1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: He went from like, ooh, this is going to be 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: a process too. Is this guy the best defensive first 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: baseman we're watching right now? And he's probably not the best, 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: but he's up there. Welcome into north Side Territory, Foul 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm Sahad Sharma with my partner 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: Patrick Mooney, where your Cubs beat writers over at the 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: Athletic Patrick. It's been a busy week. A lot has happened. 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: I don't think we've have we recorded, Oh, we did 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: record an emergency Kyle Tucker podcast, But even after that, 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: there's been plenty. We've had press conferences, We've had another trade. 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: We've had the Carson Kelly signing be official, that Matt 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Siss trade, Oh dear. But the most recent thing we've 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: been teasing this, I don't think it comes as a 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: surprise to anyone who's been paying attention, but Cody Bellinger 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: has finally been traded. It's been traded to the Yankees. 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: There's no surprises here. I think if I'm surprised about anything, 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: it's about I guess how little money the Cubs gave 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: up and how you know, I don't know, I don't 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: know how to pronounce his last name properly, But Cody Cody, Like, 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about him, so I don't 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: want to, you know, talk down about him. But he's 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: you know, a fungible, you know, swingman, it seems like, 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: is how best to describe him. I didn't see anything 24 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: that stood out. I saw some people talking about a sweeper. 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna spend a lot of time 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: talking about him until the season starts and we see 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: him play. Right, But this is about Cody Bellinger going 28 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: to the Yankees and the Cubs freeing up a little 29 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: money here or a decent amount of money, I should 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: say yeah. 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: I mean clearly they were rooting for him to opt out, right, 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: I mean they. 33 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: Get rid of. 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: That money clearly by having the Yankees take on that 35 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: much salary, it reduces the return. And I think fungible 36 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: is a good word for the incoming Cody here. It's 37 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: kind of wild after all the time spent on you know, 38 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: will they trade him? Will they won't? Going back to 39 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, where's he going as a free agent? 40 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: Is he gonna opt in or out? You know, their 41 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: trade rumors out there last summer as well, and for 42 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: him to just wind up on the on the Yankees, 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: a team that was really after him at twenty twenty 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 2: three for a pretty minimal return, is kind of kind 45 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: of funny. But yeah, I guess you can't really evaluate 46 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: it until we see what they do next and ultimately 47 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: where their payroll ends up next year, because right now 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: it just kind of looks like a salary dum. 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: Right. I agree, you cannot. It's hard to valuate this 50 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: trade on its own, Like, on its own, it doesn't 51 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: it looks bad right on its own. It's not like 52 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: it's not a positive thing. It doesn't. It doesn't make 53 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: the team better, but that's not the point of the move. Essentially, 54 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: the Cubs would have had to pay, like if he 55 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: would have opted out, they would have had to pay 56 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: him two and a half million dollars, right, So that 57 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: was part of it, right, So essentially they're sending another 58 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: two and a half million to the Yankees, plus whatever 59 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Cooditt is gonna make this year and the value he 60 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: brings to the team, right, they can't ignore that, whatever 61 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: that may be. So they have they have essentially a 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: little less than what they would have had had he 63 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: opted out. So It's kind of like it's the situation 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: that I described before, right that this is kind of like, Okay, 65 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: now they can go make the moves that they had 66 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: in their mind or try and do the things they 67 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: had in their mind. And part of it was probably 68 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker, Right, that's part of it. What's the what 69 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: is the point of having Kyle Tucker, says Azuki, Michael Bush, 70 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: Pete Crow Armstrong and Katey Bellinger? Like how are how 71 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: are you gonna play all those guys? It's like it 72 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: just doesn't it doesn't work well, Like none of those 73 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: guys are part time players. You shouldn't be sitting those guys, 74 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: any of those guys two or three times a week. 75 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense. Uh so it Yeah, I 76 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: guess you could have gotten creative. But one thing that 77 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: I can't remember who asked the question, but Michael Bush 78 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: is their first baseman. I saw some speculation online people 79 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: talking about that. It never made sense to me. They 80 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: said it last year. Uh they said it coming into 81 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: last year, and they could have used a third basement. 82 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: They could have used it there. It's not like like yeah, 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: there's no like they could have used his versatility at 84 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: plenty of times last year, and and Jed said he's 85 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: a gold love first baseman. They see him as a 86 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: goal globe first baseman. I don't disagree. I was talking 87 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: to someone at the winter meetings, like, I haven't seen 88 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: that type of improvement over the course of the season 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: defensively by a player that often. He went from like, oh, 90 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: this is going to be a process too. Is this 91 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: guy the best defensive first baseman we're watching right now? 92 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: And he's probably not the best, but he's up there. 93 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: He got really good over the course of the six 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: months of baseball he played last summer. I'm just curious 95 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: what else happens here. I agree with you, we cannot 96 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: judge this in a vacuum. It's not fair, but it 97 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: like optically, I understand why someone would a with the 98 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: history recent history of the Cubs and how they spend 99 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: I get it, like you want to see that money spend. 100 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: It's like just seeing like Tody Bellinger brought a lot 101 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: of fun to this city at different points. Right, he's 102 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: a fun player to watch when he's healthy and and 103 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: and looks good out there. But uh yeah, I think 104 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: it made all the sense in the world to kind 105 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: of they had to make a move here, we'll we'll 106 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: see what We'll see what's next. I don't I don't 107 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: think this is purely a salary dump in this in 108 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: the traditional sense. 109 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, well, yeah, we'll reserve judgment until right, 110 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: you know, but the track record is a little spotty. 111 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: And I do I do wonder you know what happens 112 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: if seales O hurts his obleague again in spring training 113 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: and Pikrow Armstrong runs into the wall making a great 114 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: catch and his sidelined. 115 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: And I think they are putting a lot of faith in. 116 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: Michael Bush, but they were kind of kind of stuck 117 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: with all these no trade and guys on kind of 118 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: like hefty AAVs on these kind of medium term. 119 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: Arrangements. 120 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: And you know, part of why the return seems a 121 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: little less than is that the baseball industry is sort 122 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: of split or a little skeptical on Cody Bellinger, right, 123 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: Like that's why he came back to the Cups, because 124 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: he didn't get that huge deal and the more analytically 125 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: inclined teams were always going to be a little suspicious 126 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: of some of his bat atball data. And then just 127 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: the kind of wide variance in his performance from year 128 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: to year. It's a hard guy to you know, kind 129 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: of go all out for. And that's why he's been 130 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: on kind of one year deals or multi year deals 131 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: with you know, escape patches stuff like that. So that said, 132 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: I think he winds up in an awesome place for him, right, 133 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: I mean, his dad played at awesome Yankee teams, Yankee stadiums, dimensions. 134 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: He fits that team really well with his you know, versatility. 135 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: So I think once again, it's if he ops into 136 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: his contract for the twenty twenty six season event something 137 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: went clearly wrong and that the Yankees and Bellinger and 138 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: Scott Boris would all be expecting a monster platform or 139 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: for him from him. 140 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously having him as as depth or making 141 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: your lineup versatile would would be great, right I There's 142 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: a couple of things I would wonder in that situation. 143 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: I don't think these guys are all like the type 144 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: to complain a ton, but it is hard, like it 145 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: is when you have those types of players as depth. 146 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: I think it can be hard, right like it like 147 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: the clubhouse can get a little clubhouse dynamic can get 148 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: thrown off. 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Yeah, that's 151 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: a good point, right, And Kevin Alcantra and Owen Casey 152 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: can fill those in theory, hopefully fill those spots that 153 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: we're talking about when we say, like when you and 154 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: you bring up very valid points like would I be 155 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: surprised if if Peter arms around, goes too hard in 156 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: spring training and like strains and oblique because he runs 157 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: into a wall. 158 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: No, but that was I guess part of the thing 159 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: with Balinger too though, So I mean he always get 160 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: banged up as well the way he plays. 161 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: But you have, like you have to eventually like find 162 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: a way to get those guys in right or guess 163 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: you're creating them. 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I don't know. 198 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: I don't think we're getting at Kyle Tucker extension anytime soon. 199 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: I don't think I appreciate Kyle Tucker saying what he said. 200 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he's open to listening. If you pay 201 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: him open market value, like like, okay, go above and 202 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: beyond and give him that deal, maybe he'll listen. Even then, 203 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: I think it's like, we don't know what open market 204 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: value is because a year from now, if he has 205 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: a monster season, like, there is going to be a 206 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: bidding war. So I think these types of players bet 207 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: on themselves. But he said the right things. He didn't say, no, 208 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this city. I don't know 209 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: anything about this team. What if we stink I don't 210 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: want to be here. Right. He's not gonna say that 211 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: because he's not an idiot, but he he cracked open 212 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: the door for the optimists. I guess yeah. 213 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: He definitely had the talking points down, and his agency, 214 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: EXL Sports Management, negotiated leieve the two biggest deals in 215 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: franchise history in Jason Hayward and Dansby Swanson. Okay, however, 216 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: if you combine those two deals, the values like three 217 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty one dollars and do you think that 218 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: do you think do you think I would get it done? 219 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: Does it have to? Is he gonna shoot for a four? 220 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: I mean? 221 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: And those two deals combined were the length of are 222 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: the like Juan Soto's entire contract? 223 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: So I think in a pre Soto. 224 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: World there's probably a little more a bit more credibili 225 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: in that, I know, Excel maybe a little more flexible 226 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: than say Boris Corp. 227 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: But like, how did Dansby Swanson get paid? 228 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: It was by leaving his hometown team and testing the 229 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: market and finding a team that was way more desperate 230 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: than the Braves. Jason Hayward obviously played it out so 231 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: that he would reach free agency at a very prime age. 232 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: He left his hometown team and kind of, you know, 233 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: you know, we should go back and look at what 234 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: Jason Hayward's quotes were when he was first traded to 235 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: the Cardinals, because I'd imagine it was somewhat similar of, 236 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: you know, great franchise, you know, excited to win. 237 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 3: I'm open, we'll see what happens. 238 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: And you know, the Cubs what didn't even make the 239 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: highest offer and you know, still got the player. It was, 240 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: you know, similar ballparks or whatever. 241 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think this will be. 242 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: An ongoing storyline with a very predictable ending. And I 243 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: think you know, you can't judge everything off of Zoom, 244 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: but from what you know, you and I have both 245 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: heard about Tucker. 246 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: He's pretty down to earth, low key. 247 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: Guy that I don't think there's going to be a 248 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: whole lot of uh drama surrounding him. 249 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: He just knows he's got to be right numbers right, 250 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: Is that? 251 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? Yeah, I've heard the saying. I 252 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: don't think he's going to do any posturing in the media, 253 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: pushing for an extension or saying like or even openly 254 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: saying like, I don't want to sign. I want to 255 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: hit free agency and make all the money I can. 256 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: It just doesn't seem like from everything I've heard and 257 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: even listening to him, he's not going to give us 258 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: a splashy headline with his quotes, and that's fine. You know, 259 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: it's it's a bummer for us. I don't think the 260 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: fans care, nor should you go like you you want 261 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: him to perform, right, I get that. Uh, that's that's 262 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: kind of he fits into this clubhouse. I mean, how 263 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: many of these guys are going to give us this huge, 264 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: splashy headline. Uh, it rarely happens in that clubhouse. I 265 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: think Council, even with his dry sense of humor, is 266 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: the only one that's that that on occasion will give 267 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: us a headline. There. We got to build ninety one teams, right. 268 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, he you know, it's it's exciting that 269 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: the Cubs made this move. I think there is a 270 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: sense of fear among the fan base that it's won 271 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: and done. 272 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 5: Uh. 273 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: You know, I'm very like, I don't think like there's 274 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: going to be a change in tenor and so an 275 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: extension happens. Uh. I just can't rule it out because 276 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: I've been surprised so much in baseball before. No matter 277 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: what I hear things, shiit, I just like, it just 278 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: does not seem like this is leading to that. 279 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: Uh. 280 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: You know, fans are going to cling to what he said. 281 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: I think I think the optimist will cling to what 282 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: he said. I think realists kind of know this guy's 283 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: hitting free agency. The question becomes, how does Jed Hoyer 284 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: react if Jed Hoyer is still around? I guess depending 285 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: on what type of season the Cubs have. And I 286 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: guess we can get into. 287 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: As your question on the zoom yes, one of your 288 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: questions on the video conference. 289 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: Right, and and you know, I'm not I think it's 290 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: a very obvious question. I don't think I was coming 291 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: up with anything crazy here by Yeah, yeah, you go 292 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: get a great player. I understand all the reasons why 293 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: you make this move, but it is fair to wonder 294 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: Jed Hoyer's contract is up at the end of this season. 295 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: Do they have to make moves to save your jobs? 296 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: You know, like the whole front office is under the 297 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: microscope right now. It's no longer nobody's blaming David Ross. 298 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: Nobody's blaming you know. I mean you can, I think 299 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: you can put blame on the players at times. But also, 300 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: Jed Hoyer built this team. There's no superstar and now 301 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: there is. Okay, he went and got that big thing 302 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: that we were all complaining to him about how many 303 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: times did he mention that during the presser, like, we've 304 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, we talked about this this player. 305 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: You guys have asked me a lot about this type 306 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: of player. And he said, no, this is not a 307 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: move that has anything to do with his job. He's 308 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: looking at how to make this team better. I didn't 309 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: expect anything else, right, I wasn't expecting to say, like 310 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: I got a the clock is ticking time for me 311 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: to make some moves otherwise I'm out of here. You know, 312 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: the Cub's best in don't matter. It's how do I 313 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: save my ass? He'd never say that. I understand that. 314 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: I just needed to ask him that, and I thought 315 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: his answer was fair and and pretty accurate. I you know, 316 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: I tweeted it out this morning and some people said, like, 317 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: what do you expect him to say? Or or also like, 318 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, he's never made a move like this. Obviously 319 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: it's it's to save his job. Look it. Maybe it 320 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: like he, like I said, he's not gonna come out 321 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: and say that. I don't expect him to. And it 322 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: may maybe it had some part in it, But I 323 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: also think you can't say he's never made. 324 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 5: A move like this. 325 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: This has to be like I don't think you have 326 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: to connect it to He also has never made a 327 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: move like this because the team wasn't set up to 328 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: in his mind, to be good enough to justify a 329 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: move like this, and the system wasn't set up like 330 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: I I thought. An underrated part of the press conferences 331 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: was listen, it's a little over the top, you know, 332 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: to to like when when he goes out and praises 333 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: everyone in the organization, When when the team hasn't made 334 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: the playoffs in so long, but they did a good 335 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: job setting themselves up to be in this situation. They 336 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: like people. I don't think people fully understand not only 337 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: were like not only may have they not been willing 338 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: to make some of these moves in the past. The 339 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: organization was not set up, the farm system wasn't good enough. 340 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: The major league team didn't have a player like Easak 341 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: Paradas that they'd be willing to move that was valuable out, 342 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, to other teams. Jed pointed out that Houston 343 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: called them before the trade deadline after they acquired Paradas, 344 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: asking about him if they could still get them like 345 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: they had desirable players both on the major league roster 346 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: and in the minor league system. It just hasn't been 347 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: the case they've drafted well despite only having one top 348 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: ten draft pick in the past, since they kind of 349 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: sold off the core right card, right yeah, right, yeah, 350 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: done a good job there, Like this is that's the reality. 351 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: They were in position to make a move like this. 352 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: It made sense. Yes, I also think it's hard not 353 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: to wonder despite what he says, like these guys are 354 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: fighting for their job. But I also think it's it's 355 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: the right move, you know, like, well, you can't sit 356 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: on prospects all day all your life like it. Eventually 357 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: this is not the race, right, They're not. Like at 358 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: least we criticize them so much for behaving like the 359 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: Guardians and the Rays and the Brewers. This is not 360 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: a Guardian's raised Brewers move. So I think they deserve 361 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: at least the credit for like just go out there 362 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: and do something to like make this team better immediately 363 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: that like obviously makes the team better. And they did that. 364 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: So if it's to save his job or not, I 365 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: like the move, right, Yeah, I think. 366 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: It's totally disingenuous. 367 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: It would be for us to say, oh, the Cubs 368 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: need to start and constantly point out how they don't 369 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: have that guy, and then when they go do it, 370 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: Oh my god, but you gave up Cam Smith, someone who, like, 371 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, raise your hand if you've ever seen 372 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: Cam Smith play, right, Okay, he might be really good 373 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: in twenty thirty or he might not. I mean, these 374 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: players we've seen it. I think kind of on the 375 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: front end of our kind of professional career. We got 376 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 2: to see that build up to twenty sixteen and then 377 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: how it cratered. And I think it's hard to not 378 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: keep that in your head of like players have moments 379 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: like it's very rare to have like those guys that 380 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: just go off and have a really sturdy tenure career. 381 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: And so you know, best of luck to Cam Smith. 382 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: I would encourage our listeners to read Chandler Rome's interview 383 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: with Cam Smith on the Athletic. Chandler's our teammate both 384 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: on the Athletic and here in the Territory Network, and 385 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: I thought it was a really insightful look at Cam Smith, 386 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: and you know how he's excited for his opportunity and 387 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: so sure Jed is aware that the Cubs haven't won 388 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: a playoff game in quite some time. I think he's 389 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: generally aware of some of the discourse out there. But 390 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: to your point side, this is just a natural outgrowth 391 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: of what they've been building towards for years and so. 392 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 3: I think we've talked about this before. 393 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 2: I think we forgot to include in one of our 394 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 2: recent stories on the athletic But the problem wasn't trading 395 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: Dylan c Snela Jimenez. It was not having more there 396 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: there of like giving you the options. And you know, 397 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: I think Jed should get some credit for a roster 398 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 2: that when we went to the GM meetings looked pretty 399 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: stuck between Ballinger's salary and then no trade clauses and 400 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 2: stuff like that, to where they have created some new 401 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: opportunities here. 402 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: Both for the young guys like you mentioned and as 403 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 3: well as like all the stuff that's to come. As 404 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: he said, we're not done. 405 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: Right right, and you're right, I think we are hard 406 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: on them deservedly so. They haven't made the playoffs in 407 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: a full season since twenty eighteen. It at times has 408 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: looked like the roster was stuck, or that they weren't 409 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: being aggressive enough. We have to give them credit when 410 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: they when they prove us wrong or just do the 411 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: things that we've been asking them to do right, like 412 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: they were creative. They've been creative for the past year, 413 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: I'd say, right from the Michael Bush trades to the 414 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: east OC creators trade. Yeah, Kyle Tucker trade. If you 415 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: want to maybe it's maybe it's not creative, Maybe it's obvious, right, 416 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: go get good better players, Go get good players. But 417 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: it's but it's opportunistic and aggressive. And these are the 418 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: types of words I've been writing in my stories same 419 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: as you like. I've used these words because we've demanded 420 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: it like time to behave like a real team. Are 421 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: they spending three hundred million dollars? No? Are they spending 422 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: the way we expect them to? Not yet, No, I 423 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: don't see it. We haven't seen it. But Jed Hoyer, 424 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: Carter Hawkins in this front office are behaving in a 425 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: manner that is you know, that shows that there's a 426 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: sense of urgency finding ways to make the team better 427 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: and getting impact talent. And you're right there there There 428 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: will be more. Uh. Jed Hoyer was clear about that. 429 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: I think, uh, we'll see, like what, well, we'll talk 430 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: more about that. Maybe by the time we record another podcast. 431 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: We'll actually have another move to talk about, because that's 432 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: how rapid fire this has happened, and it's you know, 433 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: I think people joke about it, but people like to 434 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: get their work done, A lot of their work done 435 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: before Christmas. They do. They don't want to be sitting 436 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: at Christmas dinner and suddenly they're firing rough text you know. Uh, 437 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: we've heard from front office people that you know, the 438 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: families don't love, uh love the activity during the holidays. 439 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: So so we'll we'll see what happens before this weekends. 440 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: We'll we'll have another podcast for you before this weekends. 441 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: Perhaps there's another big move or two. Uh, They're they're going, 442 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: like I would be shocked if they don't spend the money, 443 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: you know that they just saved. If they don't spend 444 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: the money. That criticism I was just talking about is 445 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: coming back in full force right where we're not going 446 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: to sit on our hands and be like, oh, yeah, 447 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: of course, yeah, but but yeah, this this team is 448 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: not finished. I think they're a better team and they're 449 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: headed to being perhaps a much better team than they 450 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: were last year. And I think i'd love to hear 451 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: from Craig counsel. We won't hear from him, probably until 452 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: until Cubs convention. But I think he has to be happy, 453 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: right like he he he made statements. They weren't these 454 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: planned out statements, but they were pointed right and and 455 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: and he was just speaking his his the truth, how 456 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: he felt about things. And I think this is a 457 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: better team now. So got some action, got some behavior 458 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: that I believe we all needed to see from this organization. 459 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: And we'll see, we'll see what's next. Thanks so much 460 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: for listening to everyone. This is Northside Territory. Make sure 461 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: to subscribe, rate and review, subscribe to the YouTube channel, 462 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: subscribe to the Athletic or Patrick and I will be 463 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: on top of all of those woods. We've been on 464 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: top of Tucker, We've been on top of, you know, 465 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: everything that they've been doing here, and we'll see what 466 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: else has become. Thanks for listening and everyone