1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: Never told your protection of I Heart Radio. And before 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: we start this episode, let's go ahead and put a 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: date on here, because things are swiftly changing, um, and 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: we're often done behind even though we think we're ahead. 6 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: So you know, let's put a time and date. So 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: it is May nine two as well. Uh so we 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: are did we say time? I don't know why I 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: said time. We'll go ahead, do it, so one o'clock 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: 's one twenty here recording. Well, I thank you for 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: that clarification. E s T to be specific, but also 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: just a note, I believe this one is going to 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: be releasing currently it's set to release much later. Yeah, 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: it's supposed to come out early g in so because 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: as we've said, uh, Samantha is moving. I've got some 16 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: fingers cross vacation coming down the line. So there's that. 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: On top of things are quickly changing, is that this 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: is coming out a bit later and we're it so 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: by this point we may actually have the brief income 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: out and be put to law, so who knows, and 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: a lot of devastating changes could be happening. Um, So 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: we were like you know what, let's go ahead and 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: talk about it because with all of the darkness, there 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: is always some silver lining and we do want to 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: be uh aware of that and not always down in 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: the dumps. But you know, that's what I do. UM. So, 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: we've been talking a lot about what is happening with 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: reproductive rights in the United States right now, and it's 29 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: not something we take lightly as it's been a huge 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: part of our subject matter since the beginning of this podcast, 31 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: so we've been talking about it. It's no surprise that 32 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: we are adamant about pro choice as well as adamant 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: about bodily autonomy, especially when it comes to those who 34 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: have uterus is so UM. That's this is something that 35 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 1: we will never waver on. It never was. People who 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: seem to think the old school hosts weren't this way. 37 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: They were. They may just not have been as loud 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: and it didn't seem as pressing. Don't get me wrong, 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: it's always pressing, but obviously it's changing quickly and it's 40 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: been overwhelming, to put it simply. But the one thing 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: we know, when we are pushed against the wall, we 42 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: fight back, uh. And that's where we're at and we 43 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: want to make take a minute to celebrate the people 44 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: who are not afraid to go beyond the unjust laws, 45 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: but to work and help people no matter the cost. 46 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: And I fell like it sounds so rebellious than it is. 47 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: It is, especially in these areas that have had their 48 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: rights taken away or have been banned for a long 49 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: time and I've never had those rights. People are always 50 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: going to fight back and we want to celebrate those moments. 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: And unfortunately in the US we were coming to this 52 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: point when it comes to the reproductive rights, we're having 53 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: to do that. And we know that those in the 54 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: marginalized communities have been fighting for this from jump and 55 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: when it was quote unquote legal and I'm putting these 56 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: in quotes, it was still almost impossible to get access. 57 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about the rebels of the 58 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: anti choice movement. But please note very branding. We are 59 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: not doctors, nor are we medical professionals, and aren't trying 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: to give anyone advice on what to do or how 61 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: to do things. What we're doing is recognizing a movement 62 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: when the rights of the marginalized are threatened, and how 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: people will come together in hopes of saving people from 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: deadly choices when they feel like they have no other choice. 65 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 1: So this is what we're talking about. We're not trying 66 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: to say here today, do these things. Please don't do that. 67 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: Please make sure you research, Please you make sure you 68 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: understand what the risks are. And please also know that 69 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: there are bad people out there doing things in bad faith, 70 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: and so it is good to know and to learn 71 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: of trusted sites and people and all of that. So, yes, 72 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: very caveat. We are not trying to give you advice 73 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: on what to do. We're telling you what has been 74 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: happening in historically indoor presently by other communities. Yes, exactly. 75 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: And if you haven't listened to the past episode on 76 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: the Jain Collective, definitely do that as they made a 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: huge impact in making sure pregnant people were able to 78 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: get access to safe, affordable abortions. But there are so 79 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: many new groups that have come together all around the 80 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: world that are creating their own underground networks to support 81 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: people with uterus is and we want to take some 82 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: time to talk about what they're doing and to celebrate it. Right. Um, 83 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: So just also another caveat to this. As we were researching, 84 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: some of the names weren't said some people were renamed 85 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: so you didn't know their identity because this is a 86 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: dangerous time for many people who are seeking access and 87 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: or helping people to get access as well. So we 88 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: are getting different articles from all around the world, and 89 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: oftentimes we only hear about things that are happening, not 90 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: necessarily the specific groups or people or where to go. 91 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: So you know, if it sounds all mysterious and like shadows, 92 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: it's because of this um so this is what they 93 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: are doing to p themselves and their people. But again, 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: before we talk about the amazing groups coming together to 95 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: protect others and continue in practicing bodily autonomy, we want 96 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: to talk a bit about some options when it comes 97 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: to abortion and abortion access. And when I say options, 98 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: I mean some of the things that people have done 99 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: as options or taking as options. First, as of today, 100 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: abortion is still legal federally, so again we make sure 101 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: to make that priority. We don't know when this airs 102 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: if that's still the same, but right now and even 103 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: if row versus rate is overturned, there are still states 104 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: within this country that allow and give safe access to abortions. 105 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: So even though you may be living, we may be 106 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: living in a state that tries to outright ban it 107 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: or overturn everything. It is still accessible federally at this point, 108 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: and if not, probably on state levels around you, though, 109 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: we are already seeing political opponents talking about restricting or 110 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: banning on a national level that has already come up. 111 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell has said that he thinks it's gonna be 112 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: pretty easy to do so, so if you're seeking or 113 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: need that option, you have that right second, there has 114 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: been a bit of controversy over the return of the 115 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: clothes Hangers, you know, the symbol which was a reminder 116 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: of the links pregnant people would go through to end 117 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: their pregnancies with the wire hangers, which often led to 118 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: injuries and death. And with this looming reversal overturning of 119 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade, many activists have returned to using the 120 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: symbol as as well as the Handmaids Tell symbol for 121 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: a warning about the possible future. But the controversy has 122 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: come out to be is this actually helpful or is 123 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: this the type of fearmongering that could really uh send 124 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: the dangerous message out into the world. Some have warned 125 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: using the symbol could mislead people to think that this 126 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: this is the only solution when there are safe options 127 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: out there, so that was a big part and can 128 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: be delivered to their homes at least the areas that 129 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 1: haven't been affected yet by the current state of being. 130 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: So if you haven't already checked out our episode on telemedicine, 131 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: do so. Bridget came on. We talked about the FDA 132 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: approving the abortion pill essentially to be prescribed through telemedicine 133 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: and being able to be sent out through mel although 134 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: stays have a way of trying to discourage that we 135 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: know this, but it is accessible. And that big conversation 136 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: about the wire hangars and clothes hangers is that for 137 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: young people who may not know that this option is 138 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: out there, and it's been out there for a minute, 139 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: and so people did still don't know that it's an 140 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: option until recently maybe not now. Having that as a 141 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: symbol can really bring dangerous options or mindsets to a 142 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: solution that shouldn't be happening. So that's one. So if 143 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: you are one of those who think that this is 144 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: a powerful statement, we get it, but it can be misleading, 145 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: so be careful what you're doing because what people see 146 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: can really influence someone, especially young ages as well as 147 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: the fact that the handmads tail kind of got really big. 148 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: They're like, please stop doing this, because you're acting like 149 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: this is a future thing. This is not a feature 150 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: thing for many in the modinalized community. So this is 151 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: how they've lived and and using this dystopian idea as 152 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: a is a fictionalized way of being. No, it's been 153 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: this way, so let's stop perpetuating it like it that is. Yeah, 154 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: And I think also, I mean, we've done in several 155 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: episodes about how much misinformation, disinformation and not enough information 156 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: is out there about abortion. So I do think it's 157 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: important that yes, we tell people it's legal and safe 158 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: and accessible while it is and here are your options. 159 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: I think that's really important. That being said, abortion pills 160 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: alike mytho pristone have made it safer for self administered 161 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: abortions with the usage of being legal through telemedicine and 162 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: approved by the f D a UM over twenty one 163 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: years ago has been one of the safer options, though 164 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: it hasn't been highlighted are used much. It's not surprising 165 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: to know that even to obtain the medicine one used 166 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: to have to jump through all these hoops to get it. 167 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: UM everything from having to meet with a doctor, find 168 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: a certified prescriber, and they have to be counseled thoroughly 169 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: about the side effects and risks, which is somewhat unusual 170 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: for a pill that has less risk than even tie 171 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: in all our viagra m hmm. And though it is 172 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: now FDA preor for patients to get the pill through 173 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: the mail, many individual states have already put barriers, if 174 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: not outright bands, on it, including Texas possibly finding or 175 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: jailing for anyone who would prescribe it, and Georgia who 176 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: is attempting to ban allowing it to be sent through mail. 177 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: But that's not going to stop people from finding ways 178 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: to access it, and hopefully with safer measures like these, 179 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: uh than the ways of old. Definitely, I would hope 180 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: so right, And again it's one of those conversations that 181 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: it is not talked about and people don't know it 182 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: can be excessed. Um. Yes, again, if you go through 183 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: we've seen so many moments and we've heard about moments 184 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: where UH pharmacists refused to give it, refused to actually 185 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: fulfill the prescription. So there's a lot of conversations about that. 186 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: But it is accessible now, UH and a reminder, we're 187 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: learning about Plan B, which sounds amazing, and you can 188 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: also access that through tele medicine, and it is supposed 189 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: to be behind the counter, but still you can get 190 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: it without a prescription. Um it's not effective for people 191 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: over a d fifty pounds or as not as effective, 192 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: so that's something to think on too. It seems kind 193 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: of odd, but unfortunately that's where it is, so you 194 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: have to be aware. And Plan B has a lot 195 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: more advertising obviously than the other, so that's something to 196 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: note as well. So why are we talking about things 197 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: like the abortion pill. Well, as many countries around the 198 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: world are trying to tighten the restrictions on abortion, that 199 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: are those who are finding ways to keep people safe 200 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: and helping them in these difficult situations, including getting access 201 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: to these pills. Um And by the way, we're only 202 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: talking about a couple of countries, but that's kind of 203 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: the channel they're going. The route they're going is finding 204 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: ways to access or get these pills and sell them 205 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: on a reasonable price, if not completely free, as well 206 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: as providing them uh instructions on how to use that 207 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: rather than going into a clinic or a shady spot 208 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: and doing medical procedures that could be really dangerous. So 209 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna talking to a couple of the countries, but 210 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: you should know that this is happening everywhere. So I've 211 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: been reading articles in the Philippines and El Savador and 212 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: all of the other restricted areas that have examples of 213 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: people using social media to find connections to get to 214 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: these pills. So it's the safest way that they are 215 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: accessing this and it's something to note um. And also 216 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: much like Brazil, like many countries around the world, only 217 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: allow for abortion in case of life saving emergency rape 218 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: or specific cases that a fetus is missing a part 219 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: of the brain or skull. And in the Brazilian president 220 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: may have made it even more stressful for victims of 221 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: rape to come forward as he's introduced a health ministry 222 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: regulation which requires medical professionals to quote, collect evidence, and 223 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: report to the police anyone who seeks legal termination of 224 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: pregnancy after rape. So we've all talked about this before 225 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: because this was kind of a mandate, not the pregnancy part, 226 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: but the mandate of reporting rape at a school level 227 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: that they had to go to the police, and how 228 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: this deters many victims. Yeah, so we know what's happening here, 229 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: so not sure where there are today with that Brazilian listeners, 230 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: police let us know because we would love to hear 231 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: about this if you have some information. But that hasn't 232 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: stopped abortion from occurring, which we know it never will. 233 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: And one woman or a group of people have been 234 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: trying to keep those who are seeking abortion care safe 235 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: yes uh, and one such person has already paved the way, 236 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: known as Sophia through social media and interviews. Sophia is 237 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: a lawyer, activist, and fierce advocate for abortion care and 238 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: access UM and has been contact for people to not 239 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: only get access to abortion medications, but a support and 240 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: guide during their times of need. And though the risk 241 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: and persistence of being arrested and jailed is very real 242 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: and very high, Sophia and many others understand the need 243 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: for providing help and continue to do so by providing 244 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: ciotech or ms A postal, which many have stated have 245 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: cut the rate of pregnancy, abortion pregnancy or abortion related 246 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: this for Brazil. With people like Sophia who assist in 247 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: limited amounts due to continued threats of being prosecuted UH, 248 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: they have been able to provide safe options and hopes 249 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: of keeping those with unwanted pregnancies safe, as many who 250 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: have turned to Sofia have felt that she has saved 251 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: their lives. One young woman spoke about her choices and 252 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: knowing that if it had not been for Sophia and 253 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: her assistance, she would have done whatever she needed to 254 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: terminate the pregnancy. And she's not the only one, as 255 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: one reports showed that hundreds of Resilians have died each 256 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: year due to dangerous methods of abortion right and in 257 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: one of the articles that I read, UH, they gave 258 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: specific cases of what happened to people and what they 259 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: were willing to do that ended in tragedy. And she 260 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: is able to provide some access. When she talked about 261 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: how many she does, she does like less than a 262 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: hundred a year because she is scared that she's going 263 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: to get prosecuted. Is of note that she is a 264 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: person of color, a black woman, who has been an 265 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: advocate in doing this four years. So as we know, 266 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: most of the times, those who are really changing and 267 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: charging the way and making changing saving people are usually 268 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: the marginalized community. And many activists continue to rally and 269 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: advocate for political reform. Obviously, and then there was a 270 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: specific case of termination of pregnancy where they were trying 271 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: to do it legally. It was a young girl who 272 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: had been raped. Anti abortion activists continued to harass and 273 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: spread misinformation for their agenda about that case and this one. 274 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: It was found that a ten year old girl had 275 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: been raped and impregnated by an uncle, and when she 276 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: traveled miles miles away to get to term the pregnancy, 277 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: anti abortion activists and candidates tried to halt and stop 278 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: the procedure by harassing not only the staff of the 279 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: hospital but the ten year old girl herself. So it 280 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: was bad lining up at the entrance, harassing these people 281 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: and calling this girl young girl many names, as far 282 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: as anti abortion activists saying that she got kidnapped and 283 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: was getting an abortion against her will. It was very 284 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: bizarre misinformation and it worked and it went online that 285 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: this video iss she was shown online um and after 286 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: witnessing the harassment, many female activists came to rally behind 287 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: the young girl and stand for the rights of others 288 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: in the country. According to one report, there are half 289 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: a million women who have to seek a legal abortions 290 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: per year, and with instance like these, many who have 291 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: even legal reasons may seek to do it secretly as well, 292 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: which was put them in dangerous situations. UM, but activists 293 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: like these have who have rallied and continue to protest 294 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: for the rights of every person, even if that means 295 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: putting themselves at risk. Yeah, and then UH. We've also 296 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: talked a lot about what's happening in Poland in the 297 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: last couple of years with its current abortion band, and 298 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: we've talked about the continued activism for pro choice advocates 299 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: and how countries and people neighboring them have been assisting 300 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: those in need of services. And another group working like 301 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: Sophia in Brazil, has been able to provide access for 302 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: those who are seeking an abortion. UH. Groups like Abortion 303 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: Without Borders, who we've mentioned before, have been providing access 304 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: to many people across the country, and they aren't the 305 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: only ones. Another group, Women Help Women, have been helping 306 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: by providing abortion pills by mail UM and have reported 307 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: as of December of one that they have received forty 308 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: six thousand messages asking for help and provided help to 309 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: at least ten thousand people. UH and other groups like 310 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: the Abortion Abroad have raised thousands of euros to assist 311 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: in funds to cover cross for abortions, travel, and even 312 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: COVID test right um and in the United States, groups 313 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: are already starting their own underground networks as many states 314 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: have already placed heavy restrictions to abortion care. Groups like 315 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: bridget Alliance and Haveing Coalition exist to assist people from 316 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: different areas around the country seeking abortion access that they're 317 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: actually located in states that have better access and care. 318 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: They work with people all over by assisting and transporting 319 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: and funding people for access, whether it's by physically transporting 320 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: them by car or housing a person seeking safe care, 321 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: or accompanying the person uh they weren't to provide care 322 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: every step of the way. And accessing assistance like these 323 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: networks has been largely in part to access to the 324 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: Internet and social media. Many of the people who have 325 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: been interviewed about their abortions, which they've had to do 326 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: in secret because of the strict abortion bands, all talk 327 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: about how they were able to find someone through trusted 328 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: groups and social media. So obviously these groups are private 329 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: and we don't know what they are. We shouldn't know 330 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: what they are, but finding a trusted group has been 331 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: really important in this process, and with the possibility of 332 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: an out right band in the US, more groups are 333 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: popping up as well as the existing groups growing exponentially. 334 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: One such group is called reddit Onto, which was started 335 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and has seen a large growth since 336 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: the leak of the Supreme Court document. According to the moderator, 337 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 1: at least forty five thousand new members signed up by 338 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: the end of April. What started as a few hundred 339 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: members jumped to eighteen thousand two over fifty eight thousands 340 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: soon after Justice Alito's brief was leaked uh and the 341 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: group is spread throughout the country, offering to help with transportation, housing, accompanying, 342 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: and some even offering to act as an alibi by 343 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: taking people out as tourists and taking pictures with them. 344 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: But it is important to note that as movements like 345 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: these gain in popularity, there are organizations like the ones 346 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: we mentioned a few minutes ago that exist and have 347 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: been validated as a grassroots effort which also accepts in 348 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: volunteers and raises monetary funds. Right so that point being 349 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: like these are great and eventually mainly do something that 350 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: we have to have if all of these grassroots projects 351 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: start getting shut down. But going forward, the ones that 352 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: are legitimized has holds to a certain standard because again, 353 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of scammers out there, unfortunately, and it's 354 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: always nice to know we have neighboring people as well. 355 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: People in bordering countries in both Mexico and Canada have 356 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: vowed to assist those seeking safe abortions, and people have 357 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: been traveling across borders for a while now. People in 358 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: Texas have been traveling to Mexico to nonprofits like Abortem, 359 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: which is an underground network that's been operating there for years. 360 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: And the abortion has been recently decriminalized in Mexico, it 361 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the stigma has changed order the local 362 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: policies have changed to reflect the new federal policies, which 363 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: is why underground networks like these will continue their work 364 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: um and they have been ascess for so many seeking 365 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: safe abortion access, and groups like this has been quick 366 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: to collaborate with networks in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico 367 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: as they have been some of the most mers restrictive 368 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: policies on abortion right now, and with the current state 369 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: of the bands in Arizona and Texas, numbers of people 370 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: seeking abortion have increased in border towns, but there are 371 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: a lot of limits, whether it's due to cost or 372 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: even in immigration status um and seeking for legitimate assistance 373 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: has been more difficult, as with anything that is under 374 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: the radar. Scams and outright dangerous practices still exist and 375 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: it's something many people are worried about and should look 376 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: out for. But with the level of desperation these bands 377 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: and costs, is reasonable to see a panic for those 378 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: who are pushed into a corner. And yet as in fact, 379 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: the numbers have skyrocketed since the news of the band, 380 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: the amount of abortions that have happened has increased dramatically 381 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: to the point that that people have kind of said, 382 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: you're pushing people to the point that they are not 383 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: sure whether or not they want to have an abortion, 384 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: but because they feel like they have to have no choice, 385 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: they have to decide now. So it's made the big 386 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: flux of numbers, which is saying a lot and trying 387 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: to shuffle through the good and bad and trying to 388 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: get safe access can be stressful and can add to 389 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: that to the states that are putting up bounties quote unquote, 390 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: and I'm putting quotes and bounties because we know what 391 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: that means for those who may be seeking an abortion 392 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: as well. BT doves Andy and I were just recently 393 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that us researching this, it's probably 394 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: gonna put us on a list if it's already started, 395 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: which they're talking about it's already started. UH. Companies like 396 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: Safeguard have been called out recently because they have been 397 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: already called into question about the tracking and that they're 398 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: selling information to police and law enforcement. UM. And apparently 399 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: like there's a big controversy about the period trackers, and yes, 400 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: that has been as a conversation of like they're tracking 401 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: you to see if you're trying to seek abortions as well, 402 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: because we know in states like Missouri and Ohio they're 403 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: talking about going ahead and prosecuting people who are assisting 404 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: traveling outside of assisting to travel outside of like the 405 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: whole game it. So these are really big stressors obviously 406 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: that we need to look out for. We did want 407 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: to have some good news in here, and before we 408 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: get into it, just be clear there are still some 409 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: issues with what we're going to talk about. UH. Stigma 410 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: remains doctor's refuge treatment. The opponents are relentless. UM. Also, 411 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: I just happen to notice a lot of Catholic countries 412 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: in the mix here. Uh yeah, And I do think 413 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: like everything we're going to talk about here, we could 414 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: do full episodes on We already did one one of them. 415 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: But if if there's something that you would like us 416 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: to revisit or listeners, if you have any more additional information, 417 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: please let us know. Um because this is uh for 418 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: a lot of these countries. This is the first step 419 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: and it's still new. But all right, let's talk about 420 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: some positive things we've seen it and you already mentioned Mexico. 421 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: Uh so in any one, the Supreme Court unanimously struck 422 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: down a state abortion law that punished people who got 423 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: abortions with up to three years um or pregnancy, even 424 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: in the case of rape. That again, people should be 425 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: able to get abortions, you know, if they want one, 426 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: but anyway, stating that criminal penalties for terminating a pregnancy 427 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: that had previously been legal were no longer illegal. This 428 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: paid the path for legalization of abortion across the country. 429 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: Many of the activists speaking out about this claimed that 430 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: they were inspired by activism and Argentina, which we're going 431 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: to talk about a minute, even using their symbolic green 432 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: bandanas called the Green wave, which is the theme we'll 433 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: see again and again. A lot of this like watching 434 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: what activists are doing in other countries and other places 435 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: and kind of taking note. It also happened days after 436 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: Texas put into place one of the strictest abortion laws 437 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: in the United States. UH. And then there's Ireland, and 438 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: you can see our past episodes on the abortion vote 439 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: in Ireland, but briefly in Ireland held a history work 440 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: referendum to legalize abortion up to twelve weeks with exceptions, 441 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: partly in response to a tragic and preventable death and 442 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: similar past rulings, including one that dismissed suicidality due to 443 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: carrying a fetus from rape as a reason to legalize abortion. 444 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: This overturned an amendment imposed in nineteen thirty eight that 445 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: was essentially a total ban on abortion. It took so 446 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: much effort and a campaign calling Irish people who could 447 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: afford it to come home. Are even people to fund 448 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: people so that they could come home to vote in 449 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: this UH. And their efforts worked and the vote ended 450 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: up being two to one, and the celebration was very 451 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: very beautiful to see after that. Yeah. In twenty twenty, 452 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 1: Argentina's Congress legalized abortion up to fourteen weeks. Before that, 453 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: it was only allowed in cases of rape or danger 454 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: for the mother, and this law had been in places 455 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty one, dating back to an even older eighteen 456 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: eighties six law. But the grassroots feminist movement, the Green Way, 457 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: which we talked about earlier, was determined and persistent. And 458 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: at the same time, the Congress also voted for a 459 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: bill that would provide better resources and care for pregnant 460 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: women and new mothers. It was believed this ruling would 461 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: have a quote domino effect in the region uh in 462 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: a region of many Catholic and extremely anti abortion histories, 463 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: and it did. And yeah, they've influenced their chance all 464 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: across the country, kind of impacted the entire world, where 465 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: we see examples where people are taking their chance and 466 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: using it in different other countries and other protests. Beautiful 467 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: to see. And then there's Colombia, which in early two 468 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: Columbia decriminalized abortion in the first twenty four weeks, something 469 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: many directly relate to similar rulings from Argentina and Mexico. 470 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: It was a five to four ruling, so really close, 471 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: which is what we've seen. I feel like across the board. 472 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: Um before that, abortion was only allowed when the pregnant 473 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: person's life was at risk, life threatening risk to the fetus, 474 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: and or rape or incest. People celebrated this historic ruling 475 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: on the streets, but remained vigilant, especially given was going 476 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: on in the United States. And I think that's what 477 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: we're all looking at, is the flip flopping of oh no, 478 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: is this Luke, should we watch out for this? Yeah? 479 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: I would actually love to come back. And because I 480 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: read a really interesting essay about from someone from Ireland 481 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: about Roe v. Wade and the impact it had on 482 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: Ireland and her activism and seeing it now what's happening, 483 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: I think that would be great to kind of sad, 484 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: but great to come back. And I mean it's obviously 485 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: it's connected and not just the United States. Like we've 486 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: watched what's having in Poland and we're like, oh no, 487 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: this is happening here. What even though like the religion 488 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: aspect is still here, but different types of denominations. It's interesting, 489 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: it is it is then in we're kind of jumping 490 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: around timeline wise, But in twenty nineteen, South Korean judges 491 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: ruled that an almost seventy year abortion band be lifted 492 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: in a very very close vote. Abortions up to twenty 493 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: weeks are now legal there. Previously abortions could come with 494 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: heavy fines and jail time. This reversal was a result 495 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: of many many things. It directly went against other government 496 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: policies like population control um for one, social attitudes preferences 497 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: for boys ever girls, resulting a lot of illegal abortions. 498 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: There was a lot going on. Again, we could come 499 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: back to all of these and really dig into it, 500 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: right and then the adoption, Like I know we've talked 501 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: about it previously, but for South Korea, adoption was a moneymaker. 502 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: And it's kind of interesting to see that type of 503 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: attitude with all of what was happening as they were 504 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: like literally selling out children. Yeah mmmm uh. And in 505 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: New Zealand decriminalized abortion up to twenty weeks of returning 506 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: a law that had been in place since nineteen seventy seven, 507 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: a law that required the signatures of two doctors and 508 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: only in the case of what was deemed a serious 509 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: health issue. So some positives positives. So I was reading 510 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: under one article they said that the only really three 511 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: countries like had literally changed their legalized abortion essentially like 512 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: he has the criminalizing or lessening that's happened, but it's 513 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: not the same level of the overturning as it happens 514 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: this nineteen seventy four that only three countries really had 515 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: progress with that, and I'm like, huh, that's interesting and 516 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: we're going backwards. Wonderful. It's good to know that all 517 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: these countries, while they're made the first step stipulations, it's 518 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: a constant fight until something is codified, which we were 519 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: hoping would happen in the US, but it didn't. It 520 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: would not remain in place. It could be overturned, and 521 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: that's the scary part to it. Um. I know Chile 522 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: had a lot of good things happening, and a part 523 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: of that conversation was that they could change the constitution 524 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: and they can rewrite or at least revamp the constitution 525 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: with it being modernized, which is probably the conversation we 526 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: need to be having when it comes to rights like 527 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: this and really coming to date with what is needed 528 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: for the world today, because a lot of it is 529 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,479 Speaker 1: if we're gonna based it out of historical context, it 530 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: was all racist, sexist, uh, and yeah, killing people, So 531 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't for everyone. It was for the elite, So 532 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: that's another conversation we should have. But with so much 533 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: happening around the world, there's a lot that can cause 534 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: us to be concerned and then some but a few 535 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: things remain. Banning abortion will not stop abortion from happening, 536 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: just safe abortions and though times have changed from the 537 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: Jain Collective days, which you should definitely go listen to. 538 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: Um I also did a podcast with Margaret Killjoy called 539 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. We talked about the 540 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: Gaine Collective and then just the bigger movements that happened within. 541 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: So if y'all want to go take a listen to that, 542 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: as well as past host Bridget and Emily, who talked 543 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: about the Jain Collective as well, should definitely go take 544 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: a listen about what they did. But all of that 545 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: being said, just because it's not that same attactics, it 546 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's accessible. Cost for abortions by self administrating 547 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: drugs or medicines doesn't mean that it's accessible. Scammers are 548 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: out there and those who would extort people for profit. Uh. 549 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: It could also be that people are scammed by jugs 550 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: that could harm people or not do anything at all. 551 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: So literally, just being given c bows pretending to be 552 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: these types of things is scaming people out of thousands 553 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: of dollars. Banning access to safe abortion and reproductive healthcare 554 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: harms people and oftentimes places people in unnecessary danger. Thank god, 555 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: we have social media for people that access and communicate 556 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: with others hopefully read it. Threats like the Auntie thread, 557 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: Hopefully are showing them how where to go to find 558 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: a safe access. But we know that without that people 559 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: go to links in what they think they have to do. 560 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: Young people will do it all the time. We've seen it. 561 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: Brazil actually talked about during their band how the rate 562 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: of deaths by suicide for young pregno people went up, 563 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: and that is a concern that is of heavy concern, 564 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: and this is something that needs to be reminded that 565 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: this is not helping anyone. This is just putting more 566 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: harmful practices in place. And as a reminder again, it 567 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,719 Speaker 1: is still accessible in the US. Abortion is still safe 568 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: and accessible today, and even if Roe v. Wade is overturned, 569 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: there are places in the US that can still provide 570 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,239 Speaker 1: and will provide help in a safe environment. And if 571 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: you know someone who's looking or fields that they can't 572 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: turn to anyone else. Please please look at these grassroots 573 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: that we mentioned. Also go to a national network of 574 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: abortion funds or it is abortion Funds dot org, which 575 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: work to help quote this from their site, remove financial 576 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: and logistic barriers to to abortion access and can help 577 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: you find local abortion providers or help you find ways 578 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: to safely access it. So it's really really important to 579 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: know that those are there and it will remain and 580 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: it will continue to remain, they will continue to work. 581 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: These people have been around and have been able to 582 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: access it. Also as a reminder, be diligent and research everything, 583 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: and we're talking about everything. If you're seeking help, research it, 584 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: if you're looking to donate or volunteer, research who you 585 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: want to fund or assist. Look at your local providers. 586 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: Be diligent and making sure you know who you're getting 587 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: involved with, Look at their motives, look at their history, 588 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: look at their records. UM there's a lot of conversation 589 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: and a divide that's happening in certain organizations who have 590 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: been very uh anti trans Those are people to be 591 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: aware of. They are already a UM uthering people to 592 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: saying who can cannot have access That should not be 593 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: a part of the conversation. If it is, that's a 594 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: huge red flag. Make sure you know who you're talking to, 595 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: make sure you know that it's actually going to where 596 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be going. We're not talking about nonprofits 597 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: getting salaries. Things like that happen, but if their majority 598 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: of the chunk of their money is going to things 599 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: that are not helping the individual, that's a red flag. 600 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: And above all else, take care of yourself. Give yourself 601 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: as much kindness and compassion as you want to do 602 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: for others. That reminder, there's a lot going on, There's 603 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: a lot that we can do, but advocacy only works 604 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: if we can advocate for ourselves as well. Yeah, yeah, oh, listeners, 605 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: we love you so much. We do. We want you 606 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: to take care of yourselves. And yeah, if you feel 607 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: comfortable sharing your story or your any resources or what's 608 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: going on where you are, please do so. 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