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Speaker 1: Hey fam, Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, we're joined by actor and

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Speaker 2: Emmy winning producer Laverne Cox. She's here to talk about love,

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Speaker 2: beauty and her decision to rebrand. Also, why is she

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Speaker 2: saying yes to life? Her new Netflix film Uglies is

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Speaker 2: out now. It's Tuesday, September twenty fourth. I'm Danielle Robe.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Simone Boyce and this is the bright Side

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Speaker 1: from Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together

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Speaker 1: to share women's stories, laugh, learn and brighten your day.

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Speaker 3: Simone.

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Speaker 2: We're so lucky that we've experienced so many firsts in

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Speaker 2: our lifetime. I think that means it signals progress, really,

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Speaker 2: but I think that our culture talks about first a lot,

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Speaker 2: and Laverne Cox has always been a person who has

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Speaker 2: gone first. She burst into the spotlight when she starred

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Speaker 2: as Sophia Bursette in the critically acclaimed Netflix series Orange

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Speaker 2: is the New Black. That role earned her Emmy nomination,

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Speaker 2: and it made Laverne Cox the first openly transgender actress

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Speaker 2: to be nominated for an Emmy in any acting category.

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Speaker 2: Laverne also started a national conversation about trans representation when

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Speaker 2: she became the first ever openly transgender person to appear

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Speaker 2: on the covers of Time magazine and Cosmopolitan magazine.

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Speaker 1: And now Laverne is sparking a whole new dialogue around beauty,

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Speaker 1: the price of beauty, and the pressures we feel to

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Speaker 1: be perfect with her new movie Uglies, which is now

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Speaker 1: streaming on Netflix. Welcome to the bright Side, Laverne.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening.

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Speaker 4: Hire every time of day it is for you, wherever

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Speaker 4: you are.

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Speaker 1: Well, Laverne, you have a new project out on Netflix

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Speaker 1: called Uglies, and it's a story that takes place in

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Speaker 1: a dystopian world where everyone has mandatory cosmetic surgery when

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Speaker 1: they turn sixteen. Talk about triggering, I'm already triggered. Just

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Speaker 1: your trigger? Why are you triggered?

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Speaker 4: So this like what I'm most excited about now because

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Speaker 4: we started this journey like over three years ago. Is

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Speaker 4: I get to talk to people about it. So why

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Speaker 4: are you triggered? Just describing the film, because.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the first of all, the idea of mandatory

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Speaker 1: cosmetic surgery, any anything where women lose agency is automatically

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Speaker 1: very triggering to me.

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Speaker 4: But just women, though it's men, it's everyone in this society.

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Speaker 1: But go on, Yes, I can remember working in news

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Speaker 1: and legacy media and just hearing through the grapevind that, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's HD footage and if your wrinkles start

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Speaker 1: to show on camera, the talent department is going to

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Speaker 1: make you get botox. Or I can remember, you know,

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Speaker 1: interviewing for a job as a local news reporter here

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Speaker 1: in LA and it became very clear in the interview

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Speaker 1: that if I wore my natural hair on TV then

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Speaker 1: I would not get the job. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: triggering for me personally, just as a black, biracial woman

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Speaker 1: who's been in a very public facing role. What did

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Speaker 1: it bring up for you?

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Speaker 4: When I read the script, I was just I had

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Speaker 4: been manifesting a sort of sci fi futuristic project for

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Speaker 4: me as an actor. I've always loved the idea of

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Speaker 4: the future, particularly as a trans woman, like some sort

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Speaker 4: of you know, alien future dystopian something or other, because

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Speaker 4: in the future, like gender would matter less. So like,

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Speaker 4: I was just excited by that. And then when I

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Speaker 4: read the script, I just I was excited about my character.

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Speaker 4: I was excited about this world. The triggering piece for

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Speaker 4: me I didn't focus so much on because what's interesting

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Speaker 4: is that doctor Cable and ugly is My character is

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Speaker 4: the architect of this brave new world, brave scary world.

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Speaker 3: She's the architect of the whole world.

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Speaker 4: For her, it's about everyone being equal and no one

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Speaker 4: being discriminated against because of how they look. It's interesting

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Speaker 4: because there is a certain look that that characters have

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Speaker 4: post surgery and uglies after they have their surgery.

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Speaker 3: It looked like Instagram filters.

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Speaker 4: I was on Instagram in my stories like last week,

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Speaker 4: and I was playing with filters, which I don't do

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Speaker 3: I gave me a nose job.

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Speaker 4: Then I remember that, like a lot of plastic surgeons

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Speaker 4: their filter itselves for cosmetic surgery. And I can see

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Speaker 4: how people get addicted to these filters because I've done

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Speaker 4: But I haven't had any face surgery yet. You know,

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Speaker 4: haven't done anything in my face. So last night I

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Speaker 3: Like the bulbous tip of my Negro nose.

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Speaker 4: It's so important for me as purely as a black

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Speaker 4: Hollywood have had nose jobs. I mean, it's cute. I

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Speaker 4: don't think I need a nose job. But then sometimes

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Speaker 4: I'll pick myself apart, and like that has been the

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Speaker 4: journey for me as a woman, as a trans woman,

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Speaker 4: as a woman of color, to be like, Okay, there

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Speaker 4: was a period in my life when I wanted a

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Speaker 4: certain kind of perfection and then I was just like,

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Speaker 4: how do I just accept myself? You know, because I

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Speaker 4: think like when you get into this surgery thing, it

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Speaker 4: just kind of never ends. I've seen a lot of

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Speaker 4: And so What it's been beautiful for me about my

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Speaker 4: journey around just affirming my gender is that I believe

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Speaker 4: every surgery I've had has been necessary and has helped

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Speaker 4: me match inside to my outside, but it hasn't turned

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Speaker 2: When I think about your breakout role in Orange is

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Speaker 2: been acting since even before that, in the early two thousands.

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Speaker 2: How has your perception of beauty standards changed, especially once

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Speaker 3: That's a really interesting question.

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Speaker 4: So I'm fifty two years old and I moved to

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Speaker 4: like my journey from like being gender not conforming to

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Speaker 4: standards sort of being tied to white supremacy in a

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Speaker 4: way that other standards of beauty aren't. So I had

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Speaker 4: to really interrogate my own relationship to white supremacy and misogyny.

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Speaker 3: And then also this thing of being seen.

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Speaker 4: It's it's hard to talk about this stuff without bringing

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Speaker 4: up white supremacy and feminism and patriarchy for me, And

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to, like my rebrand, I'm trying to like

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Speaker 4: the world. And I think it's really hard to talk

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Speaker 3: So here I go again.

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Speaker 2: Did you have a period in time where you would

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Speaker 2: and New Black?

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Speaker 1: Were you thinking about it more?

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Speaker 4: No, there was the period when I was thinking most

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Speaker 3: The late nineties early two thousands.

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Speaker 4: It was early transition, so it was like, I think

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Speaker 4: was like obsessed with how I looked. Back then, I

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Speaker 4: did a movie, a student film, like in two thousand

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Speaker 4: the character was really unattracted. I remember having a makeup

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Speaker 4: what was so freeing about that playing that character and

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Speaker 3: On camera thinking about how I look, I'm not in

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Speaker 4: With Orange's New Black, where I've gotten to as an actor,

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Speaker 4: a lot of things happened to my character where I'm

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Speaker 4: That's pretty much always where I have to land when

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Speaker 4: I'm acting. It can't be about how I look, and

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Completely?

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Speaker 4: When I think about this film, at least, I think

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Speaker 4: it's a great way to think about like the system

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Speaker 4: and everything you're taught and like we're taught to think

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Speaker 4: and there are other ways. In this film, Tally goes

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Speaker 4: on like this great hero's journey, and I kind of

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Speaker 4: think of like Doctor Cable my characters across between, like

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Speaker 4: kind of like Luke Skywalker who goes on this journey.

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Speaker 4: Tally has just like sort of drunk all the kool

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Speaker 4: aid about like I'm supposed to have this surgery and

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Speaker 3: In Shaye is her.

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Speaker 4: Friend, and she's just like, I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 4: she's like, what are you talking about? And she questions

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Speaker 4: person who unquestionably takes in everything about that system, or

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Speaker 4: we could be the person who maybe questions that systeming

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Speaker 4: goes on this other journey of enlightenment. And I always

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Speaker 4: encourage people to question the system, to discover that there

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Speaker 4: sometimes there's other ways are a path to real freedom

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Speaker 4: and real enlightenment, and that is a beautiful thing that.

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Speaker 3: Stories can do.

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Speaker 4: A really good story puts us in the shoes of

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Speaker 4: somebody else and getting to be an artist, like my

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Speaker 4: job is to constantly step into someone else's shoes and

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Speaker 4: see their humanity. And that is so much of what

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Speaker 4: we need in the world right now. It's like more stories,

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Speaker 4: more stepping into other people's shoes to go on their

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Speaker 4: us to do that in the rest of our lives.

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Speaker 1: We need to take a quick break. But we'll be

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Speaker 1: and we're back with Laverne Cox. Laverne, We've talked a

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Speaker 1: lot about beauty standards, but I'm curious how has age

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Speaker 4: Now, I think you hit a certain age where it's

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Speaker 4: just like it is so much energy trying to fake

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Speaker 4: easier to just be yourself. And it's so much easier

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Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna start talking. I'm gonna be Laverne, you know.

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Speaker 4: I kind of just can't help it. And that is

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Speaker 4: a wonderful gift of getting older. It's just like, girl,

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Speaker 2: Is, Simon, She's in the fuck at fifties.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I am.

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Speaker 3: You know the fear.

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Speaker 4: Can I tell you what the fear of the rebranding

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Speaker 4: It is that I'm in my fuck at fifties. But

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Speaker 4: it's also like I'm in my fifties and I'm in Hollywood,

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Speaker 4: and I'm an actress, and I'm a black actress, and

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Speaker 4: I'm a transactress, and We're in this deeply anti trans moment, right.

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Speaker 4: The fear is that we're in such a deeply anti

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Speaker 3: It also affects work.

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Speaker 4: And you know, corporations are more afraid to like partner

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Speaker 4: that's so I'm like, I must rebrand, and it's just

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Speaker 1: So Laverne, you mentioned this rebrand a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so curious about the genesis of it.

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Speaker 4: The rebrand was about me looking at the world around

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Speaker 4: And in twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one or so,

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Speaker 3: Severely dried up, severely.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm just like, and I've had meetings, I've

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Speaker 4: So I call several meetings, honey, you know, several means

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Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for I could cry.

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Speaker 4: I really could cry, because there are there's a lot

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Speaker 4: just it's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay. I

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Speaker 3: On right now.

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Speaker 4: But and however, all of this is happening for a reason.

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Speaker 4: It's horrible as it all is as scary as it all,

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Speaker 4: it is all happening for a reason. So that's what

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Speaker 4: the rebranding is about. And no, that didn't come from

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Speaker 4: anyone from my team saying I need to do that.

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Speaker 4: I've always been the leader in terms of my brand.

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Speaker 4: I've always been the one kind of setting the agenda

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Speaker 4: because I'm so specific. There's never been another Laverne Cox, right,

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Speaker 4: Like if you look at my resume and the first.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, however, and you

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about that because I don't

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Speaker 4: I mean there still is. And what I've also had

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Speaker 4: with opportunities, with speaking up and speaking out, and not

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Speaker 3: So I think the point is.

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Speaker 4: Now that like our allies, we really need them now

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Speaker 4: the wonderful thing about being an actor and getting to

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Speaker 2: We have to take another short break, we'll be right

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Speaker 2: back with Laverne Cox. And we're back with Laverne Cox. Well,

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Speaker 2: in thinking about great stories, I'm curious as to the

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Speaker 4: Oh, the most fun. Oh that's a great question. Well,

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Speaker 4: So there's like my my favorite onset moment has to

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Speaker 4: We were shooting the show and we shot the day

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to take a hard left turn. I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping that love is part of the rebrand because I

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Speaker 4: Well, love is everything. It was the beginning of April

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Speaker 4: big what boundaries need to be in place for me

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Speaker 4: going forward with like can we get back together or not?

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Speaker 4: And really, right now, I'm the boundaries are pretty good,

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Speaker 4: but the integrity piece is like, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: I can stay in my integrity and stand this relationship.

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Speaker 4: But what this relationship has reminded me of is that

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Speaker 4: love is the most important thing. It's not always romantic love.

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Speaker 4: I also reminded that I have to love myself more

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Speaker 4: than I have to love him.

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Speaker 1: Right, that.

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Speaker 4: It is, but it is that's part of my integrity,

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Speaker 4: that's part of my values, right that like I have

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Speaker 4: to and I must love myself more than I love him,

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Speaker 4: And just the relationship, and that at this point in

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Speaker 4: my life I can since the pandemic. I love being alone.

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Speaker 4: I love my time alone, and I am good by myself.

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Speaker 4: Do I want? I mean, at this point, what it's

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Speaker 4: so beautiful about whatever happens with this relationship is that

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Speaker 4: at this point in my life, I've had great love.

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Speaker 3: Thinking sex and the City.

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Speaker 4: And Charlotte and Carrie, I've had great This is a great,

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Speaker 4: great love, and if it ends, I wanted to end

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Speaker 4: well so I have been able to take the good

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Speaker 4: memories from it. I've had like mind blowing sex like

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Speaker 4: I've lived, and I've had great love. I've had great sex,

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Speaker 4: I've had wonderful adventures. And if I'm done, I just

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Speaker 4: I can't even see myself going back on apps. I'm

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Speaker 4: saying yes to life though, I'm saying yes to growth,

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Speaker 4: adventures and living and that is like very very exciting

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Speaker 4: that Like I feel at fifty two invigorated and I'm

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Speaker 4: loving life and I'm loving all the possibilities that are

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Speaker 4: in front of me. And what a blessing all that

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Speaker 4: stuff is. So yeah, it's got a nice you know.

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Speaker 4: She still is cute to fifty too, honey, so she

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Speaker 4: wants to.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she does.

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Speaker 2: It's not cuter.

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Speaker 1: Laverne, thank you so much for coming on the bright side.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I hope people have been able to take away her

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Speaker 4: brightside from all that.

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Speaker 2: Real is always bright to me, amen.

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Speaker 3: Amen.

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Speaker 2: Laverne Cox is an Emmy nominated actress and Emmy winning producer.

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Speaker 2: Her new film Uglies is out on Netflix right now.

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Speaker 1: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow, we're talking professional wellness

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Speaker 1: with communications expert, entrepreneur and author Maha Abu el Nin.

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Speaker 2: The conversation using hashtag the bright Side and connect with

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Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow, Keep looking on the bright side.