WEBVTT - Chuck Klosterman, Our Close Friend 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:06.840 All right, ready for the theme. Ready, I'm not hearing it? 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:07.400 Is it playing? 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:10.720 It was playing, but we're not hearing it either. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.239 Okay, I don't need to hear the theme. I've heard. 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:16.200 I don't need to either, as long as I might 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.720 like it, I really trust it's that it's happening and 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:25.240 he's leaving, and I don't blame him. 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.000 Okay, my fireplace, No, that's fine. And just in terms 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:30.560 of the theme case here, are we going to try 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.280 again or are we just going to kind of say, 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:34.240 like forget the theme this week? Who needs it? 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.839 We had it for a second. I don't that and 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:39.680 now we lost it. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:44.120 Yeah, we done it. So this is I think, Chuck, 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.440 just so you know, episode like six hundred and thirty 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.040 five or something, And so what we're finding is they 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.120 don't have the audio for the theme song, which is 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.920 totally normal, totally fine. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.920 This yeah podcast, like how many you we doo? Oh no, sorry, 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.880 that's six hundred just of our main show. Yeah, this show. 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.280 We also do a bonus show every week and the 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.120 show about basketball. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:11.600 Yeah we do so wow. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:17.800 Okay, and we're back with Chuck Klosterman. The book is footballs. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.759 The book is football and I can I actually launch 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.360 in just with a Can I get the gripe of 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.640 the week off my chest? As long as we're talking 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.400 about football? Is that okay with everybody? 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.119 It's okay with me, okay with you, Chuck crazy Chuck. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.880 For me, it's the hypocrisy. For me, it's the hypocrisy 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.280 that's what's making me insane right now in this day 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.959 and age in the world. I'm raising my children in 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:53.200 for any journalist, nay, any human being to behave as 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.160 if they have not gone on a romantic vacation with 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:03.880 Mike Rabel m hm. Like it's disgusting, and it's like 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.520 we all want to any embattled figure, you know, we 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.320 all want to pile on, right, it's not me, anyone 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.839 but me, and we're gonna just kick them while they're down. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.520 And it's you know, for me to have to look 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.720 my son Rabel in the eye and try to explain 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:23.280 to him that this kind of thing goes on and 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.760 that people are just willing to pretend like we look, 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.200 we all love football, right, We're all in the same place. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.080 We go to these stadiums, We're in the same hotel. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.440 You think nobody else got in the hot time. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.960 And Chuck, I noticed in the book you did not 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:48.160 talk about the extramarital activities of coach Rabel. Is that 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:53.520 because you were yourself conflicted out having like, let's just 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.320 say it, every single person in this room. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:01.119 Every single person here participated. Yourself just jumped down into 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:01.520 the tub. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.720 Did something happen with Mike Rabel? Is this about the combine? 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.519 Oh? Chuck, Oh sweetie, You've been on such a such 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.240 a worldwood But you know, I haven't seen I. 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.280 I kind of you know, I try to. I don't 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.280 want to know gabble too much in the news, So 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:18.440 I just you know, I I. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.040 The book is about old stuff largely. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.520 Yeah, yeah, so so like, uh so something went went 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.000 on with Mike Rabel. I mean, you know, he's I 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.480 thought he was a really durrated guy with the Titans, seem 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.079 having real success with the Patriots. Uh, you know, loved 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:35.400 by the media generally. 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.800 So what the media? 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:42.800 Yeah, yeah, so is something what's happening? What's what's happening now? 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:44.760 So I don't want to be the one to bring 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:45.280 this news. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:50.600 Hey, apparently kissing is illegal. Now now that's now you 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:56.480 go to jail. Apparently in mister Trump's America. You are 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:01.160 not allowed to smooch, to. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.520 Have affection, to show love, to express physically any kind 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:05.720 of tenderness. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.360 In this fascist state. Go ahead. 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.280 So that's involved with what like Drake May, I'm guessing, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:14.280 what's he? 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:14.640 Who? 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:15.920 What happened? 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.520 I hope So, I hope Drake's been as busy as 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.120 you are. I hope he hasn't seen any of this. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:24.000 Or I hope if he has, he's been inspired by 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.920 the idea that you can actually show love too, for example, 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.880 multiple receivers, as he did this season, distributing the ball 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:37.080 equally among among his entire core, and not just having 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.680 one person that you could shoot it. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.279 To that for the entire season going okay, well, I 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:48.560 guess you know, Stephen Diggs has the sacred ring, you know, 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.599 and then I can only throw to this one man 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.440 because he's you know, he's been here the longest or something, 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.159 when there's other people who deserve to have a shot 0:04:58.240 --> 0:04:59.240 to them. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.040 And we're back Chuck Closterman, The book is the book 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.520 is football. So what made you want to do about 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:05.000 a football? 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:06.000 What made you say football? 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.560 What made me say football? And white like that, you're 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:15.599 pluralizing it as well, because Obviously the game involves multiple balls. 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:20.080 It would be ridiculous to just talk about one. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:23.200 It only be one the whole time. Think about how 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:24.000 filthy it would be. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:30.200 Well, I you know, I but I play this out. Yeah. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.400 Is it kind of unfair? And this is I mean, 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.760 this is what they said to Tom right, Oh, this 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:40.360 is a different footballs. This is different they said it 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:45.320 to Tom. That's illegal too, mm hmm. Too many footballs 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.160 that he used, so should so I guess what they 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.320 want is you should just use the same footballs. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.960 Let's have it be fair. Everyone has one football for 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.520 the whole season, and if you don't take care of it, 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:55.360 that's your fault. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.800 So she was saying, like one per game, one per. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:04.560 One, each hard game as in the game of footballs, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:05.960 and they play the games one at a time. 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.240 I was gonna say, each team gets a football, that's 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.039 your football. When you're having a home game, you're in 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:11.680 charge of it. 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.960 Not fair and if you and if. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.599 Something goes wrong, that's on you. 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.520 They stagger the games obviously they have to be either 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.960 played in the same place, think happened and the footballs 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.120 is just there and that's where the football lives. And 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:32.599 then everyone gets it when it's there turns to get 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.000 in is also for little kids. 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.960 Boy, that'd be That'd be a shame, wouldn't it, Chuck, 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.720 If the sport, the most popular sport in America, was 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.320 teaching us about sharing and taking turns. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:51.400 Well, that'd be bad, allowed to do that. But you 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:52.680 take too long, you. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.679 Think, Well, I just think this idea of this football 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.000 idea you have is kind of intriguing me because you 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:02.160 think of valuable that football would be. Oh, sell it, you. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.200 Know, breaking in to steal the other teams football the night. 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:11.200 Before check with who better to ask a question? Oh, 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.080 it's everyone thinks, Oh, we use a different football for 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.200 every single game, and sometimes a bunch in the game. 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:22.119 But what if we're wrong? Hm? But what if we're wrong? 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:28.200 That's great point? Great point. Well, I you know, I 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:30.720 You've given me a lot to think about here regarding 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.000 the football itself, because you know, I'm writing I wrote 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.680 this book about football, but I only, like, I only 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.320 spent a few pages on the actual ball. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:40.880 Yeah, and you and and. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.760 You the shape of it. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.200 So it's like, you know, you talk about the sport 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.560 how it can only kind of get bigger and grow, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.600 and that's kind of the nature of it, and that's 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.200 going to ultimately lead to its demise. But what if 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.520 it became smaller in terms of just there was only 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:58.440 one football? And whose version do you prefer minor Hayeses 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.360 version of what? Well, So my idea is each team 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.040 gets one football for the whole season if you lose 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.400 your football. Hayes's idea is that there's actually only one 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.280 football in the NFL in the world. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.560 I think that is the one that is the one 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.040 I prefer the world. Yeah, I mean, because it would 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.840 become such a just such a sought after item, you know, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:23.440 be like uh, and and its future would be mean, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.240 you know, I I like the idea of all having 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:27.480 I mean, that's a lot of sharing. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.720 Yeah, and my and my and my idea cannon fodder. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.640 It was cannon fodder for me. I know, Hayes's only 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.280 one in football the world. That's obviously, you know, the 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.760 right choice. But I have to provide some cannon fodder. 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.679 So you're making choices too on the show. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.320 Now, going back to the book, it was sort of 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:49.280 a revelation for me, Uh what what you taught me? 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.000 In the same way I remember reading you talk about 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:57.120 Muhammad Ali and his influence on wrapping years ago, and 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.960 the same way you sort of laid out the connection 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.520 between Stewie the Baby being the inspiration for the shape 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:09.640 of the football that his the shape of his head 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:15.080 was what originally inspired the football to be shaped like 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:16.120 Stee the Baby. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.720 You're talking about the Family Guy character. 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.760 But he was on Family Guy. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.960 He's got his own show now, but he certainly was, 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.520 so yeah he was. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.880 I had sort of forgotten that the Baby was on 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:30.480 Family Guy. 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.559 But know, yeah, yeah, I mean people forget that. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.920 Huh, there's spin off or something, and he has a 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.080 different show now, this baby. 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.640 Yeah. So yeah, Stue, he's got to show the two season. Yeah, 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:43.679 so he's got his own job. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.040 It's basically Family Guy is basically a distant memory at 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.760 this point for Stewie the Baby, but was not allowed 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:51.800 to do. Yeah. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.280 I was like, no, Tom Brady got drafted by the 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:57.120 Expos or whatever. But that's not how we think of him. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:58.760 It's not really how we think of him as it. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.080 No, that's true. That's a that's true. They do not 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:03.760 associate him with the Expos. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.000 Yeah. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.880 Yeah, we're back with Chuck Closterman. The book is Football 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:13.440 is Chuck we have a question you were of course 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:27.760 they answering questions. We have been trying since you were 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:32.520 first the epheicist to get you on the show because 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.080 we have so many questions for you. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.320 The show, the world of the show is rife with 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:39.480 moral quandaries. 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.199 That would be you know, I feel I haven't done 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.079 this in a while, but I would. I would love 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:44.720 this go ahead. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:50.160 I gotta feeling the the muscles still work in there. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:57.760 Yeah, yeah, where to begin? So let's I mean, and 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.240 we don't want to use real names in this. 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.200 Yeah, just just it's sensitive for some people because we 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:03.520 they are real issues. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:13.160 Uh say, some men are on a podcast. Yeah, and 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:17.440 that podcast is on a network. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.000 Like a television network or like a podcast. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.960 Well, well they're filming it, but it is it is 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.200 a podcast network primarily. But you know they've all got 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:29.400 to do video, now, don't they. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.400 The computer network just on the the network of computers. Okay, Okay, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:35.520 sure I can imagine this. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:41.880 And the network. The face of the network is a 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:48.880 famous man who is friends with Pete Carroll from your book, okay, 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:55.280 and is in a movie and another movie, a dozen 0:11:55.400 --> 0:12:03.000 or so movies and and another and he has not 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:11.359 done the men's podcast yet and he has not been asked. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:19.760 It's been there's been a bit of an overture made. Uh, 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.760 there's a So let's say he has a shingle on 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:29.880 the network that has a label, maybe it's Big Money Players, 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:36.760 and we are required to display this label promoting this brand. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:43.120 And yet this man, let's say he was in, uh, two. 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:47.480 Movies called Achorman. Does he have a. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.119 Moral obligation to appear on the show as a guest. 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.440 If he has time to literally do two movies that 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:59.079 are both called Acreman, is that that est that he 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.720 might have time to go his old podcast? 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.439 I need to go to revisit the thing you mentioned earlier. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.600 He has not been asked, though you said he is 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.800 not You've not asked this person to do this. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.080 Now. I don't think I used the word overture correctly, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.720 but but what was there was something sort of okay, good. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.840 So like like you said, like this individual whoever you 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.000 were like around him? And you just mentioned like, hey, 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.160 we have a podcast, we're always looking for guests. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.280 No, we've never been around him. That's not part of 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:26.079 our around. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.400 Okay, but you've never met the individual. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:29.760 There's people who. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.920 Work with him okay, more direct by choice? 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.680 By choice? Or are these like slaves? Are these like 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:37.800 are these employees? 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.240 Like what is the what is the God? I've never asked? 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:44.800 I've never asked? And that interesting topic for the podcast, 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:49.960 and it could explain that could explain the reluctance to participate. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:55.760 There's certainly a power dynamic there where I think the 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.120 the general idea of there's a new podcast joining the 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.120 network and it would be good for them to have 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:06.440 you as a guest was maybe spoken aloud it immediately 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:07.280 shut down. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:12.600 But does the famous anchor man have the obligation to 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:17.880 take the initiative to appear on the show, even in 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.640 a fun way where he just pops out sometimes m hm, 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.320 where it's a surprise and he's just hanging out around 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.360 the office. Hey guys, yeah, and we hang out after. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.880 Imagine he just plopped down sort of in the corner 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.880 here with a bag of chips and said, don't mind me. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.880 Okay, this might be an impossible question for you guys 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.720 to answer, But do you suspect he is aware that 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.600 this desire even exists from you guys? Like is he 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.480 are you under the impression that he consciously knows that 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.000 people want him to go on a podcast and he's 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:52.000 just not doing it. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:15:00.680 We so far have not determined a piece of that question, 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.920 which is is he aware of the men. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.120 The Do the men exist in his mind at all? 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:13.240 So whether the awareness is there of whether the men 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.320 want him to be on the podcast, the men on 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:16.200 the podcast Men on the. 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:20.640 Podcast podcast is not called the men. You're talking about 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:21.560 the two men. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:30.600 The the the In the hypothetical though, where someone were 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:35.440 to ask him, do you think two men at a 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.200 certain age with a podcast on your network would want 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.160 you to appear? I think he would have to say yes, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.040 he knows that they would want that. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.200 Well, I guess it's myra celebrity. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.760 And what I would find what I have learned from 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.960 the world of podcasting ahead and from the world which 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.560 kind of you guys exist in the world of Hollywood 0:15:58.600 --> 0:15:58.920 and all this. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.360 It's kind of inactional world, right action? 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.320 So what what would you what would. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.760 Be the what would be the transaction from the end 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.040 of the man like, what are they? What would they provide? 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:12.680 We offer? 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:20.120 What would we offer? I would say, you guys, uh uh. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.080 You know, it's easier for me to talk about this 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.160 if I sort of take on. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:28.120 The uh. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.240 Boy, I don't know. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.600 I really convinced myself for a second that this wasn't 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:36.200 my life. 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.840 I did not set out today to play chess with 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:41.680 the grandmaster. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:42.920 Mm hmmm. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.160 And now I'm so, is this what you used to 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.000 And I remember how you used to do this on 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.360 the eficus now where you would spend most of your 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.240 time and answering the questions, revealing the identities of the 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:02.120 asker and the subject. Yes, for your own pleasure. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.800 Exposing though mm hmm, yes it was. It was honestly 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:11.080 my first exposure to true got to journalism. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.919 That was a real stressful job, though, I have to 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:15.399 say for a weird reason. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:17.359 Keeps a weird reason. 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.040 Well, yeah, because like everyone thinks of now, like newspapers 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:22.880 are just on the internet, but you know they still 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.120 make the old physical copy, right, they own physical magazine. 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.879 So in order to get that printed, I had to 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.680 sort of have the entire thing done like nine days 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.439 before it came out. So then once it was locked 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.280 and it was going to be in the magazine, I 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.080 would spend nine days thinking about how I might be incorrect. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:44.640 It would just be it was. 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:50.080 Terrible standards change society of alls, Yes, and in nine days, 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:54.679 people's relationship to for example, adultery changes on if you 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:55.360 think about. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.080 It a day basis, nine days ago, the way I 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.000 would have thought about even throwing a football to multiple receivers. Yeah, 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.360 and how more objectionable that would be to me? And 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.800 now to look at it from my current purview, with 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.520 the perfect information that I have that actually that's good 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:13.720 for the team. I uh, I would not I would 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:14.760 not want that job. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:24.680 Next question, yep, okay, okay. A producer a man a 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:31.240 man podcast. I guess this producer is actually producing a podcast. 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:32.400 Okay, podcast. 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.960 So you're thinking, so you're thinking of a pro, you're 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.080 thinking of a producer. Yeah, okay, this is a this 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:39.879 is a this is a producer. And this is a 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:41.960 man who actually produces a podcast. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.119 Okay, produces like seventeen of them or something. And then 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:46.760 every time he drops one, he goes like. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:52.959 Good news, good news, it's just one. I'm doing one less. Okay, 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.520 I'll have more time for you. This is how this 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.800 guy talks really anyways. 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:04.840 A podcast producer Okay, and he is. He's a little boy. 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:11.520 He's from a insanely wealthy insurance dynasty. So so so 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.919 then what he even does is like the fact that 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.840 he's producing podcast at all, I think is just a 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.440 fuck you to his old man sort. 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.240 Of a joke. Okay, okay, or it's another way to 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.680 prop it off people. I guess yes. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.640 Would classify this man's father as as like wealthy or 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.320 very rich? Is he very is the father very rich? 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.520 Like if if you looked up this guy on Wikipedia, 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.040 would mentioned the wealth of his father. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.320 The producer likes to say he has freak you money. 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:44.000 Mm hm okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.920 So this producer, he's a producer and uh, he has 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:54.919 over the course of several years sort of burrowed his 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:59.360 way under the skin of this podcast so that he 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:05.760 is kind of inextricable without pulling out something crucial to 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.320 the sort of existence of it. 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:09.880 Is this troubling or is this positive? 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.359 It's just part of the it's become a body part. 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:19.320 There was a time when there have been different times 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.159 throughout the length of the relationship that it has been. 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.360 Both oh really at the same time. 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.919 You know how you have like a tick. Sometimes it 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.120 gets in like to your feet and you're just like, okay, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.600 well that's like another toe now basically mm hmmm, like, well, 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:34.359 that's kind. 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.240 Of a that's outside the box thinking that's not really 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.159 usually simultaneously positive. But okay, I guess it could be. 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:41.120 I mean I guess, well. 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:42.640 You know, sometimes it feels kind of good. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.320 I mean, well, you're you're you guys come from more 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:50.000 of a tick place, like I feel like, well, I'll say, 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.480 in New England there are ticks or like you're like, 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.359 you know, like Fire Island places like that. 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.240 Rather you said it, yeah, I get that one tick. 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:00.679 You're not like red meat or whatever. Though, let's say 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:02.760 with the lone star tick, are you familiar with this? 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:09.480 Oh yeah, no, yes, every single one. We're familiar. 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.840 There's there's not a tick under the side. 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:13.199 I don't want to I don't want to get you 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.480 after it. So this producer kind of has kind of 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:19.520 the Michael jacksony voice. You described wealthy, come from wealth. 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:27.680 And Michael Jackson, Yeah, like nineteen eighty one. 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:28.199 And I'm dating myself. 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:29.480 Yeah, off the wall is. 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:36.439 Yes, And this little boy has moved has also burrowed 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:41.840 himself into a woman's affections somehow, and the two of 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:49.040 them have moved to let's say, let's call it Klitsburgh. 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.520 Yeah, let's use a fake name. So it's like Plittsburgh, 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.919 Plencylblania Okay, for. 0:21:55.520 --> 0:22:00.840 Undisclosed reasons, Well, undisclosed to you or to anyway. We 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:07.040 haven't asked, don't care, okay, would rather not know? Would Yeah, 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:15.840 And this man, as of right now, the financial arrangement 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:20.959 with the podcast is unchanged. Does the podcast have an 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:31.399 ethical obligation to adjust the producer boys payment according to 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:36.280 the cost of living in his new home? 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:38.680 Just in terms, just in terms of the ethics of it. 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.200 So let's say, and it just as an example, the 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:45.440 kind of thing this producer might do, let's say, just 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:46.840