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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with

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Speaker 2: you Paul Wallace with US international best selling author whose

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Speaker 2: books probe the world's ancestral narratives for their insight into

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Speaker 2: human origins, human potential in our place in the Cosmos,

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Speaker 2: and as a senior churchman. Paul ser for thirty three

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Speaker 2: years as a church doctor, theological educator and archdeacon in

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Speaker 2: the Anglican Church in Australia. He has published numerous titles

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Speaker 2: on Christian mysticism and spirituality and is a popular speaker

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Speaker 2: at conferences all around the world. His latest work is

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Speaker 2: called The Eden Conspiracy, Ancient Memories of et Contact and

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Speaker 2: the Bible Before God. Paul, welcome back. Have you been?

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Speaker 3: Did I enjoy it on? Fantastic Thanks and it's wonderful

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Speaker 3: to be with you again. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You have done it again with the Eden Conspiracy. My

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Speaker 2: friend tell me a little bit about this one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. And I should say thank you

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Speaker 3: for your endorsement on the cover encouragement. It means the

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Speaker 3: world to me. In the Even Conspiracy. Basically I have

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Speaker 3: circled back to the Bible where I began this journey

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Speaker 3: into ancient et contact, and I asked the question, what

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Speaker 3: are the ancient texts about? If we can accept that

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Speaker 3: there are et entities lurking in those texts that we

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Speaker 3: thought were all about God, and it turns out there

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Speaker 3: about pay your contact as well, what was the purpose

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Speaker 3: of those texts? What was it our ancestors wanted us

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Speaker 3: to know and to learn when they wrote those texts?

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Speaker 3: Is it about God? Is it about aliens? Or is

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Speaker 3: it about something else? And as I've probed the root

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Speaker 3: meanings of keywords, I've discovered there's a really rich education

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Speaker 3: being offered us by our ancestors who bequeathed the Bible

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Speaker 3: to us. Lessens in emotional intelligence, social progress, lessons about

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Speaker 3: Covit government and hidden hands in politics and economics. There

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Speaker 3: is so much education offered us once we begin reading

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Speaker 3: the text through a different lens.

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Speaker 2: Paul, I've always wondered when the Bible discusses fallen angels,

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Speaker 2: I've always wondered if those fallen angels might have been ets.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do think some of the fallen angel stories

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Speaker 3: are what we would call ets, and it's a funny

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Speaker 3: word angel because when people hear it, they interpret in

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Speaker 3: a religious way. They think the Smiths mean a spiritual

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Speaker 3: being or an emissary of God. But the word angel

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Speaker 3: actually only indicates the function of the being you're looking at.

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Speaker 3: It tells you that this is an entity on a

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Speaker 3: mission or with a message, or sent by someone else.

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Speaker 3: But the word angel doesn't actually tell you what kind

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Speaker 3: of being it is. And so when you read about

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Speaker 3: fallen angels in the Book of Enoch, for instance, it

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Speaker 3: turns out you are looking at flesh and blood entities

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Speaker 3: who could hybridize with human beings. So that's not how

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Speaker 3: we usually think of angels, is it.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all, And of course you've come to

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Speaker 2: your conclusion about this about et contact with our ancestors.

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Speaker 2: How did you come to this idea?

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Speaker 3: It was really through my background in Bible translations. So

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Speaker 3: I've spent fifteen years training paths in hermeneutics, which is

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Speaker 3: the principles of interpreting ancient texts. And so we would

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Speaker 3: learn source analysis, working out where the texts have come from.

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Speaker 3: Are we reading the original form? If not, how do

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Speaker 3: they differ from the original form? Analysis? What kind of

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Speaker 3: fundamental question, what do the words mean? What's the root

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Speaker 3: meanings in these texts? And it was really those three

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Speaker 3: from being blindingly obvious, that was about something quite unfamiliar

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Speaker 3: to me, and it was the story of Palio contact.

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Speaker 2: We've heard a lot about the Brigadier General of Israel,

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Speaker 2: Heiley Ashman, talk about his contact and what he has

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Speaker 3: Well, he is an extraordinary figure. For twenty seven years,

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Speaker 3: Brigadier General ham Ashad was Israel's chief of space security,

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Speaker 3: and in Christmas twenty twenty he held a meeting in

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Speaker 3: which he announced that he was publishing a book sharing

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Speaker 3: with the world his knowledge on the topic of contact.

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Speaker 3: Now bear in mind it was his job to know

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Speaker 3: covert government level for decades and decades that there is technology,

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Speaker 3: you take it seriously. And he was only echoing what

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Speaker 3: And when he said it, I thought, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 3: this is exactly the same as what the Bible says

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Speaker 3: in its stories of the Sky Council. What it calls

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Speaker 3: the Sky Council, Hamashed calls the Galactic Federation.

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Speaker 2: And he has no reason to lie, Paul, does.

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Speaker 3: He He's got nothing to gain from it, might say,

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Speaker 3: always just trying to sell a book, But really, someone

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Speaker 3: credible person who's taken a great risk. The natural response

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Speaker 2: What about the possibilities too, that mankind received a leap

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Speaker 2: of information to allow us to go from one point

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Speaker 3: Quickly, or I think this has happened many times. I mean,

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Speaker 3: people talk about the technological leaps that we made after

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Speaker 3: UFO sightings, and those who join the Dots feel that's

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Speaker 3: when this technological collaboration began in modern times. But I

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Speaker 3: think you can go back ten thousand years ago and

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Speaker 3: listen to the Babylonian story of Ohanas and the app Kalou,

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Speaker 3: where you can go back sixty thousand years ago, listen

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Speaker 3: to Aboriginal Australian story from the Yongu people of the

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Speaker 3: Mimi spirits, and you're hearing about another intervention. In the Bible.

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Speaker 3: We've got stories of Dagon and Ashera, and they were

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Speaker 3: entities who were remembered for having come in the deep

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Speaker 3: past and taught our ancestors out of farm which plants

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Speaker 3: were good to avoid, which were good for food, which

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Speaker 3: were good for medicine, which were good for unlocking our brains,

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Speaker 3: higher powers and cultures all around the world have these

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Speaker 3: stories of visitors from the stars coming and enabling us

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Speaker 3: to make that great leap forward that turned us from

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Speaker 3: living in subsistence on the planet's surface to being civilization builders.

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Speaker 2: Paul Wallace with us. This book is called The Eden Conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: We'll take calls next hour with Paul. Paul again. Who

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Speaker 2: was Asher?

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Speaker 3: Asher is a very interesting figure. She was a female

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Speaker 3: entity remembered by the ancient tribes of Israel. We can

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Speaker 3: find figurines of her scattered throughout ancient Judea, throughout the

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Speaker 3: Levant and far beyond. She's emphatically female. The carvings emphasized

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Speaker 3: as the one who came with others, I believe, and

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Speaker 3: taught our ancestors the secrets of farming, and with farming

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Speaker 2: Then there was Shiva Hassa miyam.

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Speaker 3: Are that Sava asha Miaim is a fascinating thread in

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Speaker 3: the story of the Bible. It means the sky Armies.

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Speaker 3: begin to picture people who might actually have some equipment

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Speaker 3: the stories of the sky Armies, yes they had armaments,

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Speaker 3: pair Judaism down so that it was just Monotheism, but

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Speaker 3: with none of the memory of these other beings. But

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Speaker 2: The subtitle of your book is fascinating ancient memories of

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Speaker 2: have a Bible before God?

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Speaker 3: I know I'm being a bit cheeky with that subtitle,

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Speaker 2: Think it works. It works.

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Speaker 3: It does intrigue people because we think of the Bible

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Speaker 3: as being all about God, and God is certainly in

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Speaker 3: but it's God's book about many things. And many of

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Speaker 3: the stories that we've translated as God's stories are actually

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Speaker 3: and they've turned them into God's stories. It's quite challenging

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Speaker 3: because there's a word we're very familiar with, Yahweh or Jehovah,

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Speaker 3: much older stories, stories of other kinds of entity, the

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Speaker 2: How far back, Paul, do you think we were visited

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Speaker 2: and was it an ongoing thing.

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Speaker 3: I think we've been visited many, many times. If we

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Speaker 3: look at the Sumerian kings list, it's very interesting that

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Speaker 3: the dates on that, measured in years and sars, take

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Speaker 3: And I believe there was a visitation then. That was

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Speaker 3: And then there was certainly another intervention ten thousand years ago.

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Speaker 3: sixty thousand years ago, the one that really began lifting

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Speaker 3: as a civilization. But there's probably been many other interventions besides.

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Speaker 2: You base a lot of your books on Eden. Tell

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Speaker 2: us why.

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Speaker 3: Well Eden is? If I say the word Eden, we

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Speaker 3: actually stories of beginnings. There's stories of a rehabilitation of

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Speaker 3: that defines who are we, what are we capable of,

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Speaker 3: and who comprises our wider cosmic family, And it can

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Speaker 3: Eden we find the answers.

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Speaker 2: Where do you think these ets came from?

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Speaker 1: Paul?

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Speaker 2: Was it one sect, one race, or did they come

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Speaker 2: from all over the universe?

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Speaker 3: I think many Haymished talks about a federation, which implies

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Speaker 3: many demographics. Dmitriy Medvedev, the previous Prime Minister of Russia,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't say how many et demographics we were in contact

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Speaker 3: And when I read ancient ancestral narrative, there are a

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Speaker 3: few regions of space that keep getting named. So we

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Speaker 3: that's at least three regions of space named. And from

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Speaker 3: I think there are a great many et demographics interested

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Speaker 3: when our ancestors left us these ancient stories.

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Speaker 2: Did you find references to ancient technology in the Bible?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, And again this comes partly from going to

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Speaker 3: root meanings of words. So caved, which we translate as glory,

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Speaker 3: what the big heavy thing does in the text, you

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Speaker 3: realize it launches and lands and shakes the land when

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Speaker 3: it does. So we have the word tube translated as goodness,

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Speaker 3: and it's really a word that means gear or equipment.

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Speaker 3: Get into the Book of Ezekiel and you've got these items,

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Speaker 3: the Klempasole and the KLi Maschatao. One is a disease

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Speaker 3: integrater and one is a destroyer. And they're powerful enough

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Speaker 3: that six individuals can ethnically cleanse an entire district with them.

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Speaker 3: You've got the urim and thummim, which are communications devices.

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Speaker 3: So there are heaps of words that suggest ancient technology.

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Speaker 3: And one of the most interesting things you can do

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Speaker 3: then just what's what they do in the text, and

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Speaker 3: you'll see that they are doing technological things.

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Speaker 2: Paul Wallace's websites are linked up at coast tocoastam dot com.

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Speaker 2: He's also got presence on YouTube that's available to you

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Speaker 2: as well. Fascinating technology and how did you find How

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Speaker 2: did you discover these things?

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Speaker 3: Well, it was initially an ultimate frisbee injury which knocked

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Speaker 3: me out of action, mede eyes off work for a while.

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Speaker 2: And you're not kidding, are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. So ultimate frisbee and Casey pople don't

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Speaker 3: let's say. And it can be rough. And so I

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Speaker 3: injured myself while I was convalescing, and in my books

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Speaker 3: and I just followed the white rabbit of Bible translation,

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Speaker 3: I did that that I began noticing the moral behavior

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Speaker 3: of some of these entities, and then the technological behavior

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Speaker 3: of some of these items. We don't really know what

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Speaker 3: they are, but we know what they do. And it's

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Speaker 3: really been Bible translation that's opened it all up for me.

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Speaker 2: It's a tremendous pom. It really is the work you've

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Speaker 2: been doing. How many years you been at.

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Speaker 3: This now, well five years producing the Eden series, So

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Speaker 3: that's escaping from Eden, the Scars of Eden, Echoes of Eden,

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Speaker 3: and now the Eden Conspiracy. But it had been in

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Speaker 3: Eric Vondanakan. So for decades I knew there was something

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Speaker 3: that was actually Eric Vondanakin's way into the topic in

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Speaker 2: And not a lot of it is interpretation, A lot

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Speaker 2: of it is just right there under your nose.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. That's why I say it's an interesting

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Speaker 3: exercise not to translate these words, so there's no argument

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Speaker 3: about translation. Just look at what they do, look at

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Speaker 3: and it becomes clear very quickly when you do that

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Speaker 3: that you are looking at stories of colonization and advanced technology.

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