WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Ms. Pat & Jordan E. Cooper Talk Writing Partnership, New Shows, Government Shutdown + More 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:08.719 Every day a week ago the Breakfast Club. Morning everybody, 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.119 it's d J n V. Just hilarious. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.280 Charlama guy, we are the Breakfast Club. We got some 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.040 special guests in the building. We have Jordan E. Cooper 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.360 and one of my favorite people in the world, Miss 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:19.360 Pat Ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.640 You're gonna lose as much as I can afford to die. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:29.280 Shot or hay Man, what I was looking good? 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:35.519 Fat Nikka yant here looking wrong? You never had to 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:41.040 pull up No two counts for me, Yo. My ship 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:49.519 is a proportionate and my neighbor do not connect. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.680 I love your he you looking like big glow with 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:55.480 I love Gloriala. 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.280 You don't want to meet her. I know everybody like 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.040 you look like Glorreala Mama. I wish like hell I 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.160 had Glorilla. I wish she was the baby I killed 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.560 and God got me back and made that motherfucker fame. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:07.759 Your daughter. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.920 That's why you should be careful about the babies you killed. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:20.880 You might kill a Lebron James. The good thing now 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:22.520 they can tell you what you have it. You know 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:23.840 you can get the arches out. They be like, this 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.440 is stupid, motherfucker gone send and make. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:30.240 The god Now. Yeah, you can now. 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.040 But back in the day, you know that I was 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.240 my kids was born on Medicaid, So you only got 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:40.080 an ultrasound when you were nine months you were not allow. Yeah, 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:41.880 they ain't give a fuck about that baby. We're gonna 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:43.640 see what you're having in nine months. Were gonna keep 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.080 giving you these fucking free pictures. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:46.759 I did not know that back in the day. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.400 Yeah, a lot of ultrasounds was not available. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.920 They was available, but it was Medicaid. So you have 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:53.680 a choice. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.160 You can get as many abortions on Medicaid or you 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:57.200 can get an archer sound. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:03.960 So abortion or ult yeah both? You Yeah, maxed out? 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:05.480 Are you reading the Buddy comedy? 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.720 Should dog? 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:11.399 Yeah? 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:15.160 She Glorilla reminds me so much of me when I 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.919 was younger. I was even fine, like not as small, 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:24.480 you know, before that old I just want you to 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.880 know that my vagina ain't always sick. I mean, my 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.600 stomach has not always set on my vagina. Once in 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.239 my life I could wear two piece and not chicken. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:36.360 Yeah, she catches. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:41.920 I'm married, I've been mad for thirty two years, so 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:42.720 he ain't complaining. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.720 So whatever. He pulled into the side and lifting. 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.000 He be seeing the skinny niggas in your comments. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.760 They do, but they're not gonna make me pay him 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:50.160 my money. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:55.200 I'm gonna be raped that with my humbun to the end. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.200 Yeah, that ship is delicious to you. 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:57.600 We Ma. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.079 I got somewhere late my tittyat on the I ain't 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.040 gotta listen to him past gags. I'm telling you, if 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:04.720 you've been married in a relationship on the time, you 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.919 do not have to sleep next to these men. Get 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.520 your own room. You get tired of nigga rubbing on 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.160 you in the middle of the night. You know, you know, 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.760 you gotta when you I don't know most women like 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:16.960 I don't go to bed sexy. 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:18.840 I just get into bed. I want them people. 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.600 I can't stand to take a bath at night because 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.560 I don't want to be depth in the morning. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:24.440 Why you don't want me? 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:24.920 Damn? 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:26.560 Why is you dawn. 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.880 In the morning? Fat and a little sweat? 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:37.400 So yeah, I'm always leaking, But. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.400 Why don't watch I do? I watch it in the morning? Fresh? 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:39.800 Yeah? 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.520 I need my stuff twenty four hours fresh. I can't help. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.440 I just don't like that ship. I don't put on 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.360 lunch and ray. I don't do it. You know, I 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.400 go to bed. If we're gonna double, you wanna fuck? 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.080 And if you don't, excuse me, you wanna have sex. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:53.640 If you don't, you know, I just go to bed. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.520 If you save money in the wintertime, though, wow, because 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.160 you keep them warm, like laying next. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.920 One boy I got. He's a blanket. Okay, I'm plus 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.120 I full size bit in my room. He have a king. 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.400 He like a hard metric. I like soft match. But 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.080 I've been mad for thirty years. I don't have on 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:13.800 a full size matches. What you say you can't, I'm not. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.240 I was crazy. You mean to say that. 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:27.760 I want to say no because I thought about it, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:28.640 but I ain't saying. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:38.000 Squeeze Okay, I was waiting, so I feel a little 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:38.960 bit more bid. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.320 God damn, I'm sorry. You got that twin body? 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:41.640 Bitch? 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:54.120 She on no twins? 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:59.760 That body crazy, Jordan. 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:04.520 How you deal with I don't Okay, No, she's a fool. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.040 Whatever we all said, she'd just be acting up. We 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:08.640 were just talking about this. I was like, there's got 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.719 to be at least seventeen hundred thoughts that come to 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.760 your brain that you gotta stop before they come out 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.800 of your mouth because you know it's gonna set a five. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:16.360 It was industry. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.200 I knew I have to watch what I say because 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.080 you know, you walk into these meetings and you'd be like, 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:21.760 you be wanting to say that, what the fuck you 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.320 wayn white man, damn? 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.560 What did you understand about Miss Pat's voice in her 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.760 story that others might have missed earlier? 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.600 I think just letting her be authentic, you know, I 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.600 always say when we created the Miss Patt Show, I 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.960 wanted to create the first sitcom that I felt like 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.600 would have that deaf jam comedy vibe. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:42.920 Where it's like you could be uncensored. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.039 Because there's so many that came before her, like the 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.039 Red Foxes and the Richard Pryors and who had a 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:49.880 show for three seconds, you know what I mean, who 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.800 couldn't be themselves. Bernie Mack couldn't really be himself on 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.640 the Bernie Max Show, but when he got on stage, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.240 he could say, I ain't scared of you, you know 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.400 what I mean. So I wanted to create a sitcom 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.760 that allowed her to just beat but she could say 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.680 whatever she wanted to say, do whatever she wanted to do, 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:04.880 and we can have a hard conversations and let her 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:06.000 say her unfiltered up. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.600 You know, Yeah, how did your kids get on an episode? 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:10.640 Like did you you wanted? 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:11.240 No? 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.320 So my kids on an episode of The Judge Show 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:17.479 which airs this week, and my somebody dropped out right, 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.960 so they these are people have real cases or whatever 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.479 fuck going on? Friends disput my kids a case dropped 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.720 out and literally I did not know they was gonna 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:26.440 walk through that door. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.479 So you didn't. I had no idea. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.520 But they did go to the strip club and my 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.240 son did spend my gay daughter money, but we never 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.240 would get it back. And they've been arguing over this 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:38.400 for a whole year. And I was like, well, why 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.680 would you give a broke nigga some money at the gate? 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.000 I mean at the strip club? And so she he 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:44.640 didn't pay her back and it became a case. And 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.360 when I heard late versus La, I said that might 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.320 be my baby daddy, I said, I'm fitna put it 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.640 to this nigga, and it walked in was my kids, damn. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:53.240 So how did you approach the case? 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.479 Did you approach it as miss pat or as dad Mama? 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.320 I approached it both ways because I can't believe I 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.400 couldn't believe they were swing each other. And I had 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.800 just got my daughter teeth fixed and she didn't pay 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:04.479 me back, but she want her brother. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:05.120 To pay her back. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.920 And I'm like, oh, y'all owe me money, nobody. I 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.800 brought him out. I paid every five hundred dollars to 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.880 get your mouth fixed and flew you to Guanamore Bank. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.000 What the hell she went to? 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:18.600 Yeah? 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.360 Okay, yeah, because they were rough but they look good. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:25.480 That wasn't it an agreement for in place? 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:26.760 Like you need to pay me back for that? 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:28.320 Oh some reason. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.160 My kids don't think they especially them first two my 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.360 medicaid kids. The don't think they're supposed to pay me back. 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.160 Your Medicaid kids, yeah, those one that gave because Medicaid. 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.760 Oh okay, you're going on Medicaid to Nigga. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:39.480 I'm sure. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.520 You've been killing me in this mother fucker way. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.000 Jordan, you're thirty years old now, right, Yeah, thirty thirty. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.080 He's Jordan the genius by the way, just like to 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.680 throw that word around, but I do the genius. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.760 You know what. It's nothing like this kid. 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.120 It was so and I've we done told this story 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.920 several times how we met, but when I first laid 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:05.160 eyes on him, I was like, this, Nigga is a 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.680 black woman, a fat black woman trapped in a gay 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.640 man body. That's the first thing I said about him. 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.160 I said, you died as a fat black woman and 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.480 came back as a gay man. Because how he gets me? Like, 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.640 I mean, immediately, we just we just connected. And I 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.720 couldn't do that with no other writer that I had. 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:24.200 Nobody would listen to me. 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.920 And it's nothing like dealing with a writer and they 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.560 writing a story about you, and that writer think that 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.040 they're funnier than you. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.960 You came out funding me, motherfucker. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.240 When I'm talking about me, I'm talking about something that 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.800 coming from my head. And when I met Jordan, I said, hey, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:39.800 I got an idea, but nobody would listen to me. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.440 He said, what was it. I said, I sat on 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.880 an airplane and talked to white people and see why 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:44.600 they so racist. 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.640 And that's all I had to say. And that was 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:47.199 the pilot. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.880 Yeah, Southwest, member of Southwest, you said anywhere, so I 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.800 would literally block the seat off, and I wanted to 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:54.559 talk to white. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.800 Men's to see why the fuck they think the way 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.960 they do. I would have racist commer safety about race, 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.040 and I told him that, and that's how the airplane. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:05.760 Setting. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:08.760 So you see that if you see the pilot what 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.000 we do is the very first episode of this past show, 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.200 it's hers. It starts off with her doing stand up 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.760 and as she's oh, thank you, and as she finishes 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.880 the set, like the airplane kind of comes in around her, 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:20.559 and then before you know what, we're dropped in the 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.360 scene and she's talking to this white woman about black 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.880 kids being shot, being a black man and stuff in 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:25.680 a really cool way. 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:26.439 Yeah, she's. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:30.600 How do you how do you make a set feel 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.960 safe for actors to laugh about the same things that 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.240 somebody like this past might have cried about in real life? 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.840 That you know, I mean, I feel like that's That's 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.160 one thing that me and Patt have always had in 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.840 common is that we find a way to laugh at 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.640 the pain. Because once you laugh at it, you have 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.480 control over So we try to make sure that in 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.320 every episode that we do, whether we're talking about raid, 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.880 molestation or porn or drugs or whatever it is, we 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.319 find a way to laugh at this thing to give 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.680 us victory over it in a way in a way 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.840 that no other show kind of does. What's crazy is 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.840 that I always tell the story. When I first saw 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.439 Miss Pat my dad had recorded her. She was on 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.440 some daytime talk show. I was in high school of Julie. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:11.880 That's what it was. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.080 And he was like, you gotta watch her. She needs 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.000 a TV show, she needs a book or something. And 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:17.959 so I watched it. And I'm in high school. I 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.040 ain't got no power, I ain't got it, you know 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:20.800 what I mean. But I fell in love with her, 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.280 and I was like, yo, she does the same thing 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.360 that I do. She like wild, tell a story about 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.640 being molested and somehow have you fall over laughing, and 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:28.920 I was like, yo, I want to work with her. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.480 So fast forward a couple of years. I'm in college. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:31.960 She writes a book about her life. I'm like, oh, 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:33.520 I'm gonna get this book so I can study it. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.480 I screenshot the book. The book is like thirty five 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.480 dollars hardcover. I'm in college, so I'm trying to save 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.599 money for my four for fours. I got holes in 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.760 my socks, you know, I'm trying to So I screenshot it, 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.720 but I'm gonna come back to it. Then I write, 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.040 Ain't no mo Leasy's Ain't no mo and he already 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.000 had a connection with miss Patt and he was like, Yo, 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.360 there's this comedian I'm met, and I think you guys 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.480 have a similar voice, Like you should connect with her 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.719 and see and see if it'll work. She came out 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.640 to see the show and she said that exact same thing. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.200 She said, Now you had like a big black woman. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:00.520 I was like, I don't know what they mean, but 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.880 thank you. And ever since then we made it work 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.040 and we we built the show, got bt what they 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:13.319 first first Emmy nominations every three Yeah, we had three nominations. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:14.760 Ain't no more? 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.560 Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.079 It was a screening. It was that what you call it? 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.720 That was like a read before we even did anything 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.200 with it. Yeah, that was like that was probably I was. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:26.679 I was probably twenty three when I happened. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.400 I was asking with you, being so young, how did 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.240 you dive into some of those those legend comics you 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:32.240 mentioned Red Fox mention? 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.360 Probably what got you into those? Being so young? 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:34.960 I was? 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.080 I was obsessed with old school TV for some reason, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.840 like and I think because I love theater, so like 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:42.920 whenever I watched those old sitcoms like Good Times and 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.559 Jefferson's and Martin it felt like just good theater with cameras, 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:48.520 Like when you have a live audience, it's not like 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.360 that bootleg like live track ship. Which is why with 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.240 the Mispaschal, I wanted to make sure we had a 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.280 live to do an audience, make sure we got real 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.560 people laughing, because if a joke ain't funny, we're gonna 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:58.960 fix it, you know what I mean. Like, we're not 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.079 just gonna make y'all for the stupid joke, you know 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.400 what I mean. And so I think learning from like 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.720 the Norman Lears and learning from like that era of 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.440 television really taught me how to write it in a 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.680 really interesting way. And then also I'm just a student 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.400 of black comedy, just like old school black comedy, like 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.440 everything for moms mainly on like, and I try to 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.560 make sure that we honor that black comedy even in 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.640 the stuff that we do. Because she's to me, like 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.680 she's carrying that baton of like those who came before. 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.320 Like I wish I could sit in the conversation with 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.400 her and Bernie Mack and just hear what the motherfucking 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:29.920 kids got. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:33.880 I can hear it. 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.000 I was waiting on everybody else. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.920 When it comes to Like, the thing I love about 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.440 Jordan's storytelling is he always sent us black life with 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.960 like no filter. Right, how do you decide what belongs 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.040 on the Broadway stage versus what belongs on like a 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:52.640 TV screen. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.040 That's a great question. I feel like I never decipher. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:57.880 Like even with my new play right now called All 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.080 Happy Days at the Public Theater. We close on Sunday. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.920 So if y'all New York come out to Old Happy Day, 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.280 it's a black ass play. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.600 Yeah, I was in night I. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.280 And y'all know Donald Lawrence, Right, Donal Lawrence, like encourage yourself. 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:15.520 The best is you have to come. He wrote the 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:16.080 music for it. 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.080 But but I always try to like write without whiteness 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.520 at the center of anything, because I feel like a 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.920 lot of times black writers who are writing for Hollywood 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.120 or who are writing for Broadway or theater, a lot 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.080 of times they assume white people are going to be 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.800 in the audience, and they assume to make them comfort exactly, 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:33.199 they want them to be comfortable and want them to 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.440 understand every joke, want them to understand. And me, I 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.160 write as if there are no white people watching them, 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.800 because I feel like writing with whiteness at the center 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:40.959 is a form of white supremacy. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:42.559 So it's like, I'm not about to put on my 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:43.080 white hood. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.720 So I try to like make sure that anytime black 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.800 people are entering a space, whether that's they're entering a 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.280 theater or just turning on the TV and watching something 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.520 that I wrote, making sure that they feel like, oh no, 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:54.160 this is for me. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:55.000 We have to conn out. 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.240 I will say this sometime it be too damn black. 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:03.240 I'm like, Joe, we gonna do that. Time to look 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.480 at little nigga. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:08.920 What was this story about? 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.320 Like the folks, tip, I said her the first drive 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.719 of the first episode of this pastial right sent her 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.959 first drive and she called me back. She said, Jordan, 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.440 we can't we can't send nigga to these white people. 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:20.240 I said, what you mean. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.800 She said, you got me saying nigga and motherfucker and ship. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.360 And I said, well, pat, that's how you talk. She said, Nigga, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:26.360 I don't mother talk like that. 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:30.280 Time literally. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:32.160 Had another playout. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.000 Yeah, I just. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.200 We just invited you to it. You didn't answer back, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.240 But that's what you did. Pam didn't call you. You didn't 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:44.120 answer the white woman back. I'm not touching you ever. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:50.560 You will come check it out. 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.440 We closed on Sunday to night out good. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.200 It is so good. It is so good. It is 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.440 about the black family. It is so good. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.440 I was in that bitch boohoo and like other than 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.640 the Berxel Club. That's why I'm in New York now 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.720 with the rats and his cold and his bitch. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.360 I hate this shit, Jordan. 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.200 With you being so young, right, did you ever get 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:12.160 any pushback? 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:12.800 Oh? 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:18.200 Yeah, literally think you are experienced enough to even. 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.800 Always from the very beginning, you know, like, and that's 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:22.400 why I'm grateful that I had a champion of her, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.640 because of course, like in my plays and my writing 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.120 my plays, I've been writing places since I was like 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.720 ten years old, so I would always experience that then. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:30.600 But then when I get to Hollywood, that's a whole 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.360 nother because a lot of the conversations are like things 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.080 like people telling me like, oh, we don't do that 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.960 on television, or that's not possible, but that won't make sense, 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.600 or you know, I've been doing this for thirty years 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.000 and you can't come in here and change this, and 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.240 and I'm like, no, no, we're doing something new. 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:43.800 That's the point. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:45.920 Were creating something new for a new audience and a 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.920 new generation, so like something specifically like I don't know 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.920 if y'all are familiar with them special, but y'all know 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.440 Nigga Poppins, the character that Tommy Davison plays. So the 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.840 whole idea was that, like, oh, we call him Nigga 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.080 Poppins because he just he really supposed to be in jail, 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.840 but he just like ran, we pop up at the 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.960 house every now and again when something needs to be fixed. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.760 So the whole thing was that was that at the 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.040 end of it to put a button on. The joke 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.120 was that he was gonna steal pats umbrella and he 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:11.480 was gonna fly off into the sky. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.440 So let me tell the rest of the toy. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.520 So Jordan wanted Nigga Popping to fly, but the person 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.360 at the time will then understand why Nigga Popping fly 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.360 and I'm not in Jordan here. So a lot of 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.560 times Jordan says, I'm the start to show he would 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.880 have to come get me so I could push stuff through. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.080 So I'm like, Jory, if this ship gonna work, you 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.040 know you give me to do this dumb ship. I'm 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.200 cussing out, Hey, it gonna work. So they didn't want 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.480 Nigga Popping to fly, so I wouldn't told look, Nigga 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.000 Popping gonna fly because he say, Nigga Popping. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.360 Need to fly, and I'm like, that ship makes sense. 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:45.920 Understand that black. 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.040 You know the way the way Nigga Popping flew out 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.680 the porch, it did look stupid, but I can't. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.080 I don't have that vision. Well he's talking about it. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.160 So I would always just say, let Nigga pop and 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.600 fly and everybody got mad, but Nigga pop and flu 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.600 and it worked and it was one of the things 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.280 that everybody remember. And it was so many times Jordan 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:07.919 coming to me and say we need to do this, 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.040