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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson. Is a chilly Friday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: It's getting a little redundant at this way.

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, winds blowing, snow's.

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Speaker 3: Falling, yeh, shoveling, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Shoveling rinse rather in Justin's icy.

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Speaker 3: Driveway and all kinds of problems.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's better than what Justin's gonna be doing tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: And take the plug due for a good cause, for

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Speaker 3: a good cause.

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Speaker 2: But I was telling my wife about it today and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, they could not get me to do that.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no no. But I am psyched to go

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Speaker 3: to Andy. Absolutely not that I'm like trying to get

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Speaker 3: out of Pittsburgh or it's going to be like a

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Speaker 3: warm Yeah, it's not gonna be right, you know, but

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Speaker 3: I am ready to owners and exactly I could.

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Speaker 2: I could go over that, right, that would be good.

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Speaker 2: They should schedule that now. Yeah, yeah, head to West

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Speaker 2: Palm Beach.

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Speaker 3: No good chance. We're there anyway, but they could use

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Speaker 3: it this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be good this week. Uh so, Matt

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Speaker 2: just a little bit ago. Jason from Over the Cap Yeah, ye,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Jason's.

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Speaker 3: Last name is, but I should. Okay, I should too, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because he tweets.

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Speaker 2: He tweets a lot and I follow.

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Speaker 3: He's very good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he put out a little chart.

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Speaker 3: You're a big chart guy, like charge Rafts whatnot.

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Speaker 2: So this is this chart broken into four quadrants, and

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Speaker 2: it has on the bottom part of the chart your

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Speaker 2: wins over the last three years, He's wins over the

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Speaker 2: last three years. On the left side of the chart

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Speaker 2: is available cap space or projected salary cap space. I should,

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Speaker 2: I should?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So if you're in the upper right hand quadront of that,

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Speaker 2: you're a pretty good team that has a lot of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been winning lately and you have plenty of

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Speaker 3: space to do more. Yes, yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the bottom right quadrant are the teams who have

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Speaker 2: won a lot but don't have as much cap space.

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Speaker 2: A little bit right right top left side are the

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Speaker 2: bad teams who have a lot of cap space. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: where you really don't want to be is in the

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Speaker 2: bottom left side where you haven't won a lot of

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Speaker 2: games over the last few years.

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Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, you don't have any cap space.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing Saints and Browns are spending some time in

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Speaker 2: Are right there. Which which quadrant do you want to

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Speaker 2: So in the bottom quadrant bottom left, bad teams with

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Speaker 2: no cap space over the last three years. They could

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Speaker 2: have been good last year. But you've got the Saints,

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Speaker 2: You've got the Browns. They are by far the lowest

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Speaker 3: Falcons are kind of a mess right now too. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: The Jets and the Panthers. Jets and the Panthers. That

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Speaker 2: Of those teams, the teams hovering in the middle there,

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Speaker 2: and he's saying, he's saying about thirty five million in

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Speaker 3: It's kind of cut off the average here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so right right along that line there of delineation

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, they're kind of even steven middle of the

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Speaker 2: Other teams who have haven't won many games but do

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Speaker 3: They have something. They got a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 3: But I would say, if you're the Bears and one

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Speaker 3: Okay, some of those have paid off. I mean there's

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Speaker 2: Last three years, you're looking at Philadelphia and Kansas City,

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Speaker 3: They're like neck and leggy three. Yeah, tons of wins,

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Speaker 3: not much caps base, but not horrendous. They're not in

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Speaker 2: No, but they're not adding a lot in free AGAs no.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they'll keep some of their guys. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then in the upper quadrant teams where you want

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Speaker 3: And look at those teams, I don't see a lot

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Speaker 3: of down seasons. It's not like one of these teams

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Speaker 2: Well, San Francisco's in that group, and they had an awful.

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Speaker 3: They're yeah, they're down this year, but they were in

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Speaker 2: Right now, So you got Green Bay, you got Pittsburgh, Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: Some uncertain if you're if you're running the Niners front

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Speaker 3: I think it's a conversation. I bet it gets done,

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Speaker 3: but it kind of reminds me of two a year ago.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's was it his rookie year. He

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Speaker 3: I think his rookie year, he was made a name

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Speaker 2: You know, he was strong, but he tore the he

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Speaker 2: tore the UCL in his in his elbow right. Last

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Speaker 2: year was an injury leg season. Yeah, across the board

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Speaker 3: He's probably played with his best supporting Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's gonna get worse from here on out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, deebo is gonna be gone, Trent Williams, et cetera. No,

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Speaker 3: assume he'll be their starter this year, right, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, I look at some of the

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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay, Miami, Dallas, Baltimore, Philly, Kansas City, and Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: They all have their quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: I said. Quarterbacks are something to do with this though, too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, like in the top quadrant right next to Steelers,

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Speaker 3: Burrows the only one that I would say, really really

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Speaker 3: I see Lamar, Allen and Mahomes all right next to

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing though, Burrows contract now starts to

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Speaker 3: You're the Bengals, what would it take for you to

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Speaker 3: get your little icon all the way over to like

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Speaker 3: chief Land A lot, a lot, a lot, you know,

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Speaker 3: but you do have the quarterbacks with those guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's it's it's an interesting little I mean,

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Speaker 2: actually have their franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 3: You mean, just period in the in the whole league. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Washington feels real good about it. Chargers feel real good

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Speaker 3: real good about it there on. One of the acts

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Speaker 3: is with those guys, I think it's still too early,

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Speaker 3: but you're encouraged with Nix and May and Will, you

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Speaker 3: don't know, you don't know, you don't know. Then you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know, Saints, no brown SnO Falcons,

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Speaker 2: we'll see Jets, no Panthers. I mean they're in the

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Speaker 2: same boat as the teams with the rookies coming off this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you feel better about him than McCarthy because you.

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Speaker 2: Feel better about him than he did a year ago,

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Speaker 2: but he still put It's the thing with with him

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Speaker 2: is that, Yeah, he played well the last what five

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Speaker 2: or six games of the season, young you're talking about, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was awful. He might have been the worst quarterback

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Speaker 3: Easily need a bench. Yeah, I mean like terrible. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and so yes, you're encouraged. It's going the right direction.

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Speaker 3: But then next step, you know, when you were at

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Speaker 3: this point next year play.

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Speaker 2: Seven, Yeah, they have to start talking about, Okay, do

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Speaker 2: we want to pick up a fifty year options to

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Speaker 2: sign him to a long term contract.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he's into a land yeah or party land,

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Speaker 2: But Jacksonville's you know, yes, they've signed Trevor Lawrence to

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Speaker 3: Not really, so I'll hand you my phone. This is

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Speaker 3: you try to track him down the combine Okay. Yeah.

436
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Speaker 2: On ESPN he has projected bold moves for each team

437
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 2: in free agency, projected him not predicting.

438
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I haven't ready yet, but I was a checker.

439
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Speaker 2: Out of the throwing some stuff out there that he

440
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 2: would like to see happen. Okay, you do the Steelers first,

441
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 2: or you want to save them last. Okay, we'll just

442
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: go down the list.

443
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Speaker 3: It all right.

444
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: For the Buffalo Bills blow the Bengals out of the

445
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 2: water with a t Higgins trade offer.

446
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 3: Wow. I thought they're gonna say, Trey Hendrickson trade offer?

447
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,199
Speaker 3: What would you rather have? If you're the Bills?

448
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 2: They have defensive linemen?

449
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 3: They do. But how good is Higgins? He's coming off

450
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 3: a great year. I think he's like you'd be really

451
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 3: good with Josh Allen. I think he'd be tremendous. Yeah,

452
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 3: but I just wonder are we are we judging him

453
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: like he's one of the top five receivers in which

454
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 3: he's not. He's not. I mean he might be twelve. Yeah,

455
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 3: every team would love him. But are we giving up

456
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,959
Speaker 3: to first for him or something crazy like that.

457
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 2: Well, if you're the Bills and you think that you're

458
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: going to be look, we're gonna be good. We're gonna

459
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Speaker 2: be in to pick him twenty five or lower, right

460
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 2: ebe twenty eight or lower every year.

461
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Speaker 3: I don't want any of those receivers at twenty eight

462
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 3: or whatever they're picking the.

463
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 2: We just drafted one of those and may not work out.

464
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Speaker 2: I mean, really kind of Coleman's kind of to Higgins

465
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Speaker 2: light to begin with.

466
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Speaker 3: That they're looking for it, right, I mean, so if

467
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Speaker 3: you're the Bills, would you give up this year's first

468
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 3: for him? It's a lot. I mean on a franchise tag,

469
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Speaker 3: I don't have cap space. That's the problem. That's the

470
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 3: thing is how you're gonna I mean, you can findaggle

471
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Speaker 3: some contracts. I mean, if I'm the Bengals, I say yes,

472
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 3: because you're renting them at the moment, I guess.

473
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 2: But is that gonna make Burrow happy? Probably not? No,

474
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: not even a little. Hate every second of it, right,

475
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: So don't I don't see that happening.

476
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Speaker 3: I don't see it happening. I think he will be

477
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Speaker 3: a Bengal.

478
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 2: For the Dolphins signed Chiefs guard Tray Smith, which sounds

479
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: nice in theory, but again, the Dolphins captain of a

480
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Speaker 2: cap space.

481
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Speaker 3: He's gonna get twenty million a year. He's gonna make

482
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Speaker 3: a lot. He's gonna probably the highest paid guard in

483
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Speaker 3: the league. It's exactly what they need, which he shouldn't

484
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 3: be the highest paid guard in the league. He's just

485
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 3: going to be fortunate for when he comes out. He's

486
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: like the player.

487
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know, eighth or ninth best

488
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: guard in the league, Like.

489
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's still young coming up the first contract,

490
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Speaker 3: so I'll get overpaid. I would say more realistically, draft

491
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 3: Membo in the first round or a guard or you know,

492
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 3: at least dedicates something to your interior offensive line.

493
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: For the Patriots trade quarterback Joe Milton.

494
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Speaker 3: What do we think the return is going to be

495
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 3: on this guy?

496
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: Some people are talking about him like he's the next

497
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: Brett Farr. I know he played a game at the

498
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Speaker 2: end of the season against the Bills backups.

499
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: And his preseason was good and beat reporters are impressed

500
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Speaker 3: with him throwing the ball far in training camp. Yeah,

501
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: so I think they got him in the sixth round

502
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 3: last year. Maybe they could flip him for a five.

503
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 3: Like people are talking like.

504
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Speaker 2: You get a third or a fourth round pick. I'm like,

505
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Speaker 2: maybe a fourth. I would not give a third, not

506
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: even closed. No, if he were in this year's draft class,

507
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: he wouldn't crack the top six or seven quarterbacks.

508
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: Last year's version wouldn't. This version that looks a little better,

509
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 3: was still in that neighborhood, I still wouldn't get I'd

510
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: rather have Howard.

511
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: He's Jaylen Milroe without the without the running ability.

512
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 3: I think he's got running ability, not like Jaylen Miller,

513
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: not like Milroe, but like I'd rather have Howard. I'd

514
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 3: rather have seven or eight guys in this class than

515
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 3: him today. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

516
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: For the Jets trade wide receiver Garrett Wilson.

517
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 3: The thing is a cupboard so bare at that position

518
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 3: right now, because Adams isn't going to be back. Those

519
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 3: ards on back they're going to I assume they're gonna stink.

520
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 3: Who do you think their quarterback's going to be. I

521
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: don't know that it.

522
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 2: Matters because they're gonna stink. Yeah, from what's available out there.

523
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: If I don't know, they're not in a spot where

524
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: I think that they'll get a rookie.

525
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: Like I could see them having the non Steeler Steeler. Yeah,

526
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: I mean it could be a landing spot for one

527
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: of those two. But I wouldn't be thrilled about it

528
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 3: if I was one of those two. No, But I

529
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: guess my point with the Jets is, if you're going

530
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: to do that with Karat Wilson, why stop there? Like, well, yeah,

531
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: quinnin Williams be the next one. You know, Like the

532
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 3: guys that you're about to pay, should you just here's

533
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: the things like crazy are going to have to ask themselves.

534
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 3: I mean that I don't think Wilson wants to be there,

535
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 3: though too, I don't think he wants to be there.

536
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: The wide receiver pay scale is going to put him

537
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: around thirty million dollars a year, which I think he's

538
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: worth at his age.

539
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: But if you're the Jets, you're like, okay, but we

540
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: don't have a quarterback.

541
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Speaker 3: Right, right? Doesn't He could be open all day long?

542
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't make a difference, right, So many teams make

543
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 3: that mistake. The quarterback has to come before the receiver.

544
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: It really in the build. I mean, those guys there,

545
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: it's a selfish position by nature.

546
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 2: Well that's what they thought when they drafted Garrett Wilson

547
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: because they had just taken Zach Wilson.

548
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there it didn't work out.

549
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 3: I mean their process wasn't terrible. And then they went

550
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 3: and got Rogers and then we'll be find it, you know.

551
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: And then he ignored Garrett Wilson.

552
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Adam up right, and then he was hurt for

553
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: the whole other year. But like, it's a selfish position

554
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: by nature. I'm out there doing my job getting open.

555
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 3: It gets frustrating, you know, football, I'm not getting the football,

556
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 3: and then you become a malecatent and you're not getting

557
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: anything out of the guy who's doing his job.

558
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: I would give I would give the Jets the twenty

559
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: first pick in the draft right now for Garrett Wilson.

560
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: Me too, me too, and then go d line in

561
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: round two.

562
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: I might even give him a little down there.

563
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: I think he's really really good.

564
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's better than any receiver in this draft.

565
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 3: I think he's better than any receiver you can get. Yeah,

566
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 3: I mean including easily easily including Adams and Metcalf and

567
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: like anyone you could get or McMillan or you know,

568
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 3: anyone in the draft or anyone that you could he'd

569
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 3: be the best guy you could get. Yeah, and if

570
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: I'm gona trade Pickens too, it makes that a lot easier.

571
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: But I would love to see him together, you know.

572
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's a he's a top.

573
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: Ten You would be a really dangerous team. Yes, if

574
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: you had Gary, I don't even care who the quarterback.

575
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: Is, right right, yeah? Yeah, okay, And they might be

576
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: getting better.

577
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we're cooking with gas or he's still twenty

578
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: four years old, right, he might not be at his

579
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 2: prime yet. For the Ravens double up at cornerback, So

580
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: they're saying that they need to He's saying that they

581
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: need to go out and get two cornerbacks this offseason. Again,

582
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: they don't have the cap space to do that. I've

583
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: seen a lot of people say that. But they drafted

584
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: Wiggans in the first round. Humphrey's not going anywhere. He's

585
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: thirty though, I mean he is, he is, and that's

586
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: part of the reasons they drafted Wigans. Stevens is gonna

587
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: probably leave. Yeah, but I've seen a lot of people

588
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: cite it that are analytics folks saying, well, the Ravens

589
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: gave up so many big plays. I gotta get better

590
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: at corner. Well they didn't after they made changes, you know,

591
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: like the first ten games were a disaster with coverage

592
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: busts and things like that. I don't think their corners

593
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: a horrible Yeah. I might even improve pass rush before

594
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 2: I improve corner.

595
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: They gotta get one. But I don't think no, you

596
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: need to double.

597
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: Up for the Bengals. It's trade.

598
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: You can't ignore a line and the right right.

599
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: For the Bengals, it's trade defensive end Trey Hendrickson.

600
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: I'm on board with that because I think if you're

601
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: gonna keep Higgins, you're probably gonna have to deal him.

602
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: I was talking about this on my show today. I

603
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: think they need two alignment a tight end, and if

604
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: Higgins leaves seven or eight defensive start, Higgins isn't going anywhere.

605
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: He's not got anywhere. I'm assuming he's there. With Higgins,

606
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: I need to alignment a tight end and like yeah,

607
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: and like almost my entire defense. And if Hendrickson can

608
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: turn into two starters with a draft pick in cap space.

609
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: At his age, except you're subtracting at one your best

610
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: start your best defensive starter.

611
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: Right, you know much else to get rid. They're in

612
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: a bind. They're in a bit of a bud. I

613
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: don't know what else you can.

614
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: Move for the Browns draft better on defense. You got

615
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: to do do not trade Miles Garrett. Well, now that's

616
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: in theory, but he wants the hell out of there.

617
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: Well, there's that. No one ever thinks about the human

618
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: element of it. He doesn't want to be there anymore.

619
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: I think we've talked about this, but deep down, if

620
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: the Browns were true to themselves, Miles Garrett asking for

621
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: a trade makes you better. You're not gonna win with him, no,

622
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: And he's going to depreciate every year, every minute that

623
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 3: you don't trade him.

624
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: The only reason you keep him around is we got

625
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: to sell some Miles Garrett jerseys.

626
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if if your goal is to win

627
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl someday, you have the most draft capital

628
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: in the league this year, but you've done nothing for

629
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: three drafts in a row, give me every pick I

630
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: possibly can get, and if that means selling Ward and Potonio.

631
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Speaker 3: They a tank guy.

632
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: They don't care if they stink, because they've stunk pretty

633
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: much your entire existence.

634
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: That's the fact, right, right, right, I mean like we

635
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: know the same thing's gonna be full. Yeah right.

636
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: You need draft for the Houston Texans trade for Garrett Wilson.

637
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: Oh that's lovely. I love that. Yeah, set up. I

638
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: think they were quarterback receiver together to highest states they were.

639
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: So it's just so was justin fields by the way,

640
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: and didn't know who cross. Yeah, same thing. If this

641
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: is Texans Audio network.

642
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: Well, if the prices of twenty is the twenty fifth

643
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: overall pick, the Steelers have the twenty first.

644
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll give you the twenty first, right right,

645
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: and that might be a team at nineteen yeah yeah.

646
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

647
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: For the Colts load up on interior lineman in the draft,

648
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: d er Roh looks like offense is.

649
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: Saying Kelly's old, but Nelson's still good player a free

650
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: agent though, yeah, true, Yeah, I don't love it.

651
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: For the Jaguars draft a defensive an offensive tackle at five, yeah,

652
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Speaker 2: but who Yeah, there's just not Will Campbell or Calvin Banks.

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Speaker 3: I would rather take the Michigan d tackle or the

654
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: Michigan corner or I even saw people putting what's his face?

655
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Speaker 3: So the Penn State tight end to them you know.

656
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: I mean that's a little.

657
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Speaker 2: Rich for me, but you know, for the Titans, it's

658
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: don't select a quarterback at number one.

659
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Speaker 3: What's the logic behind that. I'd like to get out

660
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Speaker 3: on one if I were them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he doesn't want to reach. He doesn't think

662
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: any of the quarterbacks are worth number one overall, which

663
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: I agree with, but I.

664
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Speaker 3: Tend to too. But I don't. Also don't think Carter

665
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: and Hunter are these no brainer Bosa Garrett type prospects.

666
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: I think they're pretty damn good. I mean, yeah, they're

667
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: gonna go early, as they should if I maybe I

668
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: even can. I don't know if it'll be the Titans

669
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: or who, but I bet when it's all said and done,

670
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Speaker 3: Ward goes one.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just don't know who the team's Yeah.

672
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Giants or Jets or somebody gets crazy.

673
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: And moving on to the AFC West. For the Broncos's

674
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: trade up the draft running back Eshton Genty.

675
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Speaker 3: I'm all about adding Genty. I hate trading up for

676
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: running backs. Yeah, you know, but boy, that's the fit.

677
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: For the Chiefs. It's cut Travis Kelce. You're not going

678
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: to have to cut diary. Yeah.

679
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: For the Raiders.

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00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: It's trade up for quarterback Chador Sanders. I hate now

681
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Speaker 2: you're saying that the Titans shouldn't take cam Ward number one,

682
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: but you're saying the Raiders need to trade up to

683
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: get Shadoor Sanders, and that does not make so.

684
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: Much better than Sanders.

685
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Speaker 2: I do too.

686
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Speaker 3: I mean, you've been saying that for months, but the

687
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Speaker 3: more I dig into it, I don't even think.

688
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: They're I think sanders ceiling is to be an average

689
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: starter in the league.

690
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Speaker 3: I heard the best comparison for him yesterday. If everything

691
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: goes great, Geno Smith. And that's what I and.

692
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Speaker 2: Which version of Geno Smith? The first ten years of

693
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Speaker 2: Gino Smith?

694
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Speaker 3: Now version? Yeah, not super athletic, really good pastor of

695
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: the football. If everything goes great, If everything goes well,

696
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: that's not what I'm doing it. The fifth in the draft,

697
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: they're trading up to two or whatever for.

698
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: The Chargers trade for Tyreek Hill.

699
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: I'm cool with that. Are they at that point of

700
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: their build?

701
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: They have the cap.

702
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: Space, they're the caps space, but they have a lot

703
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: of needs.

704
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: They have a lot of needs that would take one

705
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: of them off off the table, and I don't think

706
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Speaker 2: it costs your first, No, I don't think so either.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it wouldn't. I'm cool with that. Yeah. I mean,

708
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Speaker 3: if you're in run the ball that much and he

709
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: takes the top off and mconkey's your midfield guy, and

710
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Speaker 3: maybe even draft a tight end pretty high too. Yeah,

711
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Speaker 3: let Herbert be Herbert.

712
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Speaker 2: Okay, and look here at the final team in the AFC,

713
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Speaker 2: which is the Pittsburgh Steelers trade for quarterback Matthew Stafford.

714
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Speaker 3: I totally get it. I mean, Cam Hayward's not getting

715
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Speaker 3: any younger TJ. Watt. No, it's your foundational players. Is

716
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Speaker 3: it a one? No, can't be at one. Two can't

717
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: be a one. I can't be a one at his

718
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: age for.

719
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Speaker 2: A thirty seven year old quarterback. It absolutely cannot be

720
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Speaker 2: a one. It can be a two.

721
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Speaker 3: Rogers was two two's from what I remember. Yeah, and

722
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 3: he was coming off an MVP season.

723
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's I don't even think it's that like

724
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: it's a two failed experiment. In a conditional five or five.

725
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: Next year, that could be a four if he's we

726
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: win the super.

727
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Speaker 3: Bowl, win the Super Bowl or All Pro or something

728
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, I think a two's the neighborhood I'm

729
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: all yours. I mean, you got cap space to go

730
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: get your other needs. That the second you know you

731
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 3: were going to take a corner or a nose or

732
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: whatever in the second round and you can go buy one.

733
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: I'd rather draft one. But yeah, I.

734
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: Mean, of all the quarterbacks who might be available this offseason,

735
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Speaker 2: he's the best one.

736
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Speaker 3: It's like the Garrett Wilson conversation. Yeah, who's the best

737
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: quarterback you could possibly add, no matter what.

738
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: So would you give up your first for Garrett Wilson

739
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: in your second for Matthew Stafford? Yeah?

740
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd sign Hardgrave or DJ Jones or somebody like that,

741
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: or definitely a corner. You'd have the your salary cap

742
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: be on its head, but you might be really really good.

743
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean I would certainly be interested trader

744
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: one and two for Stafford and Wilson. Well, and you'd

745
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 3: probably have to give up some major sott something yeah,

746
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: next to your stuff. You know it's not exactly a

747
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: Steelers like move. No wow. Yeah.

748
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: Anyways, that's the AFC portion of Aaron Shats is what

749
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 2: he's projecting he would like to see happen this offseason. Yeah, yeah,

750
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of that stuff would be fun. Yeah,

751
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: we'll get to the NFC when we come back. He

752
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the

753
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and now

754
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: I'll be back with more right after this.

755
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

756
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

757
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

758
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

759
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and is a drive on Steelers Nation Radio

760
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. And we're going through Aaron

761
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: Shatz's piece today on ESPN regarding projections of things he

762
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: would like to see happen or not happen or whatever. Yeah,

763
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: we've gone through the AFC, looking at the NFC for

764
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: the Cowboys extend deron Bland.

765
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: Yuck. Eh, that's pretty bland.

766
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: That is pretty bland.

767
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I think they're off season is all

768
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 3: about stopping the run and running the ball. Yeah's okay, But.

769
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: I get he had five pick six is a couple

770
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: of years now, I know, I know, right, that's as

771
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 2: random as William Gay. Yeah, getting five picks or five

772
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: interceptions in a row that he returned for touchdowns.

773
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: Or digs a year before. With that, it's just you know, right,

774
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: all right, Okay.

775
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: It's not a good cover guy.

776
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: No, it's fine. And extending him isn't exactly on the

777
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: level of trading t Higgins straight for Matthew Stafford. You know, like, Okay,

778
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: it's probably gonna happen, and no one's gonna bad and

779
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: eye about.

780
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: It for the Giants. Don't trade for Matthew.

781
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: Staff I'll say he's been linked to the Giants a lot.

782
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: That doesn't matter. Why would Matthew Stafford want to do that? Right, Like,

783
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: they're not super close to winning. They have more than

784
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: seven or eight games. And oh, by the way, the

785
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 2: defending Super Bowl champion is in their division. The other

786
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: team that made the NFC Championship last season is in

787
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: their division. You're at best their third place team in

788
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: your division.

789
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: I say, maybe you get to that eight nine win Neighborhood,

790
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: but you're probably third or fourth in your division. Yeah,

791
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: and then the year after that, he's thirty nine, and okay, like,

792
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: I think they have more in place than people think.

793
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: Him throwing to Neighbors and Thomas coming back.

794
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: Position where they can maybe trade up and get Kim

795
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: word if they think he's the long term starter.

796
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: Was Actually my next question is if you're there, what

797
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: do you want to do at GM? There? Though? Like

798
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: what I hate about these teams? And the Bears are

799
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: like the worst ever. Okay, we brought back Shane and

800
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: our head coach move up to one and the rookie

801
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: plays like a rookie, and we fire those two and

802
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 3: the new guy get stuck with the quarterback that they wanted,

803
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: you know, and then we do it again, you know, like, yeah,

804
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: just can we do it all at once?

805
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: For the Eagles trade defensive end Bryce Huff.

806
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: Oh he doesn't even play.

807
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: He doesn't even play. Yeah, like who, You're not going

808
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: to get anything back?

809
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: No, he's got to be a big capit. I mean

810
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: he's a huge cabet. Yeah. I mean he was a

811
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 3: big free agent acquisition. Yeah. They don't. Not all of

812
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: their moves work out, no, right, I mean I think

813
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: he's like, if you want to give up a six

814
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: round pick, you could get Huff.

815
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you sew a faith in it. And he's

816
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: a very he's a niche play. He's a niche player.

817
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: He's two thirty pounds. Yeah.

818
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: For the Washington Commanders, trade for wide receiver Cooper cup.

819
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that. Him and McLaurin rold though, they mean,

820
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: but that's a nice safety blanket for you're young.

821
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: But they all time to.

822
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, build around Daniels and you drafted McCaffrey. I'm not

823
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: saying he's tremendous, but at least you have some young

824
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: receiver on the team. Okay.

825
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: For the Chicago Bears, build a pass rush.

826
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Speaker 3: M hmm. I don't disagree with that. Their edge guys

827
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: are decent, but I would another d lineman would go

828
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: a long way.

829
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: For the Detroit Lions, trade for Miles Garrett. I think

830
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: that's now he's saying the Browns shouldn't trade Miles Garrett.

831
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: But he's saying that they should trade for Miles Garrett.

832
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: How about trade for.

833
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: Trey Hendricks Hendrickson or maybe Crosby or you know.

834
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't see Max crock.

835
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's going anywhere there. Yeah, I would

836
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Speaker 3: push my chips in if I were the Lions. You're

837
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Speaker 3: really close.

838
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Speaker 2: For the Green Bay Packers, don't cut JayR Alexander.

839
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he hates them and they hate him.

840
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see that.

841
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: He hardly ever plays for him and.

842
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: They have irreconcilable differences.

843
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't even quite know what's going on there.

844
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 3: I'm not sure anybody does, but there's a lot going

845
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Speaker 3: on there. Yeah.

846
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: For the Minnesota Vikings signed Sam Darnald long term and

847
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: trade JJ McCarthy for pick Za. I don't know that

848
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: you're getting picks Za.

849
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Would the Raiders give your first for him?

850
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Speaker 2: He's saying multiple picks? Yeah, you're not getting multiple picks

851
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: for JJ McCarthy.

852
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Speaker 3: You're just not mean unless it's unless seconds and a

853
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 3: third and a fifth more than a first. No, would

854
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: you give twenty one up for McCarthy? I didn't love

855
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: him last year. Have them coming out with my problem, right,

856
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 3: I don't know a problem doing those kind of deals.

857
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. Like, I haven't seen anything since

858
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: that makes me say, oh, yeah, he's better. I haven't

859
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Speaker 2: seen him at all.

860
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, honestly, like if Drake May would have

861
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: got hurt and was in the same situation, sure, that's

862
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 3: different situation. I just didn't love McCarthy, but some team did,

863
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: I mean it was it? Is it the Raiders, the Giants,

864
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: the Jets. They don't have as much cap space as

865
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: people think though either in Minnesota, they yeah, they have

866
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: a lot.

867
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Speaker 2: They get a bunch of guys that they have to sign.

868
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: Having a rookie quarterback was the move all along.

869
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: At the same time, they just won fourteen games of

870
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold.

871
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, it works. Yeah, no, I don't hate

872
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: that move for them, No, we've talked to even if

873
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: it's a bunch of day two.

874
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. For the Atlanta Falcons trade Kyle Pitts.

875
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: Their cap situation is a lot messier. People think their.

876
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: Cap situation is bad and his fifty year options just

877
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: not to pick it up. Can't even though it's not

878
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: you know, the tight end fifty year option is not ridiculous, right,

879
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: But he's made a Pro Bowl. Oh yeah, yeah, so

880
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 2: that pumps call your last year with them. It pumps

881
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: it up even more than what it should be. For

882
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: what they use him for.

883
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 3: I bet you'd get less than you think. Yeah, fifth fourth,

884
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: something like that.

885
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers double up on the pass rush.

886
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: But Kelsey's replacements it's not really the same though, there's

887
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: a lot more linear I'm sorry, what was that.

888
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: One double up on the pass rush for the Carolina Panthers. Oh,

889
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: I'd go D line, D line D yeah in this draft.

890
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah for the Saints. Don't restructure Derek Carr's contract. Stop

891
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: kicking the car down the road.

892
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: It's insane.

893
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: Eat your vegetables.

894
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. I heard someone saying that Michael Thomas eats up

895
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: like five percent of their cap this year.

896
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

897
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: He hasn't played forever, and he hasn't been good in

898
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 3: five years, you know, And like Cam Jordan next year

899
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: is gonna eat up like six percent. Like that doesn't

900
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: sound like a ton, but it's a ton.

901
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a couple of players.

902
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one twentieth. You know, he's not gonna be

903
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: on the team.

904
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: For the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Cut Rashad White.

905
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: What's that to you? He's on a rookie deal.

906
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: It save some three point three million dollars in cap space.

907
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 3: I never thought he was good and he's a backup.

908
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: Couldn't you trade him for a six round pick? Probably

909
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: this year? Yeah, maybe not.

910
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: I'd rather all the backs coming out.

911
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: I'd draft one the fourth round than give you a

912
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: sixth round for him.

913
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: For the Arizona Cardinals raid the San Francisco defense, saying

914
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: all the guys that they're gonna let Javon Hargrave, Drake

915
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: green Law, it's your various ward, go get him.

916
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: I don't hate it. I think I'd be really focused

917
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: on the d line if I were them draft wise,

918
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean you can't do those things. I'm

919
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: trying to think of. Their defensive coordinator is the Eagles.

920
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: The head coach is the Eagles. Decordinator said, do they

921
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 3: run a Niners like scheme? I'm not sure on that.

922
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

923
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The Arizona Cardinals are the Pittsburgh Pirates of

924
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: the little bit NFL. Like they exist, but outside of

925
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: that area knows that they exist.

926
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 3: And their fan base isn't about it either.

927
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: For the Rams, trade quarterback Matthew Stafford and bring in

928
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: Sam Darnald.

929
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: That's the move. I when I originally heard months or

930
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: so ago Stafford could be on the move, I'm like,

931
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: what are they gonna do? It'd be different if they

932
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: had a second round pick from last year over and

933
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: around or something like that. But if you just want

934
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: to get ten years younger.

935
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: Which they've shown they wanted to They did that in

936
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: the past with Golf and Stafford. They're like, oh yeah,

937
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna move on from Golf. Here, we're going to

938
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 2: trade for Stafford. Stafford's older. But they're willing to make

939
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: that move at quarterback, you know.

940
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 3: But they redid their d line with Donald left, and

941
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: I would understand it. That's kind of a bet on

942
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: McVeigh that I can keep Donald highly relevant, you know,

943
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: and you pick up picks in the meantime. The beauty

944
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 3: of Donald is you don't have to go vay pigs, right,

945
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: you know, it'd be a couple of years in a

946
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: row where you really have a lot of draft picks.

947
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the forty nine ers, they're a tough one.

948
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: Show brock Purty the money, and I'm sorry, I I

949
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: can't pay brock Party fifty million dollars a year. I

950
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 2: don't even know. I want to pay him forty five.

951
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: Would you then trade him? Here's the thing, what are

952
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: you gonna get back?

953
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: I don't know that he I think he is a

954
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: systems quarterback and that's not a bad thing, right right,

955
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 2: But I think the nest has to be really good

956
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: for him.

957
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, for it to work.

958
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: And I don't know that the nest you know, if

959
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: he got traded, Let's say the Giants traded for him.

960
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: Oh so yeah, if he goes to Cleveland or either

961
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: New York team or yeah, some disaster franchise, it's not

962
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: gonna go. We're gonna go.

963
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: No, not at all.

964
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: And they're the type of teams that would trade for him. Yeah,

965
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: but what do you do for you the nine? Then

966
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 3: you don't have a quarterback? Right, would you rather have Donald?

967
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: Unless you're gonna go with Donald? Move? He was there

968
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: last year building right, right? You liked him, you have, yeah,

969
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: you know him.

970
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: I think I would do that if I could get

971
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: a second round pick for Party, and I knew I

972
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: could get Donald, which would probably be cheaper than fifty.

973
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: Million, you'd probably get him for forty Yeah, forty and

974
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: forty five.

975
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: In their ages aren't as much different as you think.

976
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: Now you've worked with him. He's more talented than Party.

977
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: Donald might actually be. They might be might be, but

978
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: it came out of the league a lot earlier. You

979
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: might be better off. But there's a lot of these

980
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: teams just saying I would have signed Donald. Yeah, five

981
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: teams can't sign it. I just don't know how much.

982
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if Rock Purdy were on the open

983
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: market right now right A how much he would get

984
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: and B who would be banging the door to sign.

985
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: Him, let alone giving up a pick and sign. I

986
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 3: think a dumb team would. And there's several of them

987
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: that need quarterbacks. But that's bad business to me, as

988
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: is just giving them market.

989
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: Unless you're a team that's you know, you were a

990
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: Shanahan one of these teams that have a Shanahan disciple

991
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: and run a similar offense, but you better also have

992
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: some skill position players in place.

993
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: I just don't know who that team is. And there's

994
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: a couple of coaches McVeigh Shannon hand that I might

995
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: pick door number two on the quarterback as opposed to

996
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: just settling, you know, like if McVeigh had Darnold, I

997
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: bet it'd still be as good as he was in Minnesota,

998
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: if not better. I don't know, man, And that Niner

999
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: situation is.

1000
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: Tough for the Seahawks.

1001
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: Shake up the wide receiver room, trade Metcalf, trade DK Metcalf.

1002
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: The locket's gonna get covered with.

1003
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh Steelers.

1004
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's a second rounder in return you're

1005
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: not gonna get a first for Metcalf, But.

1006
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: We can't trade all of our picks.

1007
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: No, right, we traded first and second for Wilson and

1008
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: Stafford already. But I'll be it should Metcalf. I think

1009
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: a lot of teams would Metcalf and Pickings on the

1010
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: field together is a little crazy.

1011
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: But that couldn't happen. That couldn't have there'ld be too

1012
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: much volatility to the stadium which is blowing.

1013
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it would be a volcano. Times are good

1014
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 3: to be fine, yeah, I mean Metcalf, even when times

1015
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: are good, people get under his skin and then he

1016
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: starts fighting people. The same thing with Pickens.

1017
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: They're almost the same dude. A lot of ways. When

1018
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: you talk about George Pickens problems, DK, Metcalf is like

1019
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: the the forebearer.

1020
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: Of all this.

1021
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does, especially on the field hostility with him. Yeah,

1022
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: he just knows that you get underskin and everybody does.

1023
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 3: That's what happens.

1024
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: And if I were if I were sitting down with

1025
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: George Pickens, I'd be like I would have him. In fact,

1026
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: if Russell Wilson were to re sign with the Steelers,

1027
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: because he's been with DK, they were throwing together last

1028
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: off season video. I would be like, hey, George, why

1029
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: don't you talk to Dk? Because I actually saw DK.

1030
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: Metcalf was on the Great British Baking Show, a Great

1031
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 2: American Baking Show for the pre Super Bowl, the celebrity

1032
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: on pre Super Bowl and seemed like a really nice guy.

1033
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: He gets on the field.

1034
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 2: When he gets and he even said he's like, I'm

1035
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: not like off the field. My personality is not like

1036
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: my on the field personality, which is true.

1037
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 3: Are a lot of players, a lot of people. I

1038
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 3: was that when I was playing sports. I was that way.

1039
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: I'm a nice guy. Yeah, yeah, put you put me

1040
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: in a.

1041
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: Competitive situation, but it's a liability. It becomes a little

1042
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: I get a little yanky.

1043
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 3: He needs a real it end though. You know, like

1044
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 3: some people Paula maul Lose, the nicest guy in the

1045
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 3: world walking around, but he's a madman on the field

1046
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: because he gets better.

1047
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure a Metcalf gets doesn't make you

1048
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: better if you're out of control, if you're out of

1049
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: control going after other people, or you allow them to

1050
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 2: get under your skin.

1051
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 3: And fifteen you know, yards and flags left and right right,

1052
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 3: But I would still be very interested in Metcalf. Yeah.

1053
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But that is Aaron Shatz's That's the entire NFL

1054
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: we went through. We did, and for the Steelers again,

1055
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: just to remind everybody, it.

1056
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: Was trade for Matthew Stafford at least got to make

1057
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: the call.

1058
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be That would be one that if

1059
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: if the news came out that the Steelers called the

1060
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Chargers or Los Angeles Rams to inquire about

1061
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, to be like, oh, they that makes sense.

1062
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 3: I would hope that that's happened at least right.

1063
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: Right, not for a young guy who they just saw

1064
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: was almost contract last year. And also the team doesn't

1065
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: have a GM.

1066
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: Who'd you call who entered the Postbusters? Anyways, all right,

1067
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 3: let's get to a break.

1068
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: That's going to do it for our number one of

1069
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt now

1070
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: will be back with our number two right after this