1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heeart Radio. For 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: today's question, I'm asking one that I guess I kind 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: of talked about a little bit before. But do you 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: remember when you got your first period? I do. I 6 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: was twelve years old, and I had been excited about it, 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: mainly because I've watched way too many sitcoms about how 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: this is a celebration of womanhood and how um this 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: is such a big deal, and I'm thinking my mom's 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: gonna at least give me, like I don't know, a 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: present of sores that tells me about it. Instead, I 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: got sent to my nurse offas who handed me a pad. 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: Who I went home and my mom was like, okay, 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: well I'll buy you some pads, and that was the 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: end of the story. I was like, cool, cool, cool. 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: And then to that I probably had some of the 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: worst cramps ever and I hated everything everything. Yeah, and 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: it took a little while before I started wearing tampons, 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: but man, those ads were so uncomfortable and gross. Yeah. Yeah, 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: I was nine and we were going we were going 21 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 1: to a field trip to the Fox Theater. Yeah, yeah, 22 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: to go see the nutcracker, and I was very, very excited, 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: and my teacher came up to me and put her 24 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: hand on my shoulder and like whispered in my ear, honey, 25 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: I have to talk to you. And um, it was 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: as though someone had died, like she was breaking the 27 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 1: news that someone had died, and I had to go home, 28 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: and like I was wearing khakis, so it was really 29 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: obvious blood stain. And yeah, I know I've talked about 30 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: it before, but I thought you only got it once. 31 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: So I was like it hurt and I had horrible cramps. 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: I but I got to stay home and I got RBS. 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: I remember getting Arby's. Nice. I did have a celebration, 34 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: that's nice. Yeah, And I you know, I didn't realize 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: it was a real thing. And I did do the 36 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: thing where I thought I was dying at first. Um, 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: but then it was explained to me. So the second 38 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: time I got my period was much much worse when 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: I realized, oh this is oh right, Oh no, right, 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: why why is he continuing to happen? Yeah? Um, but yeah, 41 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: today we are finally talking about something I've I've wanted 42 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: to talk about forever. It's happening and we're talking about 43 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: my theory that almost all horror movies are secretly about 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 1: male writers and their fear of female bodies in particular periods. Yes, 45 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: I guess this is kind of like a two parter 46 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: because the next one is kind of on that same 47 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: idea at least like reality. Yeah, yeah, I had a 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: real revelation researching this that it's you know, it's female bodies, 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: but it's also just women horror. The genre is almost 50 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: all about our fear of women. I mean that's fair. Yeah, 51 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: they should be, damn right. Um. But yes, note, obviously 52 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: not all women have periods, and we are being hearted 53 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: about this. And again, not all people who have periods 54 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: are women, and we acknowledge that, and that is a thing, 55 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: and it is all true, and we understand and respect that. 56 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: But for this specifically, we are talking about women's bodies, 57 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: especially when we talk about the old school horror movies, 58 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: who really, really, really really really we're afraid of women. 59 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And as we record this and as you 60 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: listen to it, if you're listening to it when it 61 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: first came out, it's October, Happy Halloween, I know, my 62 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: favorite time. It's October one. Actually, the day we're recording this, 63 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: and I'm already like, should I get a pumpkin? No? 64 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: I was trying to get a pumpkin two weeks ago 65 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: and told someone told me no, like at the story 66 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: because they were there and I liked little mini pumpkins. 67 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: I love the putting googly eyes on there, like that's 68 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: my Jacqueline Arns, essentially tottle many ones. And they're like, no, 69 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: I want it. What stopped me is I don't want 70 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: it to rot before Halloween. And also, uh, now that 71 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm getting so many groceries at once, it was a 72 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: lot to carry. And I am someone who tries to 73 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: make what I don't like to go back and forth 74 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: from my car to my apartment. That's ridiculous. One trip, 75 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: one trip Annie, Yes, my, that's in your ni nickname. Yeah. 76 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: By the way, I definitely had two of my mini 77 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: pumpkins sitting on my balcony for two years. Wow. And 78 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: they didn't die. They didn't the last time. Actually, producer 79 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: Andrew was here over the house, so this was a 80 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: while ago, um over here and he and my partner 81 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: went out and they're like, what is this? And one 82 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: had slowly started to decay and the other one was okay, 83 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: but I think they it had gotten stuck to the 84 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: railing um and when they took it off, they threw 85 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: it into the yard because you know, that's what you 86 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: do with Gord's right, and apparently was disgusting, Like the 87 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: inside of it was really gross, but it was intact. Wow, 88 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: that's a shame. It was almost a part of your apartment. 89 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: Used it kind of did grow into my apartment. And 90 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: look what you did, y'all ruined my life. Well Happy Halloween, yes, yes, 91 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: happy Halloween. Um. So to the topic at hand, people 92 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: and particularly dudes, I would say I've been afraid of 93 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: women's bodies and their periods forever um throughout history, periods 94 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: have been viewed as a mark of womanhood or something 95 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: shameful and even evil, something that you hide. Some stories 96 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: believe a few religions may have developed in part due 97 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: to disgust and fear around periods. Numerous superstitions about periods 98 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: have sprung up all over the world, like don't bake 99 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: bread while you're your period, don't go to a funeral 100 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: on your period, don't call them in on the phone 101 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: on your period, heaven forbid, As well as etiquette rules 102 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: often preventing girls and women from interacting with boys and 103 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: men during menstruation, which I thought was when I think 104 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: about that, that's so interesting to me. It's like this 105 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: passing of sin I don't know. Um. And there is 106 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: also menophobia, which is legit phobia, fear of periods, um. 107 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: And just the fact that we call it the curse, 108 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: which I will say is kind of jokingly been reclaimed 109 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: I feel like in a lot of spaces, But uh, 110 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't always the case. Well, and like I said, 111 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: in my little generation, it was blooming womanhood. Yeah, you bloomed. 112 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I never ever encountered. It's fascinating to me 113 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: when you say you saw like these positive are like 114 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: humorous perhaps in this better word depictions. I never it 115 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: was always a bad thing to me. I've only seen 116 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: it as a bad thing. As as as I was 117 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: researching this, I was trying to think of one example 118 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: where it wasn't portrayed is just like terribly negative or 119 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: something to fear. And I think it's also the whole 120 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: like positive or the comedy wasn't necessarily just a positive. 121 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: It was literally turning in sexualizing and adulting, making a 122 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 1: child an adult by a marker which you are nine, 123 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: you are not a woman, but they would say that 124 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: you are now becoming a woman. Um me at twelve, 125 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: who's still you know, a little older. That is not 126 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: the age of becoming a woman. But that's absolutely a 127 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: backtrack idea of women getting birth and when they are 128 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: able to mate and so therefore sold off to you 129 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: are now able to have babies, You've reached adulthood. Here 130 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: you go. So it's not necessarily it's like the reclaiming, 131 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: but it is this backwards idea of why we were 132 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: called to me being a woman and being now seen 133 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: sexual because we've become able to be impregnated essentially, So 134 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: it's a positive, but a negative but a negative well, 135 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: and I think that's a lot of our tension around it. 136 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that a little bit more, 137 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: but kind of this tension of we have called it's 138 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: for so long a mark of womanhood but in times 139 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: like with me, I was nine, clearly not right, but 140 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: there's like this idea is still there. Um And I 141 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: do want to say, like we're not obviously going into 142 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: a history of people's views on periods, and there's been 143 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: several episodes past host have done on like superstitions around 144 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: periods or history of our our beliefs around them, and 145 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: there are some cultures where the period is celebrated. Um. 146 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: So I just I want to put that out there. 147 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: But today, because we're focusing on like the horror movie 148 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: aspect of it, Um, We're not going to do an 149 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: exhaustive history, but that that does exist, like it's not 150 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: so feared everywhere, um, but going back to when it 151 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: was feared of In Jewish tradition, the blame for the 152 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: curse and the less fun aspects of childbirth less than fun, 153 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: shall we say, are placed solely on Eve's shoulders. Of course, 154 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: the Talmud has this dare warning if an instrument woman 155 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: passes between two men, if it is at the beginning 156 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: of her mincies, she will slay one of them, and 157 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: if it is at the end of her mincies, she 158 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: will cause strife between them. Oh damn. If I've had 159 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: that much power to start walking in between some chosen 160 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: then can you imagine like men scattering like I would 161 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: just screaming the whole time I'm menstrating, and then try 162 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: to go away between all men part partying like a wave, 163 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: and then like what them shouting what part of period 164 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: is she on? Where are you? You will never know? 165 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Fear me right. So meanwhile, Libert because describes periods as 166 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: ritual impurity, labeling the minstrating women as impure and anyone 167 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: or anything that touches her unclean until the evening comes, 168 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: which is hilarious to this like time frame of when 169 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: this could be. So not only is this girl or 170 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: woman on her period impure, that impurity was believed to 171 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: be transferable by touch. So this is the beginning of 172 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: like a zombie apocalypse is actually the period. Yeah, you 173 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: know what, it's bad luck. Our modern reaction to it 174 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: is enlightening in a way because in theory, like we're 175 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: acting as though this is a great power, which is 176 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: fun to imagine, and people were running from as afraid. 177 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: But at this time I imagine women were afraid of 178 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: this too, and that it's like you don't want to 179 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: cause strife between men, like heaven forbid, and you don't 180 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: want a man to strike himself down. Not that there 181 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: weren't women. I'm sure that did okay with it, Yeah, 182 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: but I know that it was not just isolated to men, 183 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: that women were afraid to well. Also that also brings 184 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: on a bigger shame factor. And if you cause us 185 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: are you or which are you? Like? Impure? Who are you? 186 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: And so just having a period says you're impures as 187 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: you're sinful. So of course as that shape level to 188 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: that as well. Well, it's really insidious when you think 189 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: about it, because it's basically saying, these two men getting 190 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: a fight, blame that woman if she's menstruating, right, um, 191 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: never holding man accountable for their actions as per usual. 192 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: So many religious scripts prohibit sex during periods and also 193 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: recommend and cleansing bath to wash off the impurity once 194 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: the period is over. And by the way, that still 195 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: holds true today. I know a lot of people kind 196 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: of holds to that you're not supposed to be having sex. 197 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: I was actually taught that as a kid, that it 198 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: was biblical then not half sex, and that it was 199 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: imperio to have sex during periods, And even in my mind, 200 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: there's this whole level of like, oh, that's kind of gross. Wow, see, 201 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: I just kind of assumed you wouldn't. And then I 202 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: mentioned that to a good friend of mine in college 203 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I've heard it's actually really great. 204 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, hormones are all over the place at 205 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: this time. We know this. But yeah, actually I was 206 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: told that as a kid, um, and I don't even 207 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: I think it was one of my female relatives who 208 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: told me, yeah, it's gross, you shouldn't do this, as 209 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: she was an adult believing this. So I was like, okay, Um, 210 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: in some sex of Orthodox Christianity still forbidministrating women from 211 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: receiving communions. I can't imagine that conversation to come be like, ah, 212 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: I can't take part in communion today Church, I'm on 213 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: my period. That does sound so again shameful of Like 214 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: people are going to know that you're on your period, right, 215 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: you have to tell assume that you are, Like, you 216 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: don't have to say a thing the fact that you 217 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: didn't take communion or either you're a devil worshiper or 218 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: you're on your period or both or both, which is 219 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: so during Ramadan, however, women on their period may be 220 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: exempt from fast things, so that seems at least reasonable. Yeah, yeah, 221 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: and again, like it's so much we could talk about 222 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: if we were specifically focusing on all of the ways 223 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: around the world the period is viewed and treated. Um, 224 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: But we are talking about horror movies today. UM. And 225 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: we've talked about before how horror movies are a really 226 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: great reflection of what scares us as a society, and 227 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: clearly we're afraid periods. Um so much so it almost 228 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: qualifies as its own horror subgenre that is called supernatural 229 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: period horror. That's perfect, which I mentioned to a guy 230 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: friend the other day and he was like, are you 231 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: talking about like a horror movie taking place in like 232 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: the six And I was like, no, but I see 233 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: how you thought that. I don't see how you thought that, 234 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: like periods got exactly exactly. So Emily Soderback has actually 235 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: written a whole piece on this called Ghoul You'll be 236 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: a Woman Soon, Supernatural Puberty and the Horror of periods, 237 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: And she goes a step further in this article and 238 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: argues that horror the genre at large is intrinsically tied 239 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: to women, whether we're talking about the final girl, the 240 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: pregnant body as a vessel for evil, like the monstrous 241 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: feminine rape. Revenge movies are teenage girls having their first 242 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: period and just reeking havoc, usually supernatural havoc. Yes, And 243 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: actually I'm really glad I found this piece because it 244 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: has that really resonated with me, and I never really 245 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: considered it before, but now I do think a lot 246 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: of horror is about is intrinsically linked to women. I 247 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: think that was very astute, uh, and it is very telling, 248 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: as we were talking about earlier, that we rarely see 249 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: depictions of periods in our media, especially in my case. 250 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: I literally cannot think of a positive thing I've seen 251 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: about the period. But when we do, like most often, 252 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: it is as a construct in a horror movie. Right, 253 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: So I think I must have watched a lot more 254 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: like coming of age movies, and of course a lot 255 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: of it was more horror, like, oh my god, this happened. Um. 256 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: I also one of my favorite book, Judy Bloom just 257 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: as long as We're Together. Had a seen him that 258 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: as well, and it was fairly positive, but it definitely 259 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: makes out to be she became womanly overnight, she grew 260 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: heads and breasts, and I'm like, how's that possible? But 261 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: back to this, so the big question why are we 262 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: so afraid of them? And obviously our emotions come on, 263 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: we're so emotional. Donald Trump saying blood was coming out 264 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: of Megan Kelly's oh you know, wherever when she wasn't 265 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: nice to him. Was a great example of dude, how 266 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: old are you? And are you kidding me? And just 267 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: pretty much saying giving the excuse, oh, she's on her 268 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: period to dismiss someone's emotions so annoying. Yes, And I've 269 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: seen that played on TV shows repeatedly. Yeah, at that 270 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: come of the month. Yeah, Oh that's right up there 271 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: with one of my biggest pet peeves would take a 272 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: chill pill. Never ever say that to me. That's the 273 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: opposite of a chill pill. Is gonna happen? Damn, I'm 274 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: not to remember that. Don't say this to Annie. Take 275 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: a note, don't say during our games and battles? Got it? 276 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: This is and and the whole like our e P. M. 277 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: Messing is at that time of the month. Is that 278 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: the equivalent? Right? And I remember when I read it 279 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: was for this show. There was a study that came 280 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: out that said, actually, there's not actually, there's not really 281 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: that much definitive proof that you become more emotional right 282 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: during your period. It might be that you're cranky because 283 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: you have cramps and you don't feel well, but it's 284 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: not like a switch for some women. Maybe for some 285 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: women definitely, But for most women, it's not like some 286 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: switch goes off and all of a sudden you're like 287 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: a harpy. It's just maybe you're uncomfortable and tired, you 288 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: become a shrill harpy. Yeah. I think that's one of 289 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: the perfect examples, because there are people who suffer from 290 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: PMDD and that's a whole hormonal thing that affectual life, 291 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: not just on your period. And we know that. But 292 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: like I, I will say I definitely had really strong 293 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: PMS and really like strong symptoms to the point that, 294 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, a younger, I was looking at birth control 295 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: pill because it was affected my life so often, like 296 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: every month it did. But at the same time, it's 297 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: not to the point that I couldn't control myself. I 298 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: didn't grow things at people, right whatever. However, back to 299 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: the emotions parts. Social media platforms since doing images of 300 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: period blood as we know, and the hashtag period pride response, 301 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: which some also see as problematic. So it is a 302 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: back and forth conversation because I I as someone who 303 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: was born in the eighties and growing up in the 304 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: country and trying to figure all of this out because 305 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: like I said, I did see positive influences of that, 306 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: but also this like shame factor of that hiding the tampon, 307 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, making sure no one saw if you led 308 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: on yourself, you know, all those things. Yeah, not having 309 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: my male counterpart or my brothers were carrying tampons for me, 310 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: you know. Oh well, how dare you even being down 311 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: that aisle bring some shame. Um. But it does seem 312 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: like the over exemplify paition of hey, I'm gonna just 313 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: wear blood everywhere, So like it has to something like 314 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: I do get a little squeamish about that. And I 315 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: don't know if that's more so of my in like 316 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: ingrained this is shameful, or just like this doesn't compute. 317 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: That's something that I have shown, you know, where they 318 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: show off, you know. So it is like this back 319 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: and forth of like huh, And I think people in 320 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: my generation have that same kind of idea of like, yes, 321 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be hiding it, but at the 322 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: same time, I don't want to wear my blood so 323 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: everyone can see. Yeah. Um yeah. And just also the 324 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: conversation around you know, people who don't have periods, who 325 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: are women. Uh. That was a couple of years ago 326 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: when I remember this really being a big thing, um, 327 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: And I remember pieces of that conversation. So I think 328 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: it's great that to have that conversation that some people 329 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: are like, no, my period, and I'm proud of it. 330 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm all for that. But yes, always good to have 331 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: those and make sure we're being inclusive when we talked 332 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: about things like that. Um. So another reason I think 333 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: we're afraid of periods is religion. And I have been 334 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: watching a lot of horror movies lately, a lot, a lot, 335 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: a lot, and I've realized a lot of our horror 336 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: movies are religious in nature. And I know we've talked 337 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: about this Inmantha. I don't know if I've ever talked 338 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: about on the show. But when I was young, I 339 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: was very very religious. I think I have talked about 340 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: and I would lie awake at I think I'm going 341 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 1: to burn and hill And then I was a bad person. 342 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: And I can see especially and when we're talking about 343 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: older times and religion back then, when you didn't understand 344 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: the world around you, um, and you thought the period 345 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: of your period was shameful because it's in like religious text, 346 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: then it would be terrifying. Yeah, and you like the 347 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: shame It's one thing like the shame I feel. But 348 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: back when I was a kid, if I had thought 349 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: like this was some sign of my impurity and I 350 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: was going to burn in hell because of it. Yeah, well, 351 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: so it also puts this responsibility of my duty as 352 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: a woman who has now bled is to our children, 353 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: because this is the only reason for it. If I'm 354 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: not using that ability, I'm sending which has been that 355 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: old school text in religion as well, and and what 356 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: providing for a family looks like for women. But yeah, 357 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: absolutely carry the movie, which we'll talk about in a 358 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: little bit, is the epitome of that whole idea. Oh yeah. 359 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: Another reason I think people are fade of furious are 360 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: we are afraid of women's bodies. Um. We see this 361 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: with women's bodies as a vessel for evil, the bad 362 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: seed Satan himself, like Rosemary's baby, like being the mother 363 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: of that. And I was thinking about that and more 364 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: in depth, and it's almost always it comes down to 365 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: blaming the mother in these movies, or blaming the woman 366 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: in these movies. Um, but often the mother, like especially 367 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: in serial killer movies, it's like, oh, yeah, it was 368 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: the mom, she should have done X Y Z um. 369 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: And then I was like, well, the final Girl might 370 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: be an exemption, but I feel like the final Girl 371 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: is here's this pure, innocent woman who suffers and eventually 372 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: a man will get I don't know, like she's being 373 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: preserved for a man at a future dates, which her precious, 374 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: precious virginity, um, which is why she survives, is being 375 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: preserved for some future man. Well, we know the sequels 376 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: that come out. It's always never good and it's a 377 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: turn for hard trying to be a woman at this point. Yeah, uh, 378 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's also this fear around the transition into womanhood. Um, 379 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: we're very scared of young women, girls, young girls becoming 380 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: young women. We literally are afraid of fan girling. I 381 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: think about that article I read all the time where 382 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: the seemed legitimate. The author was like this terrifying trend 383 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: among young girls where they screamed together and lust after 384 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: this man's calm down. Not only do we not understand, 385 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: thanks to a long lack of science, uh, changing hormones 386 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: our bodies, Well, we also don't understand like changing emotions. 387 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: We're afraid of it, um. And we see this in 388 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: so many movies, and I know we've been talking about 389 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: this a lot lately. But I think this is in 390 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: part why all those father daughter post apocalyptic stories exist. 391 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: What could be more difficult and terrifying and altruistic than 392 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: a man trying to understand a teenage girl. What are 393 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: zombies compared to that? I mean the teenage boys you know, 394 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: talk about porn, great, talk about uh, tell them how 395 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: to fix the car? And teenage girls though, oh no, 396 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: oh no, what do I do? She would never want 397 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: to learn how to fix a car. Never, right, She 398 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be a part of my life. He 399 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: doesn't want to watch sports with me. And that is 400 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: a very very generalization of men. I know, yeah, absolutely, 401 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: but I mean that's the crop to um. And then yeah, 402 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: like we said earlier that the struggle between this idea 403 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: that a period makes a girl a woman, while often 404 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: still in a young child's body, which is unsettling, it 405 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: can be um. At the same time, this threatens the 406 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: patriarchal order of things. If the young girl is becoming 407 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: an independent from her father, no longer needing him, Oh well, 408 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: that's scary. She's independent? What um? And that might also 409 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: be why we see this father daughter dynamic or our 410 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: stand in father figure protector in so much media. And 411 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: I know we talked in Survival Horror about this, but essentially, 412 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: like you can have a a strong female character and 413 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: quotes that's really awesome, but there's almost always a stronger 414 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: male character that's protecting her. Yeah, the disillusion father who 415 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: kind of just walks away. Yeah. Yeah, and it's a 416 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: marker of how good he is if he stays around 417 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: and protects her. Right. Yeah, but okay, we do have 418 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: some examples for you. But first we're gonna fause for 419 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: a quick break for word from a sponsor, and we're back, 420 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, sponsor, and we're back with Carry, the iconic 421 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: religious horror movie. Yes, of course, this is probably one 422 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: of the most iconic examples of what we're talking about. Um, 423 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: So this is Stephen King's Carry. The book came out 424 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: in ninety four and the movie, directed by Brian to Palmer, 425 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: debut two years later in nineteen. Sissy SpaceX start as Carrie. 426 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: It was a shy, abused high school girl who was 427 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: bullied by both her religious mother and her classmates. And 428 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: when she gets her first period and the gym locker 429 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: room or classmates mocker, they throw tampons at her. They 430 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: shall plug it up. And Carrie, who has never had 431 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: any of this explained to her, believed she was dying. 432 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: Her mom h called it a sign of quote sinful 433 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: sexual fantasies. And this all happens to coincide with Carrie 434 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: developing powers, of course, delkinetic powers, which are symbolic of 435 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: her becoming a woman. When a cool prank leaves her 436 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: daust in pigs blood, representing her period, she turns those 437 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: powers indiscriminately on all in her path in a wave 438 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: of terrifying supernatural violence as her mom washes the blood 439 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: off her. In the end, she reveals Carrie was the 440 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: product of a rape that her mother quote in Joe 441 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: Voyd and that sin never dies. Yeah. Uh. And I've 442 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: never seen this movie when I wrote it, and I 443 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: still haven't seen it, uh, much to Samantha's uh chagrin, 444 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: But I did. I knew most of this from memory, 445 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: so it really left a mark on our cultural psyche, 446 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: and it received several awards. It received several nominations and 447 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: is regularly included on list of the top horror movies 448 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: of all time. Right, um, yes, I was very sad 449 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: to hear you say. Someone who loves horror movies have 450 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: not seen such an iconic movie. Um, you did say 451 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: you read the book, so I'll allow it. But this 452 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: is definitely of a different beast. Not only do you 453 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: have an innocent girl, and does I think she would 454 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: be called a cinnamon roll with the S I N 455 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: in a M O N. Yes, we learned this. I 456 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: learned this term because of Annie or parked cinnamon roll. 457 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: You're welcome that develops dark tele netic powers. But a 458 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: young girl who destroys an entire community without hesitating. Um, 459 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: she goes from victim and turns into a psycho bitch trope. 460 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: But there is a second one as well, which I've 461 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: never seen. Um, but Annie, So this is awesome. Part 462 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: of Savantha's iron was seeing the second carry carry to 463 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: rage unleashed. I think I have not seen the first one. Um. 464 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: I watched Carrie two for the soundtrack, which is just 465 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: as embarrassing as it sounds. Um. I still have the soundtrack. 466 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: All I remember is like she was in a pretty 467 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: red dress at the end and some guy got there's 468 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: a lot of fire and some guy was like in 469 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: a pool and that you know, the sheet came over 470 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: it and couldn't get out, and it really freaked me out. 471 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: That's bad, Yeah for sure. Yeah, definitely fire cleansing. Like, 472 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of symbolism within the story. We know 473 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: this between the blood and the fire and um, the 474 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: crucifixes as well as crucifying her mother essentially. So if 475 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: you haven't seen this movie already, why haven't you? Annie, Um, 476 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: But unless you don't like horror, which is fine. Also, yes, 477 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: we're talking about nineteen seventies movies, so spoiler alert, I 478 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: guess if you have it heard about it at all. 479 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, the whole idea with this is so symbolic 480 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: throughout it's pretty much hit you over the head. But 481 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: he does turn what would be the innocent victim into 482 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: a very quickly evil woman. Um. Even the jump scared 483 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: at the end, which was fairly new that could jump scare. 484 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: So it got me too when I watched it as 485 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: a kid, I think it's at a slumber party, typical 486 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: slumber part. Oh my god, it's such a girl's tripe 487 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: right there, um and scared the hell out of us. 488 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: I think all the little girls scream. We were in 489 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: seventh grade, start seventh grade, we look because of the 490 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: perfect jump scare. Um, but you do it has this 491 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: whole thing if you have characters who are sympathetic and 492 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: are really caring and in the end really hope for 493 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: the best for her and are so excited for her. 494 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: However she does not care. Everyone must go. It kind 495 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: of has that this is everyone's fault, which again kind 496 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: of turns your view on her yea, even when she 497 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: does go home to her mom begging for some sympathy 498 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: and love and ends up getting you know, almost murdered 499 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: by her mother. And so it does have this whole 500 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: level of conversation of how do we see these girls 501 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: wire periods, the evil that comes upon us, and then 502 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: who in the end is actually innocent? Yeah, and I 503 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: mean clearly we're I don't know if oversimplifying is the 504 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: right word, because there is a lot going on, you know. 505 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: Yet you do have that religious aspect. You do have 506 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: to blame the mother aspect um, and like her becoming 507 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: you can read it as she becomes a woman and 508 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: then yeah, it's a traumatic experience and then unleash just 509 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: this hell within her. But she also was abused, so 510 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: there's that aspect of it too. Um. And when I 511 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: was telling Samantha why I haven't seen it I do 512 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: have an anxiety, like a legit anxiety around this kind 513 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: of horror that's like a bullying abuse, religion, and like womanhood. 514 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: Because we talked about several movies you hadn't seen that 515 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: are more of the psycho bitch trope and realizing you've 516 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: not seen any of those even though they are considered 517 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: horror except for one Yep, which I'm still confused by. 518 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: I will say that, um, but it has a whole 519 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: different layer of your involving your psyche and your your 520 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: darkest fears or even personal experiences, which makes a whole 521 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: lot more sense of like, oh, I get it, this 522 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 1: is why you Because I think Hush was one of them. 523 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: We don't we're not going to talk about that, but 524 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: it's definitely like a murder thriller, uh, stalker ish movie 525 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: which you don't really know much of this woman's background 526 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: that you just watch it in real time essentially. So yeah, 527 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: but stuff like that you don't watch in the in 528 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: the strangers, which all have that fear, which in your mind, 529 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: some of these are based on true stories. So it 530 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: was like this really good happen. Yeah, I think that's 531 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: what gets me. I think I really like I like 532 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: the clear Oh no, this is not the real world stuff, 533 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: not that I haven't watched plenty of those, but I 534 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: think these are because I have these anxieties. They're so 535 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: close to home. Yeah. Um, But speaking of like plague 536 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: on your Worst Fears and Stephen King, I will say 537 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: this is probably one of my biggest fears and the 538 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: reason why I am afraid of freaking clowns as because 539 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: of this movie. So Stephen Keane tackles the fears of 540 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: girls becoming women and the peer that comes with it. 541 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: Is it? That's so you have it as a conversation 542 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: about women in periods. And I didn't really think about 543 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: it because I don't know if I've ever finished the 544 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: early series, like when it came out in the early nineties, 545 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: because I couldn't get past the clown. Tim Curry is 546 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: the freaking clown and those teeth. But in the newer 547 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: movies I did see it in which they do talk 548 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: about the main female character in her period and her 549 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: becoming a woman and then the relationship she has with 550 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: her father. So in the most recent movie, Beverley Marsh's 551 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: greatest fear is that very thing and the pain it 552 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: brought her via the sexual abuse from her father when 553 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: he discovered she had her first period, he said she 554 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: was a woman now and very creepily sniffed her hair. 555 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: Is a little different in the book, which I've never 556 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: read the book either, again, clown in the story, I 557 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: was over it um And there's even a scene where 558 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: she stares at a wall of tampons and pass out 559 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: of pharmacy before choosing one, and then gets leered at 560 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: by the older male pharmacist when she checks out again. 561 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: This is whole like, yeah, yeah, it's not just the 562 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: fact that there's this almost invitation of like I'm sexual now, 563 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: which is so untrue. I've definitely had this exact moment 564 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: at the store where it's a male cashier and they're 565 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: checking you out and then give you this look like 566 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: yeah yeah gross yeah. And then one seeing Beverly is 567 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: in the bathroom, which was very horrifying, Uh, leaning over 568 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: a sink with blood explodes out from the drain, completely 569 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: drenching her and the bathroom in crimson blood. And honestly, 570 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen scenes like this a lot 571 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: growing up, because I watched a lot of horror movies 572 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: and it never clicked with me. What that truly was representing, 573 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,719 Speaker 1: and like I thought people just had a phobia about blood, 574 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: which is true, but which is part of this whole thing, right. Yeah, absolutely, 575 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: they're like, oh God, you're bleeding and there's no cause 576 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: for it. This seems unnatural because we see that as 577 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: a warning of something bad is happening to your body. 578 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: This is repeated in chapter two, by the way, I 579 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: have not seen that win Um. When a now adult 580 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: Beverly is trapped in the bathroom stall, it's blood gushes 581 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: and rises around her, her father and the pharmacists trying 582 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: to break in. Yeah. So if if somehow you're not 583 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: familiar with it, it is this alien entity that transforms 584 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,959 Speaker 1: into your greatest fear, feeds on your fear. So and 585 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: at the end of chapter chapter two, they're all having 586 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: to face their greatest fears and and so now Beverly 587 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: as an adult, this is just blood all around her, 588 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: and and these men who kind of tormented her, made 589 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: her this object of sexual fantasy when she was young, 590 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: are trying to get into the bathroom stall. Uh And 591 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, apparently Stephen kings some kind of uh age. 592 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: I guess he likes coming of age things in general, 593 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: and for coming about stand by Me as one of 594 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: his like sweet movies about boys coming together, but then 595 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: also death. Yeah, but it's just interesting that his these 596 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: examples do involve the period so much. And then you 597 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: know The Shining Everybody, which notoriously he hates that movie. 598 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: But um, that scene with all the blood coming out, 599 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: everybody uses that as a joking gift, like my periods here. Right. Yeah, 600 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: but let's move on from Stephen King from now and 601 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: talking about Ginger Snaps, which is a movie I love. 602 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: I love that movie. Yeah. So this was made in 603 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and It marries a teenage girl getting her 604 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: first period with her becoming a werewolf. Um like getting 605 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: hair and new places, acting out of character, more volatile, 606 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: painting her sexuality in a very monstrous way. But it's 607 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: very self aware. It's on purpose. Um, it's definitely commenting 608 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: on this whole thing of when you get your period, 609 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: when you become a woman, Um, then you become this monster, 610 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: like a werewolf. The movie's tagline is they don't call 611 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: it the curse for nothing. So have you seen any 612 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: of the sequels? No? Yeah, I haven't either. I haven't either. 613 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: I'm just afraid of sequels. Which is why I'm always 614 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: horrified when people watch it out of sink, because it's 615 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: not as good typically sometimes sometimes there You know, what 616 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: I think I feel like in trilogy is the second 617 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: one is better usually but not planned. Yes, I feel 618 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: like it's a plan more likely however, But yeah, the 619 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: main character of this movie is actually in the Netflix 620 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: series about Werewolves, which is yes, yes, I thought that 621 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: was hilarious because I've not seen her much recently in 622 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: many things, but people who are very, very iconic and 623 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: noticeable into me in the whole like loving horror movie. 624 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: She's iconic, the young girl. She plays this character as 625 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: a witch. She's not aware wolf. But the fact that 626 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: she's in this movie always like tongue in cheek type 627 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: of thing, may not be on purpose whatever, But if 628 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: you haven't seen this movie, you absolutely should. And if 629 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: you like horror movies, um, then yes. The crash we 630 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: was really funny because we had our listener cat hey 631 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: cat Uh send us a link on Twitter about the 632 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: remake of the Craft, and as soon as she did that, 633 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: I think it was a few days later that the 634 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: trailer came out and of course one of the big scenes, 635 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: it is a period scene which is not really like 636 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: it's I don't know if it's part of the movie 637 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: obviously we haven't seen it, but this was definitely not 638 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: a part of the original craft. UM. So we it 639 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: was interesting, So shout out to that. And I wonder 640 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: what this is synchronous? It was odd. We were like 641 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: literally researching this every night happened. Um. So we do 642 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: have a little bit more for you listeners, but first 643 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: we have one more quick break for word from our 644 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor. Um And we 645 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: just wanted to wrap this up. I suppose. So when 646 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this doing the research, I do 647 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: think horror movies at large. Um, when I when I 648 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: joke about semi joke about how they're all about mail 649 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: writer's fears around periods, I think what I actually mean 650 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: is they're all about mail writer's fears. You know, all 651 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: of our fears around women and periods have often been 652 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: symbolic of womanhood. Now again, I know we've been hopefully 653 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: in what was clearly vocal air quotes, saying becoming a woman. Right, 654 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: we've been saying that throughout But again, you don't have 655 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: to have periods to become a woman. But it is 656 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: something that we've seen in our culture and in our 657 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: media a lot um And I do think the horror 658 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: genre is intrinsically tied to women and our years around it. 659 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: That just makes sense to me. I don't think i'd 660 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: ever really put it together, like I always said, like 661 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: this genre is about final girls, and this genre is 662 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: about pregnant women giving birth to evil babies. And you know, 663 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: I never thought about, in like the whole scheme of horror, 664 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,919 Speaker 1: how much of it is about women girls, Because yeah, 665 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: you and I have had a mania conversations because I 666 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: love those movies about you know, hauntings and you know, 667 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: possessions and all of that, because it's nice little scare. 668 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: But when you look at a chunk of it has 669 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: to do with, uh, a mother who's lost a baby 670 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: who's haunting someone, or a mother who didn't who didn't 671 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: want children and sacrifice them, is haunting someone. And it's 672 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: always the mother. Is always the mother doing something, whether 673 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: it's going after the mother or the mother is going 674 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: after a child. It's very link, but it is is 675 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 1: that whole overall. It's not just one generation of things, 676 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: it's all the things. So when we talk about um 677 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: and then we're going too soon. We're talking about the fatals. 678 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: That's the single woman. Oh my god, be terrified and terrifying. 679 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: I strike so much fear in the hearts of men. 680 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: Um and all of the points that we've discussed in 681 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: our previous episodes on horror movies. There there's been this 682 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: tension of badass final girls are or you know, even 683 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: in video games, we're talking about badass protagonist that you 684 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: can play, but a lot of the messaging behind them 685 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: is still very rigid and sexist. Um. These pieces of 686 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: entertainment are primarily created by men, not at all, not 687 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: all of them. There are some amazing women creating in 688 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: this genre and also primarily created for the male gaze. Um. 689 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: So it's empowering in a way that women's bodies do 690 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: inspire so much fear. But that's only because women's and 691 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: girls bodies have been so stigmatized throughout history. Um. And 692 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: when you think about how these movies and pieces of 693 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: entertainment do reflect real world fears, largely male fears that 694 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,919 Speaker 1: still impact in shame so many women to this day 695 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: that still keep wind marginalized, it's a different story. Yeah, Um, 696 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: you just have to I don't know, I've always had 697 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: that weird tension, especially when I did one of the 698 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: first episodes I did on the show is about Final Girls, 699 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: and I got so torn about it because you are 700 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: getting this messaging that you know, to survive, to be 701 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: a good woman, you have to be a virgin and 702 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,479 Speaker 1: like not smoke, not drink, and be white and brown hair. 703 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: And you know, they survived, but they survived in this 704 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: like patriarchal definition, and they're terrorized for it, Like they're 705 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: tormented for it, and they lose everything for it. Um 706 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: And another piece of this I do think is not 707 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: even taking the time to understand women, especially if they 708 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: don't fit the demure caricature we're supposed to fit in. 709 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 1: Like again, you know, she's a mad at mission must 710 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: be possessed or on her period. Um. Any behavior that's 711 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: not fitting into this patriarchal like gender conforming box is 712 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: threatening and scary and something to be punished, because horror 713 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: movies are largely about punishment for breaking societal norms. Um 714 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,720 Speaker 1: are in this case and the one we're talking about today, 715 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: for being a woman at all, or is a cautionary 716 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 1: tale of if you do this, this is what happens. 717 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: To you. Yeah. Yeah, Um, your sexuality will get you 718 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: punished unless you do it in the right quote unquote way. Yeah. Um. So, 719 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: I guess we have a lot to say about horror 720 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: movies and periods, but that's well. Will stop for today 721 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,839 Speaker 1: for today, but continue on because it is October and 722 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: we love these themes. Yes, yes, yes we do. 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