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Speaker 3: My fiance's cousin is problematic, but the whole family keeps

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Speaker 4: Cut him out.

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Speaker 3: Trigger warning brief mention of animal views slash animal death.

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Speaker 3: This will probably be a long post, but there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of information and I'd like to not miss anything.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember all of these events clearly, but I

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Speaker 3: will state if it's a blurrier memory or not. Older

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Speaker 3: events are definitely more blurry. First post on Reddit bear

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Speaker 3: with me. I would really like it from an outside perspective.

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Speaker 3: By the way, this comes from Maine Astronaut eighteen eighty three,

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Speaker 3: and if you were to spear your old stories, go

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Speaker 3: to our slash Okay Storytime subreddit. So it's sort of

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Speaker 3: a catalog of everything I've noted about this cousin. We'll

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Speaker 3: start from very early into mine and my fiance's really ship.

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Speaker 3: We've been together for two years since May of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two, and This was July of that year that

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Speaker 3: I met his cousin for the first time, who I

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Speaker 3: will call Travis. Fake name for fiance shall be Matt.

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Speaker 3: All Right, I twenty seven, female, am introverted, and I

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Speaker 3: am not a huge fan of crowds. But Matt thirty

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Speaker 3: mile invited me over to his uncle's birthday party and

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Speaker 3: I agreed to go, thinking it would be a smaller

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Speaker 3: kind of get together. It definitely wasn't on the small side,

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Speaker 3: but I managed and was introduced to plenty of people.

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Speaker 3: All right, okay, little party, Someone said, is Riley taking

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Speaker 3: Angie on today? I've not seen him preene so much? Ever?

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Speaker 3: Was preen read?

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Speaker 4: It's like like I can only think of another word,

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Speaker 4: like primply kind of get yourself dressed up and like fix.

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Speaker 3: You know, I am I prem right now here in

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Speaker 3: my max pre it's not a pret is a verbal. Well,

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Speaker 3: she might join, yes, can you make yourself look good? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so she might join.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's a word, it's a term that comes from

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Speaker 4: birds to pre.

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Speaker 3: Max preening right now. Eventually I was introduced to a

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Speaker 3: lovely lady who I deduced was Travis's fiance at the time,

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Speaker 3: who I will call May. Matt went off and I

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Speaker 3: remember correctly to find Travis so we could be introduced.

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Speaker 3: May and I were talking for the first couple of

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Speaker 3: minutes about her and how the baby was doing and

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Speaker 3: was taking its sweet time arriving. Y'all. She was really

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Speaker 3: just a sweetie and had great vibes. Matt eventually makes

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Speaker 3: it back and it introduces his cousin, Travis. So Travis

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Speaker 3: and May are fiances. I don't know how many other

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Speaker 3: people get this feeling, but I knew from the second

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Speaker 3: I looked at him he was bad news. I do

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Speaker 3: not know how to describe it. The instinct was saying

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Speaker 3: to avoid him at all costs. Think rude frat boy energy,

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Speaker 3: Chris jokes at other person's expenses are hilarious energy. What

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Speaker 4: Like he has the type of energy where like jokes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, oh my gosh, you look like you're so called?

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Speaker 3: Did you have so many layers on?

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Speaker 4: Should I do have three layers on? Right now?

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Speaker 3: She's about to be like, I'm cold.

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Speaker 4: Cold, No, it's perfect temperature in here right now.

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Speaker 3: Disagree. I trust my vibrator. What she said it her

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I put some emphasis on that.

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Speaker 3: I trust my vibe radar. Kept the conversation with him

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Speaker 3: pretty short, and it was announced, luckily that food was ready,

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Speaker 3: his family. We stayed for maybe a couple of hours

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Speaker 3: and then added out in first encounter with Travis. Second

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Speaker 3: We arrive and Travis is having a yelling conversation with

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Speaker 3: second encounter with Travis. Next encounter was for Travis' birthday,

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Speaker 3: which was a party bus that May planned way in

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Speaker 3: Everyone else comes practically at once, and Travis says no

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Speaker 3: babysitter and couldn't make it. The boys get to boozing

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Speaker 3: talking and ranting about relationships. But his friend is messed

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Speaker 3: So there was an argument between Travis and May. It

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Speaker 4: They're talking about the woman who Travis is engaged to,

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Speaker 3: and Joyce's booze. Well add stories Matt told me about

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Speaker 3: Travis here. I was informed Travis is a felon, but

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Speaker 3: make a gross threat. I'm not riding what it was here,

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Speaker 4: Wait, I'm sorry. He was like here and like Travis

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Speaker 3: Like, ah, interesting. Matt gets hit back and there's a

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Speaker 3: Matt left that encounter with broken ribs and I'm not

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Speaker 4: I guess, dude, why are you around this person?

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Speaker 3: Whenever guys getting fights they usually make up right afterwards.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't seem like they made up. Yeah, it seems

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Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of times where guys in school

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Speaker 3: getting fights and then the next day they're best friends.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy. I mean, people need to raise these boys differently.

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Speaker 3: They're just like well, because like, if you hate someone

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Speaker 3: They gets so frustrating at you and you just want

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Speaker 4: You need Okay, you guys need to teach boys how

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I want to find my brother. I fought my

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Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit different the siblings. But still,

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Speaker 4: I hope you're.

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Speaker 3: Not best friend brother, my best friend Rex. I'd probably

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Speaker 3: like punch them in the face a few jumps, now,

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Speaker 3: don't you Don't you ever want to like punches the

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Speaker 4: Sometimes there's a difference between wanting to do that and

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Speaker 3: I bet you one hundred bucks the next day they'd

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not disagree with that. You just say that.

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Speaker 4: Do physical violences, never needed.

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Speaker 2: We do it with our words.

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Speaker 4: Yes, use your words.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we hate world.

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Speaker 3: This is how it goes.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy. Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 5: If I got to like actual fisty cuffs with Dakota,

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Speaker 5: he has length reach. Yeah, he's much taller height on me.

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Speaker 5: She I got speed and I'm stronger, but still.

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Speaker 3: Boom, you're basically.

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Speaker 3: That first Christmas party was fairly uneventful, no big deal.

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Speaker 3: informed that their wedding was off and May no longer

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Speaker 3: To my knowledge so far, he just got cold feet.

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Speaker 3: Knowing what I know, I am now glad they're not married.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of Travis encounters from here on out,

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Speaker 3: but I was informed Travis and Matt talked on the

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Speaker 3: Travis has gotten a woman pregnant, and not just any woman,

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Speaker 4: Wait what about May? Did that end?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That's done, that's done. They brought up Oh.

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Speaker 4: Man, I missed that. Yeah, I was thinking about the fighting.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, dude, this happened to Dakota and he was like,

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Speaker 3: he was like stuck on one point. I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 4: We already read.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so not just any woman pregnant a married woman.

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Speaker 3: Travis for sure has gross front energy up until this point.

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Speaker 3: For a while, Travis is bragged about all the women

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Speaker 3: he has been sleeping with, and he makes sure not

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Speaker 3: Dang full goes both ways. You know what I'm saying. Guys, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I want to.

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Speaker 2: Talk about it. Not really know me neither.

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Speaker 4: No, okay, also thinking says have a feeling Matt and

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Speaker 4: dude even more even more, to be clear, could happen,

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Speaker 4: hopefully not be Hey, if you read the story I've

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Speaker 2: We don't speak of it.

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Speaker 3: add here that Matt is definitely a people pleaser. He

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Speaker 3: he said he's completely done with his cousin. Woho. I

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Speaker 3: I respond with the nice, sarcastic no way. They're leaving

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Speaker 4: My god.

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Speaker 3: He eventually comes to and defeatedly drives them back to

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Speaker 4: Dude, stop, why would you ever go? Why would you

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Speaker 3: The fights I was talking about earlier, they usually like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is terrible.

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Speaker 3: Matt keeps saying that he shouldn't have let Travis get

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: The only way I got to even remotely think about

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Speaker 4: just like watching her partner put himself in danger over

438
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 4: and over again, and he just can't seem to get

439
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 4: it through his head that just because this man is

440
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 4: family doesn't mean he should be around him.

441
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 3: Oh man, this is whack, dude, this is super whack.

442
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 3: We ended up going to the holiday with the decision

443
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 3: that if Travis was there, we would stop in long

444
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: enough to chat with his grandparents and Bell. We were

445
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 3: also planning to avoid his aunt Karen, as she accused

446
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 3: Matt of lying about the incident. On the way there,

447
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 3: three hour drive, Matt informs me that Travis did what

448
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 3: Travis did when he was younger to be a felon.

449
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 4: Okay, this is this is where the trigger warning is.

450
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 4: If you want to skip ahead, come back in like

451
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 4: a couple of minutes.

452
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 3: Oh goodness, I see you.

453
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 4: It's not that bad. I mean they don't. I mean

454
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 4: it's bad, but like they don't go into a lot

455
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 4: of detail about it.

456
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 3: It was like remember in open season. So basically there's

457
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 3: like a hunter and he's like, well, I hated the

458
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 3: deer hit my car, But like he's on the road

459
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 3: and he sees the deer over there, and he just

460
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 3: like moves his car over, hits the deer and keeps going.

461
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 4: Kind of what this is?

462
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I thought. Hey, it's John here og,

463
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 6: host of the show. We're gonna get back to these

464
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 6: juicy stories. But here's a quick three minutes of ads

465
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Speaker 6: from our sponsors. I was right, there was a dui involved. Unfortunately,

466
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 6: it's a lot worse than I'm expecting a lot of

467
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 6: uproar about this Travis. I'm alive to kitten, No, not

468
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 6: a kitten.

469
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: Ah. Matt pulled up the news article about it prove

470
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 3: that this guy sucks so much. Somehow he convinced his

471
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 3: family it wasn't true and they believe them. Another story

472
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 3: from the past of Travis is a friend of his

473
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: that passed away while they were traveling together by falling

474
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: off a balcony, which got me wondering if Travis hadn't

475
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: been involved in his friend's dead But that was just

476
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 3: a theory.

477
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 4: Ah ah, why are we how can you? How can

478
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 4: mad be like this happened? And then also I think

479
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 4: maybe this happened and then still be around this person.

480
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Travis and his need for booze has me thinking

481
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 3: he could do a lot of awful things when he's inebriated. Okay,

482
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: so what happened with kitten? He like hit it with

483
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 3: a car, that's it. We were out to dinner with

484
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: some of the family and they kept asking what happened

485
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: to Matt, which he would reply that he got in

486
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: a five that he shouldn't have gotten into. They fortunately

487
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: asked his parents when they weren't satisfied and told them

488
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: what happened with Travis after the holiday the next day. Luckily,

489
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: Travis wasn't at this skit together, but his mom would

490
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 3: call Matt a liar. She couldn't even look at Matt.

491
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 3: We headed out, Matt informs me his family is on

492
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: his side. Matt wanted to finish that job in Travis's hometown,

493
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 3: and it would be done, and would be done with

494
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: it as soon as possible. He calls me during the day.

495
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: I answer, and he tells me he panicked and was

496
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 3: freaking out because he thought the mailman knocking on the

497
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 3: door had been Travis. I let him tell me more

498
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: about it, and I suggest he has PTSD, which he

499
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 3: vehemently denies. I basically tell him there's different levels of it.

500
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: It's not all returning soldiers and stuff. He can feel

501
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: this way, he shouldn't be ashamed. It was a traumatic event.

502
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: I remember saying Travis is lucky. I don't remember where

503
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 3: he lives, which at least got a good laugh. Goodness, gracious, dude,

504
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: this guy got to get checked out. Guy gotta dude,

505
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 3: go to the hospital, go to a therapists like dude,

506
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: I think.

507
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: Needs therapy if he's gonna continue to be around us, man.

508
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, send him the jail.

509
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: Jail, low key, this kind of red fla.

510
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 4: I think this is a red flac too. I think

511
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 4: if I was Opie, I would be pretty frustrated.

512
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: If you're not gonna be able to take care of yourself. Yeah,

513
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 3: why would I think you can be take care of me.

514
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: I know you're trying to be tough, but like you

515
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: gotta know.

516
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 4: It's like you're putting your pride above one your safety

517
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 4: and also my safety because I don't want to be

518
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 4: around this person either.

519
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 3: I'll let the parents know about this stuff, like his injuries.

520
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 3: His mom made sure to get pictures for evidence, and

521
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: my mom let me know some stuff she found while

522
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: she was looking for negative reactions and such. In case

523
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: the concussion could mess with his emotional state could swing

524
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: wildly from happy to mad to sad in a moment.

525
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 3: He could go to sleep one night months from now

526
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: and not wake up. I'm still very stressed about this

527
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: being the case. The red in his eyes was something

528
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: that happens when your oxygen has been cut for too

529
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: long and you're seconds away from permanent brain damage.

530
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 4: This is for Matt. Yeah, I would kind of say,

531
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 4: like I would put my foot down a little bit

532
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 4: and say, like, I don't want to ever be near

533
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: this man. I don't I can't force you to not

534
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 4: be near him, but like, I don't know if you know,

535
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to say I don't know

536
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 4: if this relationship couldn't work out, but like if you

537
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 4: do that, but yeah, I would, I would make it

538
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 4: clear that it's serious. Yeah, you know, like stop putting

539
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 4: your pride above our safety as like a family unit.

540
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: Yaikes, yikes. My family is adamant that. He tells the

541
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 3: entire family that if Travis is invited and attending any

542
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 3: family gathering in the future, we will not be there.

543
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: We are a second chance family, but he absolutely spends

544
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: his chance. There is no forgiveness now in our opinion.

545
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: It was very quiet for a while until Matt got

546
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: a call from Block number and with his job that

547
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 3: unfortunately happens to clients sometimes, so he answers and it

548
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: was Travis apologize.

549
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: Now.

550
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: There was not one word of apology from the sounds

551
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 3: of it, just stuff like we're not girls being a

552
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: man about this, let's move on, etc. Matt says, I

553
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 3: forgave you, but I'm never forgetting what happened. Recently, we

554
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: needed a head to the store, so we made a

555
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: trip out and planned to good dinner. I'm joking with Matt,

556
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, he lurches back in one

557
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: eighties from the direction we were going. I asked what

558
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: it was all about, and he says, he saw He said,

559
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: he saw Travis. This was his reaction, catching a glimpse

560
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: of his cousin. What is going to happen at Christmas.

561
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: We finish up at the store in head to get

562
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: our dinner. We sit down and I bring this up,

563
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: and I bring up his reaction. He says he doesn't

564
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 3: want to talk about it. I bring up what I

565
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 3: always bring up, no matter how many times I brought

566
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 3: it up, just stopping by the grandparents and telling them

567
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: we will not attend any functions. Travis is in. He

568
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 3: says he can't do that, no matter how many times

569
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: I tell him, I'm not happy about his family being

570
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 3: a bunch of enablers. Nothing telling them while we're not there,

571
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: if I don't show up, he wins.

572
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 4: That's such a stupid mindset. He's winning because you're thinking

573
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 4: about him, because you're allowing him to be in your

574
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 4: life and you're not doing anything to stand up for yourself.

575
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 4: That's why he's winning.

576
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, you are enabling this.

577
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 4: If you just left, if you took yourself out of

578
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 4: the situation, that would be you winning. This is ridiculous.

579
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 4: I would be so frustrated as OPI.

580
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: That's just Travis, and he can mess up a million

581
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 3: and one times. When will it be enough? Will Matt

582
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 3: have to pass away for them to stop? Or could

583
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: they move past that too? He could have spun any

584
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: story he wanted. I mentioned if Matt had been the

585
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: AGGRESSI I'm sure it wouldn't be the same reaction from

586
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: his family. The quiet of it all. He would have

587
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: been ex communicado for sure. I asked if his grandparents

588
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: would let us know when Travis left their house so

589
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: we could go true dramatic something to that extent. Oh

590
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 3: my god, truth is, I'm getting angry and angrier about this.

591
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: I thought it would mellow out. I am mad. Matt

592
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 3: is constantly pleasing the family, doesn't want to stir the pipe.

593
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: He is such a people pleaser. But he's gotten so

594
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: much better about it, except for, of course, when it

595
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: comes to the family. Everyone apparently is staying quiet until

596
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: the grandparents are gone, and when Travis and his mom

597
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: won't be invited to any family events. I don't think

598
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: that's good enough, but every family is different. It was

599
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: while we were at dinner and I was brainstorming every

600
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: possible out and plan about everything. When I get to

601
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: informing the grandparents, he tells me they already know. I know.

602
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: If I were a grandparent, I would expect so much

603
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: better from my grandkids. I would drop Travis until he's

604
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: proven that he's bettered himself. He wouldn't be allowed back in.

605
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: From my understanding, Grandma has a special connection with Travis,

606
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: as they share the same birthday.

607
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: Who cares? Who freaking cares? Ah, you share a special

608
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: connection with an idiot?

609
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah that's yeah. Just because you share one day out

610
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: of three hundred and sixty five or three hundred and

611
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: sixty six, depending on the year, doesn't matter. Nope, that

612
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.

613
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 4: They suck.

614
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: Point is, there are only so many obstacles out there.

615
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: The family is remaining quiet while grandparents are alive and

616
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: then no more. Travis. Matt tells me, I don't have

617
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: to go. He knows I don't want him anywhere near Travis,

618
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: but he needs to spend time with his family. I

619
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: asked what hamas if Travis corners me, and he says

620
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: that that won't happen. I don't believe it. I know

621
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: I get pushedy on this, but this is the man

622
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: I love, and his cousin who could have unlived him.

623
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: I want to spend time with his family too. They'll

624
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: be my family within a year. So here I am

625
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: read it asking for advice, he said, as he wishes

626
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: we weren't in this position, but we are so far.

627
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: I feel like I have two options. I know Reddit

628
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: loves some drama. Do I stay with my own family

629
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: on Christmas? Or do I go to his family on Christmas?

630
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 4: Stay with your own family.

631
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: If I do go, I'm planning something for just in case.

632
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: I know how Travis is. I know he would absolutely

633
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: corner me, so I do plan on giving him one

634
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: more chance to back off, and if he doesn't, I'll

635
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: be telling him a new one loudly, well within an

636
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: earshot of everyone. Dude, I think your option should be

637
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: should I stay with Matt?

638
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Matt? What are you doing? I honestly think

639
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 4: I think that you should. I mean, if you do

640
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 4: decide to stay with Matt, then you absolutely should go

641
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: visit your your family for Christmas. Why would do I

642
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 4: would not want to be around a family one where

643
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: Travis is there, or two a family that allows us

644
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 4: to happen and is you know, not encouraging, but is

645
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 4: just kind of letting Travis get away with this terrible,

646
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: terrible behavior. One he should be in like jail for this.

647
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but they let him. They let him get

648
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: away with it. And now Matt's letting him get away

649
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 4: with it because he's been kind of trained to shut

650
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 4: up and not voice his concerns or his you know,

651
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: the problems that he's having with Travis. Uh, don't don't

652
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: go to the Christmas.

653
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: Don't go to Christmas family.

654
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, just say I'm going to my family for Christmas.

655
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: Be like yo. Matt might need to think this through.

656
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think he needs to. I think

657
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 4: at the very least, you don't necessarily have to like

658
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: end the freaking engagement. But I do think it should

659
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 4: be postponed until he can go to therapy for this,

660
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: because this is not good.

661
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: Therapy, start some anger management.

662
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 5: I guess I feel like absolutely like that that I

663
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 5: feel like that stems there too, Yeah, because it feels

664
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 5: like he goes zero to one hundred really quick.

665
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, like for no reason.

666
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think I mean, Travis is clearly a problem.

667
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: He's clearly, you know, riling up Matt and saying these

668
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: things that are probably very awful.

669
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: Riling up, ritting up.

670
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: But Matt twice has been the first to throw the punch. Yeah,

671
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: so or well he was the first time. On the

672
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 4: second one, it seems like there was a I don't

673
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: know Travis might have been, but like still.

674
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like goofing around and then like it.

675
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: Just gets two out of hand, It gets.

676
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: What just happened some punches.

677
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: Both of them are. Both of them are clearly like

678
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 4: used to solving things with their fists, And I would

679
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: not want to get married to someone who was like that. Yeah,

680
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: and again this is clearly more like ninety Travis is

681
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: in the fault here for all of those fights. But

682
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: I think it would it's only something to take a

683
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 4: look at.

684
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 5: Oh.

685
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I know him taking a risk with tearing him

686
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: a new one, but I'm at that enough is enough stage.

687
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure everyone would know who was responsible, should something

688
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: happen to Matt, myself or our animals or proper advice

689
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: is very much appreciated. Any other options are very welcomed.

690
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: I've excluded plenty of other Travis's moments, but there's plenty

691
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: of ammunition of his character here. This draggedong so much

692
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: longer than I thought it would, and I'm sorry about that.

693
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 3: But at Rambilly, I apologize. I've been typing this up

694
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: for days and I need advice very soon. I didn't

695
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: inform Matt and I would be posting this to Reddit.

696
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: I do hope that any comments we get will get

697
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: through to him more than his protective fiance seems to be.

698
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: We got an update. Yeah, hopefully this will turn him around.

699
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need to have a solid conversation with Matt,

700
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: and I think that's I think that's where you're at

701
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 4: because I would be young. This is annoying naming, says

702
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: Matt is the one in the story who left her

703
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: wife as a dog is attacking them? Remember that story?

704
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: Wait?

705
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 4: What is that true? Are you saying that they're just

706
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: like that guy?

707
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like I think it was an old story.

708
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember the story you're talking about. Kimble defenses.

709
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 4: I've known a good amount of people that get violent,

710
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: especially after drinking, and there's always a vibe shift. You

711
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: learn to click when it arrives, at least in a group.

712
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Like the great Samuel Donner said one time

713
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: on a drunk plane. While he was drunk on a plane,

714
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: I feel like the closest you can get to yourself

715
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: is when you're wasted. You were there beside me, We're

716
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: going to Paris. Yeah, it was like you, me and

717
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: then him, and I was like, I really feel like

718
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: my true self. And then he hit up one of

719
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: his uh, one of his old friends and was like,

720
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I feel like amazing. So I was like, wow, okay, real.

721
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: So whenever you're wasted, it really shows who you really aren't.

722
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: But we got an update. We got an update.

723
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: Hey it's Sam. We can get back to the stories.

724
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: But here's three minutes of ads from our sponsors.

725
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: We got a freaking update. Man, I will have a

726
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: solid talk tonight. I should not have budge from my

727
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: original stance. Update two, this is Matt whoa.

728
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: We got Matt's perspective.

729
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 3: I have to lead off with the question of my integrity.

730
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: I am not a coward. I am not advising the issue,

731
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: nor am I trying to force the amazing woman who

732
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: I love into a situation she does not want to

733
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: be in. I would defend her to my passing away breath.

734
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: It is not a matter of backing down to another family.

735
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: It is compassion for my grandparents. My family is close,

736
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 3: and my grandparents are the glue that holds us all together.

737
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: I'm torn by the fact that I am, in a sense,

738
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 3: being asked to give up what could be my last

739
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: time with them to avoid Travis. I have decided that

740
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: I can't avoid him my entire life, and I still

741
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 3: have a relationship with the ones I care about. Christmas

742
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: is our biggest get together. I don't like it anymore

743
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: than my fiance does. But I will not be a coward.

744
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: I am not scared of him. I have told Yeah, dude,

745
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: come on, I.

746
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 4: Will not be a coward. You are being a coward.

747
00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I mean, like, this notion that forcing yourself

748
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 4: to be around people who have actively hurt you and

749
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 4: those around you is you being brave is so frustrating

750
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 4: and so like my showman attitude.

751
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very much.

752
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 4: I'm not a coward.

753
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: I'm a mad man.

754
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 4: It's like, no, if you wanted to have a relation

755
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 4: one you could have had. You could have called out

756
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 4: a report against him for him hitting you. You could

757
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: have done that, and that would have not, you know,

758
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: done anything to this relationship too. If you want to

759
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: see your grandparents, go see them on your own time.

760
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 4: You don't have to see them at a party.

761
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: You have a relationship them.

762
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and it would probably be better to go see them,

763
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 4: you know, spend a weekend, do something with them. It

764
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be you hanging around Travis and people

765
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: that are letting this happen.

766
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, like, man, let's put in perspective. If he

767
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 3: if they would have held you in a like choke

768
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: hold for more like ten more seconds more, you would

769
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: have been here. Man, you would be here.

770
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 4: You would two people ganging up on you, and nobody

771
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: in your family is defending you.

772
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're like, oh, it's fine, you know, Travis

773
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 3: will be Travis.

774
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: You're just like, it is what it is, Yeah kind

775
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: of thing.

776
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: That's not such a messed up it, man, that's not it.

777
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 4: Putting yourself in a dangerous position is not being brave.

778
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've told ope, it is her decision to join

779
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: me or not. I understand and will back her decision

780
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. I have been in yelling mattress with

781
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: my parents over this. I had informed them that she

782
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: doesn't want to be there, and my mother, whose side

783
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: of the family this is, became very upset. After all

784
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: the arguing, we came to the point that her not

785
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: attending robs her and the family of getting to know

786
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 3: each other. Obviously, excluding the problems, all I have done

787
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: is bring this to her attention, which is all I

788
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 3: told my family I would do. I will not force

789
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: her to do anything she does not want to do.

790
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: As for safety, I would have never let her out

791
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: of my sight. Although my relatives have already stated that

792
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: they will be keeping a watchful eye, they are very

793
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: capable of putting Travis in his place if need to be.

794
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 3: My grandfather has been dealing with the beginnings of all

795
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: Timer's and for the reason Almer's, Alzheimer's all all time All's,

796
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 3: I would say I would say.

797
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 5: This Heimer like Heimer, Allheimer, Alheimer, Alzheimer's.

798
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 3: Alzheimer's, Alzheimer's Olsheimer Olsheimer confused, as it is the only

799
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: reason I have done things the way I have, I

800
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: will not make what could be his last memories about

801
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: me and my feelings instead of my love for him. Dude,

802
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about my grandpa and if this happened

803
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: between me and my cousin, which a version of this

804
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 3: low key kind of did happen, very like ten years younger,

805
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: mild version, and my grandpa was like, yeah, they probably

806
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 3: shouldn't be doing that. And then over years it got

807
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: better and it was fine, Like, dude, just like, oh

808
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: my gosh. As for Tree, some of my relationship, we

809
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: are done. He is nothing to me. I've made a

810
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: decision recently, after having the time to think clearly about

811
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: the events of that day. I have been placing blame

812
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: upon myself for allowing my emotions to rule that day. However,

813
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: I have decided that despite that, the actions of Travis

814
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: outweigh my transgressions. He showed me that day that he

815
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: doesn't care about me or anyone for that matter. The

816
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: person I thought I knew isn't him. I was under

817
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: the impression that he looked up to me from his

818
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: own words, and that I could be a good example

819
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: in his life. It wasn't a matter of not caring

820
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: about his wrongdoings. I've called him out several times. He

821
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 3: has hiden his true nature for years. It is only

822
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 3: recently that I've truly seen behind the curtain. He has

823
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: been very convincing about things, bank that he wasn't the

824
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: one who unlive the kittens, that he took the blame

825
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 3: for someone else. As for the kid who passed away,

826
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: Nobody that was there will speak a word of what

827
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: happened that night except that he slip and fell, and

828
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: that it's only rumors if Travis was to blame. Dude,

829
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: this is what we got to do here. This is

830
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: what we gotta do here. We have to get some interrogator,

831
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: some like you know mind mentalists, you know, kung fu specialist,

832
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: to talk to Travis and everyone that was there that night,

833
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: because this is like what TV shows and like movies

834
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: are made of, and ask what happened that night? I

835
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: can get the truth. Kittens, the kittens, No, the guy

836
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 3: that get him locked up? For sure.

837
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: I also think I don't know if I fully believe

838
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: that Travis just kind of at like recently became this person,

839
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 4: because Opie said literally upon first meeting him about it,

840
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: she was like, yeah, bad vibes.

841
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean he became a bad person. I

842
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: think that night whenever he was as a kid, like

843
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 3: it's always been something. Yeah, it's always been something, And

844
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: it's always been that family that's not been like giving

845
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: travesty right amount of attention that he should have. Don't

846
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: forget the vibratar of Behest exactly. I will admit it

847
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: has crossed my mind in the past, but I believe

848
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: in innocent until proven guilty. I definitely believe he would

849
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: be capable. But that is all I can do. A

850
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 3: lot of the stuff I have only learned myself more recently.

851
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: I had no knowledge of much of it. It wasn't

852
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 3: that I didn't care. It was that I was fooled

853
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: into thinking he was listening and changing. All that being said,

854
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: I'd forgiven him for our first brawl. I chalked it

855
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: up to waste it in stupidity. None of this is

856
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 3: meant as excuses for him, just reasons as to why

857
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: I was so blind to his true nature. Looking back

858
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: with clear eyes, I see all the lies of manipulation.

859
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: I was naive not to see it stacking up the

860
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: way it was before. As for the fight, in my

861
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: ability to defend ope. I was blindsided and choked out

862
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: by his lackey before either of us got a second swing,

863
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 3: and I never even had the chance to defend myself.

864
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 3: I'm perfectly capable of holding my own in even if

865
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 3: I couldn't. You can bet that if I came to

866
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: defending her to my last breath, I would fall on

867
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: that sword willingly a thousand times over.

868
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: But she doesn't.

869
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: That's that's not the point, not the point.

870
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: She doesn't want you to pass away. She wants you

871
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 4: to take yourself out of that situation so that you

872
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 4: have a relationship with her alive.

873
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 5: No, baby, you'll remember how brave I was for that

874
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 5: stupid fight I did.

875
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: Oh, that's such a frustrating being like, yeah, I would,

876
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 4: I would pass away for you, Like, no, I want

877
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 4: you alive.

878
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about honor.

879
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 4: It's it's such a stupid mindset.

880
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, stupid.

881
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: I might have been choked out, but I can tell

882
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: you this, My last memory was me still trying to

883
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: fight them off. Long story short, I'm not the sniveling

884
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: weasels some of you have made me out to be.

885
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: I'm letting make her own grown up decisions, so am I.

886
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: It is not an ideal situation, but whatever her decision is,

887
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: she is allowed to do that. I have told her

888
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: I will not make her do anything she does not

889
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: want to do, and that I will back her. She

890
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: has informed me that she will not be there if

891
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: he is, and I back that I won't lie. I

892
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: did not know what to say at the moment, because

893
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 3: I'm not looking forward to dealing with the family's side

894
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: of things, but I am going to honor her wishes.

895
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: As for me, I do not know whether I will

896
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: be attending or not at all. That is all I have.

897
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 3: An update.

898
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 4: Three, let's get into it.

899
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: Originally I was planning on responding to a lot of

900
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: the comments, but I find that it's the polite thing

901
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: to do and I don't really need to do that.

902
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: There seem to be a lot of missing the mark comments,

903
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 3: and I had been planning on adding slash context editing

904
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: to the clear up what seemed to be the confusion,

905
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 3: which fair I still could do, but we're deciding to

906
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: move on. Matt and I had a nice, long adult

907
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: conversation a couple of nights ago and informed him read

908
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: its comments were harsh, but not to what extent he

909
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: read the comments after I left for the night. Neither

910
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: of us is very satisfied with what we've found, but

911
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: hey whatever. At the very least, I can thank the

912
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: responses for being so incorrect that we had our grown

913
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 3: up talk. It is a very serious issue, and everyone

914
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: handles things in their own ways. My family prefers to

915
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: simply cut contact and be done. His not so much,

916
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: not yet anyway, I'm not leaving Matt go ahead and

917
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: hmmy with the sinking ship fallacy. But I know you're wrong,

918
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: basically like going down with the ship. Yeah, I will

919
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 3: be attending Christmas with his family. Que the responses of Op,

920
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 3: you're stupid, blah blah blah, I don't care. Like I said,

921
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: we had an dull conversation and I need to be

922
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: there to watch the hope in Travis's ey'd fade when

923
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: he realizes he's not manipulating anyone anymore. No one at

924
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: that Christmas party will be warm, welcoming, nor to converse

925
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 3: with him. He has not only gone too far, but

926
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: he's the middle of the ocean with only a live preserver,

927
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: and he only has himself to blame. By the way,

928
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: we will blame you if you don't go to your

929
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: favorite podcast platform right now, search up okay, story time

930
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 3: and see stories just like this one. Just go there

931
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: and the blame will not be put on you.

932
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 4: It's true.

933
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: Yie, Oh, this is what happens.

934
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 4: Frustrating, Like what are you talking about? You're like, oh,

935
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 4: everyone's gonna hate on him? Then why is he coming

936
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 4: to this party?

937
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

938
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 4: Dude, why was he invited?

939
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: Still, he's a snake. He's a snake.

940
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: Why do you have to I don't know, he's family.

941
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 4: Like, you've spent this whole story being like I don't

942
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 4: like you don't need to be around him, blah blah

943
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: blah blah blah, and then you switch up at the

944
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: end and be like, I want to be there.

945
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 3: What bethany, Well, at least they're match for each other.

946
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: They're both dumb. Yeah, truly facts, yikes, Like everything you

947
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 3: worked for literally the whole.

948
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 4: Thing was about you being like I don't want to

949
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 4: be there. I'm not going to be around him.

950
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: And then you're like, we had an adult conversation and

951
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: I need to be there. Okay, why, opie, why?

952
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 4: I don't know what you think you're proven.

953
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: Of course I do need to be there to see it.

954
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 3: It's one thing to say something will happen. It's another

955
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: thing to witness it. Comments got particularly nasty and just

956
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: downright rude, which you open yourself up for when you

957
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: post something on the internet. But it's just understand it

958
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: loses you points of credibility. In my book, hope you

959
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: all have a merry Christmas slash happy Holidays and a

960
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: happy New Year.

961
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 4: This is super frustrating.

962
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're like, oh I was wrong.

963
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 4: It's like, no, you weren't. We're wrong. The whole time

964
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 4: we were on your side and then you switched up.

965
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 4: Man Bug says it's giving Dormat thinks he's a guard

966
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 4: dog and that's so sad. Yeah, Jilli fine, says think Tank.

967
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 4: The family just sit them down and be like, f Travis,

968
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 4: Am I right, thoughts.

969
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: I'm myriad?

970
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 4: Yeah? Am I right?

971
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? Dude, Matt, Like, uh, this just hurts to see

972
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 3: because I've been around families like this, Like I understand

973
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: the dynamics of big families, and you know, you have

974
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: some loose cannons in there. You work with you still

975
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: be nice, still keep them checked up. This this is different,

976
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: gone way too fond.

977
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: The thing is that sometimes you have family members that

978
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: you don't like that you have to be around. But

979
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 4: when a family member is actively physically harming someone in

980
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 4: the family, they're not good. They no one would allow

981
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 4: Like if that happened mine own, I don't think they

982
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 4: would be allowed to.

983
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: You know. Also, if we're going to this Christmas party,

984
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: I'm getting there early and I don't make sure there is

985
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: no alcohol to Yeah.

986
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 4: I would also say like, hey, we should probably tell

987
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 4: them to not have alcoholic here if this is going

988
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: to be a danger.

989
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 5: That'll update. And no comments from Op And this was

990
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 5: like a couple of months ago. Oh wow, nothing, Well,

991
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 5: the only thing I found it's just a funny comment

992
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 5: where it's just like Travis cheets. Matt doesn't care Travis

993
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 5: hits him, he doesn't care enough to report it. Travis

994
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 5: has his way too much on your fiance. One day

995
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 5: he will hurt you, and again nobody will do anything

996
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 5: about it. Matt is a fool.

997
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: Don't marry it.

998
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 5: Don't marry him until he files the police report and

999
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 5: gets therapy, or this will be your life.

1000
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: Op. It's literally it.

1001
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bethany says, I'm sure that him being ostracized and

1002
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 4: humiliated is not going to cause him to become violent

1003
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 4: and lash out. Bethany says, Travis is already volatile. They

1004
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: cause him to be ostracized, He's just going to lash

1005
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 4: it out, be harder. This is like beating the bear.

1006
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

1007
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 4: Oh, p's Oh, I'm gonna go and everyone's no, one's

1008
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 4: gonna want to talk to Travis and ah, the light's

1009
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 4: gonna leave his aye. Like, No, that's not what's gonna

1010
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 4: happen either. The people that you're thinking are going to

1011
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 4: uphold their side of the bargain are not going to

1012
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 4: do that because everyone seems to just let Travis get

1013
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 4: away with whatever he wants, yeah, or Travis is going

1014
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 4: to lash out, yeah, And both of those options are

1015
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 4: not good.

1016
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 5: It's going to get to the point like what we've

1017
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 5: said that oh piece of in the crossairs or like

1018
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 5: like in that crossfire and which we don't want.

1019
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: But maybe that'll see their ways. But even then I

1020
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 2: doubt it.

1021
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: I doubt it too. But guys, that is the end

1022
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: of that story. But if you love us, make sure

1023
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 3: to subscribe.

1024
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