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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: On this episode of XRGC, we will be giving you

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Speaker 2: spoilers for the Conjuring series in general, and will include

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Speaker 2: a spoiler free review of its latest entry, The Conjuring

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Speaker 2: Last Rights. You are warned. Hello, my name is Jason Caccepcio.

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Speaker 3: And I'm t Pey No, I'm Mersey night.

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Speaker 2: As an inside joke for in Front of View though,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to XRGC, our weekly roundtable chat with our

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Speaker 2: producers and or special guests talk about all the things

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Speaker 2: we're excited about currently in movies, TVs, comics and pop culture.

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Speaker 4: In today's episode, we are talking about the Conjuring series

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Speaker 4: and its final entry, Last Rights with our Queen Queen's

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Speaker 4: Joel and Common. In segment two, me and Aaron are

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Speaker 4: gonna be talking about the Nintendo switch to what do

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Speaker 4: we think so far? Is it worth it? Do we

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Speaker 4: love it? Have we upgraded any games? You will find out?

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Speaker 4: And in segment three, the and or special guest is

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Speaker 4: coming in and it's Making Blair, who is the director

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Speaker 4: of the new cult hit The Toxic Avenger based on

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Speaker 4: the classic Troma series. And as always on XRGC, we

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Speaker 4: will end with thank Galactus.

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Speaker 3: It's Friday. And share what we are most excited to

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Speaker 3: do this weekend.

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Speaker 4: But first, Joel and Carmon, you saw the final installment

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Speaker 4: of the Conjuring franchise, The Conjuring Last Rights. Let me

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Speaker 4: conjure you here so you can tell us about it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let's do a really quick just overview, non spoiler. Okay,

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Speaker 5: the Warrens are back and they're forced out of retirement

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Speaker 5: by their over your daughter, who, just by two decades

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Speaker 5: of being stalked by demon still manages to be lured

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Speaker 5: into a trap. Fans in the film Triser could despair

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Speaker 5: and delight in equal measure. In this uneven conclusion to

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Speaker 5: a mostly enjoyable series, we're back and forth with a

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Speaker 5: giant family living in a small, unassuming house that quickly

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Speaker 5: turns violent on anyone who dares to try to dispel

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Speaker 5: the demon. The spirits are sufficiently creepy. The dolls are

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Speaker 5: see the speaker of the person talking to you, you

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Speaker 5: need to assume it's a demon and they're luring you

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Speaker 5: to your death. Unfortunately, there is an hour and a

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Speaker 5: half act one. Okay, it is an hour and half

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Speaker 5: Warren's get to the Smirrel family home.

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Speaker 2: It is an unbearably.

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Speaker 5: Long slog where we spend tons of time with Judy

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Speaker 5: heart problems. The film is just kind of hell bent

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Speaker 5: on the Warrens being like these pioneering heroes who were

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Speaker 5: scarred by their close brushes with demonic forces, which is

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Speaker 5: an angle you can take, but in order to explore

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Speaker 5: the filmmakers really needed to engage in any number of

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Speaker 5: the controversy surrounding the Warrens, the flesh and blood humans

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Speaker 5: impacted by their actions. But instead an hour and a half,

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Speaker 5: the well meaning family dribble with mostly predictable scares. This

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Speaker 5: He did The Curse of La Youirona, The Conjuring, The

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Speaker 5: Devil Made Me Do It, and The Nun too. If

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Speaker 5: good time at The Conjuring Last Rites. Those are my thoughts, Carmen,

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Speaker 5: how did you enter and leave the cana?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I you know what I was actually despite you know,

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Speaker 6: I thought like the poster looks kind of wonky. I

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Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Though, I'm excited for Love the Conjrs.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm excited for this final chapter in the Conjuring franchise.

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Speaker 6: I do think it is a horror franchise that kind

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Speaker 6: I think my first thought, and what I shared with

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Speaker 3: Does it have good scares?

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Speaker 3: It's like sat in mid Guar, totally Central America.

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Speaker 5: Oh, we'll talk about him after, which I really enjoyed.

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Speaker 5: But I think, overall, to Carmen's point in our actual

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Speaker 5: That's where all the bad things happened. Like it's formulaic,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was gonna say, Jason, what, like, what's your.

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Speaker 2: I saw the first Conjuring via Netflix. I believe Wow

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Speaker 3: Ya tells you how long these films have been going on.

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Speaker 2: By the way, produce Peter Saffran producing made a bucket,

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Speaker 2: And you're right, Carmen, like this redefined jump scares and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think the thing about the first Conjuring

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it changed horror forever. But now, as you

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Speaker 4: And we're back to talk about the switch to the

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Speaker 7: I'm doing great. I've smashed a bunch of bananas and

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Speaker 7: I'm ready for this conversation.

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Speaker 3: He's ready for the Donkey Kong of it all.

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Speaker 4: And of course we will also have Jason looking in

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't have one, but I'm jealous.

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Speaker 3: You're like, I'm here and I'm sad about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't I boasting. No, I actually have talked

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Speaker 3: Had the busiest month of my life.

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Speaker 4: I got it for my birthday July first, and then

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Speaker 4: And while I have loved playing Mario Kartworld, which is

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Speaker 7: There have been so many moments in Donkey Kong Bananza

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Speaker 3: I've loved playing as the Cow. I've loved all.

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Speaker 3: But the real truth and nobody is going to be.

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Speaker 4: new switch when I forgot to up because one of

438
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Speaker 4: the games I've been playing pretty extensively is Tiny Bookshop,

439
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 4: which is an incredible game, really really fun, really beautiful bah.

440
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Speaker 4: When I went back and played on my switch one,

441
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Speaker 4: I felt like it was extremely noticeable.

442
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Speaker 3: I was interesting on the switch to. So I would

443
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Speaker 3: say that if you play games because.

444
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 4: You love the visual kind of landscape and language of games,

445
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 4: I do think the Switch too is.

446
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 3: A notable upgrade.

447
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 4: But again, I have not gotten an upgrade to Taser

448
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 4: the Kingdom. I have not paid for any of those

449
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 4: big upgrades yet. So I can't talk to that aspect.

450
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 4: I would say, you know, who should buy a switch

451
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 4: to probably somebody who has a disposable income. I wouldn't

452
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Speaker 4: say it's like something that you desperately need to get.

453
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean point, I would almost answer, who should

454
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Speaker 7: buy it? Nobody yet? Like us?

455
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Speaker 3: You want like Donkey Kong.

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Speaker 7: Right, it's amazing. It's sold over two million units, Like

457
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Speaker 7: it's such a huge hit. And you know, I think

458
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 7: that when Mario Kart first came out with it, it

459
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 7: dominated the video game conversation. Everyone was sharing videos of

460
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 7: them rail riding and doing all these shortcuts and doing

461
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Speaker 7: all these fun things. Rosie. I love your playing as

462
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Speaker 7: the cow. My main right now is Marty the Mole. Yeah,

463
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 7: it's very fun. But I do feel like the conversation

464
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Speaker 7: has dropped off a little, and I wonder if that

465
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Speaker 7: is just like it's the lack of games. And I

466
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Speaker 7: think again, Donkey Kong is like up there with Super

467
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Speaker 7: Mario Odyssey. I don't think there's a ton of conversation

468
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 7: about it, even though it's like probably going to be

469
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 7: nominated for Game of the Year. I think it's right

470
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 7: up there with like Claire Obscurra and like it's a great,

471
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Speaker 7: great game. But I do think the conversation has died

472
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Speaker 7: a little and right now we're getting like the things

473
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Speaker 7: that are in the news. Jason, you'll appreciate this. Elden

474
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 7: Ring Tarnish Edition is supposed to like Struggle in the

475
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Speaker 7: portable mode. Now, I'm not buying.

476
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Speaker 2: It as anybody And by the way, is anybody fucking surprised?

477
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Speaker 8: Right?

478
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Speaker 2: Let me just say this. If you are buying the

479
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Speaker 2: Switch at this point to play ported Triple A's stop

480
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: right there and go get anything else, get a place,

481
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: get a PS five, get an Xbox, whatever, and don't

482
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: don't do that, because, to literally no one's surprise, Eldering

483
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: doesn't run on switch.

484
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Speaker 7: On the switch now, I'm sure when it's docked it

485
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 7: will be fine, but it also runs fine on the

486
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Speaker 7: computer or the PS five. I do think if you're

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Speaker 7: looking forward to Silk Song, that will play fine on

488
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Speaker 7: switch too. I think if you're looking forward to Final

489
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 7: Fantasy Tactics the remake, I'm sure that'll run really well.

490
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Speaker 7: That's also a game from nineteen ninety seven, so I

491
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Speaker 7: hope it runs well on a twenty twenty five platform.

492
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Speaker 7: I think you're buying switch To for Metroid Prime four,

493
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 7: you're buying it for maybe Pokemon Legends, you're buying it

494
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Speaker 7: for the Dusk Bloods which is coming out, and you're

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Speaker 7: buying it for Zelda and Mario when they show up.

496
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Speaker 7: So I think that's the big pull. And how many,

497
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Speaker 7: like how many platform specific games are you specifically buying

498
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Speaker 7: PS five four? I mean it's just to play the

499
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Speaker 7: big games. Anyways, I think I don't know, maybe that's

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Speaker 7: that's okay.

501
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: Well, I've got a hot take for you guys too.

502
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Speaker 4: I remember when they first announced the Switch and everyone

503
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 4: was absolutely dragging it, like who wants this? Nobody asked

504
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: for this, and the Switch had like a relative you know,

505
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 4: it sold well, But is the switch to just gonna?

506
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Speaker 9: Is it?

507
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: Following the switches model?

508
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Speaker 4: The Switch needed the game and it happened because of

509
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Speaker 4: all the weird things that happened because of COVID, because

510
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Speaker 4: of lockdown.

511
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Speaker 3: The game was Animal Crossing, and that is when the

512
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Speaker 3: Switch became that.

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Speaker 2: The original Switch launched with Breath of the Wild, and

514
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Speaker 2: that's why I do love Breath Wild. Yeah, and that's

515
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: why I clamored for it, and that's why I pulled

516
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Speaker 2: every string I could get to get one and was

517
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Speaker 2: very happy again and it's a fantastic As soon as

518
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Speaker 2: a new Zelda appears on switch To then I will

519
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Speaker 2: consider buying one.

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Speaker 4: Let me, let me adapt my take because my brain

521
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: is like a sieve that doesn't work on this. It's

522
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: about like a comic book issue and who drew it.

523
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 4: But like I guess, for me, I saw the general

524
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Speaker 4: public outside of gaming conversation and purchase ability of the

525
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 4: switch and who was buying it and how much they

526
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: were selling of the switch. When Animal Crossing came out,

527
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Speaker 4: that was like that gave it, I guess a second

528
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Speaker 4: wave of probably like popularity. I guess because it didn't

529
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Speaker 4: launch with something as groundbreaking and different as Breath of

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Speaker 4: the Wild.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we're still.

532
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Speaker 4: Waiting for that first kind of wave and then obviously

533
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Speaker 4: hopefully that that will continue with more games. But I

534
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Speaker 4: don't know now if there is a Breath of the

535
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Speaker 4: Wild or even Animal Crossing new Leaf kind of crossings, Pokemon.

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Speaker 7: Legends, Yeah, I mean that will sell units. Pokemon will

537
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 7: sell units, even if it's.

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Speaker 3: None of those. I love the Switch Pokemon games.

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00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 4: It's really gotten me back into Pokemon, the kind of

540
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: more open world nature of them, but they have not

541
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Speaker 4: necessarily been widely beloved or particularly seen as running well

542
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 4: on the Switch, so I'll be interested to see how

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Speaker 4: that changes.

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Speaker 7: One quick news story to hit on. There have been

545
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 7: rumors that Switch to developer kits are really difficult to get,

546
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 7: and a lot of developers have reached out to Nintendo

547
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 7: and they're saying, like, just use the switch one for

548
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 7: right now. Ah So a lot of like indie and

549
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 7: big name developers are unable to develop for Switch too yet,

550
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 7: which is strange considering the system has sold so well.

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00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 7: We are still getting new things coming. So I think

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Speaker 7: that it will have plenty of exciting, very good games.

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Speaker 7: I do think right now, if you are not someone

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Speaker 7: who like Rosie or I grew up with the original

555
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 7: Donkey Kong Country, if you're not dying to play Donkey

556
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 7: Kong right now, wait a little bit. It will still

557
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 7: be there and it will still be great, and you

558
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 7: can find thousands of later in six months when there's

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Speaker 7: another game you're really excited about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, to the both of you, what is your what

561
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: is the number one independent game that you guys are

562
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: playing on the non Nintendo game that you're playing on

563
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Speaker 2: the switch.

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Speaker 3: To mine what mine has been.

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Speaker 4: I have been playing Tiny book Shop, but honestly, there

566
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: are so many fantastic games on there. I have purchased

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Speaker 4: multiple games. I actually, controversially have been deeply get enjoying

568
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 4: Tales of the Shia, which everyone says is really bad.

569
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Speaker 4: But I don't think it's really bad. I think it's

570
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 4: just a cozy game, but with a big ip, so

571
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: people who don't usually play them are now playing them,

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Speaker 4: so that one has been really good for me. I

573
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: think Tiny Bookshop is a masterpiece, though, and I think

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Speaker 4: people will come to see it that way the longer

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00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: it is on there.

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Speaker 3: Aaron, how about you?

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Speaker 7: I have played two games on the Nintendo Switch to,

578
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 7: Donkey Kong and Mario Kart, So I step out of

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Speaker 7: this question.

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Speaker 9: Can I?

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Speaker 4: I've got a question for you guys. Then let's end

582
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: on a silly one conspiracy theory. What are the what's

583
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 4: the likelihood that the scarcity worries about the switch to

584
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Speaker 4: massively drove up the purchase ability and purchasing of them

585
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: because it was very easy to get my switch to

586
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Speaker 4: in the end, do you think that had a big

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Speaker 4: impact on how much it's sold?

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Speaker 3: At launch?

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Speaker 7: It was very difficult for me to get one. I

590
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 7: tried multiple times going to local redealers and they would

591
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 7: have one or they would have none, and then I

592
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 7: finally ordered one online. Actually, thank you to big box stores.

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Speaker 7: I guess. I know that's a bad take, but it

594
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 7: came in and yes, a Boo has a really good

595
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 7: point in the chat, and this is why I bought

596
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Speaker 7: it recently too, the possibility of tariffs hitting and it

597
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 7: going up in price. Sure, it made me want to

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00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 7: get it sooner rather than later, so that definitely I

599
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 7: think has helped sales.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining me on here, where

602
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: I had probably my funniest bad take of all time.

603
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: I love Zelda Link, don't come after me.

604
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 4: I like you and your sexy fish boyfriend just as

605
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 4: much as the next person. Let's head to a break

606
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 4: and we will sludge it up with my chat with

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Speaker 4: Toxic Avenger director Mae com Blair.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Rosie Carmen, how's it going. It's going very well,

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Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you all.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm really excited. I'm a huge I'm a huge

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Speaker 10: Trauma fan.

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Speaker 1: But also I actually love.

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Speaker 10: Like all your work.

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Speaker 1: You're great.

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Speaker 11: I'm I'm like the world's Biggest swamp Thing fan, So

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Speaker 11: I love you as a stranger. Yeah, it's like a

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Speaker 11: role I really loved and just had a lot of

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Speaker 11: a lot of fun with. So I was stoked to

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Speaker 11: get the chance to chat to you about this, but

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Speaker 11: also just to say, Hi.

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Speaker 1: That's so kind, thank you. I fuck one thing is

622
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Speaker 1: my favorite and I was so I just over the

623
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Speaker 1: moon that I got to work on that.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was so so fun. I was really hoping that

626
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Speaker 1: they would do another.

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00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 11: It was truly an early part of the wild kind

628
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 11: of media landscape that we're living in now, where.

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Speaker 3: You're like, is it gonna get made?

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Speaker 1: Is it gonna keep going?

631
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Speaker 3: Like nobody knows.

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Speaker 9: It was such a big like the set for the Smalls,

633
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Speaker 9: and I couldn't imagine that they would do that whole

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Speaker 9: thing and then not.

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00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Double down on it. But yeah, that was kind of

636
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: you to say thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 11: No, I feel and I feel like there is like

638
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 11: a kinship between like swamp Thing and Toxic Avenger and

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00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 11: kind of these like not supposed to be hero heroes

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Speaker 11: who kind of find their own ways. Could you talk

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Speaker 11: a little bit about your first experience with like Toxic

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Speaker 11: Avenger and Troma and and kind of finding those as

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Speaker 11: I'm assuming a young, young, aspiring filmmaker.

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00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: You assume correctly, And that's exactly what it was. It

645
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: was the.

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Speaker 9: Mid to late eighties, and you know, my buddy's older

647
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 9: brother was like, you got to check this movie out.

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00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 9: And it was very, very formative because we happened to

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Speaker 9: see it at just the right age where that sort

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Speaker 9: of the sense of humor, you know, it kind of

651
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Speaker 9: has like a sophomoric quality to it.

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Speaker 1: We were just the right age to sort of appreciate that.

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Speaker 9: And it was also right at the time when we

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Speaker 9: had just gotten our hands on a VHS camera. It's

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Speaker 9: kind of new and exciting at the time, and we

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Speaker 9: were figuring out how to make our own movies. And

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Speaker 9: this was the first Toxic Avenger.

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Speaker 1: Seeing it was at least that I can think of,

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Speaker 1: one of the first, if not the first movies that

660
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, it looks like they like

661
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: just made this on their own, like.

662
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 9: Just out in a street that it was like studio

663
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 9: movies and Holly would and movies were magical and huge

664
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 9: and very and this was like I think they just

665
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 9: ran around their town and did it themselves and It

666
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 9: was very empowering in that sense, and then also the

667
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 9: tone and the vibe of it, where.

668
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: Like, you know, you rip off somebody's arm and that's

669
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: a joke became We sort.

670
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 9: Of absorbed that into the movies that we were trying

671
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 9: to make at that time, and so at in a

672
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 9: foundational way, it was. It kind of carried a lot

673
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 9: of weight for us.

674
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 11: Yeah, what was the I mean, this is kind of

675
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 11: I feel like this is a as somebody who like

676
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 11: loves the Toxical Lender, I feel like maybe this is

677
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 11: kind of a silly question because I would have just

678
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 11: been like, yeah, I'd love to welcome that, But what

679
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 11: was it about the about toxy and about this kind

680
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 11: of new vision of trauma that inspired.

681
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 10: You to make this like your second kind of feature.

682
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: They legendary got the right.

683
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 9: They partnered with Trauma to get the rights in like

684
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 9: twenty nineteen, and they were soliciting pitches and and and

685
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 9: I was one of the people that they that they

686
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 9: talked to about it. And my first thought, if I'm

687
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 9: being really honest, was kind of like, Toxic Avenger is

688
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 9: this singular like it it endures and it's loved because

689
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 9: it's this it's got this trauma quality.

690
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: What the fuck are we doing? But then it occurred

691
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: to me that, like.

692
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 9: I went back to them and said, actually, I would

693
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 9: like to pitch it because I had been trying to write.

694
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 9: I had written several scripts and was trying to get

695
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 9: them get them made, and they all had and I

696
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 9: didn't realize it at the time. They had this kind

697
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 9: of trauma sort of quality where it's there's a monster

698
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 9: at the center, and it's it's very funny and it's

699
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 9: kind of sweet, but there's like gore that's played for laughs,

700
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 9: all these sort of ingredients, but they weren't based on anything,

701
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 9: and so they were never made. They weren't going to

702
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 9: get sold, and all of a sudden they were like

703
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 9: toxic Avenger. And it occurred to me like, this is

704
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 9: kind of that type of thing that I've been trying

705
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 9: to do, but it's attached to an ip that could

706
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 9: actually get made. So that was very alluring, and I

707
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 9: went in and started pitching, not story ideas or anything,

708
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 9: but just general sort of this is how I would

709
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 9: approach it. And honestly, I was kind of expecting at

710
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 9: any moment like this is not going to work. They're

711
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 9: just gonna be like we wanted to be a PG.

712
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 9: Thirteen or are gritty or whatever it was. And to

713
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 9: my surprise, they responded to what I was saying, which

714
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 9: is that like it should be a person in a suit,

715
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 9: it should be rated R, it should be very silly,

716
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 9: you should have like a juvenile sensitive humor. It should

717
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 9: be kind of sweethearted in certain ways, and just thinking

718
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 9: the whole way. At any moment they're going to be like, nah,

719
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 9: I do That's not what we want. But they said yet,

720
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 9: And then I was like, oh shit, I guess I've

721
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 9: got to write it now, so I.

722
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 10: Gotta make it. But what does that feel like?

723
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 8: Because the movie is so unique and it totally feels

724
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 8: like it is and this is like incredibly kind of

725
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 8: just singular, but it really does feel exactly like what

726
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 8: it is, which is a Troma movie made in the

727
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 8: twenty twenties.

728
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 11: What did it feel like to actually get to make

729
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 11: it and have I love the way that you use

730
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 11: the mop and kind of the big gory fun shots

731
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 11: like when you were actually getting to make it and

732
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 11: make it in a way that still felt like a

733
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 11: B movie, still felt like a kind of rebellious version

734
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 11: of cinema. What did that feel like is you were

735
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 11: kind of going through the actual process of making the film.

736
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: I was talking earlier about how like we saw the

737
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: movie when we were kids, this group of friends and

738
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: it's a group of friends that we're still friends with today.

739
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 9: We had a little group and we called our production

740
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 9: company but Stupid Pictures. And so now I'm in Bulgaria

741
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 9: on this big set that's where they're building rooms that

742
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 9: I've sort of designed and talked about, and there's famous

743
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 9: Hollywood actors that are here and they're saying and on

744
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 9: one level during the day you have to be I

745
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 9: felt like, okay, this is like we're here to do

746
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 9: a job, and this is where super professional and here

747
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 9: we go. And yet there were moments where I had

748
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 9: to text my buddies. I was like, they're letting me

749
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 9: make a fucking but stupid.

750
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: Movie on like Hollywood terms.

751
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 9: And at any moment I was like, someone is going

752
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 9: to come over here and say that, like you have

753
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 9: to go home, you're fired.

754
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: And it never happened. It was really.

755
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 9: It was very surreal and kind and so much fun.

756
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 9: Just like it was very easy just to be like

757
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 9: what a dream job to get to you know, make

758
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 9: a movie like this that sort of like it feels

759
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 9: like I was getting to go back to junior high school,

760
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 9: my old buddies, you know, and and a movie on

761
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 9: a VHS camera, except for with these awesome professionals.

762
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 11: And I was going to say, it's not just like

763
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 11: an incredible professionals behind the screen.

764
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 10: But you have you know, Pia Dinklic playing Toxi.

765
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: You have Kevin Bacon, Elijah.

766
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 11: Wood obviously, Like what was it like putting the cast

767
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 11: together and finding that right balance of people who just would.

768
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: Totally go for it.

769
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 9: I mean, in some cases I wrote the parts for

770
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 9: the person. Elijah Wood's character, I wrote specifically for him

771
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 9: with him on a on a movie previously, and and

772
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 9: we just became good buds, and I really felt like

773
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 9: he would be so fun as an unrecognizable bad guy.

774
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: So it was very specifically for him.

775
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 10: Uh.

776
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 9: And then some of the others were just kind of

777
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 9: like we we knew that we were going to need

778
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 9: some kind of a name to be the villain, and

779
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 9: so it was you know, we had discussions about who

780
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 9: that could be, and you have no expectation that people

781
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 9: are ever going to even respond, let alone say yes.

782
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 9: But Kevin Bacon was one that I thought of that like,

783
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 9: I just think he's extremely funny and I people when

784
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 9: they think of Kevin Bacon, they instantly say like, oh, comedy,

785
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 9: but but but he's fucking funny as hell. So we

786
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 9: offered to him and I was like, he's probably not

787
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 9: This is not going to be his speed. He wrote back,

788
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 9: maybe not the same day, but it was like within

789
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 9: twenty four hours and not even like let's meet.

790
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: It was like I want to do this.

791
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 9: And so when stuff like that happens, it's it just

792
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 9: it feels like a gift, Like what a Yeah, we

793
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 9: were talking about the professionals.

794
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: Behind the camera, but you've got on fide American. Yeah.

795
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 9: I mean, like who else has a game about how

796
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 9: many movies they've been in but him. It's really kind

797
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 9: of I was just kind of overwhelmed with the with gratitude,

798
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 9: I don't know how else to say it.

799
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 10: Yeah, it must have been a really interesting situation too,

800
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 10: because watching the movie, I was just like, I don't, like,

801
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 10: I feel like movies.

802
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 11: Like this just don't get made, like, let alone movies

803
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 11: like this with incredible stars and stuff.

804
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 10: So how does it kind of feel?

805
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 11: Because obviously it's also making the movie you start talked

806
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 11: about twenty nineteen. Then with twenty twenty we got hit

807
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 11: with COVID, and then we're all trying to live through

808
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 11: the pandemic and people are making stuff, but you got

809
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 11: to do it in a safe way, and then there's

810
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 11: the strikes. And so how does it feel now, like

811
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 11: six years later, to be because obviously showed it a

812
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 11: fantastic fest. I was getting many texts from many friends.

813
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 11: I was very jealous after they went to that screening,

814
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 11: just being like, it's so good, we're gonna love it.

815
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 11: And how does it feel now to be like talking

816
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 11: about it and getting ready to kind of everyone to

817
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 11: be able to see it.

818
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 9: I'm gonna sound like a broken record, but it's just

819
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 9: it's kind of dizzying in some ways. It feels like

820
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 9: so long ago, and in getting ready for the release

821
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 9: where they're kind of like, you know, they're putting together

822
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 9: special features for the Blu ray and stuff, and so

823
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 9: I'm going back and looking at all these old photos

824
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 9: and old videos and just stuff from back then, and

825
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 9: it feels like in some ways a lifetime ago.

826
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: And so it's kind of strange for it to be

827
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: it's like a friend you haven't seen since.

828
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 9: High school and you're kind of like, we're gonna go

829
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 9: on a road trip together, Like I hope we're still friends.

830
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 9: But it's just been incredibly exciting. And I think a

831
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 9: big part of that is that center verse. You never

832
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 9: really know how the movie. Once it's done, your access

833
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 9: of control over it is. It kind of ends and

834
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 9: it's sort of hands and so I was kind of like,

835
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 9: know because it is it doesn't totally fit into a

836
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 9: mainstream sort of what's popular right now, and it just

837
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 9: doesn't and that's okay. But I was kind of assuming,

838
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 9: if I'm being honest, that it was going to kind

839
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 9: of evaporate into the streaming landscape out there, and that

840
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 9: was that. But then cinemas comes along and they want

841
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 9: to put it in theaters, they want to do this

842
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 9: and that and really seem to respond to it in

843
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 9: the way that I was hoping. And so it's been

844
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 9: this sort of like, oh, it was on the shelf

845
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 9: for two years. But the silver lining of that, which

846
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 9: I wouldn't trade for anything, is that it landed at

847
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 9: a place like this where they're a loving, full throated release.

848
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 8: Ye And.

849
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: You know, I just I couldn't ask for a better

850
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: final chapter.

851
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I live in I live in LA,

852
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 11: so I'm very lucky because we like so many fantastic

853
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 11: Rep cinemas here and Colt cinemas here. Even in South

854
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 11: LA where I live, we have a Guardina Cinema. So

855
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 11: I'm really I feel like it's really going to be

856
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 11: able to find a home in those kind of places

857
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 11: where people will still go and watch the original Toxic

858
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 11: a Benja, you know, an original Tromamrathons and stuff.

859
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: Too, exactly, I mean, And that's the sort of like

860
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: idea was.

861
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 9: And I always try to sort of when we're talking

862
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 9: about it to try to get this in, which is

863
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 9: the idea that this is not, was never intended, never

864
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 9: wants to be anything that.

865
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: Sort of replaces the originals to me.

866
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 9: In addition, too, in the same way that like, you know,

867
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 9: the Christian Bale batman does not replace the Adam West batman.

868
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 10: They're both there, they both exist, and they're both good

869
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 10: and get.

870
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: Both exist and they both doing their own thing.

871
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 9: And like you know, maybe there'll be more interpretations and

872
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 9: iterations of Toxic in the future, which would be great,

873
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 9: But it's like if if this. If all it does

874
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 9: is turn people onto the originals which are available, you know,

875
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 9: they just had the four K release and everything, then

876
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 9: that would be great.

877
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Also I know that I'll be getting a theatrical release

879
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Speaker 11: is so incredible and I'm so glad that's right. And

880
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Speaker 11: but I will say, just there's somebody who writes about

881
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 11: this stuff who loves B movies. I do think that

882
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Speaker 11: nowadays Chub is essentially like a new home for B movies,

883
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 11: Like they're making incredible B movies people can self submit.

884
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Speaker 11: So I kind of also am excited for whenever if

885
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Speaker 11: it does end up on there on.

886
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Speaker 10: Like a free space.

887
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 11: I feel like this could really blow up in that

888
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 11: way of like people finding it just because it's free

889
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 11: and available on TV, which is kind of a new

890
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Speaker 11: version of how we found like borrowing vhs from each

891
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 11: other or just seeing something that was being like rerun.

892
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Speaker 11: So I think it's got an exciting secondary part of

893
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Speaker 11: its release coming.

894
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Speaker 1: To Yeah, I mean to me, it's great. Did do

895
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Speaker 1: you have Canopy?

896
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Speaker 10: I love Canopy and Hoop, I love I love the library,

897
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Speaker 10: So can is incredible.

898
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great. But yes, I love those

899
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 9: sort of like open access avenues to for people to

900
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Speaker 9: discover different things.

901
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 10: So yeah, okay, finally, I just I don't want to

902
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 10: miss without talking back. She's so great.

903
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Speaker 11: Could you talk a little about Taylor Page and crafting

904
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Speaker 11: that kind of new character because she's just such a

905
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Speaker 11: standout and this was really in that beginning of her

906
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Speaker 11: career with like Zola and stuff, So could you just

907
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Speaker 11: talk about finding her?

908
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: She was so cool, That's what it was. Was.

909
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Speaker 9: I had just Sola, and I was kind of like

910
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Speaker 9: we kind of wanted this character to kind of offset Winston.

911
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 9: So he's the main character, but he's also very disorganized

912
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Speaker 9: and he doesn't have his act together, and he doesn't.

913
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Speaker 1: Have his courage yet. You know, he's sort of he

914
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Speaker 1: he needed some not a sidekick, but like a moral example.

915
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Speaker 9: And that was yeah, so we sort of like let

916
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Speaker 9: her do some of the heavy lifting as far as

917
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Speaker 9: like taking action and kind of being a badass and

918
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Speaker 9: and sort of like taking matters into her own hands.

919
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Speaker 9: And by proximity, he he learns that from her, like

920
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Speaker 9: I mean, he gets mutated, of course, but just sort

921
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 9: of like what to do next comes from her. And

922
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Speaker 9: I just thought she did a great job as far

923
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Speaker 9: as being like very subtle and very relatable, but like

924
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Speaker 9: you kind of buy that she would, that she would

925
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Speaker 9: be this sort of capable, action oriented character, and it

926
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Speaker 9: was just one of those things. I met with her

927
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Speaker 9: and we offered it to her very quickly, and she

928
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 9: jumped on board, and it was just, you know, it's

929
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Speaker 9: sort of like it's always a leap of faith if

930
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Speaker 9: you haven't worked with somebody before, like I live cool.

931
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Speaker 9: And she was such an asset of the movie and

932
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Speaker 9: just a lot of fun to hang out with, but

933
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Speaker 9: also just yeah, brought it on camera every day, a

934
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Speaker 9: lot of physical stuff, rounding and jumping and stuff, and

935
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Speaker 9: she was really excited for that too.

936
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Speaker 10: She ups the like cool factor.

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Speaker 11: I feel like if a teen watches the movie and

938
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Speaker 11: it's quite silly, they're going to be like, okay, but

939
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Speaker 11: I would that's who I would.

940
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Speaker 8: Be like in this role.

941
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Speaker 9: That was my hope was that, like, you know, Winston

942
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Speaker 9: is sort of like the underdog who sort of like

943
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Speaker 9: figures out a path, but she's like the cool one

944
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Speaker 9: who is cool from the first time you see her.

945
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Speaker 1: You know, she's cool from scene one to the end

946
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Speaker 1: of the movie.

947
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate this.

949
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Speaker 3: This is so awesome.

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Speaker 10: What would your We have a really lovely passionate fan based.

951
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 11: X ray vision, a lot of whom want to make movies,

952
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 11: So what would like your number one tip be as

953
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 11: someone who's making movies with your pals, Like, what's the

954
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Speaker 11: best thing for people who want to just make something?

955
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: I think surrounding the community aspect cannot be understated.

956
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Speaker 9: So surrounding your self with people that are supportive and

957
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Speaker 9: you can work on their stuff, they can work on

958
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Speaker 9: your stuff.

959
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Speaker 1: That is the only reason that I get to do

960
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: what I get to do today is because of that.

961
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Speaker 1: That's sort of how I started.

962
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 9: That group of friends that I was talking about came

963
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 9: up together and sort of that's that's how it worked.

964
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Speaker 1: So that's a big part of it.

965
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Speaker 9: I also think it's it's keeping as many things on

966
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Speaker 9: the stove as possible. I'm not saying this is the path,

967
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 9: but for me, like I was trying to write scripts

968
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 9: while also going on auditions, while also helping out on

969
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 9: other people's movies, and I think like having a lot

970
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 9: of different balls in the air ends up serving you

971
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 9: well because you never know which one is going to.

972
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Speaker 1: Work.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I really answered the constant pitch life.

974
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Speaker 11: I make comic books and I'm pitching like fifty cos

975
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 11: all the time. Yeah, that would never get made, but

976
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 11: sometimes they do.

977
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

978
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 9: And so if you put all your eggs in one basket,

979
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 9: it can be crushing when it doesn't work.

980
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 1: But if you have you know, it's a little easier

981
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: to be like, ah, fuck it, that one didn't more.

982
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: I'll pivot to this for a while.

983
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Speaker 11: And so, yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate it

984
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Speaker 11: was great to chat to you. And yeah, congrats and

985
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 11: have a great day.

986
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Speaker 10: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Hope to see you.

988
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: Okay, let's welcome all the super producers back into the

989
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 2: chat to discuss their rex for this weekend. Carmel, let's

990
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: start with you. What are you? What are you get

991
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: me up to?

992
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 6: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna cop out a little

993
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 6: bit here. I had a really crazy busy weekend this

994
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 6: past week and I ended up at dragon Con with

995
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 6: no plan to be there, just ended up there. But

996
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 6: I want to rest this weekend. And Rosie has been

997
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 6: texting me a lot about the Tales of the Shire

998
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 6: game and I'm sold on it. I'm going to be

999
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 6: downloading Tales of the Shire this weekend, and yes, we're

1000
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 6: covering and resting, and I'm gonna let you know how

1001
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 6: I feel about it next week.

1002
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Speaker 2: That's also Joelle.

1003
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Speaker 3: This is so wild.

1004
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: Okay.

1005
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 5: So my brother and I were rachilling watching TV and

1006
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 5: we got through Netflix and we were like, let me

1007
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 5: just see what's in the sitcoms on Netflix right now.

1008
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 5: So we're perusing through two thousand sitcoms and we stumble

1009
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 5: upon The Bernie Mac Show and I was like, oh God, damn,

1010
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 5: this show used to be so funny.

1011
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: I think I'm just gonna been to the Brady Mac

1012
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: Show this week.

1013
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 5: I think I'm just going to relive two thousands glory.

1014
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 5: We lost one way too soon, So I'm excited to

1015
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 5: just live in sitcom binge mode for a weekend to

1016
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 5: be fun.

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Speaker 7: Aaron, weady for seven hours of no longer commercial free.

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00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: It is opening.

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Speaker 7: By the time you're hearing this, we will have had

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Speaker 7: the first game of the NFL season. I'm a huge

1021
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 7: NFL fan.

1022
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: Here we go.

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00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 7: There are a lot of great storylines this year. Some

1024
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 7: of them also involve pop stars getting engaged, but that's

1025
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 7: totally fine. It's the big year.

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00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 3: Okay, Aaron. You know, take your guess right now, who's

1027
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: going to win the Super Bowl.

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00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 7: I would love to say the Buffalo Bills, who are

1029
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 7: my team, but I know better than that.

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00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: It's a crucial, crucial season for.

1031
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Speaker 7: Them, exactly. I mean another obviously, Kelsey and Taylor Stift

1032
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 7: got engaged, but Josh Allen, don't forget, got married to

1033
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 7: our star of Sinners and Hawkeye and Spider.

1034
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: Verse, Filipino Philipino clubs of top culture today.

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Speaker 7: So you know, look, I'm a huge Bills fan. I

1036
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 7: would love for them to do well. It would be

1037
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 7: great to be able to watch a Bill's Super Bowl

1038
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 7: with my dad. I think the winners will be the Eagles.

1039
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 7: They're just there. They were so good last year and

1040
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 7: they are going to remain incredible. Really excited for the

1041
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 7: fantasy season, excited to see all the rookies, and a

1042
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 7: little bummed by some of the media changes that have happened.

1043
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 7: But you know, we'll see. If I don't know if

1044
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 7: anyone watches Red Zone, which used to be seven hours

1045
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 7: of commercial free football, and it will now be seven

1046
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 7: hours of football.

1047
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 3: Three hours of four hours of commercials.

1048
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 7: It'll be full seven hours, but it'll have a lot

1049
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 7: of a lot of commercial snuck in there. But yes,

1050
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Speaker 7: that will be my life for the next until February,

1051
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 7: will be every weekend watching football.

1052
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Speaker 3: I'm excited, Jason, how about you?

1053
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: I started a dead Wood rewatch kind of randomly because

1054
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: I was out of i'd come to the end of

1055
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 2: other shows I've been watching. Other shows I'm watching include

1056
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Speaker 2: the current season of Below Deck include. Other seasons of

1057
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: Below Deck include n y see the Next Gen on

1058
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: Bravo include and now include Deadwood, which I'm up to

1059
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: the third episode of season one and it's fantastic and

1060
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: it's great, and it stuck me right back in your

1061
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: duality of what we do I love, I mean dead

1062
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Speaker 2: What is this close in my opinion, in my opinion

1063
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Speaker 2: to Shakespeare that we have on television.

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: One more, Yeah, I'll just add one more thing. Because

1066
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Speaker 2: I am learning Spanish, I found this comedy YouTube channel

1067
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: that some of their sketches got adapted by Comedy Central

1068
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: Mexico and it's called Backdoor and a lot of their

1069
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: sketches are just really funny in the Spanish in Spanish

1070
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Speaker 2: and are really hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Oh I love that.

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Speaker 4: For me, I am going to be finishing up a

1073
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Speaker 4: really really fun book by one of my favorite.

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Speaker 3: Authors, Sarah Rawley.

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Speaker 4: This is something I actually was so surprised when I saw,

1076
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 4: because I somehow admissed that they were doing it. But

1077
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: Valley in the Comic Company is actually publishing a universe

1078
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 4: of superhero novels and Sarah did the Live Wire on

1079
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: and it is just so great and I'm really really

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Speaker 4: excited to have that kind of as my thing to

1081
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 4: read as I have back into La and I'm happy

1082
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 4: to be home and probably just also doing Halloween Hora

1083
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Speaker 4: Nights again when I.

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Speaker 3: Get back to La. Yay, Mudhouses. I love them. Thanks guys,

1085
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: thanks for coming to the group chat.

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Speaker 2: Well that's it for this episode. Thanks for listening to

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Speaker 2: Movie Back.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow with News News Bye.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason steps Young and

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Speaker 2: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abuza Part.

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00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 11: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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Speaker 11: Special thanks to Soul Rubin Chris Lord Kenny Goodman and

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