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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ryan, warmly joined as always by Scott Bogman and

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Speaker 1: Pat Fitzmorris and guys. We did players that we were

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Speaker 1: targeting in dynasty leagues through trades or in startup drafts

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Speaker 1: or any of that fun stuff last week. Today we're

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Speaker 1: doing players to avoid this again, can kind of be

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Speaker 1: seen through the prism of maybe you want to trade

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Speaker 1: them away, maybe you want to just not go after

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Speaker 1: them in a startup draft. However you want to approach it.

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Speaker 1: Players that we are generally selling, fading, avoiding all that

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Speaker 1: less than fun stuff in dynasty leagues here in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. Reminder for everybody, All of our twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros

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Speaker 1: dot com slash rankings. From there you can navigate to

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Speaker 1: our dynasty rankings as well. Fits pretty straightforward episode. Any

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Speaker 1: questions before we dive in.

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Speaker 2: I don't think, so let's get to the players we're avoiding.

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Speaker 1: Like the plague, We like the plague. We've got sort

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Speaker 1: of different categories here. Each guy has come up with

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Speaker 1: five players and rather than just kind of keep it

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Speaker 1: wide open. Each one fits a particular category. So the

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Speaker 1: first category we're looking at our veterans who could lose

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Speaker 1: value fits TWODF for us.

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Speaker 2: Here, it's a guy we've talked about before. It's Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 2: who more relevant and super flex. But I'm always just

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Speaker 2: sort of amazed by where he is in the ECR

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Speaker 2: and the Dynasty rankings on some other sites. And so

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Speaker 2: Mayfield's going into the final year of his contracts and

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Speaker 2: apparently he is or has set the start of training

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Speaker 2: camp as his own personal deadline for negotiations, like doesn't

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Speaker 2: want to talk about it once training camp starts. I

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Speaker 2: know some players going into the final years of their

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Speaker 2: deals set that they don't want it to be a distraction.

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Speaker 2: It will be interesting to see what sort of commitment,

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Speaker 2: if any of the Buccaneers are willing to make, towards

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Speaker 2: Baker after what was a pretty disappointing twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: And yes, there were plausible excuses why Baker was not

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Speaker 2: in top form last year, dealing with an injury to

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Speaker 2: his non throwing shoulder. Offensive line was hit hard by injuries,

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Speaker 2: someone pointed out on Twitter the other day, and I

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Speaker 2: can't remember who I wish it could give them credit,

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Speaker 2: but there was only one starting offensive lineman for the

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Speaker 2: Buccaneers who played more than seventy percent of the offensive snaps.

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Speaker 2: Mike Evans and Chris Godwin both missed about half the season.

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Speaker 2: Meccagbuca tweaked his hamstring in Week six, wasn' the same

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Speaker 2: for a few weeks after that, and maybe even longer

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Speaker 2: than a few weeks. So Mayfield's completion percentage was over

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Speaker 2: seventy percent, and twenty twenty four fell to sixty three

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Speaker 2: point two percent. Twenty twenty five, went from seven point

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Speaker 2: nine yards per pass attempt in twenty twenty four to

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Speaker 2: six point eight last year, went from QB three and

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Speaker 2: nineteen last season, And uh, look, Mayfield is thirty one.

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Speaker 2: Like there have been times in the past when it's

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Speaker 2: seemed as if he might not find another starting job.

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Speaker 2: Then he landed on his feet with the Buccaneers and

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Speaker 2: played really well for a lot of that time under

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Speaker 3: And I just wonder with the.

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Speaker 2: Caliber of the quarterback class we have coming in in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. If Mayfield can survive another season that's

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Speaker 2: below average. Maybe he can if he signs a new

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Speaker 2: deal and the Box are committed to him for three

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Speaker 2: more years and they feel like they're forced to go

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Speaker 2: with him into twenty twenty seven if he has a

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Speaker 2: bad twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: ECR has him ahead of guys like cam Ward, CJ. Stroud,

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, guys who are going to be starters in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven pretty much no matter what, barring some

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Speaker 2: catastrophic injury. I just can't get on board with where

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Speaker 2: we have Mayfield and where a lot of people have

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Speaker 2: Mayfield ranked for Dynasty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bagman in ECR, and you can find a fantasypros

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Speaker 1: dot com and go to the dynasty rankings in super Flex,

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Speaker 1: which is obviously where Baker is going to be relevant.

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Speaker 1: QB eighteen fifty sixth overall, So that's a fifth round pick.

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Speaker 1: If you're talking about a startup draft and looking at

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Speaker 1: those rankings and giving everything fits just laid out, I

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Speaker 1: can see why that would feel like, hey, you're like

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Speaker 1: setting the foundation of your team for the first several

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Speaker 1: like really valuable. There's gonna be very good play like

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Speaker 1: right after him, Tyler Warrant, you could get an elite

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Speaker 1: as mackay Lemon, you know, you could get a first

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Speaker 1: about Baker in that range of a startup?

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Speaker 4: I think that's too high. I have Baker at twenty

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Speaker 4: two among quarterbacks from me, and you know, in the

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Speaker 4: overall closer to seventy five. So I like Baker, and

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Speaker 4: I think the Bucks like him, but I'm kind of

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Speaker 4: with fits here, like I don't know that are they

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Speaker 4: going to give them an extension? If so, why hasn't

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Speaker 4: that been done already to save money on name in

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Speaker 4: the future And there's a lot of quarterbacks coming in

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Speaker 4: next year. I just think the future is pretty murky

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Speaker 4: with uh with Baker in Tampa Bay. So I just

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Speaker 4: don't know where he's going to end up. Don't know

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Speaker 4: how much longer his career is going to last if

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Speaker 4: he keeps running around like he does at his size

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Speaker 4: and getting hurt, So I think it might end pretty quick.

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Speaker 4: For Baker. So this is this is a great pick

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Speaker 4: by Fits. I really like this one.

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Speaker 1: What would you be willing to trade if we're not

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Speaker 1: thinking to start up, but just thinking in a trade

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Speaker 1: fits to get Baker. If you're like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm not absolutely desperate where I would just give up

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Speaker 1: the farm because I need quarterback no matter what. But

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Speaker 1: I could use a veteran quarterback. What do you think

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Speaker 1: is a fair price a second in extra's class? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's sound right to you, Bogman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's just going to be so much upside and such.

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Speaker 4: You know, obviously longer track for the rookies coming in,

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Speaker 4: So you can't give up a first, right, even a

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Speaker 4: back end first, you cannot do that. So I think

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Speaker 4: a second, if you're just desperate for a quarterback, is

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Speaker 4: probably about as high as I'd be willing to go.

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Speaker 3: Now with this year's class.

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Speaker 2: Like, had I needed a quarterback badly, I would have

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Speaker 2: been willing to give up a back end first. In

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Speaker 2: the class of twenty twenty six, I was twenty.

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Speaker 4: More willing to give it up. If you haven't drafted yet,

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Speaker 4: if you're now waiting on the Soresby stuff to sort

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Speaker 4: itself out, so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Bogman, who's your veteran that could lose value.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to go with Tony Pollard, and it's not

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Speaker 4: for this year. I actually think Tony Pollard could have

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Speaker 4: a very solid twenty twenty six. The offense should be

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Speaker 4: much better with dable running things, and they have much

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Speaker 4: better wide receiver targets. Pollard was twenty third overall and

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Speaker 4: thirtieth in points per game among running backs last season.

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Speaker 4: But the downside is he's twenty nine, He's a UFA

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty seven, and probably looking at a secondary

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Speaker 4: role moving forward after this year, unless this year is

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Speaker 4: just really really good for him. I'm not the biggest

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Speaker 4: fan of Spears or Singleton behind him, but the Titans

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Speaker 4: will probably either sign a draft a running back for

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Speaker 4: next season. So I think that this is probably the

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Speaker 4: last year you're gonna squeeze, like, you know, reasonable RB

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Speaker 4: two out of Tony Pollard unless he just has a

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Speaker 4: really big season. And I think he'll have a good season,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think it's gonna push him much beyond

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Speaker 4: a lot of touchdowns and I just don't know if

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Speaker 4: the Titans are going to get there quite yet. So

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Speaker 4: he's in a good position in terms of volume this

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Speaker 4: and I doubt that he's in the long term plan

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Speaker 4: career as like kind of what Austin Eckler is doing here,

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Speaker 4: you know, fading off in a secondary role. That's kind

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Speaker 4: of what I see for Pollard after this season.

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Speaker 1: Where's he ranks for you in redraft?

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Speaker 4: I think I have him twenty third in redraft?

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Speaker 1: Okayible I asked. I just did a show yesterday with

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Speaker 1: Deebrow and Erickson and they were very far apart. Ericson

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Speaker 1: had him like thirty fifth in redraft and Deever had

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Speaker 1: him at like twenty five. So there was a wide

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Speaker 1: he is a smart edition this year, if you're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: when now need a running back, you can get him cheaper,

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Speaker 1: and then it's like twenty twenty seven and beyond. It

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Speaker 1: kind of sounds like what you're saying is where you

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Speaker 1: would you think that kind of like fall off is coming,

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Speaker 1: which is fine. It totally fits the category. I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to kind of clarify the timing there that it's

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Speaker 1: not like sell him. I mean, you could sell him

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Speaker 1: now and kind of capitalize on expectations of when we're

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Speaker 1: good year, but in general, it's more like, hey, I

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Speaker 1: the cliff. He isn't maybe like peering over the cliff,

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Speaker 1: but it's like you can kind of see the cliff

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Speaker 4: Augusta Wynd will blow him off of it for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he I got him at twenty eight, so put me

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Speaker 4: solidly in between those guys. Then, oh, you haven't been

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Speaker 1: I think that's about where consensus is consensus. I think

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Speaker 4: So they having in a tier between twenty one and

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Speaker 4: he's right on that borderline right there. It's to take

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Speaker 4: a big like everything needs to click for him. I

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Speaker 4: feel like to be beyond the twenties running back this

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Speaker 4: year fits.

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Speaker 1: Since you have him outside your top twenty four and

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Speaker 1: he's older, I'm going to assume that you agree with

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Speaker 1: Bogman in terms of making this pick as a veteran

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Speaker 1: who could fall off soon or do you see the

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Speaker 1: falloff is kind of maybe already even here.

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Speaker 3: He could fall off soon. But it was actually last

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Speaker 2: I had him in a couple of redraft leagues because

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Speaker 2: I thought he was going affordably and I thought he

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Speaker 2: might have some runway early in the season because TYJ.

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Speaker 2: Spears was not going to be available. I think he

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Speaker 2: was on IR or POP and yeah, so it seemed

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Speaker 2: like Pollard would get off to a big start and

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Speaker 2: have workhorse type roles, and he did early on, and

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Speaker 2: didn't do much with him at all, Like was getting

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Speaker 2: you know, under sixty yards from scrimmage in all these

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Speaker 2: early games, not scoring touchdowns, and it's like, man, if

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Speaker 2: this guy's not going to score any points with an

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Speaker 2: uncontested workload, what's he going to to do when Spears

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Speaker 2: comes back and starts.

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Speaker 3: Cutting into that well.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the season, Pollard, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it was a drive for some contract bonuses that

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Speaker 2: he wound up meeting, but man, he caught fire at

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Speaker 2: the end of the year. He had three straight one

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Speaker 2: hundred yard games from week fourteen to sixteen, then had

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Speaker 2: over a thousand rushing yards after getting off to a

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Speaker 2: left in the tank. I'm not willing to write him

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think it's it's time to move

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Speaker 1: next round? Kind of going the opposite of the veterans,

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Speaker 2: Mine is Ronde gadst in the second just because his

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Speaker 2: Chargers also signed former Browns tight end David Nijoku just

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Speaker 1: It almost fits feels like beyond boomer Bus, Like it

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Speaker 2: And he did go off for a couple of games,

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Speaker 1: I think We might have had a one of our

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Speaker 4: Right. Well, I mean when a rookie has a nice stretch,

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Speaker 1: So really, did Bagma, who's your young player who might

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Speaker 4: Look, I know the bashell Tutant cultists are going to

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Speaker 4: before being touched. JCM and ETN way way better yards

436
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 4: before contact than either one of those two guys, So

437
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 4: it wasn't just the O line doing it for them.

438
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 4: They both had teammates that were better. Is tooting better

439
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 4: than see Rod? Probably? But I also think he's closer

440
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 4: to the league average than a real starter level, And

441
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 4: whether it's this season or next season, I just don't

442
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 4: expect to lead this backfield beyond twenty twenty six. So

443
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna lead it in twenty twenty six. Yes,

444
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 4: is there a chance for him to build himself for

445
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 4: a runway to keep the shop? Of course there is

446
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 4: if he's gonna be the lead back in Jacksonville this year. Yes,

447
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 4: I just think that he's closer to league average than

448
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 4: he is and unbelievable talent. So I'm going to say

449
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: that beyond this year, I could see Jacksonville signing someone.

450
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 4: I can see them drafting someone to replace him, and

451
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 4: it may not even be this season either. He may

452
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 4: lose his job this season. Because I think Rod and

453
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 4: him are fairly comparable. I would take Touton over him,

454
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 4: specifically with Sea Rod being gimpy to start this campaign,

455
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 4: but I just don't have the confidence in tune that

456
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 4: other people do.

457
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: Fits. I'm curious where you are at on Toot and

458
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: I feel like for me, I am want I'm fading

459
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: Tooton relative. I think he's a good choice for this

460
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: because I am fading him relative to what feels like

461
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit aggressive of a cost right now.

462
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 1: But I'm not quite willing to say it with my

463
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: chest and really plant my flag on fading him because

464
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: I do feel like it could burn me this year.

465
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: In particular, I do think there is talent there. It

466
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 1: is a good you know, it feels like an ascending

467
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 1: offense right with Liam Cohen. There's reasons to be bought in.

468
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: I just feel like the market price is just maybe

469
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: a hair too high for me, which is why I

470
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: can't quite get there. To like pounding the table against him,

471
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: but I tend to lean towards Bogman on this, So

472
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm a little torn. What do you think.

473
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: I just checked where I am versus market, and I've

474
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: got HI one oh one overall and ECRSM ninety five overall.

475
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: So I'm maybe with you a little bit, and I'm

476
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: sort of agnostic on him at the moment. I can

477
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: see the path stylistically certainly not comparable with Chris Rodriguez.

478
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: I mean, Tuton is a sports car and Rodriguez is

479
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: a track Yeah, but and maybe they can be complimentary pieces.

480
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: But what I don't like is that possibility that Tuton

481
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: does not get a lot of high value touches.

482
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 3: That Trevory ten who was.

483
00:23:53,600 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: A pretty good pass blocker last year sixty I think

484
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: he had sixty pass blocking snaps and only allowed three

485
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: pressures and no snacks, no snaps last year. So I'm

486
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 2: worry that he is going to get the a lot

487
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: of the third down work and that Tuton is sort

488
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: of splitting up early downs with Rodriguez, and Rodriguez is

489
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 2: getting the goal line stuff because he's the hammer, in

490
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: which case it's like even if Tuton gets a good

491
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: number of touches. He's not getting the receptions and he's

492
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: not scoring the touchdowns.

493
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 3: That's the fear.

494
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I don't want to totally

495
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 2: fade a guy who has four to three to two

496
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: speed and has a forty and a half inch vertical jump.

497
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: He's an athletic Marvel or for that matter, a guy

498
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: who was the potential to be the lead back into

499
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen offense. Those things are both really attractive. So yeah,

500
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: I'm I'm kind of mixed on him.

501
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: Well, I just want to.

502
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 4: Throw out real quick because I just looked it up. UF.

503
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 4: They only allowed to in fifteen pass blocking snaps. Well,

504
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 4: Quinn allenhead, Sorry I said, I met la Quinn Allen.

505
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, but look,

506
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 4: Quinn Allen, as you mentioned, then sixty one pass blocking

507
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: attempts and he graded eighty point eight. They only allowed

508
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 4: tooting fifteen in his grade. Yeah, was fifty two point one.

509
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: Quinn Ellen. I was really good at that. And he's

510
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: a good pass catcher too, So I worry that. Yeah,

511
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 2: I don't know why, I said, Trevor.

512
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it might be la Quinn in the in

513
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 4: the passing downs and it might be tooting at the

514
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 4: goal line, so tough.

515
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: If we get burned by Fati him. What do you

516
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: think is like his best case scenario for where he'll

517
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: be ranked next year? Like how high is this ceiling?

518
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: If it's like, hey, we're kind of wrong, he was

519
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: worth betting on. Like what's the highest possible ranking in

520
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: Dynasty League's heading into twenty twenty seven that you guys

521
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: could imagine.

522
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 4: So if he hits, if he hits his full potential,

523
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 4: I mean I think, you know, probably somewhere around sixteen

524
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 4: or seventeen, maybe even inside the top fifteen. I think

525
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 4: he could go pretty high if he hits that potential.

526
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 4: I just don't think he'll get there.

527
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: The ceiling is Jane Cook, that's the ceiling.

528
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: Okay, I would be that's a top ten RB, right.

529
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be very high, So a possible

530
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: big miss. But yeah, I think we're all kind of

531
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: in the same page of like not that we want to.

532
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: We don't hate the guy, but maybe just a little

533
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: it's a little too aggressive. Right now, Let's go to

534
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: some players who we like the player, but the role

535
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: or situation is a bit of a landmine for them

536
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: in dynasty fits, who do you have here?

537
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: It's Garrett Wilson, and.

538
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: It's a situational landmine. Wilson started his career with three

539
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: straight thousand yard seasons, wasn't scoring a lot of touchdowns four,

540
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: three and seven in his first three years. It's wide

541
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: receiver twenty one, wide receiver twenty six, wide receiver ten

542
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: in PPR scoring the wide receiver ten season came with

543
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 2: that was twenty twenty four. I believe that was with

544
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 2: post prime Aaron Rodgers, which was better than it had

545
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: been with Zach Wilson, Mike White, Trevor Simeon, guys like

546
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: that in his first two seasons. So and then we

547
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: had last year where he only played seven games due

548
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: to a knee injury. The year just kind of got

549
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: zapped for him. Now it's going to be Geno Smith

550
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: at quarterback for the Jets next year, presumably with the

551
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: Jets holding three first round picks. It's going to be

552
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: some sort of rookie, maybe Arch Manning, Dante More, one

553
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: of the top rookies he would imagine, and things probably

554
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: won't be pretty at first, even if it is a

555
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 2: number one or number two overall pick. We know that

556
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: rookie years, even for the top quarterbacks, guys like Peyton

557
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: Manning and Andrew Luck had a lot of interceptions in

558
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: year one, probably not going to be great. So it

559
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: might not be until twenty twenty eight that Garon Wilson

560
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: finally gets good quarterbacking over an entire season. By that time,

561
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 2: he's going to be aged twenty eight. And I don't know,

562
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: I feel like in Dynasty, we've always been willing to

563
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: sit back with Garrett Wilson, like, Okay, it's bad. Now

564
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: he's still giving us decent numbers. Just wait, it's gonna

565
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: eventually be better. Been waiting for a long time. We're

566
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 2: all kind of looking at our watches, like when is

567
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: this gonna happen?

568
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: Now?

569
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: Maybe we've got an ETA of like twenty twenty eight

570
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: and it's just.

571
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: A long time.

572
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 2: And now he's got more target competition with Omar Cooper,

573
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: Kenyan Sadik around. Not that I think these guys are

574
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: gonna usurp Wilson or be anything more than complimentary guys,

575
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: but you know, at the same time, there might not

576
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: be a path that Garrett Wilson getting a JSN like

577
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: target share either. So undeniably, Garrett Wilson is a really

578
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: good player. I just see this as, yeah, kind of

579
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: a situational landmine. With in ECR of wide receiver fourteen

580
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: in Dynasty, that seems a little rich to me given

581
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: the circumstances. I've got to MI wide receiver sixteen, so

582
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: not that much lower, but I feel like even wide

583
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: receiver sixteen might be a bit too high.

584
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: This one is like it's hard Bogman for me to agreed,

585
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: not because I think fits is wrong, but just because

586
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: I have liked Garrett Wilson for so long and I

587
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: want him to be wrong more than I I think

588
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: he is wrong. I just love the player, and it's

589
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: gonna be really disappointing if we get to Garrett Wilson's

590
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: thirties and we look back and think on, like, what

591
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: if you know with his career in terms of what

592
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: he could have been as you know, both as an

593
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: NFL player and as a Dynasty you know a guy

594
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: to have on your roster. I don't want to say

595
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: asset because that diminishes him, but just his career, I

596
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: think it'll be a bummer to look back and be

597
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: kind of bummed out by it. Where are you at

598
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: and Wilson do you think he fits this you know description,

599
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: and and do you kind of agree with Fits that? Like,

600
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: let's let's just assume for the sake of argument that

601
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: the Jets do get some variation of a good quarterback

602
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: next year through the draft. I'm not gonna say it's

603
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, ends up being arched, but just a quarterback

604
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: that we're kind of excited about. Are you gonna feel

605
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: similarly about? They're still going to take some time before

606
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: Wilson can be, you know, reaching his potential.

607
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 4: I just I can't quite get there. I understand where

608
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: Fits is coming from, kind of like you said, worm

609
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: where And I kind of mentioned this with Marvin Harrison

610
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 4: and people didn't like it. But what I said was,

611
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 4: I think Marvin Harrison's gonna have a good year this year,

612
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: but he hasn't proven himself. So next year, if he

613
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 4: doesn't have a good year again this year, next year,

614
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: we're gonna say, oh, Arch Banning is coming in. It

615
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: was clearly the quarterback play, and like we're just we

616
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: keep kicking this can down the road. I think the

617
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: difference between him and Garrett Wilson's we've at least seen

618
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson be productive with some really bad quarterbacks. So

619
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 4: if he gets a good one, I'm pretty confident that

620
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson's gonna be good. I am lower than hec

621
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 4: are by a spot. I believe. Right now he's thirteen

622
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: and I have him at wide receiver fourteen, So I see,

623
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 4: And it's the Jets, you know what I mean? Like,

624
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 4: at some point you have to get Jets fatigue from

625
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 4: ruining so many players for so long. You know, the

626
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 4: only one that has seen to escape that in recent

627
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: history is Bryce Hall and Garrett Wilson. So, but it

628
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 4: would be a very Jets thing to do to ruin

629
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 4: a guy like Garrett Wilson. So I understand where Fits

630
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: is coming from. I just don't think I'm quite there yet.

631
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: Just to follow up, let me give you for instance,

632
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: So I'm probably one of five percent of rankers or

633
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: fewer who have Luthor Burden ranked ahead of Garrett Wilson

634
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: in Dynasty, and people are gonna be like, it's crazy

635
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: to have Burden ahead of a guy who's already had

636
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: three thousand yard seasons and did it while playing with

637
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: guys like Zach Wilson and Mike White and Trevor Siman.

638
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: But I mean, right now, the situation is Gino Smith

639
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: is his quarterback and Frank Reich as his playball and

640
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: Luthor Burden, who we can see is pretty talented, doesn't

641
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: have the resume yet, but like if you watch him play,

642
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: Luthor Burdon looks really good and he's already got Caleb

643
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: a guy with the potential to be a top three

644
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: or four quarterback in the league. And Ben Johnson one

645
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: of the best play callers in the league, like he's

646
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: got his environment around him. We're still waiting for a

647
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: favorable ecosystem for Garrett Wilson, and we don't know when

648
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: we're gonna finally.

649
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 4: Get one or if we're gonna get one.

650
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: I mean, hopefully that draft is bountiful and it comes

651
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: with a full house kick.

652
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 4: They got a three pickings, they got to find some

653
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: talent here, and.

654
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: They would imagine they're going to hire some offensive minded

655
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: head coach and hopefully it looks good for Garrett Wilson

656
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty seven and beyond, and obviously after twenty

657
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: twenty seven, it's going to take a year for everything

658
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: to gel, So twenty twenty eight is the lift off.

659
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: We hope, but who knows you're right. It might never happen.

660
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't think you're wrong. I just

661
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: want you to be wrong right, Like Bogan, who's your

662
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: guy in a tough role situation, et cetera.

663
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 4: I took the cowards way out compared to FITZI here,

664
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: I said Dalton Kincaid. I think Dalk Kinkaid is probably, uh,

665
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: you know, more obvious than Garrett Wilson.

666
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

667
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 4: But so we have a tight end who missed five games.

668
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 4: He only played over fifty percent of the snaps in

669
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 4: three of those games. You know, he obviously had the

670
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: PCL injury that happened in twenty twenty four and he

671
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: decided to not have surgery for that, and we still

672
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: have him at tight end fourteen. They also they still

673
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: they like knocks, but they use hawes to block a lot.

674
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 4: They still or they use knocks a lot and use

675
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 4: hawes to block, which limits the snaps for Dalk kik Kad.

676
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 4: And I think targets are going to get worse for

677
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: tight ends overall. In Buffalo as well, because you had

678
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 4: DJ Moore, you had Skylar Bell. I think Keon Coleman's

679
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: going to see more field time this year than he

680
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: ever has now that McDermott is gone. So I just

681
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: think you keep adding these things to Dalton Kincaid. You

682
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: add an injury that hasn't been cleared up through surgery

683
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: that they're banking on, you know, and he says he

684
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 4: feels great. That's great, But I still don't like the

685
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 4: amount of snaps that he's getting. I don't like his

686
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 4: role in this offense. And we still have him as

687
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: he borderline tight end one. I have moved him down

688
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 4: to tight end seventeen. I think I'm just out on

689
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 4: Dalton Kincaid overall.

690
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: One hundred and tenth overall in the rankings fits. So

691
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: that's something like an early tenth round pick, I think

692
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: in a twelfth team league, Yeah, that would be early tenth. Yeah.

693
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: What do you think about that as like a startup

694
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: value for a guy like Kincaid?

695
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm actually a little higher than that. I

696
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: should probably bring that down because I'm not sure if

697
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: I want to be coming out of a startup draft

698
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: with Dalton Kincaid. Because I kind of agree with Bogs.

699
00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: Here's what scares me about Kincaid. Like last year, his

700
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 2: efficiency numbers were insanely good. Fourteen point six yards per catch,

701
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: eleven point seven yards per target, two point seven yards

702
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: per rout run. The yards per target and yards per

703
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: rout run those are Jamar Chase caliber numbers, just terrific

704
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: for a tight end. But he was tight end fifteen

705
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: in Fantasy points per game, tight end fifteen. It's because

706
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 2: of what Bogs was saying, he was a part time

707
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: player and because of this weird knee injury towards PCL

708
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: two years ago, didn't have surgery and apparently isn't planning

709
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: to for whatever reason. The recommendation is not to have

710
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: surgery on this. But even this offseason, Brandon be and

711
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: the Bills general manager has been talking cryptically about the

712
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: Bills needing to manage his snap counts. So the efficiency

713
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: can't possibly be better for Kincaid than it was last year.

714
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: The only path for him to be more valuable is

715
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: to get more snaps that might not be in the cards,

716
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: and it's very possible he's not as efficient as he

717
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 2: was last year when he was putting up Jamar Chase

718
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: type efficiency numbers.

719
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: Would you rather Kincaid or Isaiah Likely in a startup draft?

720
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: Likely for me, Yeah, me too.

721
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: Likely was going just a handful of spots behind Kincaid

722
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: in again just going based off the rankings here on

723
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: the overall.

724
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 4: Aronde Gadsden or DLin Kinkaid, FITZI, Kinkaid, I got a

725
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 4: Rondez Gadson is a little bit higher. They're all within

726
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: fifteen picks of each other, though in a startup Gadsten, Stours, Kincaid,

727
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: and Likely are all within fifteen spots. And also if

728
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: Jake Ferguson and George Kittle just throwing tight ends, and

729
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 4: then obviously you wouldn't compare Kinkaid to a guy like

730
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Speaker 3: Let's get Can we switch the batting order here?

744
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: Can we have Bogman first in this next category so

745
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: I can then come in off the top rope like

746
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: Randy the macho man savage on him.

747
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Well, you're mixing metaphors here. Is this a baseball batting

748
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: order or a wrestling match? But yes, we can do that.

749
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: We're doing we're talking injury and other risks for this one.

750
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: So Bogwin, why don't you go first?

751
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be Chrystal love again for me, and

752
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: people hated it last week, but I'm going to continue

753
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 4: to say this, and it's not the talent. Crystal Lobby

754
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: is incredibly talented, but concussions and blood clots are scary

755
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: to start. We also went through last week how Chris

756
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 4: Olav really depends on volume, and you know, he doesn't

757
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 4: get yack, he doesn't make tacklers miss. He thrives on

758
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: heavy targets and deep targets. And they're going to add

759
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 4: Tyson and Lance and delp they also added Etn who

760
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: they signed. I just don't think he'll see the same volume.

761
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: He's first in the air yard six and targets fifth

762
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: and end zone targets last year. For a guy that

763
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 4: is mainly reliant on volume and staying on the field,

764
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 4: there are issues potentially, well there's always potential with injuries

765
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 4: for him, But now that they're bringing in Tyson, if

766
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: he ever gets healthy, I think there is going to

767
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 4: be you know, larger volume issues for Chris Olave. So

768
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: the injury stuff plus the volume stuff, and he's you know,

769
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 4: still a top forty asset. I can't get him much

770
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: further below that. But I just think that I would

771
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 4: like to get as much as I can for Chris

772
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: o'lava right now when he's coming off a you know,

773
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 4: a fully healthy season. I know some people are scared,

774
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 4: but he's still wide receiver fourteen. If that's the attitude

775
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: that most people have, I think that, uh, I think

776
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 4: that it's still a good time to trade him.

777
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: Fits.

778
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 2: I am a bit lower than the consensus on Chris Olava,

779
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 2: and I do have him like immediately behind Garrett Wilson there.

780
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: I don't I've not really dug into the long term

781
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: implications of the blood clot thing, whether that could be

782
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: a repeatable problem for him, I probably should. I know

783
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 2: the concussion thing does seem like a risk, although now

784
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: he's been concussion.

785
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: Free for a while. I just know he's a really

786
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: good player.

787
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: I do think Jordan Tyson probably cuts into his target volume,

788
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: but o lave is so dangerous as a deep threat

789
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: that it would hurt him certainly if he lost some targets,

790
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: especially in PPR. Maybe catches fewer balls, but I could

791
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: also see him as a guy who does a lot

792
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 2: of damage on the balls he catches. I think he's

793
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 2: always going to have a big yards per catch, yards

794
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: per target, just because he's so dangerous as a deep threat,

795
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: and we've been seeing that ever since his Ohio State career.

796
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: So really good player. I'm a little less worried about

797
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: the injury stuff than.

798
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: Boggs's Bogman if he was not, If there was no

799
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: injury stuff at all, we're crislave By ranked fugue. And

800
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: I asked that because I want to know, like just

801
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: to what degree it is affecting his rankings, Like how

802
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: much of a drop is specifically injury related.

803
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 4: I probably haven't been nine if there were no injury

804
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 4: issues with him, I probably haven't nine because he's done

805
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: it like, he's been a consistent performer. But again, I

806
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 4: think I would be worried about Tyson even without the

807
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 4: injury worries, because I do think he's you know, he's

808
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 4: It's a lot of volume work for him, but he

809
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: I mean, he is consistently a very good target, another

810
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: high state guy that has been incredible in the NFL.

811
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 4: I just think with his concussion history in particularly, you know,

812
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: if he misses five to six games this year, his

813
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 4: value is going to plummet and people are going to

814
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: be very scared. I just think that the value for

815
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 4: Olave is at its the peak of what it's going

816
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: to be right now.

817
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: He averaged something like twenty four points per game in

818
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: half VPR in the Fantasy playoffs last year. I mean,

819
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like staring at the game walk again. It

820
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: helped win me a league, and I'm sure it did for

821
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: other people too. His incredible finish so hard to.

822
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: Player.

823
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Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, he is all right, fitshs yours?

824
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: All right, So we've we've been talking about a buck eye.

825
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 2: We might as well give the Wolverines equal time here.

826
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: Bogman is always talking about how injury Prono Lave is,

827
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: but he never talks about the Houston guy who plays

828
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: right in his backyard, Nico Collins. Nico missed three games

829
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: with the shoulder injury as a rookie in twenty twenty one,

830
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: seven games with foot and groin injuries in twenty twenty two,

831
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: missed two games with a calf injury. In twenty twenty three.

832
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: It was one miss game that year, came back, played

833
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: a few more games than reaggravated the injury. He missed

834
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: five games with the hamstring injury in twenty twenty four.

835
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: Last year, missed two games with a concussion. So Nico

836
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: has missed almost a quarter of the Texans regular season

837
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: game since coming into the league. A Lave, he's missed

838
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: twenty percent of his team's game since coming into the league.

839
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: So Nico has been absent due to injury more often

840
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 2: than a Lave so far. And like a Lave, Nico

841
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: is a terrific player. There's no knock on what sort

842
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: of player he is, but I do feel like we

843
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: have to ding him a little bit when we appraise

844
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 2: his dynasty value because of all the injuries he's had

845
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: and maybe you know there, what's the category here? Injury,

846
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: efficiency and fragility risks. I don't think it's an efficiency

847
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: issue with him. Injury, yes, the fragility aspect. Maybe there's

848
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: a looming threat to his target share if the two

849
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: Iowa State guys start to come on, Jaden Higgins and

850
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: Jalen Noel, Like I really like both of these guys.

851
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: We saw Higgins make some plays last year, Noel not

852
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: so much. But I know the team really likes him,

853
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: and there's been some buzz that he might have a

854
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: bigger role in twenty twenty six. It's not like they're

855
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: going to race Nicocollins, but I think they could start

856
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: to nibble away a little bit at Nico's target share.

857
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: Same question I asked Bogman fits how much, specifically are

858
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: you dropping him in rankings due to injury? Like how

859
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: much if he is like like, where would he be

860
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: ranked for you if he had no injury concerns whatsoever,

861
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: had played every game his whole career versus where he's ranked? Now,

862
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: what's that delta given the injuries?

863
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: Right now?

864
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: I've got him a wide receiver eleven in Dynasty and

865
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 2: I've got him behind directly behind Amcca Buca and Teterero

866
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: McMillan and Amecca Buca. I probably have him ahead of

867
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: those two guys at wide receiver nine.

868
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: One you know, difference between the two Bogman is that

869
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: Chris Olave is a little younger and Nico maybe a

870
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: surprising age twenty seven somebody you know who not as old.

871
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: But you know, the older you get, the harder it

872
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: is to come back from injuries. So if you're already

873
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, struggling to stay on the field for a

874
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: full season, you know, maybe that starts to become even

875
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: more of an issue as you get older. Where are

876
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: you at on Nico?

877
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 4: I also have him at eleven and I believe his

878
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 4: ECR is at eleven. And to answer your question before

879
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: you ask it, nine is also like the peak where

880
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 4: I could get Nico Collins as well if he didn't

881
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: have the injury history. And I think it's more than

882
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 4: fair to lump Nico in with with Olave as injury prone.

883
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: I think we can say that in his career. I

884
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 4: think the thing that the differating marker to me is

885
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 4: that it's been different injuries for Nico Collins. Right, it's

886
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 4: been a quad, it's been a foot, a hamstring, and

887
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 4: then last year was the concussion and then a concussion

888
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 4: in the playoffs again, so I don't like those last

889
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: two being back to back concussions in the same year.

890
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: But you know, it's the soft tissue things that I

891
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 4: can handle missing a game or two right for you know,

892
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 4: a season. It's been more than that. Two fits his point,

893
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 4: but I'm hoping this season he can prove to be healthy.

894
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 4: But it's a fair it's a fair assessment of what

895
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 4: Nico Collins has been and they've added talent. I don't

896
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: think the talent in Houston is close to what Tyson

897
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 4: will be in New Orleans, but they have added talent

898
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: as well, so it's it's a fair argument.

899
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: Where would you take both of these guys in a startup?

900
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: Will be the last question on these two. Nico, for

901
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: what it's worth overall, is a rank as a late

902
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: third Chris lave in early fourth, So similar areas fits

903
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: exactly where I have them, Okay, exactly what we have

904
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: them be. I mean, yeah, it's what do you think.

905
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: I've got Nico early fourth at thirty seven, so just

906
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: outside of third around range and I've got a lave

907
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: early fifth.

908
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: Okay, it's about a round off. If you disagree with

909
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,880
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910
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,440
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911
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,200
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913
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,799
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914
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,680
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00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,799
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00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,799
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918
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: All right, guys, one last category here, market traps fits.

919
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: We'll go back to starting with you.

920
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: RJ.

921
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: Harvey his Dynasty ECRs RB twenty four. I've got him

922
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: in RB thirty and even that feels generous to me

923
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: quite honestly. Harvey had such a goal opportunity after JK.

924
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: Dobbins went down with that foot injury last year, and

925
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: I feel like he just bombed the audition. Before the

926
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: Dobbins injury, Harvey was having trouble getting on the field,

927
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: played fewer than a third of Denver offensive snaps in

928
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: nine of their first ten games after the Dobbins injury,

929
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: Harvey got plenty of snaps and.

930
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: Touches, but he was just flat out bad.

931
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 2: As a runner three point three yards per carry over

932
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: nine games playoffs included, while running behind a very good

933
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: Denver offensive line that ranked seventh in adjusted lineyards. So

934
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: like good situation, he just stunk as a runner. And

935
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: Harvey was better of a pass catcher than as a runner.

936
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: But he's never gonna have significant dynasty value if he

937
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: can't get a foothold as an early down back. If

938
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: he's just the third down guy. Yeah, maybe you can

939
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: flex him in a PPR league, but you're never going

940
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: to want to start that guy weekend, week out. And

941
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: for this year, Dobbins has re signed and the Broncos

942
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: drafted Jonah Coleman in the fourth round. I don't know

943
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: what coleman snapshare is going to look like, but I

944
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: do know Sean Payton has never been one running back

945
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: type of guy. In New Orleans, he usually had a

946
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: two or three man committee. Like early on in his

947
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: tenure with the Saints, it was that three man committee

948
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: of Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, duce McAllister and there were

949
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: seasons where none of them had more than like six

950
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: hundred and six hundred and fifty rushing yards. So it

951
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: just seems like Harvey's usage is going to be limited

952
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: this year.

953
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 3: And I don't know.

954
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 2: I just have to squint really hard to see him

955
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 2: being a fantasy starter at any point this year.

956
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: And I don't know what.

957
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: The future holds after how bad he looked as a

958
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: runner last year.

959
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: Sorry, did you say where he's ranked for.

960
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 3: You thirty running backs?

961
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one hundred and eleventh in the overall RB

962
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: twenty sixth though, so the higher at the position, bogwan,

963
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: what do you think?

964
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 3: I mean?

965
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: I have Harvey at twenty seven, I have I have

966
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: Coleman at thirty three, and I think having those guys

967
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 4: a close means I probably will not be drafting either

968
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 4: one of them, right, I just I don't know who

969
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: is going to lead the backfield in carries this year.

970
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: Could easily be JK.

971
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 4: Dobbins as well, but we know that JK. Dobbins never

972
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 4: can stay healthy. So I really don't like this situation.

973
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 4: It's gross. I feel like Harvey and Coleman have the

974
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: same ceiling. They both have tremendous floors as well. They

975
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 4: can just bottom out. So I think this is a

976
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 4: really good pick because I'm just not I am not

977
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 4: gonna be if I roster a Denver running back for

978
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, it's gonna be through a trade. It

979
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 4: will not be because I drafted one.

980
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who leads the backfield and carries it

981
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: will absolutely, unequivocally, I think be JK. Dobbins in any

982
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: game he's healthy, right, so just because we just because

983
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: we have a very strong sense that he's going, you know,

984
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: he would likely get hurt.

985
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: What does your magic eight ball say for games played

986
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 4: for JK. Dobbins this year?

987
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean, who's I hope it's all of them. I

988
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: like I want him to get But like I mean,

989
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: we talk about, like you know, Sean Payton not using

990
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: a you know, a true bell cow work course like

991
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: the game's Dobbins played last year. His first ten weeks

992
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: of the season, his rushing attempts in those games were sixteen, fourteen, eleven, sixteen,

993
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, fourteen, fifteen, fifteen, eighteen. He was he got

994
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: double digit in every game, and all but one of

995
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: them he got at least fourteen carries and he got

996
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: at least one target in each of those, but we

997
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: all wish.

998
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 4: He would go away so we could see the true

999
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 4: upside of the young guys. So but it's just not sure.

1000
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, even though we are sort of

1001
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: baking in this strong likelihood given his history, that Dobbins

1002
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: will get hurt again, even if somebody we're not rooting for.

1003
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: In any game he is playing, he'll be ranked ahead

1004
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: of R. J. Harvey and Jonah Coleman. I have to imagine.

1005
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 4: I mean, it depends. I could see Coleman coming in

1006
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 4: and being super impressive and pushing both guys out of

1007
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 4: the way.

1008
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: I like Coleman. I don't see him pushing a healthy

1009
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: Dobbins out of the way.

1010
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: I don't see either one doing that either, worm, but

1011
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 4: I will I won't take it off of the realm

1012
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 4: of real possibilities.

1013
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: This is also usually happened. This is also a good team,

1014
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: So you would think a guy like Dobbins like doesn't

1015
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: need to rely on the pass catching right, like, should

1016
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: have opportunities to be running clack playing gains again if

1017
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: he's a If he's healthy, all right, Bogwan, who's your

1018
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: market trap?

1019
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be Bill again. Jacory Krossky Maren. I still,

1020
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 4: I do believe that JCM is the best back in Washington,

1021
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 4: But I don't think he's better on short yards than

1022
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: Kitron Allen, Penn State's all time leading running back by

1023
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: the way, all time leading rushing yards leader, and I

1024
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 4: don't He's definitely not a better route runner than Rashad White.

1025
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 4: So what is his real role going to be?

1026
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: Overall?

1027
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 4: Best on the field. Yeah, but he's not better in

1028
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 4: either one of those roles than the guys that are

1029
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 4: directly behind him. And you know, Kitron Allen isn't a

1030
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 4: zero in the passing game. He had seventy catches in

1031
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 4: college football. Bill has thirty four. He had thirty four

1032
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: and six seasons of college football, and only nine catches

1033
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: last year, So forty three catches throughout college and his

1034
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 4: pro career in six seasons in college. He's not I

1035
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: think he's better suited as a pass with his athleticism

1036
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: as a pass down back, he just doesn't have experience

1037
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 4: there yet, and obviously Rashad White has all the experience.

1038
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 4: So even if we see Bill as the RB one

1039
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 4: this year, a lot like Tuton, I think he has

1040
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: a better than zero chance to be replaced next year.

1041
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 4: I think all these guys could be replaced next year

1042
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 4: if Catron Allen doesn't do much. He's not a heavy investment.

1043
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: They don't have Rashad White on a long contract either.

1044
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 4: So you know, we saw Woody Marks have a nice

1045
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 4: role last year get pushed out by David Montgomery. Harvey

1046
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 4: didn't do enough, Dobbins was resigned, and Coleman was drafted. Right,

1047
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 4: Jordan Mason had a chance to push Aaron Jones out,

1048
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 4: he didn't. They re signed Aaron Jones and they drafted

1049
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 4: dem and Claiborne. So a lot of these guys that

1050
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 4: have had a chance haven't impressed enough, and teams have,

1051
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 4: you know, made backup plans, and I think Washington did

1052
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 4: that not only by signing White, they also signed Jerome

1053
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: Ford and they spent a draft pick on k Tron Allen.

1054
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 4: So and we've heard Blou talk or Anthony lenn excuse me,

1055
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 4: talk about how they want Kitron Allen to a play

1056
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 4: c rod Well. That's your goal line carries right there.

1057
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: So I think that this backfield is going to be

1058
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 4: a weird mix a lot like the Denver backfield we

1059
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 4: just talked about, and less predictable than the Denver backfield

1060
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 4: as well. I think right now JCM is between the twenties.

1061
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: I think Roger overshot White is the obvious passing down back,

1062
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 4: and I think if we get near the goal lines,

1063
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 4: those are going to go to K Tron Allen. So

1064
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 4: I think Bill crossky Merrit is overvalued right now in Dynasty.

1065
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 4: And he doesn't have a crazy eigh ranking either. He's

1066
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 4: in the forties and I'm still below that. So I

1067
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 4: just I don't know that that Bill krossky Merritt is

1068
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 4: talented enough to not only keep the guys on the

1069
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 4: roster at Bay for the whole year, but to keep

1070
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 4: the commanders from drafting someone and pushing his role maybe

1071
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 4: all the way out in the future.

1072
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: Fits am I misremembering that you maybe are a little

1073
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: higher on Bill here?

1074
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: I think I am.

1075
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: I've got him running back thirty nine, ironically, one spot

1076
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: ahead of JK.

1077
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: Dobbins, who we just talked about.

1078
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 4: He's forty one, so you're not crazy, Okay.

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