relationships. 611 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 4: So I want to be in a. 612 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 3: Place where it feels safe to feel fully seen, to 613 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 3: be fully seen. But what requires that is some courage 614 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: to actually put yourself out there right woo, And so 615 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 3: I kept saying it, Debbie, and then I kept being 616 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 3: confronted with spaces to be seen and friendships and dating 617 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 3: and even in like workspaces, and I heard this little 618 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: word of but this is what you want it like, yeah, 619 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 3: we're getting rid of this judge and we're being fully seen. 620 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. 621 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 3: And it's been bumpy, but it's been so beautiful and rewarding, and. 622 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: It's it's it really is the most special part. You know, 623 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: it's very. 624 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 2: Cringey when you're in the midst of it, like, oh 625 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: my god, how many times you make yourself cringe at yourself. 626 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: You're like, oh god, girl, I wanted. 627 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 4: To apologize, like ooh. 628 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: Mess. But then it's like, you know, and I don't 629 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: know if you feel this way, but you look back 630 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: years later. 631 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: And it's a once in a lifetime thing when you're 632 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: in it, and it feels like forever when you're in 633 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 2: the midst of it, But then you miss it because 634 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 2: it's like, my god, the way you bloomed, like the 635 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 2: way you unfolded and unfurled and came to life, and 636 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,240 Speaker 2: like you know, that perfect word, the way every time 637 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 2: you have. 638 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 1: The courage to keep practicing. 639 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 2: Because when we ask God for something, especially to be 640 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 2: a better person, you actually have to get your reps up. 641 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 2: You have to get in all the opportunities for practice 642 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 2: that refine you. 643 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 4: Enough to be that. 644 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 2: And it's like it's it's gnarly, but it's so special. 645 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 2: And then you're like, oh, I'm bringing all of my skills, 646 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 2: Like all of that I can bring into this too. 647 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 2: I'm not walking in like a little lamb, Like I 648 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 2: can walk in with the skills, with the insight, with 649 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 2: the depth that I've amassed and apply it to me. 650 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 3: Here you said refining. It makes me think about you know, 651 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 3: in the Bible they talk about it talks about us 652 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 3: being refined like gold, and so often we want God 653 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 3: to bring us to a certain place, but we don't 654 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 3: think about the going through, right, like you have to 655 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 3: go on the furnace to be refined is pure gold, right, 656 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 3: And that is actually really important And that journey I 657 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 3: used to want to run away from that tough journey. 658 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 3: But to your point, it's the reps. It's the getting 659 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 3: the reps in that eventually gets easier. And it reminds 660 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 3: you of I talk about proof points in here of 661 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 3: this is evidence that I can do these hard things. Yeah, 662 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 3: if I keep doing them, they may not get easier, 663 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 3: but you know what, they're less burden some I know 664 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 3: that I can overcome again. But what's on the other 665 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 3: side of all of that is so worth it. And 666 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 3: that is greater than any fear that I have or 667 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 3: any apprehension I have of that standing in the mirror 668 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 3: looking at myself when I don't want to. But what's 669 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 3: on the other side of that is worth that, And 670 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 3: getting to that refined, pure gold is worth going through 671 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 3: the furnace. 672 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: So this book is just so important. It's just so important. 673 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 2: And you know, as I think about the time that 674 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 2: it is coming out, and you know, just quickly, could 675 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 2: you even imagine, right if you didn't listen to that 676 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 2: call in twenty twenty and do all of that refinement 677 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 2: and we came to this moment as someone working in 678 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 2: government in the presidential world, It's like, I'd imagine that 679 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 2: would be a full shutdown. 680 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 681 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, Debbie, I was at a coffee shop, my 682 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 3: favorite coffee shop in Arlington, Virginia, on a Saturday, doing 683 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 3: some edits and it was a huge that was a 684 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 3: huge political moment. It was the unfortunate rally where the 685 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 3: non president was there was an attempted assassination, and I 686 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 3: had a moment where and I'm getting all this pressure 687 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 3: from my editors is they're like, you're a little late 688 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 3: on these edits, and I said, it would be really 689 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 3: irresponsible for me to rush through a lot of this 690 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 3: with everything happening in the world right now. And I 691 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 3: don't address that specific incident in the book because I 692 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 3: don't want to give energy to that person, but it 693 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 3: made me reorient my mind as I was looking through 694 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 3: the edits, and God was very clear of like, yes, 695 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 3: you relate on those you understand. You wrote a book too, 696 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 3: You relate on those you relate because that's what they said. 697 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 4: But this is the. 698 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 3: Time, like this is actually divinely orchestrated for you to 699 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 3: be doing these edits through this lens. And then you know, 700 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks later, Vice President Harris becomes the nominee, right, 701 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 3: and then I'm working through my final edits in the 702 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 3: midst of all of that, and so just the lens 703 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 3: of these disruptions happening in the world and knowing that, Okay, 704 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to close this book now before the election, 705 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 3: and it's coming out women's history month after the election, 706 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 3: how does this book work for either scenarios? And that 707 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 3: was my question. I said, Okay, God, I just trust you. 708 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 3: And had I not been obedient, I might have been 709 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 3: like scrambling to write a book right now that doesn't 710 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 3: really capture what we are all trying to navigate through, 711 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 3: which is trying to navigate ourselves in the midst of 712 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 3: trying to navigate this world and how those have to 713 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 3: work together, and giving people a space to understand that. 714 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 3: It set us to another that was in another interview 715 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 3: and they were asking how my soul is and how 716 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 3: my spirit is. I was like, it's optimistic and it's light, 717 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 3: and she said in all of this, I said, yes, 718 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 3: I understand the importance of maintaining a healthy soul. As 719 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 3: Alice Walker talks about maintaining a healthy soul in the 720 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 3: face of oppression. Yes, now more than ever, that is 721 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 3: imperative and that is our first tool of disruption. And 722 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 3: I want to give everyone that permission to cut out 723 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 3: the noise, cut out the distraction, stay informed, but really take. 724 00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: Care of our souls. 725 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 4: Get deeply wet well. 726 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, to show up when we all get that phone 727 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 3: call of Okay, this is what we collectively have to do. 728 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, mmmmmm mm hmmm. Yeah, it's time. It's time, It's time. 729 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 2: Deeply well, I am so excited about this book, so 730 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 2: excited what it will do for the hearts and the 731 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 2: minds and the spirits that connect to it and that 732 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 2: stay with the process. At the end of every episode, 733 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 2: I like to invite guests to share a piece of 734 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 2: soul work. 735 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: With the audience. 736 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 2: And this can look like a journal prompt or one 737 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 2: of your personal practices for self reclamation, but something that 738 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 2: everyone listening can utilize to really integrate and process everything 739 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 2: that they've just heard. 740 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 3: So there's two things that I focus on. One is gratitude, 741 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 3: but like real gratitude, not just you know, oh I 742 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 3: love my meal today, but like thinking of something every 743 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 3: single day to have gratitude for. And I do that 744 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 3: in prayer, some people do that in journals. And then two, 745 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 3: I have learned to connect more with nature, and so 746 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 3: daily walks, even if it's for fifteen minutes, getting outside 747 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 3: in nature. Those are the two things. And they're so simple, 748 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 3: they don't cost any money. Yeah yeah, and we can 749 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 3: do them any almost any and everywhere, and they help 750 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 3: me in my practice to just stay in myself and 751 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,760 Speaker 3: to stay well and to be in my spirit. 752 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 1: That is really. 753 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 2: Such a perfect way to connect to regulation, you know, 754 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 2: and really connect to who you are. And as anyone 755 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 2: is listening, if there's ever moments when you hear some 756 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 2: of these techniques and you feel like you'd have anxiety 757 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 2: taking a walk by yourself, or you're like, it's not 758 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 2: pleasure to take a walk by myself, it's uncomfortable. That's 759 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 2: what the work is, that's the piece, that is the 760 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 2: work to do, and that's why you need the walk. 761 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 2: And as you continue to take that daily walk, those 762 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 2: parts of you soften, those parts of you lift, and 763 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 2: eventually it becomes a way for you to connect to 764 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 2: beauty and you're out there not in the anxiety of 765 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 2: your chest, or the boredom or the embarrassment or the awkwardness. 766 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: It's like, uh wow, look at that tree. Oh feel 767 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: that wind m. 768 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 2: You know, it's like you get to settle into the 769 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 2: truth of who you are on that walk. 770 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 3: And you're mentioning this and walks without distractions. So when 771 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 3: I first started walking outside and you know, this was 772 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 3: starting to be part of like my daily or as 773 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:56,280 Speaker 3: much as possible daily practice headphones in listening to music 774 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 3: or a podcasts or whatever it may be. And sometimes 775 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 3: I still do that, but I had to stop and say, 776 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 3: why am I distracting myself from my own voice? 777 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? What am I running from? 778 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 779 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 3: And the more silence I have, Oh my gosh, there's 780 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 3: so many downloads I get back from my walks, and 781 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 3: I'm like, I have this amazing idea and like this, 782 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 3: I just work through this issue. There's so many things 783 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 3: that are so transformative. And the thing I love about, 784 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 3: whether it's a walk outside or just a practice of gratitude, 785 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 3: it allowed for me to let go of you know how, 786 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 3: there was like this period and even now, like there 787 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 3: are always like articles about my my morning routine for 788 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 3: an hour and I do X, Y and Z, these 789 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 3: rigid routines of self care, and I'm like, wait a minute, 790 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 3: it actually should be a bit more fluid, and I 791 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 3: shouldn't be in a space where I feel like I 792 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 3: don't feel good about myself because I didn't check off 793 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 3: a box of fifteen things to do every morning. What 794 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 3: are the two things that I can do every single day? 795 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 3: And even if I get up one morning because I overslept, 796 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 3: and I'm like rushing to whatever it may be. I 797 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 3: can It'll stop in my car for two minutes and 798 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 3: have a moment of gratitude. Yeah right, I can give 799 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 3: myself the grace that, you know what, The routine looks 800 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 3: a little different late today, But these are the two 801 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 3: things that you commit it to, and you can do 802 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 3: them anytime, anywhere, and it doesn't have to be so rigid. 803 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta let the creativity in because that's what 804 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,879 Speaker 2: God commands of us. It's creation even in our self 805 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,879 Speaker 2: care practices. And you know too, to that point about 806 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 2: the headphones I always share with people put on. If 807 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 2: you put on music during your self care practice, let 808 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 2: it be a playlist you don't know, not your favorite songs, 809 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 2: not the songs you know by heart, because they're all 810 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 2: connected to memories and that keeps you filled, right, they're 811 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 2: all and they're connected to cellular memories, so it keeps 812 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 2: you full. But when you let the silence come in, 813 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 2: it's not just the silence, it is the synchronicity, the serendipity, 814 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 2: the co creation. 815 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: With the world around you. Because you might hear a 816 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: bird chirping, right, which is a sound you may not be. 817 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 2: Used to that leads you to a thought that leads 818 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 2: you to a feeling that So it's like it's letting 819 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,879 Speaker 2: all of God's orchestra come online for you to really, yeah, 820 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 2: transform you in those beautifully small but important moments. 821 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 3: So important. So I'm just thinking about now the paths 822 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 3: that I usually go on. I'm like, the old me 823 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 3: would have never recognized the beauty in all of this, 824 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 3: and then I'm recognizing the beauty and then I'm smiling 825 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 3: at people, I'm speaking to people. I'm building community. 826 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 2: Where your heartest softening, your hardest, becoming more open. 827 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 3: And we need so much more of that in the world, 828 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 3: so much more. Honestly, I feel like we are where 829 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 3: we are in society because there's so many broken people 830 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 3: leading in spaces that quite frankly, they need to take 831 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 3: some time and actually heal themselves, which is you know, 832 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,479 Speaker 3: part of also wrote what drove me to write this book. 833 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 3: I realize that there are so many people I would 834 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 3: be working with. We're supposed to be doing so much, 835 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 3: pouring so much good into the world, and yet we 836 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 3: were harming one another, yeah, because we were not well 837 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 3: within ourselves. And my God, I look at this leaders 838 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 3: who are making these inhumane decisions, and I'm like, Wow, 839 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 3: you weren't loved as a child, you were scared of yourself, 840 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,319 Speaker 3: you were not healed. It's really sad. And so if 841 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 3: we can do that, imagine, I mean, we could do 842 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 3: that and inspire other people to do that. Just imagine 843 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 3: one turns into two, turns into ten, turns into a hundred, 844 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 3: turns into a thousand. That is such a beautiful act 845 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 3: of resistance. 846 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 847 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what the work is, and that's why 848 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 2: we all need to be doing it. Yeah, because even 849 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 2: someone gazing at you, not knowing you, your freedom frees them. 850 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,279 Speaker 1: They see it in you, It frees them, you know. 851 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 2: And it's just profoundly, profoundly important work. And it's God's work. Alynsia, 852 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me. Flip the tables 853 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 2: a Lindsia Johnson, get your copy, bring your journal along, 854 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 2: see where it lands, see what it invokes, connect it 855 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 2: to your process. Really grateful for your life, Grateful for 856 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,240 Speaker 2: your answering of this call, and thank you for sharing 857 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:18,840 Speaker 2: your wisdom. 858 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: Thank you, deb thank you for creating the space. 859 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 2: Deeply well hit us on, let me know how you're 860 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,720 Speaker 2: connecting to this episode at Deeply Well pod at Debbie Brown. 861 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 2: Share this episode with a friend who needs to flip 862 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 2: some tables in their life. 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