1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: I am six forty. You're listening to the John Cobelt 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Could always hear us from 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: one to four on the radio and then after four 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: o'clock John Tobelt Show on demand the podcast on the 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: iHeart app, so you could pick up on what you missed. 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: Tomorrow is Pastathon Day. We're gonna be on the air 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: on KFI all the shows from five am to ten pm. 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Deborah I will be on from one until four. 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You should definitely go there and 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: bring cash. 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 3: I can probably bring a credit card too. 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: And throw it at and stuff it into Maya. 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 3: Well he does a strip tease. 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm not doing a strip tease. 21 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: I'm not doing no, it's not a strip. 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: No skin. We'll get shut down and I'm a police 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: will be there. 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 3: It's a health hazard. 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: Let's go to Alex Stone from ABC News about the 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: latest strip tease. No strip tease, please, I'll pay money 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: for that. We can start a big ward to keep 28 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: my clothes on. Yeah, all right, this is another another 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: case from the last century. John Benet Ramsay, Boulder, Colorado, 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: little six year old girl who has found the day 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: after Christmas dead in her home. Parents and a brother 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: lived in the home with her, and she was well, 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: I love, Alex Stone. Well, it's going to tell us 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: why this is back in the news after all these years, 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: twenty eight years ago, and she would have been thirty 36 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: four years old today had she not been killed on 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: that Christmas night in nineteen ninety six. And so there 38 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: is a new focus on the case, kind of like 39 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: the Menendez Brothers because of a Netflix documentary. And now 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: you've got a whole new generation of people who are saying, well, 41 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: solve that, and it's all over TikTok and Bilder police 42 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: are getting inundated with people who are saying, well, I 43 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: think it was this, and I think you should look 44 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: at that. We've got sources who say though that they 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: are making progress. Several years ago, the Colorado Bureau of 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: Investigation and Bolder Police really began looking at it again 47 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: and going over all of the evidence. But they don't know, 48 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: and we understand investigators don't know if there is ever 49 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: going to be enough evidence to pinpoint the killer. Likely 50 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: it would be DNA if they were to be able 51 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: to move forward at all. It is DNA that was 52 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: found in her underwear at the crime scene, but it 53 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: was a minuscule amount of white male DNA and they 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: have never been able to figure out whose DNA that is. 55 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: But they are trying, and they want to use new technology, 56 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: the genealogy that has been used to catch the BTK 57 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: killer in the University of Idaho's student killer, and the 58 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: Golden State killer, all of these serial killers that have 59 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: been caught through genealogy. They want to do that and 60 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: so now the Boulder Police Chief last week in an 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: annual update the Bolder Police that they do for the 62 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: community on Jean Beney, they said. 63 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: Our agency is committed to doing everything we can to 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: bring justice to John Beney and hold her killer responsible. 65 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: Now, John and Patsy Ramsey, they were cleared years ago. 66 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: After Patsy Ramsey died. Police said that they could confirm 67 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: that they were not suspects and that they had nothing 68 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: to do with this, that they were not the killers. 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: And in more recent years they've said her brother had 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: nothing to do with this, Burke didn't kill her, but 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: who did They don't know, and the case is bolder, 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: police confirmed now actively being investigated again. They've got teams 73 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: looking over that evidence and trying to decipher if they're 74 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: any different direction that they can go, including the genealogy, 75 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: but that they are making progress, and the chief. 76 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 4: Saying, we're hopeful that the renewed public attention will generate 77 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: more tips. 78 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: Now, the issue with the DNA is it may lead 79 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: them to somebody who has long since died. If it 80 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: leads them anywhere that thirty years later, that person may 81 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: be gone if they can make a match. We understand 82 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the DNA is degraded, it is only a tiny amount. 83 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: They even and they make this point in the documentary 84 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: as well, but tried to trace the underwear all the 85 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: way back to the factory in China to see if 86 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: there was somewhere in that chain that a white male's 87 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: DNA would have gotten into the underwear. Because it is 88 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: a tiny amount that they thought maybe there was somebody 89 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: who delivered it, Maybe somebody who made the underwear. They 90 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: didn't know, but they haven't ever been able to figure out. 91 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: There has been no white male in that chain that 92 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: they have been able to figure out, so they have 93 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: to believe that is their suspect. And they've had a 94 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: number of white males who have come forwards saying that 95 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: they did kill John But I remember John Mark Carr 96 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and six, and there have been 97 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: others as well who have come forward and admitted that 98 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: they killed her or claimed it that they did. That 99 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: they have ruled out because they did not match the DNA. 100 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: So it comes down to that DNA. The family believes 101 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: maybe they're putting too much weight on that DNA. What 102 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: if one of these people admitting to it did do 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: it and that DNA is not the suspects DNA. But 104 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: really it comes down to that that's all they've got 105 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: from what we know, and that they are going to 106 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: try to do genealogy and trying to do it right 107 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: now on that DNA. Is there some kind of breakthrough 108 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: in DNA analysis that just happened in the past year. 109 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: It's really more in the past five to ten years. 110 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: Using the genealogy, and that they there is a new 111 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: chief who came in in September, and the chief before him, 112 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: who have been willing to say, let's do this again, 113 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: that the let's open it back up, even though it 114 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: was technically never closed. But bolder police weren't doing a 115 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: lot with it and figure this out through genealogy and 116 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: really through the technology part of it, of trying to 117 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: work with this highly degraded DNA and to give it 118 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: to more experts, to give it to more outside agencies 119 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: that they believe that if this is gonna be solved, 120 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: that now is the time because of where we have 121 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: come with technology. But again, where did that DNA? How 122 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: did it get into the crime scene? Whose is it? 123 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: What was it? They don't even know. They think it 124 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: was maybe saliva, but they don't know what it was, 125 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: and try to figure out who it belongs to. The 126 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: weirdos who came forward claiming to have killed her, I 127 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: guess they have been thoroughly investigated in other ways other 128 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: than their DNA profile. Yeah, there have been a number 129 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: of sex predators out there and homeless people and others 130 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: who have been looked at and they have all been cleared. 131 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: And John Mark Carr went on with his life after 132 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: remember all those recordings even went in front of cameras 133 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: in Bang. He was the roof saying that he killed 134 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: her and why he did it, and they believe it 135 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 1: was all in his mind and that he didn't do it. Yeah, 136 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: that really shook the crazy tree hard. Yeah, and there 137 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: still does. And there are still people who claim that 138 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: they did it. There's no indication they were even in 139 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: Bolder and that they had anything to do with it. 140 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: They're so nuts. They want to be famous. They want 141 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: attention by admitting that they know raped and murdered a 142 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: six year old girl, even even though they didn't. But 143 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: that's how badly they want to be noticed. Yeah, we're 144 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: in their mind they did. I mean John Markarr his 145 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: whole storytelling of it. I mean it seemed like in 146 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: his mind he did it and that he lived through it, 147 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: and he fantasized about it. But Bolder police kept him 148 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: for quite a while and then in the end they 149 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: had to let him go. Delusional mental illness. All right, Alex, 150 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: thanks very much. 151 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 5: You got it. 152 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Thankt. I'm pessimistic about this. I hear these phrases, you 153 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: hear the police say that's reopening and looking at all 154 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: the evidence again, it's all right, how many times have 155 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: you looked at the evidence. How does the evidence change 156 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: other than you know, people get old and forgetful and 157 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: they die and actual physical evidence gets degraded. 158 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: But it's so frustrating though, because it was such a 159 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: huge case, right and you know, you have this beautiful 160 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: six year old girl who was murdered and nobody can 161 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: figure it out. 162 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: It's just I don't know, I don't know. You know, 163 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: you know when you I remember the I remember the 164 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: what was the case Dan San Diego that we covered 165 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: David Westerfield, oh, right after that little girl and if 166 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: I remember, the parents of the girl were swingers and 167 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: they wouldn't let David Westerfield in on the fund and 168 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: so he was always lurking around, wanting to get in 169 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: the house and wanted to be part of things. And 170 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: Westernfield became fixated on the little girl. Danielle van damp 171 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: was the Van Damn family, and you know she was 172 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: she's seven years old something like that, and so you 173 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: you get those guys. Uh, There's plenty of cases where 174 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: you have a grown man getting a fixated on a 175 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: very young girl and they want to have their way 176 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: and then they do terrible things, and then they killed 177 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: the girl in order to cover up, so there aren't 178 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: any witnesses. 179 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: But the weird thing about this case, John, was that 180 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: that ransom note that we've kidnapped her and she's okay, 181 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: but you gotta that's you know, and then and then 182 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: she was found dead. 183 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: That's what's stuck in my head. Otherwise I would totally 184 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: believe it's because they they turned her into a product. 185 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: The family turned her into this this this I I'd 186 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: never even heard of seven year olds and beauty pagets. 187 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: I didn't know that was a thing. That's what struck me. 188 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: It's like, why would you do? 189 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: She did not look six years old either. 190 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: No, I know, Wow, Jesus, I've never seen a six 191 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: year old that much makeup and their hair all teased up. 192 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: And and just one one other thing, just real quick, 193 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 2: that I thought was really strange was in this documentary. 194 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: The detectives that came the day she was well, they 195 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: didn't find her yet, but they had the father, John Ramsey. 196 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: They said, go go and look around the house, see 197 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 2: what you can find, and then he found her downstairs. 198 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: I mean, usually detectives get everybody out of the house. Right, 199 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: and so the problem is so much evidence was destroyed 200 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: and it wasn't you and. 201 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: He didn't Why didn't he find the girl to begin with? 202 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 3: I don't know. 203 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you search the whole house to begin with? 204 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: Exactly? There's so many questions. 205 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, on that family always found family was funky. I've 206 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: never cleared them. I can see in my court whole 207 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: family is under suspicion. 208 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 209 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 6: six forty. 210 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: We are on from one until four every day, and 211 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: then after four o'clock. John Cobelt's show on demand tomorrow 212 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: is the bostanthon all day and we'll be doing our 213 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: part live from the Anaheim White House to raise money 214 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: for Katerina's Collie. I always get irritated during fire season 215 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: because you always have the idiots in the media and 216 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: state governments start prattling about climate change, when often it's 217 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: stupid humans in government jobs or semi government jobs like 218 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: the utilities who start the fire, often because of negligence, 219 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: a lack of maintenance. That's what happens with these utility 220 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: wires that go down. You'll get it from Southern California 221 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: Edison or PG and E. They don't take care of 222 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: the wires, they don't take care of the towers, and 223 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: things fall and hit the ground. The winds are blowing 224 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: eighty miles an hour, they don't shut off the power 225 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: in advance. And it's not climate change that does this. 226 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: It's our stupidity. We inhabit the area, We build these 227 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: massive electrical grids, and we don't take care of them. 228 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: We have a new category of of things that caused fires, 229 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: and that's public works crews. And this is the Orange 230 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: County story. You remember the airport fire from September in 231 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: the Tribuco Creek area. Orange County Register finally has a 232 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: story as to what happened that day. This was a 233 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: twenty three thousand acre fire. They call it the Airport fire. 234 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: It burned for twenty six days through Orange and Riverside Counties, 235 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: destroyed one hundred and sixty buildings. Twenty two people got hurt, 236 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: thousands of people fled their homes. And it all started 237 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: because there was a work crew that didn't bring a 238 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: water truck with them on a high fire day, which 239 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: is the normal procedure. You've heard this term. If you 240 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: worked for any bureaucracy or company best practices. What are 241 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: best practices? In this case, they had an acronym called 242 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: BM which stands for best management practices, And the best 243 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: management practices if you're doing road work is to bring 244 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: a water truck in case you start a fire on 245 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: a hot day where the risk is high. September ninth, 246 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Tribuco Creek, this work crew was supposed to place boulders 247 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: along the side of the road to block off road 248 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: vehicles from entering private property. The property owners requested it. 249 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: Now it's over one hundred degrees and the fire reading 250 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: was high, and a work order for the job names 251 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: one supervisor and two laborers. Okay, so three man crew, 252 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: and they're supposed to take their construction equipment and scoop 253 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: up the boulders and lay them on the side of 254 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: the road so these idiots in their off road vehicles 255 00:13:53,480 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: can't take their vehicles onto somebody's private property. So at 256 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: one twenty one PM, the crew noticed smoke coming from 257 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: the basket of a construction loader. This is heavy machinery 258 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: that is used to move the boulders. The machine operator 259 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: and the supervisor tried to douse the flames with fire 260 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: extinguishers and they called nine to one one. The crew 261 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: did not have a water truck, which has a capacity 262 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: of thousands of gallons and are designed for fire suppression. 263 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: This is pretty simple. All you have to do is 264 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: look outside, check the thermometer. Oh it's one hundred degrees. 265 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: Look the winds are blowing strong. Hey, they have a 266 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: high fire danger in effect. So if we're going to 267 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: go out with a piece of heavy machinery, that's going 268 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: to be scraping, right, It'll be scraping the asphalt to 269 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: this cement. It's going to be lifting boulders. Well, that 270 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: sets off sparks. Sparks then become fires. But apparently this 271 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: crewe of geniuses didn't didn't bring the water truck, and 272 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: it was available. They just didn't do it. I guess 273 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: they were just too lazy. Must just be they must 274 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: just be laziness. So the uh, the fire started and 275 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: Edward Frondoso was was it was contacted. He is the 276 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: public Works Deputy Director of Operations and Maintenance, and he 277 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: was told what happened, and then he had to tell 278 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:45,359 Speaker 1: his boss, a county engineer named Kevin o'numa, and Frondosa 279 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: laid out the news that he would bring to Onuma. 280 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about that we effing started a 281 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: fire and it's bad. And somebody responds, we uh, and 282 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: he was trying, he said, he was trying to not 283 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: put it on you know, Microsoft teams, which is their 284 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: internal communication. And next day Frontoso messaged another woman on 285 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: the work order, it shows that what equipment will be used. 286 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: But I know yesterday morning somebody asked them to take 287 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: the water truck out. Bud had asked them to take 288 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: the water truck out, and so on. The list was, Hey, 289 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: we're taking a water truck and then one of the 290 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: one of the county workers, said no, don't take the 291 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: water truck. It's called the water buffalo and it's considered 292 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: to be a BMP, a best management practice. It's up 293 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: to the crew to use BMPs where appropriate for every 294 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: maintenance activity. So the crew was aware of the fire 295 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: danger that it was high. They checked the fire danger 296 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: rating at ten am with the County Fire Authority. The 297 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: crew got the news, but the work continued, like everybody knew, Hey, 298 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: we should have a water truck out here. Yeah, that's 299 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: best practices. Yeah, that's what it says to the manual 300 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: let's get a water truck. You get a water truck 301 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: when fire danger is high and it's really hot, the 302 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: wind's bowling hard. Yeah, yeah, you're right well to have 303 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: a water truck. They just didn't bother to get the 304 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: water truck. And then they started writing to each other. 305 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: Frondoso wrote to Man, it's growing so fast. Rodoso wrote 306 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: to Jermaine Harris, Holy crap, it's growing faster and faster. 307 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: So they're standing there watching the fire grow and sending 308 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: out messages. Then let's see Shannon Whdar, a spokesperson for 309 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: the department, suggested to Frondoso that mental health counselors be 310 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: made available to the staff mental health canceler because they 311 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: started the fire and they're gonna be overwhelmed with guilt. 312 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: Why'd you send mental health cancels counselors the people who 313 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: lost their homes. They need some mental health counseling. What 314 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: is it with the mental health counselors constantly being sent out? 315 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: How about sending out someone to enforce the water truck mandate. 316 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: You don't need a counselor. You need somebody who's got 317 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: the energy to say, hey, we got to get the 318 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: water truck out. There. Then Shannon White are the spokeshole seeing, 319 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: said I'm seeing a lot of less than savory comments 320 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: posted online directly aimed at us. I'm sure she insisted 321 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: that counseling be provided to the staff. I'm sure they 322 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: have a lot on their minds and are dealing with 323 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: a lot right now, nothing compared to the people who 324 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: had their neighborhoods getting burned out. Wow. Frontoso said in 325 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: another message, I wish the guy had just listened to 326 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: his directives when it became clear that the fire was 327 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: getting out of hand. But in all of this, it 328 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: never explained. Did they just not feel like it it 329 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: was too hot? Is the water truck not air conditioned? 330 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A six. 331 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: Forty coming up after three o'clock. We're gonna have John 332 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: Eastman on. John Eastman was a professor at Doctor John 333 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: Eastman chriss Are at Chapman University. He used to be 334 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: the dean at their law school, and then he got 335 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: involved in the whole Trump the whole ture, the Trump 336 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: election mess, because he was giving legal advice to Trump 337 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: on ways to deal with I didn't know how to 338 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: describe it. Well, you know the legal effort that Trump 339 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: tried to, you know, change the outcome of the twenty 340 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: twenty presidential election, and a judge has had recommended earlier 341 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: this year that Eastman loses law license. Eastman had a 342 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: legal theory that apparently no other judges agreed with as 343 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: he was trying to give Trump a path to reclaiming 344 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: the presidency after the election. There you go, there's an explanation. 345 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: So we'll talk to John Eastman coming up after three o'clock. 346 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: Because with these pardons that Biden is handing out, and 347 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: then Jack Smith, the federal prosecutor, has withdrawn to the 348 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: big cases against Trump, including the Washington d c. Case 349 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: connected to the insurrection, we'll see how much of all 350 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: that affects Eastman. Now, Trump has demonstrated very quickly before 351 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: even taking office that if you project strength, if you 352 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: laid down what you're going to do, and people reasonably 353 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: believe you're going to do it, behavior changes. I'm going 354 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: to give you some quick examples here. At number one, 355 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: Trump said he was going to slap a twenty five 356 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: percent tariff on Mexico and Canada. Last day helped stop 357 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: all the illegal immigration and stop immediately. And everybody said, well, 358 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: how could you do that? There are training partners that 359 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: are allies and friends. You can't do that, And well, 360 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: they didn't want their economies wrecked. In fact, the critics 361 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: were saying, well, you know, they could slap tariffs on us, 362 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: and then that'll ruin our economy. It's like, no, we 363 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: could ruin their economy a lot worse than they could 364 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: ruin ours. It's called leverage, and Trump is one of 365 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: the few people in politics not afraid to use leverage 366 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: against other countries. So what did we have. We had 367 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: the Mexican president, Claudia shineboun Pardo, get on the phone 368 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: with Trump, and according to Trump, she's agreed to stop 369 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: migration through Mexico and into the United States, effectively closing 370 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: our southern border, and that they also discussed illegal drugs 371 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: coming into the US from Mexico. He said it was 372 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: a very productive conversation, and he hasn't backed away from 373 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: that description. She also had a statement was a little 374 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: vaguer than Trump, but I think it'd be very difficult 375 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: to get out of the way Trump has has described 376 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: what went on between them. In our conversation with Trump, 377 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico has 378 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: followed to address the migration phenomenon. Thanks to this, migrants 379 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: and caravans are assisted before they reached the border. We 380 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: reiterate that Mexico's position is not to close borders, but 381 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: to build bridges between governments and between peoples. Well, whatever 382 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: she does, she got to keep the migrants from coming 383 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: to America or Trump is going to slap her with 384 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: a twenty five percent tariff and Mexico can't afford that. 385 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: Now you know who else came. And this guy flew 386 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: all the way to mari A Lago, that pajama boy Wiener, 387 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of Canada. Justin Trudeau. He's like Newsom's twin. 388 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: And he went to Trump right away and said, Dad, 389 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: we'll do whatever you want. Basically, he brought his Minister 390 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: of Public Safety, Dominic LeBlanc, and they met with Trump 391 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: at mar A Lago for three hours, and Trump said 392 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: that meeting was productive. They had discussed fentanyl and trade deals, 393 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: and Trudeau had made a commitment to work with the 394 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: US to end the flow of fentanyl, and so did 395 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: the Mexican President. Shinebaum, the Minister of Public Safety. LeBlanc 396 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: was given the task of drafting tougher border measures. He 397 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: was going to deploy additional staff, drones, helicopters to better 398 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: manage the border. Suddenly you have both leaders of Mexico 399 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: and of and of Canada saying, yeah, sure, would you 400 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: like me to do no problem, let's get going, and 401 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: that amazing and all Trump just basically had to make 402 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: one statement, you help close the border, or we're gonna 403 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: put a big tariff on all the goods that come 404 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: into the country. That's what he said. It was pretty simple. 405 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't You read about these negotiations and 406 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: how complex they are and they come up with with treaties. 407 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: They go on for hundreds and hundreds of pages and 408 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: nobody can understand them, and the negotiations go on for years. 409 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: Like you don't have to do that. Trump knows what 410 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: he wants. He wants the illegal alien flow shut down, 411 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: on the drug shutdown. So you're gonna help me or not. 412 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: It's kind of a yes or no question. Yeah, yeah, 413 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna help you. And it doesn't really matter what 414 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: the details are on their end. All that matters is 415 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: the result. You know, do the helicopters, the drones, get 416 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: the military, put land mines across the border, dig a moat, 417 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: whatever it takes. But in the end, are people coming 418 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: over the border here anymore illegally? 419 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 5: No? 420 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, and we got a deal, no tariffs. Carry 421 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: on that. That's how you deal with people. Because President 422 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: of Mexico and the president of the Prime Minister of 423 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: Canada know exactly what they have to do. Everybody knows 424 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: what they have to do. There's no secret plan that 425 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: they have to formulate, no complex negotiation. Just do the obvious, 426 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: stop by force, if necessary, the flow of human beings 427 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: and drugs into the country as best you can. Here's 428 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: another one, Vladimir Valdimeder's Zelenski. He said on Friday night 429 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: he's willing to concede territory to Russia, at least temporarily, 430 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: to end the war. He said, we could give up 431 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: landing exchange for a NATO umbrella. Over the territory. Doesn't 432 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: mean they joined NATA NATO. It means that some of 433 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: the member countries US, Great Britain, France, Germany could provide 434 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: individual security guarantees to Ukraine so that if Russia advances forward, 435 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: those countries will step in and block them. They'll give 436 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: up some of the land to Russia because most of 437 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: those people speak Russia anyway, and they'll negotiate overall to 438 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: come up with a final agreement, you see, because he 439 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: probably realized that Trump is going to come in and 440 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: cut off the aid and force him to accept the 441 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: deal that Trump talks to putin. And you know he 442 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: Trump is going to lay down the law and people 443 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: will follow. You just have to be strong and forceful. 444 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI Am 445 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 6: six forty. 446 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: Tomorrow is the Pastathon are on from one until four 447 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: live from the Anaheim White House Restaurant raising money for 448 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: Chef Brunos Caterina's Club. 449 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 6: Uh. 450 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: There's gonna be broadcast all day long from five am 451 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: with Amy King, all the way at ten o'clock at 452 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: night with Mo Kelly. And let's see the bidding to 453 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: co host with me. Oh, for goodness sake, is this 454 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: for real? My name is spelled wrong here? There is it, 455 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: says co host with John co Bit kob yt. 456 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: Okay? Who did that? 457 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: This is the bidding page, Mike. If you click the 458 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: link on the KFI site, really it takes you to 459 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: the bidding page co host with John Cobitt. That's lame, 460 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: kob yt where's the L No L no appearance tomorrow? 461 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: Oh no, you better show up. 462 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: No kids are gonna have to starve. Uh huh, I 463 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: want my L back. Currently the bid is twenty eight 464 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: hundred seventy six dollars, which is which is pretty good. 465 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 3: That is pretty good. 466 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: It went for over five last year. That was gonna 467 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: be my next point. Yes, that's pretty good, but not 468 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: good enough. Not good enough, So why don't we get 469 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: Why don't we get up to five right away? Because 470 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: that's where it's gonna end up. So let's let's goose 471 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: this thing immediately. But come on with the the hell 472 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: do the I need to misspell my name? How long 473 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: have I been here? 474 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 3: A long time? 475 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: Yes, a very long time, and they don't know how 476 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: to spell mine. It's only six letters. I know. It's 477 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: one of those published names, too many consonants and it's 478 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: easy to lose one. 479 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 3: But well it's been lost. 480 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: Uh. This is funny. James Carville and you may have 481 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: seen him, he's eighty years old now. He's the bald 482 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: headed Louisiana and Democratic political consultant. 483 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 3: He's eighty already, yes, just. 484 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: About he's seventy nine. I think eighty. He was supposed 485 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: to be very soon. And Carville was the guy who 486 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: came up with the phrase it's the economy stupid and 487 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: helped get Bill Clinton elected twice. Right, and he has 488 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: been on the sidelines fuming over the Kamala Harris campaign. 489 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: He's trying to be the good soldier at times, saying 490 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: now Kama's gonna win blah blah blah, but often he 491 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: was criticizing the campaign for obvious reasons. Apparently the only 492 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: idiots who didn't see how bad the campaign was were 493 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: the people running the campaign. Anyway, I'll play I want 494 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 1: to play cut number five, because he went off in 495 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: the past week on how bad the campaign was. Play 496 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: cut five about Eventually it gets to he would have 497 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: had Kamala practicing answers to certain questions. 498 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 7: That caught me a lesson. 499 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 5: You have to practice, practice, practice, and one of the 500 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 5: great things and great politicians have our sense of timing. 501 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 5: You know a sense of what lines to go work, 502 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 5: what nons work, and you know, if I were Harris's 503 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 5: campaign manager, I would have made her answer that question, 504 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 5: what do you do different than Biden? 505 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 7: Twenty times a day I would have had I would 506 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 7: have had. 507 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 5: To travel aid who sat in the backseat with and 508 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 5: you know, sat on the airplane with it. Just keep 509 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 5: asking her, keep practicing that answer. For whatever reason, they 510 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 5: didn't do that. But you want to create, You got 511 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 5: to create your own moment, and you cannot talk. It 512 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 5: has to be distinctive, and to some extent it helps 513 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 5: be counterintuitive. And the best way to pick a moment 514 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 5: is to say, what could I say that would most 515 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 5: likely piss off n PR and Washington advacy groups. And 516 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 5: if that's your test, you're going to succeed every time. 517 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 7: Every time, you're going to succeed. 518 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: And the question he's talking about is what would you 519 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: do differently? The question Kamala was asked on the view 520 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: and she said, nothing really comes to mind. And I 521 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: thought that moment she lost because overwhelmingly it was clear 522 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: that people said they were unhappy with the Biden administration. 523 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: They were unhappy with inflation, economy, and immigration. They thought 524 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: the country was on the wrong track. I mean, you 525 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: were getting ratings in the seventy and eighty percent range 526 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: in the polls. So the last thing on the planet. 527 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: You would say is nothing comes to mind. I wouldn't 528 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: change anything. I was there in the room. I mean, 529 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: I mean you guarantee. Yeah, that's all the nails in 530 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: the coffin. You're gone. Now you're underground. And that would 531 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: have been the first question. An intelligent political strategist would 532 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: have said, Okay, we got to separate from Joe here. 533 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: Nobody likes Joe. They think he's a senile old fool, 534 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: and boy did he prove that in the last twenty 535 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,239 Speaker 1: four hours. Huh. He was a senile old fool and 536 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: people were sick of his policies, his administration of him. 537 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: You have to do a complete breaks. Cut four good. 538 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: I played cut four. This is Carval talking about when 539 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: Kamala's top advisor's David Ploof. 540 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 5: I like David Pluff. I know him modestly. His reputation 541 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 5: is very good. He's somebody that I would automatically have 542 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 5: respect for. He's actually kind of state school guy. He's 543 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 5: got a really cool wife, and he worked for Uber 544 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 5: and I guess you got to leave an absence. 545 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 7: Well, you're conflicted, dude, you're conflicted. 546 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 5: Do you understand like how many issues that Uber has 547 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 5: or not I don't take it. 548 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 7: I like Uber I have on my uh what do 549 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 7: you call it? Your back? I use them. 550 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 5: I find them to be punctual and clean and invaluable 551 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 5: service at the offer, but they got issues. Man, how 552 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 5: do you classify employees if they are contractors? 553 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 7: I don't even want to get into it. 554 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 5: Just like I've been with Polunteer for the last I 555 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 5: don't know, fourteen years. 556 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 7: Well, I'm going to be loyal to Plenteer because that's 557 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 7: just the way that people are. I'm not going to 558 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 7: my agent. Don't have to worry. I'm not going to 559 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 7: be doing in a campaigns, but no conflicting loyalties period. 560 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 5: And they're going to come in and say, oh no, 561 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 5: you know, the lobbyous are all the talented people. They're 562 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 5: very talented people. They make a very good living. I 563 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 5: don't have anything against that. I don't think there's any 564 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 5: less than honorable way to make a living. But you're 565 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 5: not in the political advice business because you, by a friend, 566 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 5: are compromised from day one. 567 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 7: So don't have any make anybody that works for you do. 568 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 5: An exhaustive search to make sure that their single loyalty 569 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 5: is to you and you winning no election and just 570 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 5: that nothing else. All right, we keep making we keep 571 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 5: making that era. We go back and we find someone 572 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 5: from the last campaign. We think it's smarter than the 573 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 5: campaign before the last campaign. 574 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 7: And of course these people come in, they'll give it 575 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 7: about you. 576 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 5: I'll let you imagine examples that I'm thinking of. 577 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 7: But move on, we shall all right. 578 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: We come back. We are going to talk to John Eastman. 579 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: John Eastman was involved in the Trump campaign to remain 580 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: in power after the twenty twenty election. John Eastman had 581 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: a lot of novel legal ideas and got caught up 582 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: in the prosecutions resulting from what happened on January sixth. 583 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: And we will see what John Eastman thinks now that 584 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: some of those cases have been pulled, the one in 585 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: Florida regarding the documents, the one in more Washington regarding 586 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: the insurrection, and then Biden today coming out with hardens. 587 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: Is that going to create more momentum for Trump coming 588 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: out with pardons. We'll talk with John Eastman, who used 589 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: to be the dean of the Chapman University Law School. 590 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: He is next Deborah Mark Live in the KFI twenty 591 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: four hour newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to The John 592 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear the show live 593 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: on KFI AM six forty from one to four pm 594 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: every Monday through Friday, and of course, anytime on demand 595 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app