1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, chuck here for another summer movie playlist feed drop. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Today we're going to be covering how the MPAA works, 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: and this is from June twenty fourteen, and it delves 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: into the ins and outs of the MPAA and how 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: they decide on rating movies because it's sort of a 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: dark art as far as we're concerned. 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: So check it out. Welcome to Stuff you should know 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: from HowStuffWorks dot com. 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 3: Charles W Chuck, Bryant, Jerry. 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: But where's Waldough right over there? 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 3: Apparently? 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: Man, I wish people could hear the in between stuff. 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: I think Jerry was recording that last one. 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think so. She used to give us 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: a neat little outtakes, but she doesn't do that anymore. 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: Those days are long gone. They exist in the vault though. 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: How you doing? Not good? 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: No? 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: No, I don't know what's wrong with me. I am 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: off today? Out of your game? Yeah, it's weird. 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: Well, I think this is the perfect podcast to set 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 2: you straight. 24 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 3: Why, because it's. 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: Something that we both have some passion about against. 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think anybody who's seen the documentary this film 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 3: is not yet rated. Yeah, that would be very difficult 28 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 3: to not be persuaded to feel strongly about the MPAA 29 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 3: and its practices. 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and at least how they do things. 31 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: But we're going to try to be objective. 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say up front, 33 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: I have no problem with rating of film's content, so 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: parents can decide whether or not it's appropriate. I think 35 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: it's valuable, but I think there are ways to do 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: it that I don't think the MPa does. Yes, So 37 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: I just wanted to float that early on. 38 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: Okay, I think that was probably smart. Okay, Okay, I 39 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: don't have kids, so I don't really whatever, But I 40 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: mean I can understand the value of that kind of thing. 41 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it gives you an idea, Like I like 42 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 2: having an idea what I'm about to see too. 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: I feel like I can tell just from watching a 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: trailer of previewsing a movie poster. I'm pretty I'm pretty 45 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: intuitive when it comes to the marketing techniques of movies. 46 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think like being a film nerd, it's like, 47 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: is the New uh? Is the New Avengers movie going 48 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: to be rated? R? That really tells you something. 49 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: Right, it won't be no it never would be because. 50 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: PG thirteen is the the that's the strike zone these. 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: Days, it really is. Apparently PG thirteen movies pull in 52 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: more money than all other ratings combined. Yeah, and it's 53 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: a relatively new phenomenon. You want to talk about its origin, Yeah, 54 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 3: let's do it. So back in nineteen eighty four, a 55 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 3: man named Steven Spielberg had two movies out who Steven Spielberg? Right. 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: He directed one, Indiana Jones and the Templar Doom, and 57 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: he produced another, Gremlins. Yeah, and both of them he 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: caught a lot of heat from both of them. 59 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: Sure, Indiana Jones for the heart removal scene specifically. 60 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, but also the snake, the live snake at the 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: feast thing yeah yeah, all the snake babies, the eyeballs, 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: all that stuff. 63 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 64 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 3: And then with Gremlins, it was just downright terrifying in 65 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: a lot of different places, especially if you're a kid. 66 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: And the reason he caught heat was because both of 67 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: those movies were rated PG. Yeah. And so Spielberg went 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: to the NPAA, the Motion Picture Association of America, and said, 69 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: let's do something about this, because these clearly aren't our movies. Yeah, 70 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: but they apparently aren't PG movies either, so maybe we 71 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: should come up with something in between. And PG thirteen 72 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: was born. 73 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was before he had all this way 74 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: in the world. He was influential, but it wasn't like 75 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: Spielberg today, who could have just waved his wand and 76 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: made it happen. 77 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think even at the time he was important. 78 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: He Yeah, there were very few directors at that time 79 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: who could have gotten something like that done too. So 80 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: that's where PG thirteen came from. And that, like you said, 81 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 3: that's the strike zone now. And the reason why is 82 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 3: because that is the kind of movie that caters to 83 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 3: young teenage boys, who apparently are the most successful at 84 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: getting girls to go to movies with them. So if 85 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: you can get a movie rated PG thirteen, you're going 86 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: to make a bunch of money. 87 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus it makes sense, it's right there in the middle. Yeah, 88 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: you know. 89 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: But the problem is is it's become a means of 90 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: almost advertising that rating rather than cautioning parents. It's a 91 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: way of attracting the audience. Yeah. True, it's like this 92 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: is in some kids PG movie. This is as close 93 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 3: to an R movie as you can get. 94 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: In Yeah, and I think filmmakers try to achieve that 95 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: rating by either scaling back their R rated movie or 96 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: juicing up their PG movie. 97 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: Or adding more violence. Apparently PG thirteen movies are have 98 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 3: tripled in violence over the last few decades. Yeah, and 99 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: they now have, according to one study, more violence than 100 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 3: there are rated counterparts. 101 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and different kinds of violence that you didn't used 102 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: to see. 103 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 104 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: You know, all right, I guess we should go back 105 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: in time a little bit. Let's is it way back machine? 106 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 3: Sure, let's go way back in time in Hollywood. All right, 107 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: it's nineteen twenty two. 108 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: Hollywood and Vine is a viable intersection in Hollywood at 109 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: the time. I'm unlike now, although people are going to say, no, 110 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: they built that area back up. Yeah, and that is 111 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: when the NPA was born in the early nineteen twenties. 112 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 113 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: And at the time, it was up to local authorities 114 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: or your state or your municipality to either stamp something 115 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: as moral or immoral. There were no ratings on movies. 116 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: And thanks to a guy named Will Hayes, who was 117 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: the first president of the MPa, he installed the Hayes 118 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: Code and said, you're either going to pass or fail. 119 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: It's either going to be stamped in moral or moral right. 120 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: And the reason Will Hayes, who is the MPAA president, 121 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: came up with the Hayes Code, which was really extensive. Yeah, 122 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: it was like, if you talk about the government, it 123 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: always has to be good, sexuality has to be like 124 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: repressed and just basically an hetero. How you think about 125 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: all movies from like the thirties and forties, Yeah, squeaky clean, 126 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: basically like the division between good and evil is very 127 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: clearly defined and the good guy always wins. And if 128 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: you didn't fall into that Hayes code, like you said, 129 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: your movie would be stamped immoral. But the whole reason 130 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: he came up with this code was because local municipalities 131 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: could pass their own obscenity laws and that could be 132 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: bad for business. 133 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: So is it not even get your film exhibited? 134 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: Right? So remember in the A c l U episode 135 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: where we're talking about that one, that one movie that 136 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: New York, just the Catholic said no, you can't show 137 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: that here, and the a cl went to work getting 138 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: getting the Catholics beaten in court. 139 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: Right, even though it was just a bad movie, had 140 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: something to do with well, I mean it did, but 141 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: it shouldn't have been shown because it was so terrible. 142 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: Was it bad? I don't remember. 143 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was supposed to be not very good. 144 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: Okay, but it happened like that kind of thing happened 145 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: a lot like local local town said we're not going 146 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: to show that movie. So Hayes figured out if if 147 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: Hollyoo policed itself, then they could control what, you know, 148 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: what movies came out, and therefore everybody could make a 149 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: bunch of money. That's right, And that's the point of 150 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: the NPAA. They're the lobbying arm of six major Hollywood studios. 151 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, they work for them. Yeah, well, yeah, that's one 152 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: way to say it. But they and it's just those 153 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: six too, isn't it. Uh well, yeah, I mean you 154 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: there's definitely an argument these days that independent filmmakers have 155 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: a much rougher time with the MPAA. Yeah, but most 156 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: of the indies too, are eventually distributed by the majors. 157 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 3: Anyway, I got you. You know what I'm saying. 158 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So flash forward a bit in our wayback machine 159 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: to the nineteen fifties. Things changed a little bit after 160 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: World War Two, and people, I guess the easiest way 161 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: to say it is people loosened up a little bit 162 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: and didn't mind certain elements in their entertainment any longer. Yes, 163 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: A big example this article uses Frank Sinatra got an 164 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: oscar nomen for playing a heroin Addict and the Man 165 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: with a Golden Arm. And that couldn't have happened in 166 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: the nineteen forties. 167 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: No, millions of people hadn't died in World War Two yet, 168 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: that's right. I imagine that kind of loosens you up 169 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: as far as the seeing Chris words and stuff in 170 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: movies goes. 171 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's not a big deal, Like World War 172 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: two is a big deal, right, get your haunches down exactly. 173 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the big one, the big first crack 174 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: to the Hayes code. Yeah, and then there were I 175 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: think that you said he won an oscar, right. Yeah. 176 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: It was a really good movie that kind of opened 177 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 3: the floodgate so that by the end of the fifties 178 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: you got some like it. Hot Tony Curtis and Jack 179 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: lemon are dressed like women hitting on Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, 180 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: and at that point it was pretty obvious the Hayes 181 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 3: code was dead. Yeah. 182 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: I mean, they weren't passing the code, but they were 183 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: still getting released. So once something is subverted like that, 184 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: it's it's dead in. 185 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: The water, right, So there was a that was fine 186 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: for a little while. I think the Hayes coach just 187 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: kind of fell to the wayside, and people were releasing 188 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: movies without any kind of moral or immoral stamp. But 189 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: the rating system as we understand it today hadn't come 190 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: about yet, so it's kind of a limbo period until 191 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight and a store owner in New York 192 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: with the last name of Ginsburg got busted for selling 193 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 3: nudimags to sixteen year old boys, and he took it 194 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: all the way to the Supreme Court, saying, you can't 195 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: say anything about this. There's federal laws about upsnity, not 196 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: local laws. And the Supreme Court said, you know what, 197 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 3: we really think it's up to local municipalities to decide 198 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: what they want their miners exposed to or not. That 199 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: got Hollywood's attention because all of a sudden, local municipalities 200 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: could decide whether or not they wanted to show movies 201 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: to miners or not. So what was old became new again. 202 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: And Jack Valenti, who was in charge of the MPAA, said, 203 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: we need another system of self knowther self policing system, 204 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 3: and he came up with the rating system that we 205 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: have today. 206 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he, I mean Jack Valenti was the head 207 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 2: of the NBA for close to forty years, and he 208 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: initially the intention was to stop censorship because he feared 209 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: that the movies were going to start being censored locally. 210 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: And so I think the origins of the MPA's rating 211 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,479 Speaker 2: system were. 212 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: Art centered, art center, but also money centered, because again, 213 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 3: if you have if you have town A showing the movie, 214 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: but Town's B through L deciding that the movie is 215 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: obscene and not showing it, then you're losing that money 216 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: and B through L. So what Valenti came up with 217 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: was this idea that let us tell you what is 218 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: appropriate for minors or not, what movie is, and we'll 219 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: just make a simple rating system. Yeah, gpg R or 220 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 3: X the old X yeah. 221 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: And triple X. It wasn't even formally a rating, it 222 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: was just. 223 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 3: A marketing tool. 224 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because three x'es that's like WHOA. 225 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: I wonder if anybody ever came out with one with 226 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: four X. 227 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: Yeah or double X even yeah, like we cut out 228 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: that one part so ta X uh. Yeah. Christian our 229 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: colleague here wrote a great blog post about the former 230 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: X rated movie. 231 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah, we'll have to check that out. 232 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 3: It's good for brain stuff for stuff of genius. 233 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: On the brain Stuff blog earlier this year, and you 234 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: actually recommended it on your blog the X rating, yeah 235 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: the best I remember it this week. 236 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember recommending one of his things. I just 237 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: don't remember that one. It's good. 238 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 2: I thought about asking him in here, but then I thought, yeah, 239 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: we got it N So yeah, back then it was 240 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: G through X and well we'll talk about you know 241 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: how that changed maybe after this message break. All right, 242 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 2: so no longer do we have X rated movies? Now 243 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: we have something. I guess we should just go through 244 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: what these ratings mean today in twenty fourteen. Okay, so 245 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: you've got your G. 246 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 3: G's always been G general audience. 247 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: Anyone can see it, Yes, and that's your your family 248 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: cartoon that kids love and parents are forced to go to. 249 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: Right. 250 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: Then you've got PG that means no drug use, maybe 251 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: a little violence, because as we'll learn, the MPa has 252 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: less problems with violence and more problems with language and sex. 253 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 3: Huge criticism, huge criticism. 254 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: PG thirteen, which we've you know, kind of been through. 255 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: Then you've got your R and that is no one 256 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: under seven. This is a suggestion that no one over 257 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: seventeen be admitted without a parent. And these aren't laws though, 258 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: that's one thing that's important to point out. Those are suggestions. 259 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 2: And then theaters have policies. 260 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 3: Yes, it's let's kind of dig into that. So none 261 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: of this is legally binding. Now, none of them are 262 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: anything more than recommendation. And they're basically saying that this 263 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: movie has X amount of profanity or x amount of nudity, 264 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 3: or lacks any drug use or something like that. And 265 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 3: so for what the MPAA thinks the average moral compass 266 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: of the average American thinks about these different things like sex, drugs, nudity, 267 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: all that stuff, this movie falls into this rating. And 268 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: again it's not enforceable. You don't even need to have 269 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: a rating to release a movie. But if you want 270 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: to get your movie in theaters, there's basically no theater 271 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: chain out there right now, no major theater chain out 272 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: there right now that will show an unrated movie. 273 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a completely voluntary system to submit your film 274 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: to the MPa ratings board. 275 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,239 Speaker 3: But it's de facto. 276 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: But you have to do it. Yeah, that's the rub 277 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: is that they say it's voluntary, but you actually have 278 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: to pay a fee to submit your movie if you 279 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: ever want to have it shown in theaters. 280 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: Right, is anywhere from like twenty five thousand dollars for 281 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 3: a big budget movie to seven hundred and fifty dollars 282 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: for a short. Yeah, and so you submit your movie. Well, 283 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: we'll get into it in a second. Let's talk some 284 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: more about the rest of the ratings. 285 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's only one more, and that's NC seventeen, 286 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: which replaced X. And that means this is in nineteen 287 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: ninety and that basically means that it's for adults only 288 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: and you should not come in if you're under eighteen. 289 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 3: Right, and also means these days it's foreign or about 290 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: lesbian or gays. Basically, yeah, not fully, but sure, it's 291 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: pretty close. Yeah, and NC seventeen. The first movie to 292 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: come out with that was Henry in June. Yeah, not 293 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: to be confused with Benny and June. And it basically 294 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: sunk that movie because everybody was like, oh, this is 295 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 3: X now, right, NC seventeen. If you jumble it all together, 296 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: it looks like X. And the whole reason they came 297 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: out with NC seventyeen was to replace X because X 298 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: was associated exclusively with pornography in the minds of moviegoers. 299 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, all right, so let's get into this. 300 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: The actual ratings board. There's the MPAA, and then working 301 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: for the MPa is the classification and ratings administration Kara, 302 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: and Kara doesn't say whether your movie stinks or not. 303 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: Kara is eight to thirteen people, and they are called raiders, 304 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: and they are overseen by senior Raider, and they sit 305 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: down and watch these movies and take copious notes on 306 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: what they think based on their standards. Is I don't 307 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: want to say offensive, but just noteworthy, right, Like maybe 308 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: they're not offended, but they think the average mom and 309 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: sheboygan might be offended. 310 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: Right supposedly, which is a kind of a thing, because 311 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: the whole rating system, as you just kind of pointed out, 312 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: is a subjective. 313 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: Totally subjective. They supposedly. Here's the other rub is it's 314 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: all secret. 315 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: Right. 316 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: You can find out a federal judge's name and address, 317 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: but you can't find out who a raider is for 318 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: your films. It's all conducted in private. None of the 319 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 2: stuff is released and That's one of the big rubs 320 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: in that documentary and with filmmakers in general, is it's all, 321 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: you know, done behind closed doors. There's never any explanations provided. 322 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: These people are supposed to have kids between ages of 323 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: five and seventeen, but many of them do not, right, 324 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: either have kids at all or have kids that are 325 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: older than eighteen. 326 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 3: Yep. 327 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 2: It basically frees them up from any accountability. Yeah, to 328 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: do this all in private and in secrecy. 329 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: And until that movie by Kirby what is Kirby's last name? 330 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: Henry and June No no, the documentary. 331 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, this film is not yet rated. 332 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, until Kirby Dick's this film is not yet rated 333 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 3: came out, Like all of this stuff was just conjection 334 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: and conjecture in Hollywood legend. He was the first one 335 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 3: to really basically he tailed these people, tailed them to 336 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: lunch to find out who they were and eavesdrop on 337 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 3: them and like did some digging and found like these 338 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 3: anonymous people did not fall into the requirements that the 339 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 3: NPAA said they did. And so not only was it 340 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: in secret, it was it was fraudulent. Basically, this rating system. 341 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: So according to the standards, you submit your film. This 342 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 3: group of people, this anonymous group of people, watch it, 343 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: they rate it, then they come together and vote on 344 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: a rating, and then they passed their their vote along 345 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 3: to a senior raider. Yeah, who talks to the movie's 346 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: distributor or director or producer says, here's the rating, here's 347 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: why we rated it like this, and then your face 348 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: with a choice. You can accept the rating. You can 349 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 3: edit your film as per the CI's recommendations. 350 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: Take out these bad words, cut the sex scene a 351 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 2: little early, leave all the violence. 352 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. Or you can reject the rating and just release 353 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 3: your movie is unrated. 354 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, which, well, you can try to release it, but 355 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: since no one will show it, it's really sort of 356 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: a misnomer. 357 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 3: Right, but it's becoming increasingly a thing again. You need 358 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 3: the rating to get your movie shown in movie theaters. Yeah, 359 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: But what happens if you don't care if your movie 360 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: comes out in theaters, video on demand, yeah, or just 361 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 3: releasing it to the internet. 362 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 2: Now, I'm curious about that. How that's going to change 363 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: the landscape. 364 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: Well, right now, it's a huge threat to the NPAA 365 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 3: because all of the power they wield is found in 366 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: this rating system. 367 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: And if for theaters yes, If no one's going to theaters. 368 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: Then the MPAA loses all of that power, which is 369 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 3: a big deal, especially now because the NPAA is needed 370 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 3: more than ever as a lobbying group because of online piracy, 371 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 3: which we'll talk about some more. So it's a very 372 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: precarious time for the MPAA right now, and it's a 373 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: terrible time for them to be under as much scrutiny 374 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: and public attack and critique as they are. So it's 375 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 3: I mean, they got spears sticking out every which way, 376 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: and their trunk is flailing and they're honking. That is true. 377 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: One thing I should point out is I said, is 378 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: that there's no accountability. 379 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: That's what the NPA says. 380 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: It's the good thing about the secrecy is that it 381 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: frees them up. That anonymity does. It frees them up 382 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: from accountability. 383 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: I just don't agree, right, Okay, So the if you 384 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: want to appeal, there was apparently a change made in 385 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 3: response to Kirby Dick's movie the documentary before if you 386 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 3: were appealing your rating, which is very difficult, almost never 387 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 3: was done. 388 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: Well you never want that's for sure. 389 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: Right, And when you were appear you couldn't reference any 390 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: other film. It was totally done in a vacuum, which 391 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 3: is pretty preposterous. 392 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's the only way to be able to 393 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: tell us, like, wait a minute, if you said this 394 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: about this, then why not this for my movie? 395 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 3: Right, Which meant that there was no real standard, yeah, 396 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 3: that you could point to, or there were standards you 397 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 3: could point to, they just wouldn't be considered. 398 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, or at the very least, if they do have 399 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: written standards, they don't release them, so you don't even 400 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: know what they are. 401 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: Right. So the MPAA is, they've got their rating system, 402 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 3: they've got the appeals process. 403 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: Which was also in secret, unless that's changed, right, I think. 404 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: I think the appeals board not only was the appeals 405 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 2: board and secret, but they weren't even just raiders. They 406 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 2: were people from the industry. 407 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 3: Right, and the Theater Owners Association exactly, whereas the people 408 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: who were raiders are supposedly unaffiliated with the movie indust 409 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: and are just like average ordinary. 410 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: Parents representing EU Middle America. We'll just call it, even 411 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: though I think that's insulting. 412 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 3: The thing is, though, is a lot of people criticize 413 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 3: the NPA and say these raiders are really representing the 414 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: six major studios who rake in ninety five percent of 415 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: the ten point nine billion dollars made in the United States. Yeah, 416 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 3: in theaters alone, just ticket sales, not DVD or anything 417 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, And that's what the NPAA does. In 418 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 3: addition to rating, they are, like we said, the lobby 419 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: are for these six studios. 420 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: That's right, and they I guess we should talk about 421 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: piracy now, Huh. That's one of their other big besides 422 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: from rating movies, they are heavy in the lobby against well, 423 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: especially now with online piracy, because the digital distribution network 424 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: is it seems like the way forward as far as 425 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: distribution goes, right, Like it's the futre. It's not the future, 426 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 2: it's the present and the future. 427 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: And the NPAA has a they're accused of basically trying 428 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 3: to quell new technology by just saying like, well, let's 429 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: just keep people from peer to peer file sharing in 430 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 3: total so that they can't steal movies. In part, and 431 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: if you go back to the early eighties, Jack Valente 432 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: was known to have railed and lobbied against the legality 433 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 3: of VCRs. 434 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: People are just gonna be recording things and handing them 435 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: out to their friends exactly. 436 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 3: So there was a the NPA is a long history 437 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: of basically like just doing anything at can to stifle 438 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 3: innovation in order to protect the profits of these big 439 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: movie studios. The other problem with them lobbying in favor 440 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 3: of these six movie studios is that they inherently have 441 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 3: a conflict of interest against the studios that are not 442 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: part of these six that they represent, but whose movies 443 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 3: they still rate. Right, so they've been accused of more 444 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 3: scrupulously or scrutinously rating the movies of rival studios or 445 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: foreign studios when assigning a rating. 446 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: Well, and that's why filmmakers call consistently for transparency. I 447 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 2: don't think there are many filmmakers out there saying there 448 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: should be no rating, we should just maybe some like 449 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: a large fontrier, you know, or Werner Herzog. They're probably 450 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 2: like nota eight things at all. But I think they 451 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: just want transparency, like open it up and let everyone 452 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: know how this is all done, who these people are, 453 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: and give us an idea on what in the world 454 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: we're submitting to voluntarily quote unquote. Pretty interesting. 455 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: So you were talking about online piracy, and with digital 456 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 3: distribution being a big deal now, the NPAs needed more 457 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: than ever because they have to lobby Congress to fight 458 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 3: online piracy at a time when more and more people 459 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 3: are distributing online and going around the MPAA. So it's 460 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: losing its power, right, but it needs its power more 461 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 3: than ever. So, like we said, it's a precarious time 462 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 3: for the MPAA. Yeah, and they tried a few things. 463 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 3: They were successful with the what was the first one 464 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 3: in two thousand, the Digital Sofa No, the Digital Millennium 465 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: Copyright Act, oh right, which basically that up until then 466 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: it wasn't a federal crime to share movies on peer 467 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 3: to peer networks, right, that one did it, and they 468 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 3: got that passed. The MPAA lobbied and got that passed. 469 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, they've cracked down on camcorder recording yeap. Like when 470 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 2: you're in New York City and someone has that brand 471 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: new copy of Godzilla on video cassette for you, Yeah, 472 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 2: that's because if you've seen Seinfeld, someone went and sat 473 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: in that theater with a camera recorder and just made 474 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 2: a stupid, awful quality pirated version. 475 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. And it says that those are the most common. 476 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 3: I guess I kind of believe that they're also the 477 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: worst quality. Like sometimes people will like get up and 478 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: move in front of the camera, like they go to 479 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: the bathroom or something. 480 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's uh, I've never seen one, but I 481 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: think they're terrible. 482 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: Yeah much, I don't want to say more common, but 483 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 3: probably more common these days are like copies of screeners. Yeah, 484 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 3: like they send out DVDs to everybody who's members of 485 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 3: the Academy to vote on movies, and so around Oscar 486 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: timer before Oscar time, it seems like the Internet gets 487 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 3: flooded with way more high quality copies of these major 488 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 3: movies that are up for awards. Yeah. 489 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: I think now they have, thanks to the NPA, have 490 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 2: something coded to your name now on your copy. 491 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 3: So like they'll know who leaked it or whatever. I think. So, yeah, 492 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: I'm not surprised by that. Apparently, if you want to 493 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: show Frozen at your church, yeah, you better have a 494 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: public performance license because it is illegal to show a 495 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: movie outside of your home. Yeah, that surprised me. 496 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: But there are a lot of especially in the summertime, 497 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: a lot of community screenings, like every city now has uh, 498 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: you know, Atlanta shows them and uh, I think at 499 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: Oakland Cemetery some other places in New York. They have 500 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: them all over the place. And technically, yeah, they're supposed 501 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: to have a license to do, so, I'm sure they 502 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 2: do the big ones. 503 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, the big ones, I'm sure do. 504 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: But like at your community pool and you want to 505 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: show et and. 506 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 3: The FED could kick the gate down around the pool. 507 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: I bet everybody. 508 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: I bet they don't love HBO these days because you know, 509 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: HBO go people steal that. They're just like, hey, dude, 510 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 2: what's your log in? Oh right, yeah, and HBO came 511 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 2: out and they're like, who cares? 512 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, people are watching it, yeah, like go watch True Detective. 513 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 2: Maybe you'll sign up for HBO, yeah because you liked it, 514 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 2: or maybe you'll just support the show period on social media, 515 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: even though you're getting it for free. Like we're making 516 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: enough money basically. 517 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: Yes, And that's some thing that a lot of people say, 518 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 3: you know, film industry, we don't really feel that bad 519 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: for you, Yeah, Sean Austin, sit down, because you guys 520 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: made ten point nine billion dollars in America in ticket 521 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 3: sales alone in twenty thirteen. We don't feel that bad 522 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: about this whole conundrum that the MPAA is facing. 523 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: What's Shawn aston Steel he was voices or yeah, yeah, 524 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: oh okay, Yeah, I don't think I knew that. 525 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 3: Yeah he was. I can't remember the there was like 526 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 3: a whole kind of push, an anti piracy pushed a 527 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 3: few years back, and he was the face of it, 528 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 3: part of it. Yeah, yeah, and he looked really mad 529 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: about things too. Du But speaking of piracy, I remember 530 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 3: there was a story that came out recently. It was 531 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: if you think about it at first, it's like wah whah, 532 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 3: But then if if you really kind of lended some thought, 533 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: it's really disturbing. Yeah, there were there was a report 534 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: of prisoners at a prison being shown pirated movies and 535 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 3: some of the prisoners were there for pirting movies. Oh wow, 536 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: and like really think about the injustice behind that. Yeah, 537 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 3: like that's just crazy town. Imagine if you've been like 538 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: selling counterfeit first, and you go to prison and all 539 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: of the all the guards are wearing counterfeit for coats. 540 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: It'd be pretty swing in prison. 541 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 3: It'd be weird, but it would also be unjust. 542 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 543 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, true. But in relation to this, it's just more 544 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 3: and more widespread every day. It feels like it's it's 545 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: a losing battle. I think that the NPAA is fighting 546 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 3: right now. 547 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: Well, I think I read somewhere today that they I 548 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: think they might release a few of the Raiders' names 549 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: per film, not all like thirteen, right, but I need 550 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: to look up that. Look that up again, because that 551 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't see the why releasing a 552 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 2: three out of thirteen names? Does anybody any good? 553 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: It does zero good? Yeah, And speaking of doing zero good, 554 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: there's kind of a new attachment to the rating system 555 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: that they have now. It's called check the box, and 556 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: it's basically a brief description of why a movie is, 557 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 3: like PG. Thirteen, So it'll say like intense sci fi 558 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: action or something like that, or some drug use, yeah, 559 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And some critics of the NPAA 560 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: say it's just basically like shooting a laser beam into 561 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 3: like a fifteen year old boy's brain, like brief nudity. 562 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 3: Come see it PG thirteen, Check it out, kid. And 563 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are looking at it 564 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 3: like it's it's just kind of a disingenuous advertisement, cynical advertisement, 565 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: because the MPAA is accused of not regulating or even 566 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 3: potentially directly marketing to kids under the age of the 567 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: movie that are being advertised. Yeah, so like you're seeing 568 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 3: a lot of ads for like r rated movies on 569 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 3: websites that are like very popular among like the seventeen 570 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: and undercrowd. There's a lot of tie ins for PG 571 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 3: thirteen movies with like kids toys for kids who are 572 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: under who are under thirteen, And so there's like this 573 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: idea that there's the MPAA is supposedly serving America's moral compasses. Yeah, 574 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 3: but really, at the same time, they're undermining that morality 575 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: that they're supposedly defending. Yeah, by marketing and exploiting kids. 576 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be like a cigarette company having a cartoon 577 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: animal as their mascot. 578 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 3: Can you imagine? 579 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: Be weird? Well, one thing about the the subjectivity of 580 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: it and the fact that it is a closed book 581 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: and they filmmakers don't even know, you know what, how 582 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 2: to tailor their movie to achieve a certain rating, I 583 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: mean to within a certain degree, but they've learned how 584 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: to manipulate it because there is no set standard by 585 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: if you watch that film is not yet rated. And 586 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: you've heard plenty of stories over the years about filmmakers 587 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: intentionally putting in things that they never intend to be 588 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: in the final movie. Oh yeah, just to sort of 589 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: distract from some of the other things. So they'll shoot 590 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: something kind of really outrageous to get the MPA's raiders 591 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: haunches up and what they were never going to keep 592 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: that part anyway, right, So they're subverting the system because 593 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: there is no set standard. 594 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're just the stuff they want to keep 595 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: in is comparatively exactly more palatable. 596 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: And if you don't have the set standard where you 597 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: can go and I wonder what those sheets look like 598 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: on the interior, you know, I mean that's the great mystery. Yeah, 599 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 2: surely they have their own interior standards. They're not just 600 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: like watch it and see what you think. Well, they 601 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: have group discussions too, man, I'd love to sit in 602 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: on those. 603 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 3: So the I read Another criticism of NPAA is that 604 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 3: the difference between PG thirteen movies and our movies these 605 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 3: days is the profanity and the sexuality. That they're similar 606 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 3: in violence, if not more violent in PG thirteen movies, 607 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: and that this is kind of messed up, that the 608 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 3: NPAA has very little problem with violence. Yeah, but when 609 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: it comes to bad words or sexuality of almost any 610 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 3: nature except for women being objectified and men being gratified, 611 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 3: then the NPAA suddenly puckers up. 612 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, in any a woman achieving receiving sexual gratification, 613 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: or a homosexual couple NC seventeen. 614 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, virtually like guaranteed or depending on how they do it, 615 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 3: are if it's coming out of like one of the 616 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 3: major studios. 617 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: So in other words, a man can receive pleasure from 618 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: a woman, and of course it's scrutinized somewhat, because any 619 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: kind of sex is more heavily scrutinized than violence. But 620 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 2: if a woman does like you said, or if it's 621 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: a gay couple, it's all over so homophobic, misogynistic. 622 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 3: You decide right, and fetishistic of violence, you know. 623 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like here's one example. There's a great article called 624 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 2: Don't Expect any major changes to the NPA rating system 625 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, and it's basically Chris Dodd, who's the 626 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 2: new head and the gang, digging in and saying, you 627 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: know what, we talk to your average parents and we 628 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 2: pull them and this is what they want. But they 629 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: release No, none of those studies are released. Yeah, none 630 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 2: of those conversations are released. A movie like Filamina, which 631 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 2: you saw, was rated at R. 632 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. It was about a lady looking for a long 633 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 3: lost sun. It was so far from an R movie. 634 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 3: It was ridiculous. 635 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it had a couple of F bombs in it, 636 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: so they cut those out and they bring it to 637 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 2: a PG thirteen. You might think, who cares cut up 638 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 2: the F bombs make it PG thirteen. But there's something 639 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 2: bigger going on here, you know. 640 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a great AV Club article about how just 641 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 3: totally out of step a lot of the ratings are. 642 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 3: And they have fifteen movies listed and basically talk about 643 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 3: their ratings. Like the first one they talk about once. Yeah, 644 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 3: that romantic. It wasn't like a romantic comedy, wasn't. No. 645 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 2: I would say it was a bittersweet, just a modern 646 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 2: day romance told through music. 647 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 3: Right. 648 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't a musical, but there are a lot of 649 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: musical numbers. 650 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 3: Highly inoffensive love story. Yeah, very sweet movie. It had 651 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 3: the same rating as a hostile too, which is basically 652 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: torture porn. They both got the same rating. 653 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we should read this first line from the AV Club. 654 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 2: In early summer of two thousand and seven, two films 655 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 2: were released with our ratings. One feature to scene where 656 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: a naked woman is suspended from a ceiling while another 657 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 2: naked woman slashes her with a scyth and baths in 658 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: Her Blood. The other featured two Dublin musicians singing songs together, 659 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 2: falling in love and opting not to act on it. 660 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 2: Like there was never any sex scene. They didn't even 661 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: get together. Really. 662 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 3: Nope. 663 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 2: They're both rated R. 664 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 3: Both rated are because of profanity. 665 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 2: Rushmore rated R for the uh scene at the end 666 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: whether Max is putting on the play, the Vietnam play, 667 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,479 Speaker 2: and there is a shot of a couple of little 668 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 2: kids looking at on the set. There's some Playboy centerfolds 669 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: up in the locker, yep, like on the Vietnam set, 670 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: and these it shows these little kids like looking at 671 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 2: those like a twelve year. 672 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 3: Old would probably do. And it got an R for that, 673 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 3: got an R for that. Happiness Todd Sollins one of 674 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 3: my favorite movies of all time. Yeah, they tried to 675 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 3: give it an NC seventeen rating, and he said, you 676 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 3: know what, I'm not cutting anything. You who can just 677 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 3: go take a long walk off a short peer is 678 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 3: what I think he famously said to them. Yeah, and 679 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 3: he released his movie as unrated. Oh really, yep, I 680 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 3: don't think I knew that way to go. 681 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 2: Todd Solins, or if you're looking at some serious homophobia. 682 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 2: The Great nineteen eighty nine movie and longtime Companion features 683 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 2: no real sex acts at all, nothing explicit. In fact, 684 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 2: the AB Club says it could show on network TV 685 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: today with just a few alterations. But it was about 686 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 2: a gay couple, and uh so I got an NC seventeen. 687 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. There's something called Afternoon Delight, which was a movie 688 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 3: about a woman who hires a jigalow. Yeah, and it 689 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 3: apparently is heavy on the the woman receiving sexual gratification. 690 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 3: It got an R rating. Yeah, bite, and it got 691 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 3: in our rating after apparently the director cut a lot 692 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 3: of stuff out and the director said, what the hey, 693 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 3: after Wolf of Wall Street came out, Like, have you 694 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 3: seen this movie with like some very graphic apparent sex 695 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 3: scenes between a man and a woman. Yeah, but Leonardo 696 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 3: DiCaprio is the one enjoying it the most, So it's fine. 697 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 3: It's an R right. Blue is the warmest color. Yeah. 698 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 2: Last year that a teenage lesbian love story n S seventeen. 699 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeap got a lot of attention, and there were some 700 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 2: theaters that allowed high school age kids to go see 701 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 2: that anyway. 702 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 3: Because again, this is in law, it's not binding it's 703 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 3: up to the theaters. 704 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just so strange that such a small group 705 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 2: of people have such influence on such a large industry. 706 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 3: And yeah, the secret the more you dig into it, 707 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 3: the more conflicts of interest arise, and the more arbitrary 708 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 3: the standards become, the more blood boiling it is. I 709 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 3: highly recommend you go read some stuff like Rated Are 710 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 3: for Ridiculous by Kirby Dick his little uh yeah, his 711 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 3: little op ed about the MPAA that one US News 712 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 3: and World Report article you wrote or suggested it was good. 713 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 2: I wish I wrote it. 714 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 3: Had you been there, would have been used correctly. 715 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 2: Oh did they misuse it? What? 716 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? 717 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 2: I know, and that's terrible. Uh So the NPA will 718 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 2: defend themselves and they say that there's no such bias 719 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 2: and that we all these objectionable scenes are rated on 720 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 2: the graphic quality and how graphic it is. But if 721 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 2: you just look at the you'd have to be a 722 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 2: dummy not to see these correlations, right, And the fact 723 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: that they don't seem to care that much about violence 724 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 2: in this age where I don't know, does it influence 725 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 2: people to go shoot up a school? Who knows? 726 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 3: Did you see that John Oliver quote that's going around, Yes, 727 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 3: but what was it? It's like somebody on successfully tries 728 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 3: to carry a bomb onto a plane in their shoe. 729 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 3: We all take our shoes off. Oh right, there's like 730 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 3: thirty somethings school shootings after Columbine and absolutely nothing's changed. 731 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, or the onion article that's going around too, now, 732 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 2: is this is something that can't be prevented, says the 733 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 2: only country where this kind of thing happens all the 734 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 2: time something like that. Huh I'm paraphrasing. 735 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the onion. 736 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff, MPa, keep doing the fighting, the good fight. 737 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, go check out, like, just go start reading up 738 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 3: on it. It's funny how much we just take this 739 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 3: stuff for granted, but when just start digging just slightly 740 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,959 Speaker 3: beneath the surface at the very least. See this film 741 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 3: is not yet rated. It's really good, Yeah, really engrossing. 742 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 3: And you know, for every one hundred documentaries that come out, 743 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 3: what five of them are like really great? Sure, most 744 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 3: of them are pretty good, some are terrible. So any 745 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 3: really good one is worth seeing just in and of itself. 746 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 2: Agreed. 747 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 3: You want to learn more about the MPAA. Type those 748 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 3: letters into the search housetifforks dot com and I said, 749 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 3: search pars. It's time for listener mail. 750 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 2: I'm gonna call this wild Parrots. Josh mentioned in the 751 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,439 Speaker 2: Tattoo podcast that he had heard parrots like to hang 752 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 2: together when free, and I wanted to burst in the 753 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 2: podcast booth and tell you about the wild parrots of 754 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 2: San Francisco. I'm not going to get into it except 755 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 2: to say that, over the course of my life, the 756 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 2: parrots in San Francisco are a sort of living legend 757 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 2: that one would occaionally get the privilege of spotting now 758 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 2: and then. However, about three years ago, I moved in 759 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 2: with my aunt in the little San Francisco suburb of Brisbane, 760 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,439 Speaker 2: and apparently the famous flocks of parrots were also making 761 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 2: their home there. Since it was warmer unless windy, these 762 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 2: parrots were often hanging right outside my bedroom window, which 763 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 2: is pretty amazing or no, she says, amusing. I say 764 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 2: it's amazing, but also somewhat annoying, especially since my first 765 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 2: son was just a little guy then and a very 766 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 2: light sleeper, and these suckers are allowed, That's true. They 767 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,919 Speaker 2: are very loud. Also, guys, I'm sending you the link 768 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 2: to watch the preview of the two thousand and three 769 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 2: documentary The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill. So I didn't 770 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 2: know that was a documentary. 771 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 3: I've heard that, Yeah, I've heard of that before. I 772 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 3: never knew what it was about. Amy. 773 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 2: I will check that out. 774 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for writing it. Yeah, thanks a lot, Amy. 775 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 3: If you have a documentary recommendation, we are always interested 776 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 3: in those. Heck yeah, you can tweet them to us 777 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 3: at SYSK podcast. 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