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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
Speaker 2: you Paul Wallace with US international best selling author whose
Speaker 2: books probe the world's ancestral narratives for their insight into
Speaker 2: human origins, human potential in our place in the Cosmos,
Speaker 2: and as a senior churchman. Paul ser for thirty three
Speaker 2: years as a church doctor, theological educator and archdeacon in
Speaker 2: the Anglican Church in Australia. He has published numerous titles
Speaker 2: on Christian mysticism and spirituality and is a popular speaker
Speaker 2: at conferences all around the world. His latest work is
Speaker 2: called The Eden Conspiracy, Ancient Memories of et Contact and
Speaker 2: the Bible Before God. Paul, welcome back. Have you been?
Speaker 3: Did I enjoy it on? Fantastic Thanks and it's wonderful
Speaker 3: to be with you again. Thank you.
Speaker 2: You have done it again with the Eden Conspiracy. My
Speaker 2: friend tell me a little bit about this one.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. And I should say thank you
Speaker 3: for your endorsement on the cover encouragement. It means the
Speaker 3: world to me. In the Even Conspiracy. Basically I have
Speaker 3: circled back to the Bible where I began this journey
Speaker 3: into ancient et contact, and I asked the question, what
Speaker 3: are the ancient texts about? If we can accept that
Speaker 3: there are et entities lurking in those texts that we
Speaker 3: thought were all about God, and it turns out there
Speaker 3: about pay your contact as well, what was the purpose
Speaker 3: of those texts? What was it our ancestors wanted us
Speaker 3: to know and to learn when they wrote those texts?
Speaker 3: Is it about God? Is it about aliens? Or is
Speaker 3: it about something else? And as I've probed the root
Speaker 3: meanings of keywords, I've discovered there's a really rich education
Speaker 3: being offered us by our ancestors who bequeathed the Bible
Speaker 3: to us. Lessens in emotional intelligence, social progress, lessons about
Speaker 3: Covit government and hidden hands in politics and economics. There
Speaker 3: is so much education offered us once we begin reading
Speaker 3: the text through a different lens.
Speaker 2: Paul, I've always wondered when the Bible discusses fallen angels,
Speaker 2: I've always wondered if those fallen angels might have been ets.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: Yes, I do think some of the fallen angel stories
Speaker 3: are what we would call ets, and it's a funny
Speaker 3: word angel because when people hear it, they interpret in
Speaker 3: a religious way. They think the Smiths mean a spiritual
Speaker 3: being or an emissary of God. But the word angel
Speaker 3: actually only indicates the function of the being you're looking at.
Speaker 3: It tells you that this is an entity on a
Speaker 3: mission or with a message, or sent by someone else.
Speaker 3: But the word angel doesn't actually tell you what kind
Speaker 3: of being it is. And so when you read about
Speaker 3: fallen angels in the Book of Enoch, for instance, it
Speaker 3: turns out you are looking at flesh and blood entities
Speaker 3: who could hybridize with human beings. So that's not how
Speaker 3: we usually think of angels, is it.
Speaker 2: No, not at all, And of course you've come to
Speaker 2: your conclusion about this about et contact with our ancestors.
Speaker 2: How did you come to this idea?
Speaker 3: It was really through my background in Bible translations. So
Speaker 3: I've spent fifteen years training paths in hermeneutics, which is
Speaker 3: the principles of interpreting ancient texts. And so we would
Speaker 3: learn source analysis, working out where the texts have come from.
Speaker 3: Are we reading the original form? If not, how do
Speaker 3: they differ from the original form? Analysis? What kind of
Speaker 3: literature is is it? And then always we ask the
Speaker 3: fundamental question, what do the words mean? What's the root
Speaker 3: meanings in these texts? And it was really those three
Speaker 3: questions when I applied them to a normalism the text
Speaker 3: I found there was a story just a translation away
Speaker 3: from being blindingly obvious, that was about something quite unfamiliar
Speaker 3: to me, and it was the story of Palio contact.
Speaker 2: We've heard a lot about the Brigadier General of Israel,
Speaker 2: Heiley Ashman, talk about his contact and what he has
Speaker 2: been saying.
Speaker 3: Well, he is an extraordinary figure. For twenty seven years,
Speaker 3: Brigadier General ham Ashad was Israel's chief of space security,
Speaker 3: and in Christmas twenty twenty he held a meeting in
Speaker 3: which he announced that he was publishing a book sharing
Speaker 3: with the world his knowledge on the topic of contact.
Speaker 3: Now bear in mind it was his job to know
Speaker 3: if contact was happening, and it had been his job
Speaker 3: for twenty seven years. He was a very authoritative, credible person,
Speaker 3: and at the age of eighty, he stands up in
Speaker 3: front of the press and he says, on the basis
Speaker 3: of his knowledge, we have been in contact at a
Speaker 3: covert government level for decades and decades that there is technology,
Speaker 3: technology sharing going on, that our visitors, who are many,
Speaker 3: comprise a galactic federation, and that many are here as
Speaker 3: part of their own research projects. And he didn't go
Speaker 3: into great detail as to what the research was other
Speaker 3: than the USA, Israel and other world powers were in
Speaker 3: on these arrangements. Now, it's one thing to read that
Speaker 3: in the National Inquiry from someone you've never heard of,
Speaker 3: but when it's someone with the credibility of Hayam Eshet,
Speaker 3: you take it seriously. And he was only echoing what
Speaker 3: we had heard from other credible figures around the world.
Speaker 3: And when he said it, I thought, oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: this is exactly the same as what the Bible says
Speaker 3: in its stories of the Sky Council. What it calls
Speaker 3: the Sky Council, Hamashed calls the Galactic Federation.
Speaker 2: And he has no reason to lie, Paul, does.
Speaker 3: He He's got nothing to gain from it, might say,
Speaker 3: always just trying to sell a book, But really, someone
Speaker 3: of that credibility at that age, do you really think
Speaker 3: that's the motivation. I don't think. So. He's a very
Speaker 3: credible person who's taken a great risk. The natural response
Speaker 3: of people is bafflement and ridicule. But he's willing to
Speaker 3: wear that because he feels the topic is that important.
Speaker 2: What about the possibilities too, that mankind received a leap
Speaker 2: of information to allow us to go from one point
Speaker 2: to another.
Speaker 3: Quickly, or I think this has happened many times. I mean,
Speaker 3: people talk about the technological leaps that we made after
Speaker 3: the Second World War, which was a time of intense
Speaker 3: UFO sightings, and those who join the Dots feel that's
Speaker 3: when this technological collaboration began in modern times. But I
Speaker 3: think you can go back ten thousand years ago and
Speaker 3: listen to the Babylonian story of Ohanas and the app Kalou,
Speaker 3: where you can go back sixty thousand years ago, listen
Speaker 3: to Aboriginal Australian story from the Yongu people of the
Speaker 3: Mimi spirits, and you're hearing about another intervention. In the Bible.
Speaker 3: We've got stories of Dagon and Ashera, and they were
Speaker 3: entities who were remembered for having come in the deep
Speaker 3: past and taught our ancestors out of farm which plants
Speaker 3: were good to avoid, which were good for food, which
Speaker 3: were good for medicine, which were good for unlocking our brains,
Speaker 3: higher powers and cultures all around the world have these
Speaker 3: stories of visitors from the stars coming and enabling us
Speaker 3: to make that great leap forward that turned us from
Speaker 3: living in subsistence on the planet's surface to being civilization builders.
Speaker 2: Paul Wallace with us. This book is called The Eden Conspiracy.
Speaker 2: We'll take calls next hour with Paul. Paul again. Who
Speaker 2: was Asher?
Speaker 3: Asher is a very interesting figure. She was a female
Speaker 3: entity remembered by the ancient tribes of Israel. We can
Speaker 3: find figurines of her scattered throughout ancient Judea, throughout the
Speaker 3: Levant and far beyond. She's emphatically female. The carvings emphasized
Speaker 3: the revolver, the breast, big bouffont here and she's remembered
Speaker 3: as the one who came with others, I believe, and
Speaker 3: taught our ancestors the secrets of farming, and with farming
Speaker 3: come surpluses, and with surpluses comes specialization. That's when you
Speaker 3: can begin building cities and becoming a civilization. So she
Speaker 3: was the one that the ancient tribes of Israel commemorated,
Speaker 3: and to the extent that great kings like Solomon built
Speaker 3: temples and had altars and employed priests to do services
Speaker 3: and active commemoration to honor her for her contribution to
Speaker 3: human history.
Speaker 2: Then there was Shiva Hassa miyam.
Speaker 3: Are that Sava asha Miaim is a fascinating thread in
Speaker 3: the story of the Bible. It means the sky Armies.
Speaker 3: Now a lot of traditional translations render it as the
Speaker 3: heavenly Host. But I think when you hear the words
Speaker 3: heavenly Host, you're probably thinking about Christmas carols and picturing
Speaker 3: the reading of the Sistine Chapel. But the root meaning
Speaker 3: is sky armies. And if I say that, you will
Speaker 3: begin to picture people who might actually have some equipment
Speaker 3: with them, some armaments with them. And when we read
Speaker 3: the stories of the sky Armies, yes they had armaments,
Speaker 3: they had airborne technology, and the memory of them was
Speaker 3: really central to ancient Jewish practice until the eighth century BCE,
Speaker 3: when kings and high priests started coming on the scene
Speaker 3: who wanted to airbrush all that memory out and just
Speaker 3: pair Judaism down so that it was just Monotheism, but
Speaker 3: with none of the memory of these other beings. But
Speaker 3: there were carvings of the Sayer Hasha maim throughout Judea
Speaker 3: and even in the Jerusalem Temple.
Speaker 2: The subtitle of your book is fascinating ancient memories of
Speaker 2: et contact and the Bible before God? How can we
Speaker 2: have a Bible before God?
Speaker 3: I know I'm being a bit cheeky with that subtitle,
Speaker 3: but I.
Speaker 2: Think it works. It works.
Speaker 3: It does intrigue people because we think of the Bible
Speaker 3: as being all about God, and God is certainly in
Speaker 3: the book, and I'm happy to call it God's book,
Speaker 3: but it's God's book about many things. And many of
Speaker 3: the stories that we've translated as God's stories are actually
Speaker 3: stories of pedeo contact, which ancient translators have struggled to understand,
Speaker 3: and they've turned them into God's stories. It's quite challenging
Speaker 3: because there's a word we're very familiar with, Yahweh or Jehovah,
Speaker 3: and it's the holy name for God, and that concept
Speaker 3: is there in the Bible, but that name occurs in
Speaker 3: much older stories, stories of other kinds of entity, the
Speaker 3: Ela hymn, the powerful ones or Elion, the powerful one,
Speaker 3: the most senior, or Elsha died, a powerful one, the destroyer,
Speaker 3: and these root meanings clewe us that there are stories
Speaker 3: earlier than our God's stories that have provided the core
Speaker 3: as some of these ancient biblical narratives.
Speaker 2: How far back, Paul, do you think we were visited
Speaker 2: and was it an ongoing thing.
Speaker 3: I think we've been visited many, many times. If we
Speaker 3: look at the Sumerian kings list, it's very interesting that
Speaker 3: the dates on that, measured in years and sars, take
Speaker 3: us back to just over two hundred thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: And I believe there was a visitation then. That was
Speaker 3: a kind of colonization, and our ancestors were on the
Speaker 3: planet at that time, similar in looks and build but
Speaker 3: not quite as clever, not clever enough to build a
Speaker 3: farm or build a city, but clever enough to mine
Speaker 3: for somebody else. And I think that was happening then.
Speaker 3: And then there was certainly another intervention ten thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: That's the Babylonian story of Oannas and the Appkalu and
Speaker 3: the Astrara story in the Bible. I think that's around
Speaker 3: sixty thousand years ago, the one that really began lifting
Speaker 3: us as a species, giving us the foundations of life
Speaker 3: as a civilization. But there's probably been many other interventions besides.
Speaker 2: You base a lot of your books on Eden. Tell
Speaker 2: us why.
Speaker 3: Well Eden is? If I say the word Eden, we
Speaker 3: think of that as the place of human origin. I
Speaker 3: find that the Bible and ancestral narratives all around the
Speaker 3: world are very interested in human origins. But when we
Speaker 3: go back to those stories, it turns out they're not
Speaker 3: actually stories of beginnings. There's stories of a rehabilitation of
Speaker 3: our planet after a catastrophe and a tweaking of homosapians
Speaker 3: to get us a little bit smarter. So Eden isn't
Speaker 3: what we thought it was. And that's why I keep
Speaker 3: using that name to take us back to that point
Speaker 3: that defines who are we, what are we capable of,
Speaker 3: and who comprises our wider cosmic family, And it can
Speaker 3: Eden we find the answers.
Speaker 2: Where do you think these ets came from?
Speaker 1: Paul?
Speaker 2: Was it one sect, one race, or did they come
Speaker 2: from all over the universe?
Speaker 3: I think many Haymished talks about a federation, which implies
Speaker 3: many demographics. Dmitriy Medvedev, the previous Prime Minister of Russia,
Speaker 3: wouldn't say how many et demographics we were in contact
Speaker 3: with because he said he didn't want to panic people.
Speaker 3: And when I read ancient ancestral narrative, there are a
Speaker 3: few regions of space that keep getting named. So we
Speaker 3: have the Pleiades, we have Serious, we have Orion. So
Speaker 3: that's at least three regions of space named. And from
Speaker 3: those different regions there may be different factions coming from
Speaker 3: those areas. So I think now in the modern day,
Speaker 3: I think there are a great many et demographics interested
Speaker 3: in planet Earth and projects humanity, even more perhaps than
Speaker 3: when our ancestors left us these ancient stories.
Speaker 2: Did you find references to ancient technology in the Bible?
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, And again this comes partly from going to
Speaker 3: root meanings of words. So caved, which we translate as glory,
Speaker 3: means a big heavy thing. And when you look at
Speaker 3: what the big heavy thing does in the text, you
Speaker 3: realize it launches and lands and shakes the land when
Speaker 3: it does. So we have the word tube translated as goodness,
Speaker 3: but you look at how it behaves in the text,
Speaker 3: and it's really a word that means gear or equipment.
Speaker 3: Get into the Book of Ezekiel and you've got these items,
Speaker 3: the Klempasole and the KLi Maschatao. One is a disease
Speaker 3: integrater and one is a destroyer. And they're powerful enough
Speaker 3: that six individuals can ethnically cleanse an entire district with them.
Speaker 3: You've got the urim and thummim, which are communications devices.
Speaker 3: So there are heaps of words that suggest ancient technology.
Speaker 3: And one of the most interesting things you can do
Speaker 3: when you find those words is leave them untranslated and
Speaker 3: then just what's what they do in the text, and
Speaker 3: you'll see that they are doing technological things.
Speaker 2: Paul Wallace's websites are linked up at coast tocoastam dot com.
Speaker 2: He's also got presence on YouTube that's available to you
Speaker 2: as well. Fascinating technology and how did you find How
Speaker 2: did you discover these things?
Speaker 3: Well, it was initially an ultimate frisbee injury which knocked
Speaker 3: me out of action, mede eyes off work for a while.
Speaker 2: And you're not kidding, are you.
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. So ultimate frisbee and Casey pople don't
Speaker 3: know is like a combination of frisbe and rugby football,
Speaker 3: let's say. And it can be rough. And so I
Speaker 3: injured myself while I was convalescing, and in my books
Speaker 3: I use that as a bit of a code for
Speaker 3: all the time the universe has gifted me for study,
Speaker 3: and I just followed the white rabbit of Bible translation,
Speaker 3: going to root meanings of keywords. And it was as
Speaker 3: I did that that I began noticing the moral behavior
Speaker 3: of some of these entities, and then the technological behavior
Speaker 3: of some of these items. We don't really know what
Speaker 3: they are, but we know what they do. And it's
Speaker 3: really been Bible translation that's opened it all up for me.
Speaker 2: It's a tremendous pom. It really is the work you've
Speaker 2: been doing. How many years you been at.
Speaker 3: This now, well five years producing the Eden series, So
Speaker 3: that's escaping from Eden, the Scars of Eden, Echoes of Eden,
Speaker 3: and now the Eden Conspiracy. But it had been in
Speaker 3: my mind really since the time I was eleven years old,
Speaker 3: which is when my mom and dad introduced me to
Speaker 3: Eric Vondanakan. So for decades I knew there was something
Speaker 3: there I needed to get back to and pay some
Speaker 3: attention to. And when I actually did the work, the
Speaker 3: Bible translation work, I was blown away by how much
Speaker 3: was in the Bible. And it was then I remembered
Speaker 3: that was actually Eric Vondanakin's way into the topic in
Speaker 3: the person years ago.
Speaker 2: And not a lot of it is interpretation, A lot
Speaker 2: of it is just right there under your nose.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. That's why I say it's an interesting
Speaker 3: exercise not to translate these words, so there's no argument
Speaker 3: about translation. Just look at what they do, look at
Speaker 3: what the items do, look at what the characters do,
Speaker 3: and it becomes clear very quickly when you do that
Speaker 3: that you are looking at stories of colonization and advanced technology.
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