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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: Back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special guys, what's up with your Brodie with

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Speaker 1: the virtual handshake, I'm gonna tell you that I never

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Speaker 1: told no back. I want to smoke. Welcome back season

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Speaker 1: two All the Smoke with our new partner I Heart.

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure for me to introduce strictly just one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite humans. Former teammate of mine, good friend

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Speaker 1: of mine, big fan of what he's doing off the

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Speaker 1: court as well. Welcome JJ Reddick. Guys, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me, Appreciate you for coming on man, appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: I feel the same way back. A funny story like

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Speaker 1: and and it really made me change my thinking period

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Speaker 1: when I because I just you know, JJ, you and

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Speaker 1: most do guys have this like there's that stigma duke guy,

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Speaker 1: and you were the ultimate duke guy. You know, all

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Speaker 1: time leading score, accolade, a list of accolades, budget. I

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Speaker 1: looked at him like, he just seems like he'd be

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Speaker 1: an asshole, and that's just what I thought. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know anything about you. I never met you teammates, you know,

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Speaker 1: ended up being teammates with you in Orlando, and it

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Speaker 1: just completely flipped my thinking on literally pre judging someone

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Speaker 1: before I met him. I tell you, like, in two

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Speaker 1: thousand nine, that was really my wake up call because

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Speaker 1: I thought, O, this guy is probably whatever met you,

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Speaker 1: one of the nicest, most humble, hardest working people I've

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Speaker 1: ever met. Man, in this honor to call you a friend,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, have you on the show today?

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. I appreciate that. Man. I remember when

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Speaker 1: we met too, because it was we were doing Jamir

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Speaker 1: Nelson's Week in Philadelphia. He would have everybody in August

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Speaker 1: come to come to a Philly and you had just

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Speaker 1: signed with us, and I probably had some preconceived notions

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Speaker 1: of you too, honest. Let's be honest. Talking about first

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Speaker 1: the first night I roll in and I was probably

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Speaker 1: We went to the sushi place in Philly and I

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Speaker 1: was like, Yo, Matt is the coolest dude I've ever met. Like,

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Speaker 1: I was like, right away, I do. I knew. I

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Speaker 1: There you go. Well, let's jump right into it. You

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Speaker 1: got a chance to experience the NBA bubble. Um. I

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Speaker 1: liked the safe environment they built. I like that you

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Speaker 1: guys continued to keep the social justice message going and

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know other things that apply to that.

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Speaker 1: But talk to me about that. Because you were someone

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Speaker 1: you know who obviously were stuck in the bubble for

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Speaker 1: how did all that kind of mix with going and

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Speaker 1: playing and being away from your family. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: being away from the family was the hardest part. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not it's not really normal to be

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Speaker 1: really hard. But if you look, I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: we've had high level basketball, We've gotten all the way

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Speaker 1: to the finals. There's been no COVID outbreak, not one whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had we had some COVID positives on arrival.

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Speaker 1: Since then, we've had zero knock on wood. Um. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the players have shown that we

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Speaker 1: our league and what we've been able to do over

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Speaker 1: the last few months. The conversation that was going on,

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Speaker 1: There were definitely a few media members on the phone too.

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Speaker 1: what is taking over the news cycle? You know, nobody's

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Speaker 1: talking about NBA players if we're not playing. That's not

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Speaker 1: how it works. That's not how it works at all.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna talk about Trump being an idiot

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Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, the messaging early on was great.

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Speaker 1: Like those are real things. Those are things beyond just

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Speaker 1: that's what I talk about. Two When I tell people voting,

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Speaker 1: it's just not on the federal level, because just as

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Speaker 1: a two to three minute process to answer any questions

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Speaker 1: the easiest thing. My my wife hadn't been registered since

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Speaker 1: I did it the other day. It took two minutes. Like, please,

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Speaker 1: just go vote Save America dot com slash register it's

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Speaker 1: the easiest thing, and we'll definitely put that up to

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Speaker 1: we appreciate that. With the NBA Playoffs being what they were, UM,

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Speaker 1: very entertaining, very exciting, We're to the finals. Now. You

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Speaker 1: got a chance to play with Jimmy. UM. Talk to

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Speaker 1: so I love playing with Jimmy. He's an interesting personality,

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Speaker 1: and I think oftentimes with Jimmy it can rub certain

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Speaker 1: I play with CP, and and they're different personalities. But

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Speaker 1: love playing with Jimmy. UM. You know, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: It's it's been it's been awesome to watch. I give

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Speaker 1: an interesting the way you put that too. Because Jack

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Speaker 1: he'd say some crazy ship and I'd see him say

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Speaker 1: some amazing things, and all I've know that he played

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Speaker 1: That goes back to Houston? Yeah, you know, meet me

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Speaker 1: what me and Jimmy had it had it had it?

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Speaker 1: Uh what's said? We had similar We both loved the game.

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Speaker 1: We both played with a lot of passion, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I see a lot of myself and Jimmy. Jimmy just

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Speaker 1: But you know, the way we proached the game was

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Speaker 1: two topics. I know Matt wants to hear some stories.

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Speaker 1: So the n C n C double, the Duke QUNC

429
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Speaker 1: rivalry was was was crazy. There was not nothing else

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Speaker 1: like it. And you know, growing up a Duke fan,

431
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: you have such an appreciation for that rivalry. And my

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Speaker 1: first time playing and it was a Duke game at

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Speaker 1: home against UNC my freshman year and the crowd was

434
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Speaker 1: just different. The buzz, the energy was just different. And

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Speaker 1: you know, looking back, it feels like a Game seven

436
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Speaker 1: of a playoff game, and that's what a Duke UNC

437
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Speaker 1: game feels like. My sophomore year, we're playing, We're we're winning,

438
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Speaker 1: We're gonna win the a CC regular season where the

439
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Speaker 1: number one team in the country US in Yukon, we're

440
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Speaker 1: basically number one or number two the whole season. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna win the a C C. And it's the

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Speaker 1: night before the Duke qu n C game and it's

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Speaker 1: game days there, so they got like the whole set

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Speaker 1: up out in villets out there. Oh it's popping. So

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Speaker 1: I've been my I'm in my dorm room on West

446
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Speaker 1: Campus and I have a few friends over. We we

447
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: have a few beers or whatever, and so we get

448
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: the idea that we should go down to ski Ville

449
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Speaker 1: because that's where the party is tonight. It was a

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Speaker 1: Friday night, it was a Saturday night game. So we

451
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Speaker 1: go down the air and like I ended up playing

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Speaker 1: beer pong with you and C fans, my roommates running

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Speaker 1: through ski Ville screaming at people, waking them up, making

454
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Speaker 1: them take shots of Captain Morgan's This is pre cell

455
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: phones with cameras, you know, this is pre social media,

456
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Speaker 1: like wet like looking back, like I have got kicked

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Speaker 1: off the team. I would have been a rap. It

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Speaker 1: would have been a rap. How did you play in

459
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Speaker 1: that game though? How did you play in that game

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Speaker 1: that night next night. Not great in the first half,

461
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Speaker 1: not great in the first half, but I had a

462
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Speaker 1: good second half. I ended up with fifteen points, uh

463
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Speaker 1: and and made the made the made the game winning

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Speaker 1: defensive play, believe it or not, shot mccannson the dove

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Speaker 1: on a loose ball, got fouled, and and hit the

466
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Speaker 1: game clinching free throws. Before we transition to the NBA,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on something because you faced it,

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Speaker 1: you know, starting in college. And that's just the heckling

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Speaker 1: you received, um and I'm sure some of it. You

470
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Speaker 1: heard white boy this, white boy that, and I know

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Speaker 1: you heard in a lot in the n b A.

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Speaker 1: And you were someone when I talked about when this

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Speaker 1: Montrez Herald and Luca thing came up, when he said

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Speaker 1: something about bitch ass white boy. And I was one

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Speaker 1: to say that that's very commonly said. It's said a lot.

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Speaker 1: You've probably been called worse. What was your thought when

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Speaker 1: um that happened, Because I I know you're someone that

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Speaker 1: took a lot of it, you know what I mean.

479
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: And you we used to mess around with you in

480
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Speaker 1: the locker room, and you know, say you had black

481
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Speaker 1: in you and all kinds of different things. So I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to get a perspective, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: your perspective on that, because there were so many different

484
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Speaker 1: takes and obviously we're in a heightened sense of awareness

485
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Speaker 1: of what's going on in the culture, in the country

486
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Speaker 1: or now. But what was your take on that JJ

487
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: wanted that ship, he wanted this ship. Yeah, I told you,

488
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Speaker 1: JJ's got black. No. Look, when you play high level

489
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Speaker 1: basketball and you go back to a AU when I

490
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Speaker 1: was twelve years old, I'm a white guy playing a

491
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Speaker 1: black guys sport, Like, that's just the best reality. There's

492
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Speaker 1: nothing like, there's nothing racist about that. The majority of

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Speaker 1: great players in the NBA are black, Okay, majority of

494
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Speaker 1: great players, and you were black. I was one of

495
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Speaker 1: the few white dudes on my AU teams being called

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Speaker 1: a bitch as white boys something that I've heard since

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Speaker 1: I was like twelve or thirteen. I laughed when Montress said,

498
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, you know, and I thought

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Speaker 1: it was hilarious. But also get we are in a time,

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Speaker 1: it's a different time at a time right now where

501
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Speaker 1: everything is exposed and you know, every little thing that's

502
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Speaker 1: said is just so raw, and the emotions are so high,

503
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Speaker 1: so you know, you take out the timing and I

504
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Speaker 1: don't think it's that big of a deal. But I understand.

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Speaker 1: I understood the reaction to it, whether it was talking

506
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Speaker 1: heads or people on social media making a big deal

507
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Speaker 1: of it. I understand. But like, I just don't think

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Speaker 1: there's reverse racism. I just don't think that exists. Um,

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Speaker 1: you can't say there's reverse racism towards white people, like

510
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Speaker 1: white people in this country have controlled and dominated this

511
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Speaker 1: country for four hundred years. There's no like, there's no

512
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Speaker 1: reverse rate. It doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. So I

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Speaker 1: I just I would say it's just normal on a

514
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Speaker 1: basketball court, like to tell somebody a white you know,

515
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Speaker 1: stupid white boy or bitch ass white boy or punkast

516
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Speaker 1: white boy, Like it's just normal. I've heard someone call

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Speaker 1: you a bitch ass niggas, So I was one. Like

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Speaker 1: I wondered, like if that's what he would have heard it.

519
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Speaker 1: I wondered if if that's what Montrez would have said,

520
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Speaker 1: what people have tripped out if he said that to

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Speaker 1: Luca instead of calling him a bit chass white Because

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Speaker 1: like I said, I used JJ in this example when

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Speaker 1: I was art because I didn't heard j J called everything.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? In JJ sru that off,

525
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Speaker 1: whether bot or not, I never knew it. He shrugged

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Speaker 1: it off. We always had jokes, you know, running jokes

527
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Speaker 1: that j J had black and all this kind of stuff.

528
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Speaker 1: So I I was interesting for me. I knew when

529
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Speaker 1: we finally got his hands to have a conversation about it.

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Speaker 1: I wanted your perspective because as I thought, just like

531
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Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that big of a deal.

532
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Speaker 1: But obviously that the time and everything is about timing,

533
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Speaker 1: I think, and you guys have dealt with this too

534
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: in your life, like words definitely have power. Um, I

535
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Speaker 1: would say, as athletes, we we live in a high

536
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Speaker 1: pressure environment constantly, Like we we we deal with performance

537
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: anxiety constantly, We deal with ridicule and critique constantly, and

538
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Speaker 1: so we're constantly barraged with words. And you do you

539
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Speaker 1: do grow like a like an insensitivity in some ways

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Speaker 1: to the words that are being said to you. And

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Speaker 1: so the Duke experience for me, like you can't say

542
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: you could someone has said something to me or one

543
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Speaker 1: of my family members. You can't say anything else. There's

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Speaker 1: no other words you can use to talk to me. Um.

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Speaker 1: Now when you talk about specifically the N word, right,

546
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: and the use of that. That's where it's like, well,

547
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Speaker 1: it's all kind of off limits to white people. Let's

548
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,239
Speaker 1: let's be honest, like that's not a word that ever

549
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: should come out of any white person's mouth. You know.

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00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: That's that's not a that's not a word in an

551
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Speaker 1: end of vocabulary, you know. So that's where it's like,

552
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: there's certain words that carry more weight, and that's that's

553
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Speaker 1: one of those words. Hey, but I have to say

554
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Speaker 1: this though, and me being a real one where I

555
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: grew up in some of the places I hang around,

556
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: it's some white people that grew up and have the

557
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: same struggles, grow up with the same problems that black

558
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Speaker 1: people grow up in where they become family. And I've

559
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Speaker 1: heard some white people address black people like that because

560
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: they're comfortable like that and the same they've they've they've

561
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Speaker 1: been doing the same struggles growing up, you know what

562
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. And some of those black people rely on

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Speaker 1: some white people that they grew up with more than

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Speaker 1: they can rely on their whole family. So I've heard

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Speaker 1: some white people say, what's something my nigga to people

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Speaker 1: that they are related to. You know what I'm saying,

567
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: but you have to come from these areas to understand

568
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: that without thinking it's some racist ship. I think, to me,

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Speaker 1: that's a case by case, situation by situation um experience,

570
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: because you know, in some of the ways, I've heard

571
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Speaker 1: white people say it didn't get a past and be

572
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: okay with it. But you know, overall, I definitely agree

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Speaker 1: with you, j J. It's not something that you know

574
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: should be in a white person's vocabulary. But you and I.

575
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Speaker 1: We had a teammate with the Clippers who used to

576
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Speaker 1: try to get me to say it to him, like nah, man,

577
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: like nah that ship nah because like yo, like we're brothers. Yeah, okay,

578
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: me and you were cool, But I say that I

579
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Speaker 1: say that to you around the wrong person that that

580
00:28:51,240 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: word carries. J A. DeAndre was trying to set him up.

581
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised who that was either, j J. Eleventh

582
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: pick in the draft in two thousand and six, someone

583
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: who was a college star comes into the league, scrapping

584
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: and fighting for every minute possible. You're three. You guys

585
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: run into Lebron. Uh. You guys knock out the Celtics

586
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: minus KG, knock out the reigning m v P Lebron

587
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: James and faced Kobe and the Lakers in the finals.

588
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: What was that like being on that stage and only

589
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: your third year removed from college, Man, some of the

590
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: some of the best memories of my career, to be

591
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Speaker 1: honest with you. And and that playoff run was really

592
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: the turning point in my career because I came out

593
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: of college with a lot of confidence and I got

594
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: punched in the mouth my first two years. I really

595
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: got punched in the mouth, and to the point where,

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Speaker 1: you know, that summer between my second and third year,

597
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Speaker 1: I had to read like reshape my body. I had

598
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: to I had to basically redo my my sophomore to

599
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: junior year back at Duke all over again. And at

600
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: that point, it was about survival and it was about

601
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: sticking in the league. And I remember having conversations with

602
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Speaker 1: my agent that summer like what would what would be

603
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: options in Europe? Like how does how to work in Russia?

604
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: A three year um So that playoff run, you know,

605
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 1: I was finally like a rotation player, but there were

606
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: still some nights where I got those d NP coaches decisions,

607
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, And that playoff run, Corny League broke his

608
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Speaker 1: face in game five against Philly in the first round.

609
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Speaker 1: So I started Game six, which was a closeout game

610
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Speaker 1: in Philly on the road, and I hit five threes,

611
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: played really well. Then I started the whole Boston series.

612
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: I guarded Ray Allen the whole series and then got

613
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Speaker 1: to you know, we beat Cleveland, I got to play

614
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: against Kobe in the finals. So you know that that

615
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: to me gave me all the confidence like I belonged

616
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: to the NBA um. You know. I remember distinctly like

617
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: feeling in the Boston series like okay, like this is it,

618
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: Like this is what I've been after for three years.

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Speaker 1: You know, We're we're in Boston and KG was hurt

620
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: and he's fucking screaming at me the whole game, you know,

621
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Speaker 1: just obscenities from the bench, and I'm like, this is

622
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: what I want. This is what I want, you know,

623
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: all the way over there on the other bench, you know,

624
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: and a suit like I was for most of my

625
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: first two years. So that playoff run was was like

626
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: changing for me. And truthfully, like we all have Kobe stories,

627
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: and I have I have a couple, like more personal ones,

628
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: but but I'm like eighty hopefully I'm still alive. But

629
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: when I'm like eighty, I'm gonna tell my grandkids, like

630
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: I guarded Kobe Bryant in the SPA Finals, and yes

631
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: he got the best of me, but I had some stops.

632
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: I had some stops. Checking are now are you counting

633
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: stuffs when you when when he passed the ball or

634
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: you actually stopped him? Come on, man, come on man,

635
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: don't do that. So the following year, you guys, you

636
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: guys battle l A, fall short to l A. The

637
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: next season, myself and Vince come, we have a you know,

638
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: a great season. You play all eighty two games. You know,

639
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: you were one of our consistent guys night and night out.

640
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: I've always kind of had a feeling of what happened

641
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: because you remember, if you remember J j As when

642
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: we beat this ship out of Jack in Charlotte. We

643
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: swept him and beat him, but like thirty a game,

644
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: and although Jack had a couple of games where you

645
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: got some points, we just beat the ship out of

646
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: his team, beat the breaks off and then we destroyed

647
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: Atlanta and then correct me if I'm wrong it didn't.

648
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: We go into the West Eastern Conference finals and stand

649
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: was on some ship like that. You know this is

650
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: a very you know, veteran driven team. We're gonna have

651
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: to switch a little bit of the offense something completely

652
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: fucking give our offensive facelift, or am I was I

653
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: just smoking too much weed back then? I think you've

654
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: always been spoken too much weed. Um. First of all,

655
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Game four of the Charlotte series, we're up three. Oh,

656
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: keep in mind, and it's like the second quarter and

657
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: Jack makes it three and he's like, I'm still here.

658
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm still fucking here, going back down the court. I'm like, man,

659
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: you asked about to get swept. Man, shut up, Jack,

660
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: Come on, man, you guys had no change anyway. He's right, right,

661
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: I thought, Matt. I thought two ten truthfully was the

662
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: best team that that was the best team I played

663
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: on the NBA. Even though we made the finals of No. Nine,

664
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: Our two thousand and ten team was the best team

665
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: I played on most games up one in the NBA.

666
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: We had a stretch where we were thirty three and

667
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: eight to end this season, and then we went eight

668
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: know in the playoffs. So we're going to that Boston

669
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: series on at eight run beating the ship out of people.

670
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: And I think, as often times happened with really really

671
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: smart coaches and really detail oriented coaches is that they

672
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: can get ahead of themselves. So they it was almost

673
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: like stand adjusted before they had to because then we

674
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: we beat them. We were in the season series. We

675
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: beat them three one, right if I'm not mistaken, and

676
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: so they you know, it was you know, TIBs was

677
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. It was all that strong side stuff,

678
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: guy at the nail week side, pulling all the way

679
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: over and Stan just felt like it wasn't in our

680
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: best interest to run like a steady diet of of

681
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: high picking rolls. So it was what we wanted, like motion,

682
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: but it was just more like side to side stuff

683
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: and looking back like that's how everybody plays now. But

684
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: it was like an adjustment on the fly we had

685
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: to make, and it just, you know it, I don't

686
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: necessarily think that it it fit all of our personnel,

687
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Like for me, it was great

688
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, I don't want to get

689
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: in a wrestling match with Tony Allen, you know, in

690
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: a half court setting, but if you get me on

691
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: the move and the balls movement, okay, now I can

692
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: attack a club and make a play. So it was

693
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: a great series for me. But I think for a

694
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: lot of our guys, they we hadn't played that way

695
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: the whole year. So we get down three. Oh, we

696
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: win a couple of games and then were losing game six,

697
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: and you know, Matt, I mean, I know you ended

698
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: up winning one in uh in Golden State, but it's like,

699
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I didn't realize that was gonna

700
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: be my like, you know, ten years later, that was

701
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: my last chance, you know, the last real chance that

702
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: I've had. You know, I'm under the assumption, like I know,

703
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: we'll be back next year. We had I think we

704
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: had the best team in the league this year. We'll

705
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: be back next year. And then Lebron and Chris Bosh

706
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: and d Way go to Miami and and then as

707
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: they're transitioning out, so the Warriors come along. And so

708
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: it's like those two years in Orlando where we had

709
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: a legit chance to win, like that was our window.

710
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: Close that window it closed fast, closed, really fast. You

711
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: know that that I always say that was one of

712
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: the most talented teams. We had a legit ten guys

713
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: that were ready to go to battle the war anytime

714
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: we were too deep at every position. Stan was one

715
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: of the best X and those coaches I ever had.

716
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: But I always felt like, and I remember when Shack

717
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: would say he would panic and get nervous, and I

718
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: think you put it more elegantly, obviously, I think he

719
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: overthought the situation we were adjusting before we even got

720
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: into the situation, you know. I mean, we had success

721
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: against him in the regular season, and we overthought our situation.

722
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, you know the word would say though

723
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: like st stand like there's no there's no perfect coach.

724
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: I think Stan probably had a bigger impact on my

725
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: career than any coach I played for Doc as well,

726
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: because Doc was the first coach who who let me be,

727
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, who looked at me as a starter and

728
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: gave me more of a role in an offense. Um.

729
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: But but staying, you know, probably the best coach that

730
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: I played for in the NBA, you know, And and

731
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: and I hate that I hate that Shaq had to

732
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: say that about him or you know that we have

733
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: to sit here and talk about this, because I always did.

734
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: I always felt like in a playoff series, I felt

735
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: like Stan was gonna get us a win, like he

736
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: was going for smart, he was gonna make an adjustment

737
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: or come up with a game playing in game three,

738
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: year game four, or even steal one in game one,

739
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna do this and they're not expecting it.

740
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: Um And and it worked a lot of time, and

741
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: and he he would always get us a game just

742
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,479
Speaker 1: because you know, he was so prepared and he worked

743
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: so hard. He took such responsibility on what he could control,

744
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: and and he was great for that. His attention to detail,

745
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: I've second to none as far as coaches. He was

746
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: the Only thing I didn't like about Staying was our

747
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: fucking tape tape shoot arounds with kneepads. I'm like, damn Staying,

748
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: we can't cruise like we had real Like, bro, we

749
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: were taped with kneepad didn't shoot around. It was unbelievable.

750
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: What was Matt like as a teammate. I mean, Matt's

751
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: just the same guy I'm talking to right now. You know,

752
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: this is what I was talking earlier about your reputation.

753
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: Like when people ask me, like, who are the best

754
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: teammates you've had in your career, I'm like, Matt Barnes

755
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: is definitely one of them. He was a great teammate.

756
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: I think you know, I saw this in Orlando but

757
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: it was a different group when I got to l A,

758
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: the way that him and DJ brought everybody together, Like

759
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: if you were the fifteenth guy on that team, you

760
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: felt like you were part of that team. It did

761
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: there there was no there was no like status on

762
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: the team plane or status in the locker room. Like

763
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: they just had an amazing way of making every guy

764
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: on that team, uh feel feel special. And that was

765
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean that that was best rare man that that

766
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen a ton in the NBA. And truthfully,

767
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: like that was a lesson that I learned, and I've

768
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: taken that with me now as I've gotten older, and

769
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, then the mentor thing like it's important to

770
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: just involve everybody because you know, we get so caught

771
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: up throughout a season, like about what's going on with me,

772
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: what's going on with me, I'm playing well, I'm playing bad, whatever,

773
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: And you gotta keep in mind, like there's there's three

774
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: or four guys every night that leave that arena pissed, Yeah,

775
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: pissed because they didn't play or they were they were

776
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: in a suit or um, you know, they got their

777
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: run in the first half, but didn't get their run

778
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: in the second half, and so you know, doing the

779
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: checking with those guys man is important, and I think

780
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: DJ and Matt were always were always great about that.

781
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: We've seen the how important Dwight Howard has been um along,

782
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: you know, throughout these playoffs for the Lake. I think

783
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: for the whole season. I said at the beginning of

784
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: the season when the Lakers signed to White, I think

785
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: this was his make or break season. He could be

786
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: done after this season if he didn't come with the

787
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: right mindset. But I thought if he came with the

788
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: right mindset, he'd be a huge asset for the Lakers.

789
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: And he's Kim with the right mindset. What if you've

790
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: seen from Dwight now? And can you just remind people,

791
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: because how fast they forget how fucking amazing Dwight Hard

792
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: was when you played with him in Orlando. First ballot

793
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, Yes, no questions. Should have should have

794
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: won the m v P in two thousand eleven, of

795
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: the year after you left Matt, But he should have

796
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: won the year Derek Rose won it. Great story and

797
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: they were the number one seed. Great story, but Dwight

798
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: was the most valuable person in basketball the year he

799
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: should have won m VP. What I've seen this year

800
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: is just embracing a role that so many people wanted

801
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: him to embrace for the last four or five years,

802
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: and I think it's really hard. We all had good

803
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: offensive seasons, you know, the three of us, But when

804
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: you're a superstar and you're used to the ball going

805
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: through you, I think it's really hard to make that

806
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: adjustment to being a role player. It's just it's unnatural.

807
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: And most of us had to deal with that at

808
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: an earlier age, right either in college or earlier in

809
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: our NBA career, and it became about fitting in and

810
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: maximizing a role and carving out a niche for yourself

811
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: in the league. But when you start out as the

812
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: number one guy and then ten twelve years later they're like,

813
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: we need you to dial it back a little bit,

814
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: that's hard to do. And so you you've seen it

815
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: this year. He's just completely embraced, like I'm gonna defend

816
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: my ass off, I'm gonna grab every single rebound, I'm

817
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: gonna set lacious screens. How strong and strong it would

818
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: be a great teammate. He's been a great How strong

819
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: is he? People don't understand. That's probably the strongest dude

820
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: I ran across in my career. Unlike a switch Matt,

821
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: It's it's impossible to box him out. Yeah, it's impossible.

822
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: And he literally will toss people aside like a ragdoll. Intridiculous.

823
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: I remember one time Quick in Toronto, I think me

824
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: Vince Jamir and was shot. He was shooting ball from

825
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: half court like it was nothing on it. He was

826
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: sitting down and we all he was just doing something.

827
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: We tried to jump and when I tell you, he

828
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: threw all of us off like I throw the twins

829
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: in Ashton off me. I was like, you know, this

830
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: is crazy. This dude school to He's been built like Superman.

831
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: Strong Jack had a family emergency he had to tend

832
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: to j J. It's me and you for the rest

833
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: of the way. Um let's pick off where we left off.

834
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read some stuff to you, just kind of

835
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: about your career up to going from Milwaukee to the Clippers.

836
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: So two thousand nine NBA Finals lost to the Lakers.

837
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: Two thousand ten loose to Boston in the Eastern Finals

838
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: first round. Two thousand eleven, who had lost to Atlanta

839
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: second round, excuse me. Two thousand twelve loose to Indiana thirteen,

840
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: Orlando goes into a rebuilding mode. You get traded to Milwaukee.

841
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: What was it like for the first time in your

842
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: career being traded? It was an eye opening experience. I

843
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: think every player when they get drafted, they think they're

844
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: going to be in one place their whole career, but

845
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: that that works out for like less than one percent

846
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: of all players. There's the rare Nick Collison or Udonis

847
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: has them of the world, but for the most part,

848
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: even superstars move on. Lebron's played for you know, basically

849
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: four four teams, so it's like it's really it was unrealistic.

850
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: So I look back and I'm like, man, I was

851
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: there seven years. That's a long time to be in

852
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: one place. It's run. And when that rebuild first happened,

853
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: like I was, it was hard for me because you know,

854
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: I was so used to winning and so used to

855
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: a certain way that that Stan had done things. And

856
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: with the young coach, with jacque Von who by the way,

857
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: let me play like it was the greatest thing that

858
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: happened to me. Looking back, and and and a young

859
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: team were you know, we weren't going anywhere. And but

860
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: I had said to Rob Hennigan. I had said, like, look,

861
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm happy. I'm comfortable in Orlando. My wife's happy in Orlando.

862
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: She you know, she grew up in Florida, her family

863
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: lives here. So like, I'm cool being being you know,

864
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: resigning and coming back for the rebuild. I was a

865
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: little shocked that I got traded um and I knew

866
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: that it was a possibility, but like there were multiple

867
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: times where like my agent had been like, yo, you're

868
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: good man. Deals off like this deals off, Like you're

869
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: not You're not gonna get traded um And and so

870
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, it was a situation where we're in Dallas

871
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: the day of the deadline. We're flying to Memphis, and

872
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: we pull up to the airport, to the tarmac. Everybody

873
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: starts getting off the bus and Jacques was like, hang back,

874
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: and he was like me, gustavoy on Ish Smith, Josh

875
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: mc roberts, and I think there was one other guy

876
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: that was in a separate deal. So it's like five

877
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: of us just hanging in the back. So I'm like

878
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: trying to call my agent and he's like you, I think,

879
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: I think maybe this Milwaukee thing is back on. And

880
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: then Rob Hennigan called me at like two fifty nine.

881
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: Deadline was at three pm. He called me like two nine.

882
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: It was like, hey, man, you know, I just I

883
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: just want to keep you the loop, you know, we

884
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: we've traded in Milwaukee or whatever. And I was I was, truthfully,

885
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: I was emotional, man, because you know, Jamir was up

886
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: there on the playing and and and so many people,

887
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: all the support staff, everybody I'd spent seven years with,

888
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Joe Rogowski and all these people that I'd spent seven

889
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: years with, and it was a really it was. It

890
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: was a tough day. But you know, I woke up

891
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: the next day, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna make

892
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: the most of the Milwaukee situation. I had no idea

893
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: what what I was walking into in that Milwaukee in

894
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: that Milwaukee situation, but it all ended up working out because,

895
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, because of that trade, I I got a

896
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: chance to really be a free agent, and um Doc

897
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: ended up getting traded as well to to l A.

898
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: And it was just a perfect, you know, confluence of

899
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: events that allowed me to get to you know, at

900
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: the time, just a perfect spot for me, Like it

901
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: worked out perfectly. So after leaving Milwaukee, um you had

902
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: to the Clippers. I get there a year before you.

903
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: We have a very talented bunch. Dot comes in. You

904
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: come in. You came in the same year as Doc, right, yeah, yeah,

905
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: about two weeks after him. Right, So we have it

906
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: to me. Now, this is another team that I felt

907
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: had the talent to win a championship. UM. Several reasons

908
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: why we didn't. But what was it like coming to

909
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: l A. So seven years in with Orlando, which you

910
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: felt like what could be home for the rest of

911
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: your career? Out of the blue? Go to Milwaukee, which

912
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: is tough place to go, and Nolwaukee it's not even

913
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: close to the top five worst NBA cities, don't It's

914
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: not who would you put in for let's talk about

915
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: the trip. Who would you put what cities or worst

916
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee? I'm confused because they're to me, they're up there.

917
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: I will put you on the spot like that. Anyway, Man,

918
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: you land in l A. And, like you said, Doc

919
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: was someone who empowered you as a player, like you

920
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: were one of our key pieces. UM on the offensive end,

921
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: what was it like being a part of obviously the

922
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: Clipper franchise that hadn't had much success up to that,

923
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: point in coming in establishing yourself as a go to

924
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: guy for our team. No, it was amazing. It was

925
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: It was like an amazing part of my career because

926
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: I was in my prime athletically. I was still I

927
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: was still able to move all the ways I wanted

928
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: to move, and and you know I was, I was

929
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: playing with other great players. And the thing that I

930
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: think it's overlooked about our group in l A was

931
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: just how smart everybody was. Like we we got to

932
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: the point where we didn't really even ever call plays,

933
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: like even set plays. It was all like hand signals.

934
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: And I went to y'all would bullshit with me about

935
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: different ways to call twenty one when we were called

936
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: twenty one, and we'd call it, you know whatever, we

937
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: call it Chester after Chester Author they on President. We

938
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: call it Dion our prime Time after Dion Sanders. And

939
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: then one time you all started calling it savage and

940
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: I had no idea what you were talking about, and

941
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: you were like, one savage, who the fund is twenty

942
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: one savage? But no, And it was like so like

943
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: the part about that, like the basketball was just great

944
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: and off the court, you know, I had I had

945
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: both my kids in l A. I grew up a lot.

946
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: I mean I went from like a kid to a

947
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: man in those four years, and it was it was

948
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: the best. I mean, it was the best four years

949
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: that I could have had. I looked back with that

950
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: with you know, a ton of a ton of love,

951
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: and my my regret, man, is like we should have won,

952
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: like one of those first two years, my first two

953
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: years there, like you know that your last two years there,

954
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: we should have won. We should have won, like we

955
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: we we should have won. There's no we were. I

956
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: think we were probably as good as anyone in fourteen.

957
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance we could have beat Golden

958
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: State in fifteen, you know, as good as they were,

959
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: and they were young and coming up like they were

960
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: kind of before the play. Yeah, we you know, we were.

961
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: We saw them in our rear view. But we felt

962
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: like that was our window still. We had maybe your

963
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: two or three year window. We felt before it was

964
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: Golden State's term because we knew Golden State was coming.

965
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: We had a badly battled in seven games in the

966
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: fourteen season, um, and we knew they were on our way.

967
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: In your opinion, what was it, because, like you said,

968
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: our chemistry on the court was incredible at times. Our

969
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: chemistry off the court was even better, you know, the

970
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: way we all hung out, Our wives hung out, our

971
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: kids hung out, We did stuff as teammates off the court,

972
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: like we really bonded as not only teammates but friends

973
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: and brothers. But there was something in there that we

974
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: couldn't get over that hump. In your opinion, what do

975
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: you think it was? Well, I think there's a couple

976
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: of things. And look, I've talked about this before, and

977
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: I've used the word pettiness before, petty. You know, there

978
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: was some pettiness between some of us, probably if you

979
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: look back, and I've talked to enough of the guys now,

980
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: like we've all matured even more since then, and we've

981
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: we all sort of realize what we squandered by being

982
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: immature and petty at times. Um. The other part of

983
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: that is, you know, for whatever reason, I know you've

984
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: said this before too, but the mental toughness, Um, we

985
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: just we we would lose that at times. And it

986
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: doesn't make it didn't It doesn't still make sense to

987
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: me because I think the makeup of all our guys,

988
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: like I think CPS a champion. I don't know if

989
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: CP is gonna win an NBA championship. But in my

990
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: in my mind, he's a fucking champion. He deserves a championship.

991
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: He's that caliber player, he's that caliber of competitor. He's

992
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: a champion um. And so you know, it's still looking back,

993
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: it's like it's probably those two things where like you know,

994
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: if you look at the Okay c series the first

995
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: year where we're up eleven in Game five, I okay

996
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: see and and we make some bone headed plays down

997
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: the stretch and and don't really execute, and and we

998
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: didn't bounce back from that. You know, we go back

999
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: to Game six, we're up like nineteen the second quarter,

1000
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: and and and Kevin Durant goes on a run. We

1001
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: don't bounce back from that. Like you know, the next

1002
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: year when we're when we're in that free fall with Houston,

1003
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: it was just like you could you could feel it happening,

1004
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: you know. But for us to beat but for us

1005
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: to beat the defending champs, you know, I mean, we

1006
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: knocked San Antonio in the first round, like this is

1007
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: our year. I think Clipper fans had the same feeling

1008
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: that year as they had this year, Like Okay, well, ship,

1009
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: this is this is Clipper, this is the year that

1010
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: we're going to do it, you know. And I really

1011
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: felt like that. And we get up three one against

1012
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: Houston and not really looking ahead, but we know Golden

1013
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: State is waiting on us, and those have kind of

1014
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: been like I don't want to say little brothers because

1015
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: it was never that kind of situation, but they were

1016
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: on the rise and we were kind of the last

1017
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: team to knock them out of the playoffs. So we

1018
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: get to that situation, Houston sits James and they make

1019
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: a miraculous come back, and like I said, it was

1020
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: just a dominant effect after that that game. How many

1021
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: times have you thought about the fourth quarter of that game? Um,

1022
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: and just a different different plays that have that happened,

1023
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: Josh Smith hitting three threes and Corey Burr hitting a

1024
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: couple of threes and the other thing to think about that,

1025
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: And Blake and I talked about this one time. I

1026
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: remember that Game seven. I was so tired. I think

1027
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: we underestimate how much that San Antonio series took out

1028
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: of the physical and yeah, exactly, and we didn't have

1029
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: we weren't that deep. So like you look back at

1030
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: those box scores from the Houston series, and it's like

1031
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: thirty nine minutes, forty five minutes, forty two minutes. Our

1032
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: starters were playing heavy minutes. And I just remember that

1033
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: Game seven. I don't ever get tired, and I remember

1034
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: feeling just exhausted, exhausted coming out of time outs, coming

1035
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: walking back on the floor, and Blake said the same

1036
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: thing to me, Um, But I mean, look, there's no

1037
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: guarant I mean, look it was the Eastern Conference Center

1038
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: or Western Conference. Sent means there's no guarantee we beat

1039
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: Golden State, or there's no guarantee we beat Um. I

1040
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: guess it was Cleveland in the in the finals. But

1041
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: I certainly think those first two years that I was

1042
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: in l A like those were those were squandered opportunities.

1043
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: And I think we had the personnel. I think we

1044
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: had the right coaches, um to get it done, and

1045
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: it just didn't happen. Man, it just didn't happen. Were

1046
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: you surprised to see that the Clippers decided to go

1047
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: a different direction with Doctors recently? I was. I was

1048
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: in some ways, Matt, like I would have been. Really

1049
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: as much as much as you're you're like jealous of

1050
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: your your old team's success. At times, you know, you

1051
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: leave a team and there's this period where you're like, man,

1052
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: I really don't want that team to win. You know,

1053
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want I don't want the Clippers

1054
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: to win. You know that this year for me and Philly,

1055
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: I was conflicted at times because I love I love

1056
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: Joe and Ben, and I love Tobias and I love Brett.

1057
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: But it was like, how do do I want them

1058
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: to win a championship without me? No, I'd be pissed.

1059
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: But I got to the point with l A where

1060
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, like Doc's the last person there from

1061
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: our group, and you know, I think it would have

1062
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 1: been really cool. And I know Clipper fans like Clipper

1063
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: fans need a championship, like they deserve a championship. They've

1064
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: been so much, And you know, I would have been

1065
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: really truth. I would have been really happen for Doc

1066
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: and for Steve had that happened. And you know, in

1067
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: many ways, it's it's look, it's it's a results space business.

1068
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: And you know, I thought they were going to at

1069
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: least give Doc one more year and uh and just

1070
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, play next year with with p G and

1071
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: Kauaid and again coming back. Man, it's it's tough for him.

1072
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you know. I know, I've been on

1073
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: hoopsite the last two days. I know he's got he's

1074
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: got suitors and you know, getting somewhere and one option

1075
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: is your former team. What was it like? Because I

1076
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: love Philly, I think they I think through management they've

1077
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: taken steps back, starting when they went, uh, you know,

1078
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: decided to give to Bias with all due respect, uh,

1079
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, pick to Bias over Jimmy. If that was

1080
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: the case, I don't know. Let go of you. To me,

1081
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: they had a lot of talent and surrounded you with

1082
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: some dead eye shooters and that's normally the recipe in

1083
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: the NBA to win a championship. What was it like

1084
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 1: playing with those two young stars? It was awesome because

1085
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: both of them are are so intelligent and competitive. You know,

1086
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: if you look back at how you were night tonight

1087
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: at twenty three, like they just those guys, to me,

1088
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: like bring it on a consistent basis and they're fun

1089
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: to be around. I've said this before, but the one

1090
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: consistent in Philly has been personnel in and out, Like

1091
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: they just have a ton of players that come through

1092
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: there and so I think and Joe Joe talked, Joel

1093
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: talked about this on my podcast, Like for him, he's

1094
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: played with I don't even know at this point, hundreds

1095
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: of teammates, you know how, it's just a it's a

1096
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: rotating cast. And so I think in the NBA, we

1097
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: we don't really value continuity as much as we should.

1098
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: There's no two man, you know, game like Stockton Malone

1099
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: that goes on for fifteen sixteen years, Like we just

1100
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: don't see that anymore. Um, I would love to see them.

1101
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: Those are two young guys, they're both all NBA players,

1102
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: Like I would love to see them figure out a

1103
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: way to bring in a coach that that can get

1104
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: the best out of them and to surround them with

1105
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: with great personnel. Can they win together? Can they win together?

1106
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: Do you feel like those two not bring me back? Man,

1107
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: they've sucked up? I agree, I completely agree. I agree

1108
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: one percent. And that's what people are like, Like, you're

1109
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: not a star, but you are a glue, consistent guy

1110
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: that knocks down shots, and you need that, especially with

1111
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: those type of with those two players, like you need

1112
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: someone that's going to give some spacing to the floor,

1113
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: someone that comes in and just does his job, not

1114
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: in night out. And that's why I say I blame

1115
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: a lot of that. It was that Elton Brand that

1116
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: took over as the GM, and he has been making

1117
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: these moves that have kind of been like, hold on, bro,

1118
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: you were a player. What do you Why are you

1119
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: trading away all your shooting? What are you doing? You're

1120
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: you're an inactive player. I'm an active player. So I

1121
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, I think I would just say I think

1122
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: they they probably realized they needed a little more shooting.

1123
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: The thing with me and Philly though, Like it wasn't

1124
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't just about the shooting, you know, it was

1125
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: a leadership. Have you look like that you need you

1126
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: need people in the locker room like you just need

1127
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: those guys and U and I'm I'm looking I'm friends

1128
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: Like I literally was texting with with with Ben and

1129
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: Joe the other day, so like that, there's so much

1130
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: of this is you know, we don't consider the relationship

1131
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: part of it as much as we should and we need.

1132
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate, man, And I've said this before, you know,

1133
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: and talking about our days of the Clippers, like it

1134
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: changed after you left, you know, you left after two fifteen,

1135
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: Like our team. Our team wasn't the same, the chemistry

1136
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: wasn't the same, the locker room wasn't the same. And

1137
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: I know, look, I know you were older at the time,

1138
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: and you you got you got you know, some coin

1139
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. So it's not like one thing or another.

1140
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: But it hurts to lose, like the vocal president, the leadership,

1141
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: your friend, like those things. Those things hurt in this business.

1142
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: And not enough people talk about that. Man, Like the

1143
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: makeup of a team on the court on paper, with

1144
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: this guy at this position, this guy, that's one thing.

1145
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: But the makeup of the team and how everybody you

1146
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: know coincides and works together, that's that's a whole another thing.

1147
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: And you've got to have the right personalities. Like you said,

1148
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: that's definitely not talked about enough in today's game. But

1149
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, you signed a two year deal with

1150
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: a new with an up and coming, wanted to me

1151
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: one of the most exciting teams in the game. Um,

1152
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: you get a young obviously young zion fresh out of

1153
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: college and someone who I love, the guy that one

1154
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: most improved brandon Ingram and also get uh, you know

1155
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: Alonzo Ball, what has that experience been like, now you're

1156
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: the old man in the locker room. What is it?

1157
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: What's that obviously kind of looking not necessarily looking back

1158
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: at your career, but it goes by so fast. Now

1159
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: you're the voice of reason, You're the old man with

1160
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: all the ice on you. What has it been like

1161
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: in that locker room with that team? Man, it's it's

1162
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: it's been great to be honest with you, this year,

1163
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: other than COVID and the bubble, my my actual time

1164
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: in New Orleans was was one of the least stressful,

1165
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: at least drama filled teams I've ever been on. Um,

1166
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: it's just a bunch of good dudes, man, And when

1167
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: there's when they're good dudes already at one or twenty two,

1168
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: Like I feel like if if you get the right

1169
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: vets around them, you can really have an impact on

1170
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: their career. And look, that's that's what happened to me. Like,

1171
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, I was very fortunate that I was in

1172
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: great locker rooms in Orlando and we had guys like

1173
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: key On Dueling and Richard Lewis and you like, we

1174
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: had we had Vince, like we had good We had

1175
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: good dudes. Man. So I think you think you think

1176
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: a lot about like your own legacy when you get

1177
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: towards the end of your career, and like what it means,

1178
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: and like how people are gonna remember you, And like

1179
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope I was a good teammate. I truthfully,

1180
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: like I hope Nequiel Alexander Walkers, like, yo, that's my

1181
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: guy hoping fifteen years where he's you know, he's finishing

1182
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: up his career and he's doing the same thing to

1183
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: a twenty two year old. He can say, oh, yeah,

1184
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, j J took care of me when I

1185
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: was a rookie. And and those are the things that

1186
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: you really think about when you get older. Um. And

1187
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: I would say this to like man as a visiting player.

1188
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: You know, you go to New Orleans. You you go,

1189
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: you fly in, you stay at the rich You might

1190
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: walk like a block or two to dinner. You don't

1191
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: ever get to experience what New Orleans really is. New

1192
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: Orleans is a special place, man, It's one of It's

1193
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: one of the most amazing places I've ever been in

1194
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: this country. It's so unique. The people they are just

1195
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: insanely nice and insanely great. And I think that was

1196
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: eye opening to me. It was so because I didn't

1197
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: know what to expect, because again I had experienced one

1198
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: hotel and like two restaurants and the arena for thirteen years.

1199
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: That's it. And then you, oh, man, they got they

1200
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: got a jazz hall that's opened almost every night. You

1201
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: can go see a brass band play at a random

1202
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: dive bar on Monday. You know, Marty Gros My six

1203
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: year old is like still talking about Marty Grow. That

1204
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: was in February. Knox, what was your favorite thing about

1205
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: New Orleans? Marty Gras My best day, best day of

1206
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: my life, that best day of my life. Hopefully he

1207
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: didn't get to see some girls doing wild things for beats.

1208
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: There's hold On, there's the Bourbon street party, Grow, and

1209
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: then there's the family or Marty Grow. Yeah, I don't know.

1210
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta school of me. I didn't know what.

1211
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know what you're showing. Not somewhere town is like,

1212
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's a different part of New Orleans. That

1213
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: that what we're talking about with, you know Knox, who

1214
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: was not out in the streets. Man, Come on, he

1215
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: wasn't throwing beads. Uh drew Holiday one of the most

1216
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: underrated two way players in the game. Uh, talk to

1217
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: me a little bit about him, because he's someone that

1218
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: you just don't hear much of out but he's put

1219
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: together a very solid, solid and one of the most

1220
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: respected players in the game. Drew doesn't ask for or

1221
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: enjoy adulation and attention. He's totally cool, just flying under

1222
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: the radar. He and his family are just incredible people.

1223
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: His wife, Lauren is is a phenomenal woman. Um, they're

1224
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: they're just you know, his brothers, him, his parents, like

1225
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: they're just they're just leaders. There's just great people. And

1226
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think my biggest my two biggest takeaways

1227
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: from my from my year in New Orleans was thank

1228
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: god I got to experience New Orleans and what a

1229
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: special place it was, And thank god I get to

1230
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: be friends with Drew Holiday because like, like you man,

1231
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: like he's somebody in ten years, fifteen years, whatever may be,

1232
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: like we're still gonna be friends. Manny. He is, He's

1233
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: just an incredible human. He's an incredible human, you know,

1234
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: on the court, like he does so much and he

1235
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: does so much well. And I've talked about this a

1236
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: ton on my podcast. I've talked about with the guests

1237
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: on my podcast, but seeing him guard the ball up close,

1238
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: one on one in person, there's no one that can

1239
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: do what he does. I don't know how he is

1240
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: able to just stay in front of people at the

1241
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: at the level that he can. And it doesn't matter,

1242
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: like you want to put him on Dame Lillard. Great, great,

1243
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: and like matter like we'll switch from my your kitchen.

1244
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: He'll be like, nah, don't give me help, don't get

1245
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: like he wants that action, and um, yeah, he's just

1246
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: he's just great man. And like again, like another guy

1247
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: like we talked about, you know, having the right mix

1248
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: of guys in the locker room. Like he's just a

1249
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: special dude in the locker room. And he's he's he's

1250
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: just a great teammate. What do you see? Um, god

1251
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: willing Zion stays healthy? Um, is there a is there

1252
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: a limit you can put on him? Because I don't

1253
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: think we've ever seen anything like him. No, there's not,

1254
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's all NBA All Star Hall of Fame,

1255
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: that's that's his ceiling. Like it's it's he. The thing

1256
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: with Zion is that he is naturally obviously athletic, but

1257
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: naturally skilled, and so when he learns sort of how

1258
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: to play the NBA game, and it's he's gonna adopt

1259
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: like he he doesn't naturally without even really putting the

1260
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: thought and the sort of the preparation that we all learned.

1261
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: Like I didn't do either when I was nineteens. Dude,

1262
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: this guy year five and year six, looking at right now,

1263
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: he's twenty he's twenty ten, and like you said, he's

1264
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: just playing enough raw instinct and ability and athleticism. It

1265
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: tastes a good four or five years until you understand

1266
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: the NBA game. So once he understands the NBA game,

1267
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: like I said, as long as he stays healthy. And

1268
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: I saw that this year with b I and Brandon,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh to b I in his fourth year,

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Speaker 1: Lonzo in his third year, and you could see that

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Speaker 1: development like where they're thinking the game and where they're

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01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: they're they're learning like, oh, this is where my advantages.

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01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: I can get away with this almost every night and

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01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: and let me keep going to that. And and so

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Speaker 1: that's like to me, as much as we talk about

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01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: skill development, that's where really great players, that's where the

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01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: development happens is in thinking the game. And that's what

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01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: makes one of our teammates. Chris so great, Like, that's

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Speaker 1: why he can play at the level he can at

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Speaker 1: thirty five is an undersized point guard. It's because he's

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Speaker 1: so smart and he thinks the game. Old man in

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01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: the three point podcast, Um, what has that experience been like?

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01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: Because you started that, you started doing steps in the

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01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: podcast game in two thousand fifteen, and I don't even

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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: know what a podcast was. I remember you interviewed me,

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01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: I think right after I left the Clippers, and I

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01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: just like, what what what is this? J J? It's

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Speaker 1: a podcast? And like you've kind of say, you're almost

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01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: a veteran in the game now obviously just stepping away

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01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: and starting your own platform on the way. Congratulations, Like

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01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: after a good run with The Ringer, what has that

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01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: experience been like for you? It's been awesome? Man? Um,

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01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: you know I I I started, uh, I guess like

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01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: almost five years ago, you know, with with my first

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Speaker 1: podcast with Yahoo, and did three years with The Ringer. Um.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I left on good terms with the Ringer and

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: with Bill. I was very transparent about what we were

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01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: trying to do in terms of just owning the podcast

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Speaker 1: and owning the I P and owning the platform. Um.

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01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: You know, so much of what we're trying to do

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01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: as players now is is just ownership, you know. It's

1302
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: it's about it's about owning what we do and um.

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01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: And so it's been fun, but it's been it's been

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01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: a lot of work. And we're we've been on a

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01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: two episode streak now for over two months, like where

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01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: we're doing two episodes a week, and you know, we're

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01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: doing calls on on IP stuff, on trademarks, on merch

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01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, so your hands in on all that, all

1309
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: of it. Man and Tommy, Tommy my my co host

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01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: and and my partner on this on this venture, uh

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01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: is obviously on it with me. We're hopefully getting ready

1312
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: to hire someone to help us just with logistics or whatever.

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01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: But it's fun, man, And like look, we we talk

1314
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: about like you know, being basketball players and and and

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01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: and simultaneously like being content creators. Like we're I'm doing

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01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: three hours of content a week, like I never thought

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01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: I'd be in this situation. The thing with Old Man

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01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: in the Three Are Are our new podcast. It's been amazing.

1319
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Speaker 1: It's just the guests that we've gotten and so much

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Speaker 1: of what makes a podcast great, you've got to be

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01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: a good host or whatever, but you need great guests.

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01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: And I think because I'm like, I'm not traditional media,

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01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: and this is how you you and Jack operate to

1324
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: like because y'all are not traditional media. Like Alan Iverson

1325
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: will come on your show, d Way will come on

1326
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: my show, Kevin Durant will come on my show. You know,

1327
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: left their walls down, left their guards down. We were

1328
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, we're releasing an episode tomorrow with Mellow, So

1329
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: like these are these are people that, like guys don't

1330
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: necessarily get to hear from other than the post game

1331
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: quote or the stuff that they're putting out on their own,

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01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: which is all you know, whatever. This is, This is

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: like a real conversation, like we just have just now,

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01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: and and that's I think what is the most enjoyable

1335
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 1: thing about podcasting for me is just a long form

1336
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: content you can really dive deep on stuff and uh

1337
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: and get a glimpse into into somebody's psyche, into their

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01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: inner workings. Like it's it's just fascinating to me. I

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01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: tell people, like, we've as athletes, we've been trained our

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01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: whole life to give it all physically and obviously some

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01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 1: mental comes with that. But I think my transition to

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Speaker 1: my post career, having an opportunity to work with ESPN,

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01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to work with Showtime, and my heart,

1344
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: this mental exhaustion is a fucking monster, Like I'm finished

1345
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: after you know, I have to host a few podcasts

1346
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: or I have to do a bunch of stuff on ESPN,

1347
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: and it's a whole different kind of tire than On

1348
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: top of that, I still got to chase my kids around.

1349
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,799
Speaker 1: You have to do the same thing, but it's different.

1350
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: And I have a whole new respect for this lay

1351
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: because I got to do it at the highest level

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: and physically exhaust every think I had in my body

1353
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: as a professional athlete, and now transitioning into this media space,

1354
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,839
Speaker 1: this mental were down in mental exhaustion is just different,

1355
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: and it's like it will literally put you to sleep,

1356
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: Like it's I'm there's some days I'm with you. There's

1357
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: some days I'm i'm I'm like, I'm like grasping for air.

1358
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to come up out of the dirt

1359
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: just to get a breath, and and some of that too.

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01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a parent and you're you know,

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01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: you're an active, involved day to day like I'm with

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: my kids and we're doing stuff. I'm taking them to school,

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Speaker 1: I'm picking up from school, and you're sort of managing that,

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01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: and then you're managing, you know, for me as as

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01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: as still an active player, Like you're managing that part

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Speaker 1: of playing. And then you're also there's this mental factory

1367
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 1: that happens every day where you're like, all right, you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't anticipate having to answer twenty emails every single

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01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: day NonStop for the last two months. Like I didn't

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Speaker 1: anticipate that three four conference calls a week, Like I

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01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 1: didn't anticipate that. I thought I was just gonna all right,

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Speaker 1: you know, just give me the gap, I'll do the interview.

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Speaker 1: And so that part of it actually, as exhausting as

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01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: it's been, has been super fun because you do feel

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: like becauld you enjoy it, you still enjoy it in

1376
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: your living. You're learning, you're owning it, and you're building it,

1377
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's it's a total learning process, totally.

1378
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: I've never knew some of this stuff before, and so

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01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: it's been it's been really awesome. How do you feel

1380
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: like this this side of obviously podcasting has kind of

1381
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: help you find your footing in your voice, because you

1382
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: know it's no secret you have maybe a couple of

1383
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: years left in the game until you feel like you

1384
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: want to step away, but find your voice post career.

1385
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: But then also find your voice in this social justice

1386
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,440
Speaker 1: space because you've been very adamant and spoken very eloquently

1387
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: about things that are going on in this country. There's

1388
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,879
Speaker 1: only so much that you can express in a coherent

1389
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: way on Twitter, um and so allowing are using the podcast.

1390
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: You know, even going back to two thousand sixteen, when

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01:10:56,240 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 1: I talked about uh, Colin Kaepernick, I had Williams he

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01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: wrote on who was a longtime sports columnist for The

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01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: New York Times who wrote the book The Forty Million

1394
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: Dollar Slave talking about professional athletes. Like talked about Kevin

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01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: Durant leaving the Warriors, then said there was some a

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01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 1: little bit of the visc or reaction was tinged in

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01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: in some form of anger at a black person taking

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01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: control and ownership of his career. Still stand by that today,

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01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: Like I've used this platform, I think in a good

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01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: way because I like my my podcast is not about

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: silly jokes and ship like I'm gonna I'm gonna be

1402
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: dry and sarcastic and we'll probably have a laugh or two.

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01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: But like, I want this to be something that you

1404
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: get something out of it. It provides some insight behind

1405
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: the curtain. And absolutely and when all this stuff started

1406
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: happening with whether it was COVID initially, you know, we

1407
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: were we talked a ton about COVID, We talked about

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01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: some of the mandates and and being serious about that.

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01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: Now we're on voting, you know it, so were you

1410
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: And so it gives you an opportunity to speak out

1411
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: and and and and talk in a coherent way where

1412
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: Twitter is just a bunch of people shouting at each

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01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: other and it's it's not a real platform and it's

1414
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: just an echo chamber. Um. And so you know, I

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01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,919
Speaker 1: think too, it's like when we had Cuban on the podcast,

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01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: like I asked them things that he's an independent, he

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01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: has no party affiliation, and to get his perspective on things.

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Speaker 1: It was it was great to hear. It was eye opening.

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01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: I think. I think that's the thing with the podcast

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01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: is you can constantly learn. Um. When we had Taylor

1421
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: Rooks on the podcast, she said a couple of things

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: that were like I never heard that before. Great I'm

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01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: believable in something. Uh yeah, so that's that's That's what

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01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: I think I've enjoyed the most about it is just

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01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, as as basketball players, the best basketball players

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01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 1: are are students of the game that they're constantly learning,

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01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: and so as human beings, like, why would we not

1428
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: have the same responsibility, you know, we should be lifelong

1429
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: learners and and the podcast is a great platform to

1430
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 1: do that. Absolutely, top five shooters of all time? You

1431
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,799
Speaker 1: can include yourself where you cannot include yourself Jeff Clay Ray, Reggie,

1432
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: Kyle Korver or where are you do you put yourself?

1433
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: And I don't even like talking about yourself? Where do

1434
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: you put your Are you top ten in your opinion? Yeah?

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01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you talk about efficiency and volume. I'm

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01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: top ten, Yes, I'm top ten. I like that your

1437
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: dreams starting line up with players you've played with over

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01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 1: your career. Tough. I'm gonna so all prime, like Prime,

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01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 1: Chris p Prime, Prime, everybody, Okay, so Prime, Chris Paul Prime,

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01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: Vince Carter, oh, Prime, Blake Griffin, Prime, Dwight h Yeah, yeah,

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01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: that's tough. The Dwighter Joe arguments tough. Um. Then it's

1442
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: like because Chris is so good, I'll just throw Ben

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01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: Simmons in there. Man. Honestly, I was gonna say Prime Charter,

1444
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: he do, but I'll throw Ben in there. So Ben,

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01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: Chris Prime, Vince Prime, Blake Prime, Dwight and six man,

1446
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: no doubt. J. J. Reddick. We appreciate your time, man,

1447
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: Thank you, continued success, Give my best to your family.

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01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: Good luck next season man. Looking forward to you guys

1449
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: making your your introduction to the playoffs with that young team.

1450
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: And uh, I'll catch up with you my man. Thanks guys,

1451
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right, good to see you.

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01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: All right, that's a wrap all the smoke with our

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: guest JJ Reddick. You can catch this on Showtime Basketball

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01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: YouTube and My Heart see you guys next week. This

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01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: is all a Smoke, a production of The Black Effect

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Speaker 1: and Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime