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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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Speaker 1: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 1: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 1: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

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Speaker 1: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be nothing new here for you, but you

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Speaker 1: can make your own decisions. All dem crazy died word.

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Speaker 1: Millions of Americans took to the streets to protest police violence.

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Speaker 1: They were met with police violence on a massive scale. Shootings,

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Speaker 1: vehicle attacks, and assassinations occurred alongside these protests, often in

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Speaker 1: defense of the police, and in total, at least twenty

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Speaker 1: five Americans died. We now know that President Trump repeatedly

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Speaker 1: calls to use their men to suppress domestic descent. National

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Speaker 1: Guard were called in to police several major cities, but

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Speaker 1: the violence the state will do to avoid change. And

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Speaker 1: then Trump lost the election. He and his followers tried

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, business went on

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Speaker 1: as usual. A version of normal prevailed. In twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: the military of Myanmar, known as the Totmadau, overthrew the

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Speaker 1: the internet. This is their story. We're sitting in a

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Speaker 1: It was immediately obvious that Andy needed the chance to

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Speaker 1: is cool, Yeah, I till the world. So basically the

429
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: song is like, yeah, they sang it in the back

430
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: in the AD eight and then it's like we used

431
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: it quite a lot when we were in the protest too. Um. Yeah,

432
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: the laris are We'll keep fighting until the end of

433
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: the world. For the sake of history and revolution in

434
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: our blood and of the fallen heroes who fought for

435
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: the democracy. Um oh, our DearS heroes. This is the

436
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: lend of like heroes. M hmm. Yeah, and yeah it

437
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: goes on and then m yeah, basically saying like something

438
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: like the history went wrong along the way, but we

439
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: have to fix it. Yeah, like the country has shuttis

440
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: blood and how could they commit such violence to its

441
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: own people, you know, um yeah, and yeah, like they say,

442
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: like the blood on the rose and the streets are

443
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: not dried yet. Um. And for the sake of these

444
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: people who have die for the democracy, for fighting for democracy,

445
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: for the sake of them, we have to keep fighting basically. Yeah.

446
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: Now in their exile, they keep singing it to remember

447
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: the first day of the revolution, when the fights are

448
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 1: in the street, not the jungle, before they lost so

449
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: many of their comrades. And then that was a night

450
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: protest in front of the police. Issue candy. Oh, this

451
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: is they're singing the song that the sing Yeah, I

452
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: got very very heated. The protests our friends were just

453
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: talking about occurred in reality, but the song popped up

454
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: all across the country when you played it and young

455
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: you will sing it? Yeah, there they and yeah, it

456
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: was in one guitar. It was a whole band, like

457
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: will you have like protesters sitting down and then there's

458
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: a group of people who are playing this and repeatedly

459
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of songs that will play. And

460
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: then there was like words that we would say and yeah,

461
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: so getting myself, yeah, being down and you'll see from

462
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: the footage, Oh yeah it's yeah. Yeah, how does it

463
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: make you feel seeing the game now? It's scary, you know,

464
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: it's like this song is very real. So like at first, um, um,

465
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: we didn't want to play the song. It's too dark,

466
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: it's too um it's too intense, right yeah, like yeah,

467
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 1: but it's not like the levers are they're like you

468
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: can see it, you know. It's like because we've don't

469
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: we've been through it too, so it's very intense. And yeah,

470
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: I think the first time I heard it, like I

471
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: heard the song, I remember that we were few and

472
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: of yeah, I still have it like every time we're

473
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: saying it now. This is not one of the songs

474
00:28:40,960 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: that we usually say. It's not a fun song. Yeah,

475
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: bo video must Room Wait the more crazy died word.

476
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: On the next episode, which you'll be able to download tomorrow,

477
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: we'll talk about how the Hunter began to clamp down

478
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: on the protests. Now the protesters decided this struggle was

479
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: too important to abandon and decided to fight back. Oh

480
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: Like many people in my amber, the boys weren't usually

481
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: political before the protest, but what they saw in the

482
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: street to change them. This wasn't about the minor disagreement

483
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: between two parties. It was about fighting for the right

484
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: to live their lives without a boot. On their next election,

485
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: had delivered victory to Asan Suki's National League for Democracy

486
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: and delivered a resounding vote of no confidence in the

487
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: political arm of the top of the door, the nation's military.

488
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 1: It's worth noting here that yes, we are compressing some

489
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: complex things. The elections weren't perfect, and people in areas

490
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: that were largely non Berman tend not to support the NLD.

491
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: The NLD had failed to prevent a genocide, but in

492
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: the country that was well accustomed to harsh military rule,

493
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: there remained a better option than a military which saw

494
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: ruling is its right and it's sold just a separate

495
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: from the citizens. So when the military lost a record

496
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: number of seats. Everyone knew what would happen next, the

497
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: same thing that happened in the same thing that always

498
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: happened when the people came a little too close to

499
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: taking power from their military. So that happened on the

500
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: very first one and the first few days we didn't

501
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: know what to do. We I mean we we knew

502
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: the military was going to make it coop because one

503
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: the analogy won the election. That's why. That's how it started,

504
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: right and then and the military saying that they you know,

505
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: they cheated, they like, I don't know how to say,

506
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: they like funked up the votes, and you know, they

507
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: make themselves win. It wasn't true. I mean, the military,

508
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: what's not gonna win at all? Like it was because,

509
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: like I said, there were changes. You know, people saw

510
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 1: those changes, and and people were saying, yes, if she

511
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: had one more you know, like four more years, qight

512
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: more years, she could make a real difference. Those first

513
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: few days of protest, everyone says felt hopeful, just like

514
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: our protagonists and Zor who he met in the previous episode,

515
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: thousands of young people ran into the streets and found

516
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: solidarity in a simple politics to fuck that guy. There

517
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: were so many people man insane, so in reality there

518
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: was I think two hundred thousand people that day. The

519
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: marches got bigger every day and it seemed like nothing

520
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: could stop them. Briefly, Western news organizations public stories and

521
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: everyone hoped that the U N or the U S

522
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: or EU would show up and the Top Meadow will

523
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: be dealt with once and for all. Yeah, I was

524
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: trying to film, but then one of the guy pointed

525
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: a gun at me and I was like, but none

526
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: of that happened. The stories stopped. The West never sent

527
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: a single bullet or soldier, and the Top Meda deployed thousands.

528
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: Even after a year. All the boys remember the first

529
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: time they saw the force of the state turned against them.

530
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: Even before he got out of the border town of Milwadi,

531
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: and he saw the Top Medau begin to fight back

532
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: against the movement that had grown up to oppose them.

533
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: It's a story we heard from everyone we spoke to.

534
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: Once they began organizing, the cops started trying to infiltrate

535
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: their groups. I think police and military started realizing that

536
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: we are that group too, so then they started trying

537
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: to like tracked down. So there was one night where

538
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: two of the guys almost got arrested and then they

539
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: ran away and then we're like, okay, they were kind

540
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: of following us. Yeah yeah, And so after a week, Um,

541
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: the same thing happened. I was living because I wasn't

542
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: from yality. They didn't know I was just a new face,

543
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: so they didn't really know where I lived or you know,

544
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: and I always like take like two or three taxi

545
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: just to get to where I was there. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

546
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: but the same place or you like switching. No, that

547
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: was the same place, but it was out of town.

548
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: Three of his friends got arrested. They're still in jail.

549
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: Actually in jail is the best case scenario because the

550
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: top medal make a habit of executing captured activists. The

551
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: stakes were life and death at every moment, and covering

552
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: the movement on a daily basis took its toll on

553
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: Andy and his brothers too. So my younger brother, Um,

554
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: they were in the capital city and that the first

555
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: time the military killed someone, they were there, they were

556
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: in the same protest, so they saw the whole thing,

557
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: and you know, they were traumatized. And so I thought

558
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: at the second time, I went back and I thought, well,

559
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, like it's better to bring them all together

560
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: with me, like in the same place that we do

561
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: it together than all of us spread out everywhere, you know.

562
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: And like I said, my family's military on the military side,

563
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: so they didn't like that my brothers were going out

564
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 1: to protest. So that I was like, Okay, I'm gonna

565
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: bring you guys, um, and yeah, so we did all that.

566
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: We did the young protests together, six of us. They

567
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: came face to face with the potential cost of their

568
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: struggle and they were in neapedal when that happened. They

569
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: and it's it's military city, so it's very heavily controlled

570
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: by the military. And the first time they went out

571
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: to the protest um, the military shoot people. And he was, yeah,

572
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: there was like these trucks with the water penants. So

573
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: he got here by one and like he he wasn't

574
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: feeling well, so they took him to the angulands. But

575
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: then once he got in there, there was a guy

576
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: without his eyes because they shot like broad bullets into him. Um,

577
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: he was When Andy says Napierda is a military city,

578
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: he isn't just saying it's a city like Colleen, Texas

579
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: or San Diego Napioda is a city created out of

580
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: nothing starting in two thousand two to be a capital

581
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: for Myanmar. If you've seen it at all, it's probably

582
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: in a TV show that mocks the totalitarian excess of

583
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: building seven lane motorways in a city that was until

584
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: recently only populated by the people building it. Top Gear

585
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: played car football on the empty freeways, and the TV

586
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: show Dark Tourists also featured the city. Today, it is

587
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: a real city with a real population, but everything about

588
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: it was designed to reinforce authority. And yet the boys

589
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: and thousands of others took to the streets here, streets

590
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: built to reinforce the power of the people they were

591
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: fighting to demand that the military listened to them. Andy

592
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: shows us a picture of the man with his eyes

593
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: shot out. It looks how you think it would, and

594
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: it is worth noting that shooting people's eyes out is

595
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: a time honored international policing tactic. US cops shot more

596
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: than a hundred and fifteen people in the face with

597
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: less lethal munitions, thirty suffered permanent damage to their eyes.

598
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: But in Myanmar everything escalated several levels higher than that.

599
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: Shooting out eyes wasn't radical violence. For the Totmadal, they

600
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: treated it more like stretching before a run. In one protest,

601
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: the boys saw some drunk people tossing water bottles at

602
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: the police. The police responded with live gunfire from the

603
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: police can fall. The people's are turned to the side

604
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: and the retreat. Yeah, yeah, very intense situation. Peoples are running.

605
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: They also some guys during rocks back to the police.

606
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: That's when the police shooting. Andy translated the next part

607
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: for us. He so he was in the protest and

608
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: then they started shooting, and he ran away and got

609
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: a mail. But he was not in his neighborhood or

610
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: in his area of the city. He was somewhere else.

611
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: Um So when they started running, he didn't have anywhere

612
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: to go. And then someone um like accepted him at

613
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: the house. They say, coming, coming, and he hid and yeah,

614
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: so yeah, he hid in that house for like two

615
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: hours until the shooting stopped. It wasn't until they got

616
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: home that they realized the police had killed someone. In

617
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: the early days of what became the revolution, people formed

618
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: tight bonds and made radical commitments in the form of

619
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: legal activity. Well, the top of the door was still

620
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: scrambling to counter the counter coup. Everyone felt the clamp

621
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: down bite at a different time. It longer than average

622
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 1: for the cops to find the mirror and her carter

623
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: of revolutionaries, but eventually that day came. It came, and

624
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: she and her friends were gathered in a T shirt

625
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: preparing for an action. At that time on that day,

626
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: they are trying to protects in a sandal provenience. Uh

627
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: so before the protests that they catering the people at

628
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: the T shop. Uh. They sitting in the table with

629
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: with her teams about including her five people, but she

630
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: had to go and give the banner to the other groups.

631
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: So she's leaving just about like this match. And then

632
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: then the soldiers came into the tea shop and then

633
00:38:53,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: arrested her teammates. She's lucky to escape it, yeah, really narrowed,

634
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so did she could leave immediately? Yeah? Yeah,

635
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: So that's how she came here because her teammates know

636
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: where she left, her house and everything. So she has

637
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: no choice to stay in the Younger, but that she

638
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: stay organizing her teams to the protests in the Younger

639
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: from here? From here? What her parents think when she

640
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: had to leave, So her parents told her the survival.

641
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: It's the first so she can do whatever she wants

642
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: and then but she have to be on her own. Okay,

643
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: well yeah, and then they don't they agree, you know,

644
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: like if she wants to leave, just leave. If she

645
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: stay want to do the you know, uh, protesting or

646
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: whatever she wants, and they're not saying no to her,

647
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: but they're not supporting. They just sort of thing she's

648
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: on her own. Yeah, she's on her own. That's that's

649
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: how last night I told you guys that she lost

650
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: her inheritance. Uh, like you know, she had to give

651
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: up on everything. Well, every in San Francisco. T K

652
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: could see what was happening through his scouts on the

653
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: ground and soldiers post on Facebook. He started to amass

654
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: a huge amount of intel. He also knew where the

655
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: underground groups and obedience movement centers were in the city's

656
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: and when he saw the cops of the military coming

657
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: for them, he was able to give them their heads up.

658
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: So whenever we we have like you know, information about

659
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: from the you know, some cd M soldiers, some CIDIUM police,

660
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: and then they gave him the informations had so we

661
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: got to inform mentions. So like okay, those guys are

662
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: going to the you know, let's say, okay, this place

663
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: and within one hour so from that place wherever living

664
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: the underground kings move out to get out. Yeah, get out. Yeah.

665
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: So so so that kind of things are with with that,

666
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: we save a lot of people. And then we got

667
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: arrested people too, But we also saved people. Everyone we

668
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: spoke to told us the same story. They went into

669
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: the street thinking that if they made enough noise, the

670
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: world would listen, and that the US or the EU

671
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: or the u N would defend democracy and invoked their

672
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: responsibility to protect innocent people being gunned down in the street.

673
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: To quote from the online publication The Diplomat, endorsed by

674
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: all Member States of the United Dations in two thousand five,

675
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: are two advances a potentially revolutionary idea that state sovereignty

676
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: entails a responsibility for government to protect its population from

677
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: massive trustee crimes and human rights violations. When a nation

678
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: fails to exercise this responsibility, our two P grant the

679
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: international community the legal warrant to intervene. The doctrine authorizes

680
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: the use for a range of coercive tools, with military

681
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: intervention as a last resort. People in Myanma thought that

682
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: if they were peaceful, civil and respectable, the government of

683
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: the world would do the right thing. The government of

684
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: the world, however, didn't give a fuck. But yeah, so

685
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: the protests are very very peaceful, you know. It's it's

686
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: when you go into the protest, it's very peaceful, very organized,

687
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: very um it's they try to make it look so clean,

688
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: so nice because I guess you know, no, it was

689
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: at the beginning they were trying to get attention from

690
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: the international community, and they were hoping that someone will

691
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: come in and say, you know, take down the military

692
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: and put our government back. Yeah, a lot of people die,

693
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: just like there was this saying like to you, and

694
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: you know, people were saying how many like how many

695
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: dead people do you need for you to take action? Right?

696
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: And there are people saying I will if you need

697
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: one more, I'll be that person. I'll just sucking die.

698
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: I'll just get killed by the military so that you

699
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: will come in and fix it and change the situation

700
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: in the country. Right. A Mirror felt the same. She

701
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: even organized the protest five people displaying the map of

702
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: the whole country on the river and you ain't going

703
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: She called it a suicide mission, but she thought it

704
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: would send a visible signal to the world and it

705
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: was worth risking her life to make the statement. At

706
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: the time, she she she didn't know anything about the politics,

707
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: so she believed in our TWOPI because people are protesting peacefully,

708
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: but the government take the action. So other countries are

709
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: gonna wait in and see and then they're gonna take

710
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: the actions about that. That's what she believed in. And

711
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: then she she decided to go protesting Peacefolly Theater And Okay,

712
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: did she think that other countries, United States, whatever, we're

713
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: gonna come in and intervene. Yeah, yeah, that that that's

714
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: what she thought, Like, you know, I want the wall seal,

715
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: the government take the actions and the convernment killing people

716
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: and if they if the war knows, and then we

717
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: can get a hab from the front. The other countries

718
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: where they did find support within other countries in Asia,

719
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: fighting games dictatorship, they formed the so called nulk Ti Alliance.

720
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: Drough on the example of Hong Kong to learn how

721
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: to stay in the streets when the government doesn't want

722
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: you there. But then when it happens in our country,

723
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: it's like, oh fuck, where does it happen before. And

724
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: then we went back straight with Hong Kong and there

725
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: was it's not just us, like, there were so much

726
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: infographics and like you know, how to be in the protests,

727
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: how to do certain things. It depending on the situation. Um,

728
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: so we had a lot of information. We were yeah,

729
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: we were looking through and I think that these are

730
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: the same thing that like people in Hong Kong used,

731
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: I think, but Hong Kong didn't have sniper shooting kids

732
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: in the head or cops faring rifles blindly into crowds.

733
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: But then later on, like by the time we got

734
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: too young and people were sitting down, they were little protests.

735
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: What the military does is they would come in and

736
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: they would just start shooting everyone. There was no there's

737
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: no negotiation, there was no hey, guys, can you move

738
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: and then you know any any of that stuff. They

739
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: were coming and they would treat this as a battlefield.

740
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: And it didn't take a while, and didn't well, it

741
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: did take a while. I think it's it took about

742
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: like a month and a half for us to finally say,

743
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: fuck the peaceful protests, the international community, they're not coming.

744
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: If they would have come, they would have come a

745
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: long time ago, you know, and we started fighting back.

746
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: But when we say we fight back, it's like molt

747
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: to cut tails slingshots. Dr Wondon exactly when and how

748
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: police were killing people. He would spend his days charging

749
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: people who would survive from those who might not make it. Soon,

750
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: the worst nightmares of his medical team are coming true

751
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: and the police began seizing his colleagues the alleged crime

752
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: of saving lives. I remember before the military Melify police,

753
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: a military man totally totally intruded our hospital one day.

754
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: I think at the middle of their may. Okay, they

755
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: totally intruded our hospital because the they have hearts our

756
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: city and doctors are doing operation at that hospital because

757
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: we have no more another police like that. Roum Trauma

758
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: said that we we could give good treat man for

759
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: that Trauma division because we have to take a risk.

760
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna take a rest soon. One of

761
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: our concenter was arrested at and Majesty Unity because he

762
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: took he took also his race. But if he wasn't here,

763
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: his junior can't handle that situation. You know. You know,

764
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: so many tense hand dress injury endure patient on that day,

765
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: mostly are can't you our pasion? You know, some are

766
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: open at domen open limbs. Okay, so we have so

767
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: many prices on that not things only got worse. Yeah. Yeah.

768
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: There was a pregnant woman who got shot and obviously

769
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: with the kids, and she died because she accepted like

770
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: twenty protesters in her house and when they came, they

771
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: shot and she wasn't like five weeks. Oh it's it's

772
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: you can see that she was pregnant. Molty used straight

773
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: up real bullets, like they don't give a ship, They

774
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: don't give a ship. That the way the military control

775
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: people is fear right, So then they want people to

776
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: see that if you go against me, you'll die horribly,

777
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: and they shoot hat. We saw so many faces with holes,

778
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,479
Speaker 1: you know, so many people with holes in their face,

779
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: and it was fucked up, and it was scary because

780
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: every time you go out, you're saying, that could be me,

781
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: that could be my brothers, that could be you know.

782
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: Very quickly the revolution organized itself, not with hierarchies, officers

783
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: or vanguard parties. The people who existed in those roles

784
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: had already been arrested or fled, so instead the revolution

785
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: started with people giving whatever they could to the struggle

786
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: and taking whatever they needed to get by. The revolutionaries reinterviewed.

787
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: All initially thought that the struggle would be sure, that

788
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: the world would come to their aid, but even when

789
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: it became clear that this was not the case, they

790
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: continue to fight under the logic that's better to die

791
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: than live with a bluet on your neck. They took

792
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: all the leaders from the opposition side, so there was

793
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: no one to tell us what to do. There was

794
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 1: no instructions, right, so there was like two days of Okay,

795
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: what the funk do we do? You know? And then

796
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: people started protesting, but small, like very small, and then

797
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: I think after like five days, then there was like

798
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: two d people everywhere, Like now that I remember the

799
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: first day we arrived, I mean, we haven't seen each

800
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: other since COVID started, so it was like rather, you know,

801
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: back again and together. And then yeah, it was quite

802
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: fun for like one night and then we're all hanging

803
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: out and trying to plan what we're gonna do the

804
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: next day. So basically we kind of planned that, like

805
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: each of us had a rule, and our plan was

806
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: to go out and kind of be like a media crew. Right,

807
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: So we're filming, we're writing news, we're posting on the

808
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: internet so that everywhere else people can see it. Um.

809
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, two of us are like the camera people,

810
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: and then this too. They look out for the roads

811
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: and streets, like because these places we've never been, right

812
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: Danuel in these areas, So whenever we go to a protest,

813
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: we'll sit down or we'll walk around and take photos

814
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: while these twos goes around and look for the fastest escapes.

815
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: You know, if the military come in, what would be

816
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: the best way to go? Would you know? Escape? And

817
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: then him another one. They kind of look after us.

818
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: They look at the news to see what's happening around us,

819
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: so that if there's an post on Facebook saying, oh

820
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: there's a military truck heading towards you, we kind of

821
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: be prepared, you know. But yeah, that was yeah, so

822
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: we had a lot of energy at that time. It

823
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: was like constant. We were going out out and you

824
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: can see like it's always following me, like that's me

825
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: and leaving him and he's always following me everywhere I go,

826
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: so that's something happening and just grab me around. Well,

827
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: the boys and Andy were reporting. Amira found her call

828
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: on the front lines. It's almost impossible to stress how

829
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: incredible she is. Before we recorded, she casually dropped into

830
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: conversation that she also trained in knife fighting sometimes. We

831
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: met her at a shooting range near my soft and

832
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: blasted a few paper targets together with a twelve gage

833
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: shotgun we've been using for a bit of target practice.

834
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: When it jammed, and it always jammed, she cleared the

835
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: chamber and got it back into action with a practiced

836
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: efficiency that any formally trained soldier would have recognized. In

837
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: the revolution, it didn't take long for her to find

838
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: her way to the front lines, and she's got the

839
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: scars to prove it, including some from hucking a tear

840
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: gas grenade bare handed back at the cops. Others adopted

841
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: roles to Some picked up shields and took on the

842
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: police toe to toe. Other supported protesters with medical aid

843
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: and food and water. So you can see the shield

844
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: two three, four or five two Yeah, to make it

845
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: and then you can see like they have these wet

846
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: plus did bad too, like watch people's faces when they

847
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: are two or like um two killed the smokes with

848
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 1: the have what towels too, and then there's someone always

849
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: watering it like you see here. Yeah, and this is

850
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: all from the neighborhood like they provided to us. They

851
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: built barricades and even developed a system of communications for

852
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: when things were getting violent. This allowed folks who were

853
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: not comfortable to get away, or at least that was

854
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: the goal. So the white flag means like we have

855
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 1: this place, like this is our But then the black

856
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: flag means will suck you up back, like if you've

857
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: done so much that we're gonna suck you up. You know, um,

858
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: I have a video of it. Wanted changed to from

859
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: white to black. Their tactics improved over time. When one

860
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: group got kettled, another group would pop up nearby and

861
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: draw soldiers away. Oh yeah, sure way. And then there

862
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: was one time when one of one part of the

863
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: city was enter attacked by the military. A lot of

864
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: protesters were trapped in there, and so we decided to

865
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: go out. So every other part of the city came

866
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: out at nighttime to protest, so that they soldiers have

867
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: to connect. Yeah, a mirror too, came face to face

868
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: with state violence. Oh yeah, che yeah, Ballodi and d

869
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: she read thrown in and she wants she wants to

870
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: take the action path because they are all protesting peace

871
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: folly and at that time she wants to have a superpower.

872
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: M m yeah, maybe she does. What what did she

873
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: what did she decided to do? What wouldn't they do

874
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: at that time? And she feels like she's going until

875
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: the act and then she would keep moving and then

876
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: she was participate in every role that she can and

877
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: then she would do as much as she can. That's

878
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: that's what she decided to We saw that picture of

879
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: her in front of the car. It was burnie. Yeah,

880
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: we're happened there with a throwing molotov cocktails. Yeah okay,

881
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: so like smoke bombs and then something like that, and

882
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: then she's trying to tow them back the picture. Yeah yeah, yeah,

883
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: so she picked it out and then she told them back,

884
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: hurt your hand, Yeah you have a scar fucking well

885
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Then uh she got hit by the smoke

886
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: bone like a twice. And then at the time she

887
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: lost everything. She lost her bags, she lost her phones,

888
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: and someone have her to hold and took her back.

889
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: That's how she escaped. They helped you. You know who

890
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: helped you with it? A friend or just a stranger.

891
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: Her friends is with her and I went to to

892
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: your guess hit down, and then the other strangers had them,

893
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: and then she got hit by that your guess, and

894
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: then and then she almost faint and a black out.

895
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: Our doctor who goes by wonder face a difficult choice.

896
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: Returning to the hospital meant risking arrest. The military could

897
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: come in any time to arrest injured protesters, and the

898
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: doctors helping them, but not going back then letting his

899
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: comrades die. State violence increased. He decided he needed to help.

900
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: They killed so many paceful protester on that day, I

901
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: think around about nearly round about hand or more might

902
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: be more than that, Yes, on that day, you know,

903
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: or because we have already we have already started see

904
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: that this Orvidian movement on that on that time, because

905
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: we didn't go the hospital there that was room by

906
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: that generate Okay, okay, so we dear outside the hospital,

907
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, we we managed temporary camp like that because

908
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: for emergency in Joel patient. At that time, I was

909
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: involved one of the term side. Yeah, because but actually

910
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: we can't do uh, some of the injury of pelet

911
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: that may need for emergency operations like that bullet go through, Yeah,

912
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: go to break the bombs and open wound. So but

913
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: we have to take the risk because we have to

914
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: operate that patient. We go to hospital trauma emergency department.

915
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: We did our operation. I remember that night one of

916
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: the patients was shot down by police and they chased,

917
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: they followed that patient. We kept that patient in our

918
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: hospital in our war We emergency or we did emergency

919
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: operation on that at that night, on that night, and

920
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: we imagining move him out on their not because we

921
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: can't keep him on that hospital because ah soon he

922
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: just left our hospital. The police just came and sat

923
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: for him. But it is one of our ice creams. Uh.

924
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: They just quite there again. Yeah, what is that guy?

925
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: T K got on telegram? Lots of people couldn't be

926
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: underground fighting, but they still wanted to be part of

927
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: the struggle. He developed good connections with people on the ground,

928
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: but first that was just him desperately try and stay informed.

929
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: But soon he realized that he was well placed to

930
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: be doing the informing. With internet access cut off and

931
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: VPN is slowing down, only someone outside the country with

932
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: blazing fast Bay Area WiFi could collect all the info

933
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: coming in and turn it into useful, actionable advice for

934
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 1: protesters on the ground at that time, we know nothing

935
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: about it. No one's no one's teaching us what to do.

936
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: So we have to do it, do it, you know,

937
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: like we we we met. We like I said, we

938
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: have a seventy people. So we have a meeting every day,

939
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: every night. So we're trying to you know, brainstorm me

940
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. And then so we're making we're

941
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: making the plans and then we're making like, Okay, we're

942
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: gonna get the informations from you know, everything of details

943
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: that we can get, and that that's we're going to

944
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: share to the people. That's what we're gonna share to

945
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: the underground teams and other people. Within a few weeks,

946
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: it become clear that a diverse range of people, tactics,

947
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: and tools are going to be needed in the fight

948
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: for freedom and Mianda, next time, we'll talk about how

949
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: that fight took shape and tell you what it's like today.

950
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: Sitting at a pool bar and Mason listening to covers

951
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: of Cretan songs by the house band and losing a

952
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: pool against Andy and the boys. It's hard to think

953
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: of them hold up behind a barricade, clutching molotovs, but

954
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: not so long ago. The choices the boys face were

955
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: pretty stark. Every day every time they went out from

956
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: their little apartment, they knew they might not come back.

957
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: But I think the most fucked up thing that we

958
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: had to plan was what if someone get shot one

959
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: of us and the other person have to go carry

960
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: um who do you go? Who gets hits? You know?

961
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: And we had to kind of like what we did

962
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: this now, but like, okay, if I get hit, you know,

963
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: two of you this, this, and this person will come

964
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: out and you know, do this to me because it's

965
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: it's um, I don't know. I think we were planning

966
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: because it just it's just good to have that, you know,

967
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: because if someone gets shot and if all of five

968
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: of us go run in there, there's more targets, you

969
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So then like if someone would

970
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: weight last weight get shots and you know this person go,

971
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: if someone heavier get shot, this two person go something

972
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: like that. When Andy says like we did earlier, he's

973
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: talking about a small stop the bleed type course that

974
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: we had given the boys. Most journalist operating in war

975
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: zones will take at minimum a week long hostile environment

976
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: and first aid training or heath at course many of

977
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: us will take extra courses. James and I both refreshed

978
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: our wilderness first Responder certificates once we had this trip planned.

979
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: Andy and his brothers didn't have access to any of this.

980
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: They learned what they could off the internet and tried

981
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: to protect themselves as best as they were able with

982
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: gear they purchased from an air soft store. The afternoon

983
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: we spent practicing skills. Wasn't nearly enough, but until they

984
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: can travel safely more than a few miles from the border,

985
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: it was better than nothing. Their little apartment had one

986
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: way in and one way out. If the cops came,

987
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 1: there was no escape. They had a plan for that too. Yeah,

988
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: so our plan was literally just to burn that fucking

989
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: door down so then it would be difficult for them

990
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: to come in. Then you know, we'll do I don't know,

991
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: whatever we can with the weapon we had um, but

992
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: we weren't going to make it out, you know, And

993
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: having to plan all that with these kids, like it's

994
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: like funked up. There were times that like they wake

995
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: up by night screaming like they you know they I

996
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: think now it's better, right, It's been a year and

997
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: a half and we are like we're better at coping

998
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: with it. But at that time it was very, very scary,

999
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: so that they'd be prepared to burn their door and

1000
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: the rest of their apartment down around themselves. The boys

1001
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: kept a stockpile of molotovs mixed and ready by the

1002
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: front door at all times. They lived in a state

1003
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: of permanent readiness to commit revolutionary suicide for weeks on end.

1004
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: Eventually they decided they had to flee. We should probably

1005
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: talk history here for just a little bit. Me and

1006
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: Mar is a new name for a very old land.

1007
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: Over the centuries, it's been ruled by a series of

1008
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: empires and dynasties. The Mongols took over for a while

1009
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: in the twelve hundreds and thirteen hundreds, and when they

1010
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: left Lower Burma had a warring states period of its own.

1011
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: The modern nation of Burma didn't start to come together

1012
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: until the sixteen hundreds and seventeen hundreds, and things didn't

1013
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: really congeal into a state until the reign of the

1014
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: last two Burmese kings, who industrialized the country and reformed

1015
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: its military enough to win a series of wars against

1016
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: neighboring groups like the Irakan. This is what brought them

1017
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: into conflict with the British Raj right at the turn

1018
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: of the nineteenth century. Their wars were sending refugees into India,

1019
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: and the Burmese King's designs on Thailand and British controlled

1020
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: Bangladesh led to a policy wherein the Bridge supported insurgent

1021
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: fighters who struck out at Burmese positions. A series of

1022
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: near clashes between British and Burmese forces followed, and in

1023
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: January of eighteen twenty four, the Burmese King Bagadah gave

1024
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: his generals the order to attack. A pair of brutal

1025
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: jungle wars followed, and despite winning several victories early on,

1026
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: Burmese true were crushed comprehensively whenever they engaged British forces

1027
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: in conventional battles. In January of eighteen eighty six, British

1028
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: forces entered the capital, Mandalay and brought an end to

1029
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: Burmese independence for almost sixty years. These are the broad

1030
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: strokes of the story, as you'll find them summed up

1031
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: in almost any history book. As with most colonial history,

1032
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: the reality is somewhat messier than that. The Burmese Empire

1033
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: the British destroyed was dominated heavily by the Bumah people,

1034
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: who gave the colony its name, But there were other

1035
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: peoples in the territory. They claimed the Shin, the karin Urakan,

1036
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: the Rohinga, and dozens. More Like most empires dominated by

1037
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: a single ethnicity, they were brutal. Father San Germano, who

1038
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: lived in pre raj Burma, wrote of the king, he

1039
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: is considered by himself and others absolute lord of the lives, properties,

1040
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: and personal services of his subjects. He exalts into presses, confers,

1041
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: and takes away honor and rank, and without any process

1042
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: of law, can put to death not only criminals guilty

1043
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: of capital offenses, but any individual who happens to incur

1044
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: his displeasure. It is here a perilous thing for a

1045
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: person to become distinguished for wealth and possessions, for the

1046
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: day may easily come when he will be charged with

1047
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: some supposed crime and so put to death in order

1048
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: that his property may be confiscated. Every subject is the

1049
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: Emperor's born slave, and when he calls anyone his slave,

1050
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: he thinks thereby to do him honor. Hence, also he

1051
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: considers himself entitled to employ his subjects in any work

1052
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: of service without salary or pay, and if he makes

1053
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: them any recompense, it is done not from a sense

1054
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: of justice but as an act of bounty. And while

1055
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: Bagudah was a fairly modern king, brutality like this went

1056
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: back hundreds of years in the region. Most of the

1057
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: kings and princes and other people who ruled the land

1058
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: we now call me Anmar did so with brutal force

1059
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: and an awful lot of conscription. This is broadly true

1060
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: of much of Southeast Asia. Western histories of this region

1061
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: tend to flatten life into kingdoms and empires and assume

1062
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: life in their region coincidedtically with the lines drawn on maps.

1063
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: This was never the case. Much of mainland Southeast Asia,

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01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: from the central highlands of Vietnam through Myanmar, northeast India

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Speaker 1: and several southern Chinese provinces, is filled with terrifying mountains

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Speaker 1: and brutal hills covered with the densest jungle imaginable. Standing

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Speaker 1: in Masot and staring across the border into Myanmar, all

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Speaker 1: you see is a vast expanse of jagged, deep green

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Speaker 1: peaks rolling endlessly on James and I are both experienced backpackers,

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Speaker 1: and neither of us would have wanted to take on

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Speaker 1: that terrain without quality gear and weeks of endurance training.

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Speaker 1: In an era before planes, helicopters, or satellite communications, this

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Speaker 1: area was practically ungovernable. People were aware of this at

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Speaker 1: the time, and for roughly the last two thousand years,

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Speaker 1: this chunk of highland Southeast Asia, known to political scientists

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Speaker 1: as Zonia, has been a refuge for people pushed out

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Speaker 1: and put down by the great state powers of the area.

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01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: Empires and kings would stick to the coasts and the

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Speaker 1: flat lines, perfect for cultivating rice. When they taxed their

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Speaker 1: subjects too hard or conscripted too many of them into

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Speaker 1: the military, some would flee to the hills to take

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Speaker 1: their freedom. As James C. Scott, a Yale policy professor, writes,

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01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: the frontier operated as a rough and ready homeostatic device.

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01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: The more estate pressed its subjects, the fewer subjects it had.

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01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: The Frontier under wrote freedom. He calls the people who

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Speaker 1: chose to inhabit this stateless zone barbarians by choice. While

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Speaker 1: many of these ethnic groups were mocked for their lack

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Speaker 1: of so called civilized values like widespread literacy, Scott argues

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01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: that this lack was actually a conscious rejection. The refusal

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01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: to educate themselves in a manner acceptable to the powers

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01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: of the day was a rebellion against the legitimacy of

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Speaker 1: those powers and their standards. Human history and our modern

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01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: globe is filled with places like this, muddied areas at

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01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: the borders of great powers, where the detritus of war,

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Speaker 1: refugees and beaten soldiers can congregate without fear of the state.

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Speaker 1: The term for these places is shatter zones. Rojava, the

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Speaker 1: radical feminist enclave in northeast Syria, would be one example

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Speaker 1: of a shatter zone and the unique political potential such

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Speaker 1: places have. Myanmar is, by land mass, mostly shatter zones,

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Speaker 1: and since nineteen forty nine, different ethnic armed organizations have

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Speaker 1: existed in a more or less constant conflict with the state.

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Speaker 1: This includes the Karin people, whose territory borders Thailand. When

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Speaker 1: the young millennial and zoomer protesters in the cities realized

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Speaker 1: they were going to have to flee their homes to

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Speaker 1: continue the fight, Karin territory was a natural place to

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01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: retreat to. People had been making versions of the same

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01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: decision for two thousand years. The current situation between the

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01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: Kuran and Myanmar's military junta actually owes a lot to

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Speaker 1: the British Empire. When they took over in Myanmar, they

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01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: had to figure out how to govern it, and they

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01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: went with the tactic that had served them well all

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Speaker 1: across India and Africa. They picked a minority ethnic group

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Speaker 1: to act as their colonial shock troops. In Uganda, their

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01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: preferred warrior race were the Kaqwa people, from whom future

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01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: dictator Idi Amine descended. For their colonial troops. In India,

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01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: the Brits used Sikhs and Gurkhas, and in colonial Burma

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01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: they used the Karin. Ever since the British left, the

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01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: Karin have wanted as little as possible to do with

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01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: the central government and Napoda. Instead, they fought to maintain Cadule,

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Speaker 1: a land without darkness, as they were promised in Burma's

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight constitution. Today they might not be recognized

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01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: by the UN or the US, but the Karin have

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Speaker 1: their own schools, hospitals, and army. They have been at

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Speaker 1: war since nineteen forty nine. Andy, whose father is Karin,

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: only really found out about the struggle for Quadule, a

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Speaker 1: home for the Karin language peoples when he became a

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01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: refugee he moved into the camps along the border after

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Speaker 1: the Saffron Revolution. He was only eight years old. The

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01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: border is dotted with camps, some of them more like towns,

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01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: but they're always temporary, and while the Thai government tolerates

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01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: the Karin presence, people there are seen as temporarily displaced.

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01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: They can't build solid homes and don't have the identity

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: documents they need to travel even internally in Thailand, despite

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Speaker 1: not growing up there. Andy's identity cards, says Karin, it

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01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: doesn't take a pH d in history to know that

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01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: ethnic identity cards issued by imperial and formerly post colonial

1137
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,799
Speaker 1: governments are bad news. But if you need more information

1138
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: about that, maybe google i D cards Comma Rwanda. Like

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01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: most people in most places, the young people from Mima

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01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: we talked to you had thought relatively little about the

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01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: injustices on the edge of their world. They tend to

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01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: think of the karen Is terrorists up in the hills

1143
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: rather than freedom fighters. But once the top medor started

1144
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: unloading machine guns into crowds, people were confronted with the

1145
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,799
Speaker 1: reality of a situation that they've been able to ignore before.

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: Suddenly they saw that the karen and other marginalized ethnic

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01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: groups were victims of the same government violence that they

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01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: now faced, and now that the scales had fallen from rise,

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01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: they were going to do something about it. The main

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: majority of groups people they are current people, which is

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01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: another ethnic groups from Nemore, and they they had a

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01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: different view, right because obviously the military. While we were

1153
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: like because we were born in the city, we were

1154
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: more like you know, like we didn't suffer that much,

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't that great, you know. But then

1156
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: for them, the military come to their states, the military

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01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: come to their villages, they burned the villages, they kill

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01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: the people, they read the people, you know, they do

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01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: all these atrocities. Um. So then they have a very

1160
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: different view on the Miamar military and how the country

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01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: is you know, working doing and um so that's when

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01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: I started learning, oh, ship, like there is some other

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01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,560
Speaker 1: stuff going on in the country. But you know, like

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: you kind of just you kind of just live with

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: your life. You know, you're your kid, You're trying to

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01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: get by day to date, like so you didn't really

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01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: think about it. Um And for me, that gold on

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01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: that go that went on for a long time until

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01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: the military will happen in the present revolution is not

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01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: the only flaer up of inter ethnic violence in the country.

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Speaker 1: The Tatmodor, under ming A Klan, began a concerted campaign

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Speaker 1: of genocidal ethnic cleansing against the Hina people, a largely

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01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: Muslim ethnic group who live in the country's or a

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01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:28,919
Speaker 1: kind state. The Tatmodor, claiming the Rehinia were variously terrorists

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01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: or illegal immigrants native to modern day Bangladesh and hence

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01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: not native to myan Ma, spent months raping, killing, and

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01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: burning the villages of the Rehanga people. While the world,

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01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: perhaps distracted by a neoliberal consensus which demoniedes both migrants

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01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: and Muslims, did funk all to stop them. In Myanmar,

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01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: nobody spoke about the genocide, at least not in those terms.

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01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: Most people didn't even speak about the Hinda in those

1182
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: terms because Tatmodor propaganda was so effective that citizens in

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01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,879
Speaker 1: Yangon really believe that the Rahana were mike and terrorists

1184
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: coming from Bangladesh. Government newspapers like The New Light of

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01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 1: Myanmar published daily stories linking them to groups like Isis

1186
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: or Al Qaida, who, despite their best efforts, remain totally

1187
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: irrelevant in this story. BOS popped up on Facebook, which

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01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: is basically synonymous with the Internet for many people living

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01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 1: in Myanmar, and seared a steady diet of anti raheinga

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: hate speech into political discourse, gradually shifting the Overton window

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01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: towards the endocide. And without better information, most people believe them,

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01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: and these Western friends, probably weirdos like me who had

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01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: crept into his d MS. At some point I started

1194
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: to ask him questions. So the rein thing happened into

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01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: done seventeen. I was seventeen, and you know, we started

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01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 1: hearing it. I started getting phone calls from my friends

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01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: in the western countries, like Westerners. They would be like, Hey,

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01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: what's happening in your country? Why are you killing like

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Speaker 1: all the Muslims, And I mean like mess out thaily

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01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about.

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01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: I've never heard anything like that, right, um, and so yeah,

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01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: and then I like, I try to learn a little

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01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: bit more, but everyone has so intense opinions about it

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01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: that at some time like funk, I don't I don't

1205
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: know anymore, you know, because the military was in control

1206
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: at that time still kind of so they control the news,

1207
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: they control the media, they control it's the same thing,

1208
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, like they control who was saying what, and

1209
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: so we never hear about it that much. If you only,

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01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 1: if only you care so much and you're following everyone

1211
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 1: that is saying you know the truth, then you know.

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: But otherwise you you didn't know. It was all very blurry,

1213
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: very so that that's another time when I'm like funk,

1214
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: like I don't know what to do. I'm just gonna

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01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: you know. And then one on in my life, um

1216
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: and yeah, I never I never realized how much, like

1217
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: how much they had to suffer, and they are still

1218
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: suffering right number of international protests to stop the ethnic

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01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: cleansing of the Rainer. As they huddled hidden in their apartment,

1220
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: Andy and his brother began to embrace the need for

1221
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: deadly violence against Sarah Pressus. We never had any plans, actually,

1222
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: we were just like, no, I think I remember, it's

1223
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: like that was not really planned. It was like they

1224
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: killed our people who were fucking hurt them back, you know.

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01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't too get their guns or shoot them back.

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01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: Like we didn't even know how to use any of that,

1227
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: you know. And honestly, we didn't even want to kill them.

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01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: We just want to be like, you can't do these

1229
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: things and not feel, not feel any any anything, you know,

1230
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 1: not not feel any consequences of that. Like we're not

1231
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: fucking We're not animals, and you know, you can't just

1232
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: come in and killed one of our friends and think

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01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: that we're not going to do anything back, you know,

1234
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: like if we let that happen, then they're never going

1235
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: to stop. You know. You they were trying to scare us,

1236
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: and we were trying to scare them back, but they

1237
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: actually kill people. We didn't. We never wanted to kill anyone,

1238
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: you know. Indy's situation felt hopeless at this stage. Trapped

1239
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: at the capitol and watching his friends disappear one by one.

1240
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: It seemed like he was running out of options. Thousands

1241
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: of young people and me and Mark felt the same,

1242
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: and some of them decided to take an option they

1243
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: hadn't even known existed. A few weeks earlier, when we

1244
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: were in Massat, we conducted a phone interview with a

1245
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: former rebel fighter named Alex. Like everyone else we talked to,

1246
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: he woke up on the first of February to find

1247
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: out that his phone didn't work and the internet was out. Yeah,

1248
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: I thought like it was just you know, like something

1249
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: wrong with my phone. And then like I started talking

1250
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: to my friends and all my friends are having the

1251
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 1: same problem. So we looked down and everybody is like

1252
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 1: watching down to the market because we live close to

1253
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 1: the market, and like they were like you know, like

1254
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: doing like like buying lots of rise and like full

1255
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 1: until I spoke, because no one knows what's gonna happen.

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01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: Like everyone else, he wasn't into politics, but he was

1257
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: absolutely not into having the military funk with every aspect

1258
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: of his life, so he got into the streets at first,

1259
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: like we are not like that into the politics and stuff,

1260
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: so we didn't know. But you know, like they can't

1261
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: even like shut down the Internet is kind of like

1262
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: controlling our life, right, so like if they can't even

1263
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: do that, like you know, like we cannot imagine like

1264
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: what other things they can do and which they did,

1265
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,799
Speaker 1: like killing the innosensibilians and stuff. So yeah, at first

1266
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 1: we're just like, oh, yeah, we need to do something

1267
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: about this, and then enjoy the protests. He and his

1268
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: friends later found a shop to buy gas masks, tasers,

1269
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: and goggles, but even with all their gear, they were

1270
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: powerless against soldiers with guns and tear gas. He said

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01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: that the next few weeks were hard. Protests were less

1272
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: and less safe, but nobody dared to talk about their

1273
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: plans to take the fight to military. Everyone was worried

1274
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: about informants and snitches. We didn't really like actually talk

1275
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 1: about those stuff, Like we're only like discussing about you know,

1276
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,919
Speaker 1: like a protests and also like how to get attention

1277
01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 1: from the like embassies and stuff, but for like fight

1278
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: fighting bag and you know, like going on the wars.

1279
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: Like I think, like almost everyone they just decided on

1280
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: their own unless they have super like trust their friends.

1281
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: By April, he says he's seen people die in the streets.

1282
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: He decided the protesting wasn't working and he needed to

1283
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: pick up a gun. Then he probably was. He didn't

1284
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: have one, nor did his friends. He knew some people

1285
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: who had guns and hated the top of the door,

1286
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: but he had been raised his whole life to think

1287
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: of them as terrorists before this. We be you know,

1288
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: like brainwashed by the military like pretty much our whole life,

1289
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: so you know, we always think, oh, ethnic groups are

1290
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: like like you know, they were okay, like wherever they

1291
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: see or and he didn't like it. Just terrorist terrorists, right,

1292
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: that's what like the military like make us believe our

1293
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: whole life. And I was kind of scared to like

1294
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: join them because like, yeah, I didn't know, like you know,

1295
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 1: how to live off there or like if they're gonna

1296
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: came in just because like I don't speak her, and

1297
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: so yeah, it was bizarrely his boss who hooked him

1298
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: up with the rebels in the hills, but he couldn't

1299
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: tell anyone he was going, okay, say got captured or

1300
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: turned out to be a snitch. Instead, he packed his

1301
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: bag with some of his old clothes, didn't even say

1302
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: goodbye to his family, and took a bus. He got

1303
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: off that bus, waited until a man in the car

1304
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: picked him up. By that night, he was in the jungle.

1305
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: During the first night, they're like, you know, we have

1306
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: to go God like one or the leader from the Junger,

1307
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: like you know, like trainers by you like walking in

1308
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: the dark in the forest, So we have to walk

1309
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: to like somewhere we don't even know. We have to

1310
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,560
Speaker 1: sleep in there like deep gener He'd read about the

1311
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 1: PDF on Facebook, but suddenly found himself among them. Technically,

1312
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,560
Speaker 1: they were distinct unit fighting for a return to democracy,

1313
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: but in practice they're trained and equipped by the current

1314
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 1: National Liberation Army who have been fighting for aeral democracy

1315
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: for decades. Pretty soon his opinion of the Kurrent had changed.

1316
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: But like during my time, I did some observation about them. Yeah,

1317
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: it was like obviously, like the government is not the

1318
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: current people fighting the cup the military. The military has

1319
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: been like you know, like invading the Karrent villagers like

1320
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: Karen Land. H Yeah, they were like banning down. They're

1321
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: like villagers like waving the woomas You're like killing the

1322
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: people for like many years. So they cannot do anything

1323
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: but to fight back, you know, they have to fight

1324
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: back to prove that their land. Just like the now

1325
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 1: deceased rebel soldier who interviewed for our last series, I

1326
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: like received rudimentary training. He never fired a gun before,

1327
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: and supplies are very limited, but he's still got a

1328
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: kick out of sending a few rounds down range. Like

1329
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: not even in my dream, Like I never thought like

1330
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 1: I will be like houlding it again or I shouldn't

1331
01:19:55,640 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 1: should in it. So if be pretty good? Yeah, do

1332
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 1: you what kind of gun was it? Was it a

1333
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: point to too or was it? Yes, the first one

1334
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: was a point to two. Was it hand homemade, handmade

1335
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: or was it you know, no, it's not made, but

1336
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of really old. Even in the jungle, they

1337
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: were worried about males. It took a while to make friends,

1338
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: he says, but eventually he fell in with a cop

1339
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: who had defected, a photographer, and a construction worker. Their plan,

1340
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: he says, was a train up in the jungle and

1341
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: then go home and find the cities. Like our idea

1342
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: was like we went there and praying for a few

1343
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 1: miles and then go back to the city. Like we thought,

1344
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be like a huge wars in the

1345
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: city is like in Yango or mentally and also like

1346
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: everywhere Yama. But yeah, it did. It turns out like that.

1347
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 1: But instead he found himself pulling sentry duty in the jungle.

1348
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: For a city kid, it was scary alone out there

1349
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 1: in the night with a gun, surrounded by potential threats.

1350
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, like okay, like it's gonna

1351
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 1: happen tonight, Like they're gonna come to our base tonight,

1352
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: so we I'm gonna have to shoot that, I have

1353
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: to product my people find. But it didn't happen. Yeah,

1354
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: I'll expend eight months in the field putting sentry duty

1355
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 1: and learning the skills of a soldier. But without arms

1356
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: and ammunition, there wasn't much you could do. And his

1357
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: whole time training, he says, he only fired five shots

1358
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:31,719
Speaker 1: I've kind of used because we don't have like enough ghans,

1359
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: you know. Like so by the time that there was

1360
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: a like a straight happen if uh like a goo,

1361
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: I thought like, oh, we're gonna have to like go

1362
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: and you know, like fight them now. But instead, like

1363
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: we have to pack our staff and move to a

1364
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: deeper jenko. So we were like kind of like reputees

1365
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: with uniforms. But yeah, you know, if I just keep

1366
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: staying there like we if we're just going to keep

1367
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: running away like this, Like I don't want to stay there.

1368
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: I want to do something about the needs, like the

1369
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: main needs in our candles, the weapons gainst. So I

1370
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: want to like come here and like work for that.

1371
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: The transition was hard for eight months in a light

1372
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: bulb or flashing toilet. Now he crossed the river and

1373
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: everything seemed normal, every kind of weird, like you know

1374
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 1: from the jungle and metal. It's just a small river

1375
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,799
Speaker 1: across and they're like the life. Yeah, it's totally different.

1376
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: Like peoples are living their normal life and now having

1377
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 1: to like worry for like any things or like it

1378
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: was like the whole time I wasn't younger, you know,

1379
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: like we have to worry about our country and like

1380
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: we don't want to live a normal life. And I'll

1381
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 1: take them mad, like the military's gold so like, but

1382
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: they're like here, everyone is living in normal life and

1383
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: it's just only one river across. Now that he's across

1384
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: the river, we won't say, well, he's still part of

1385
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: the revolution. He's raising money and doing interviews like this,

1386
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: trying to organize medical supplies and hoping that one day

1387
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: he can return to his country not as a refugee

1388
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: with a uniform, but practiced a soldier liberating his people,

1389
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: or better yet, as a citizen in a free democracy.

1390
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: Miyak wasn't ready to be a refugee quite yet. He

1391
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 1: quickly found a role for himself on the militant side

1392
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: of what had become a full fledged civil war. Before

1393
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: the coup. He'd been studying engineering at university, and he

1394
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: liked to understand how things worked. Although Alex and his

1395
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: comrades had a critical shortage of weapons. Miyak didn't only

1396
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:43,839
Speaker 1: make guns at first, he made bombs too, using knowledge

1397
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: that he had gained after traveling into the jungle and

1398
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: getting training from Karin experts and explosives and as he

1399
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: told us, they were very effective. Do you think the

1400
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: explosives took out any soldiers? Of course is bosies are

1401
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,839
Speaker 1: for the biddings for the base. Some o the trouble.

1402
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 1: So you know they came and pick the ball and

1403
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: trying to cut off the bowl and just a slow

1404
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: so they die. So my truf cut off the wire

1405
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 1: bone wire, yes, but they die anyway. So it's like, oh,

1406
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: my best memory is that we are using and the

1407
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: very first E T N E T N in and

1408
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: in thank angel. Now this revolutionary thing is the whole

1409
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: things that arrest there or just arrest. It's very sad

1410
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: when they made May made the idian bowl. Uh we

1411
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: we had that the ambulas ambulus ambulus abus umblessed land.

1412
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: It's like five fine ambular track is coming here. Okay,

1413
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: this is I think this is my best memory. Yes, okay, wow,

1414
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,600
Speaker 1: So the bomb goes off, they have to send in

1415
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 1: five ambulances, yes, yes, yes, was it soldiers or police soldiers. Yes,

1416
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: that the soldier whole who checked the role. Yeah, it

1417
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: was just bombs that the young rebels learned about. They

1418
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 1: also shattered many of their misconceptions about the roles of

1419
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: men and women. Yeah yeah. As a woman like a mirror,

1420
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: stepped up to the front lines and fought alongside their

1421
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 1: male comrades, it became hard to ignore the sexism which

1422
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 1: underpinned much of traditional Burmese culture. The music you just

1423
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: heard from a yang On punk band called Rebel Riot.

1424
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: They gave a submission to use it here. They have

1425
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: some great songs about the Spring Revolution, and this one

1426
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: focuses on the role of women. In the video, you

1427
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: see young women in the streets and then you see

1428
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: them in the jungles carrying him sixt Me and Mama

1429
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 1: might previously have had a woman leader, but gender equality

1430
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: had been far from universal. And he told us a

1431
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: story about this, and we recorded it. But it was

1432
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: our last night in the country. We were on our

1433
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: way to another spectacular hangover, one that would see me

1434
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: vomiting with such ferocio of flight. But an elderly tie

1435
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: lady took pity on me and gave me her shopping

1436
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: bag once I filled up my sick bag in the

1437
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 1: second month of the revolution, and he said when they

1438
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: were in Yangon, the protesters would build giant barricades to

1439
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: keep the police back. We've seen videos of these. They're

1440
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: pretty impressive, huge amounts of palettes, boxes and burning tires.

1441
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: We got some other audio of him describing them. No,

1442
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: we could never get close to the military. Um, it

1443
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: was never it was never attack, it was always defense.

1444
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: So later on, when we started seeing how military cracked

1445
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:54,560
Speaker 1: down these protesters, we started building these gates and like

1446
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,679
Speaker 1: sandbags in our every base in the in the young On, Melody,

1447
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: whatever across the country, we started building these barriers so

1448
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: that the military trucks kind of just come in. And

1449
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: it's actually crazy because sometimes to build these things, you

1450
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: have to take over the road first, so like like

1451
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: a main road or a highway. So then what we

1452
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: do is all these little groups will gather, so one street,

1453
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: two street, through street, you know, and then we will

1454
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: go to the street, or we will walk down the

1455
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: street saying we're gonna try to take over the street,

1456
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: please come join. People will come down, people will come

1457
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: down from the streets, from the buildings, and then we

1458
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: go to the next street, we say the same thing,

1459
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: and then people would join. Nothing they did could stand

1460
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: up to a tank, though, just as that shopping bag

1461
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: couldn't stand up to James's vomit. The military started using

1462
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 1: human shields to get through the barricades and the groups

1463
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 1: of people throwing molotovs. Usually we would defend our places, right,

1464
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: we will use molotov sling shots, uh, and we will

1465
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 1: resist like we will attacked, like we will be in

1466
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: the behind the gate, but we will kind of make

1467
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: them cannot come too too far, you know. But when

1468
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: the military have someone that they're gun pointing, just a

1469
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 1: normal civilian and making him move, we can't do anything

1470
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: man like, we can't go through a moltav like, you know.

1471
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: So that's when the military clean out all of that.

1472
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: In Yangon, I think there was a time when it

1473
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: was packed. It was every road had it, every street

1474
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: had it, and everyone was guarding that right. But then

1475
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 1: when the military started and then they said it in

1476
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 1: the statements, they were saying, if that's near your house,

1477
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: you're responsible. Then they came up with a better idea.

1478
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: In Burmese culture, men fear passing under women's clothing if

1479
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: it's hanging on a washing line, they'll go around rather

1480
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: than under it. It is as Andy told us, bullshit.

1481
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: So they decided to turn that bullshit back on the

1482
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,719
Speaker 1: troops and they grabbed as many women's launcheese a traditional

1483
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: garment went around the waist like a sarong as they

1484
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: could and hung them up above their barricade. It worked,

1485
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: he said, and just like that, a generation of Burmese

1486
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 1: kids realized that sexism hurts everyone who perpetuates it. Miak

1487
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: told us an interesting story about this. He said, the

1488
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: first time he met his fiance, he thought that she

1489
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: was pretty sharp for a girl that he says now

1490
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: was his bad me and mar he says, has some

1491
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 1: gender hang ups, but he soon realized that she was

1492
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 1: the bravest person he knew. They went to protest together,

1493
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: and when something needed moving from one town to another,

1494
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: they took advantage of those gender hang ups and her bravery,

1495
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: and she risked her life carrying weapons in her bags

1496
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: on inner city buses. We'll let him tell you how

1497
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 1: they met. It's like we we met on a meiden,

1498
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: like you know, we we started making maybe it's a

1499
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: very first. We first we all match making, very very

1500
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:45,759
Speaker 1: very very respect their memories. The name of the media

1501
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: is braced to me. Okay, prased all me. The name

1502
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: of the media is she She is very you know, respected.

1503
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 1: She said the very thoughtful things. You know. Oh she

1504
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: is you know, it's so so thoughtful. I don't even think,

1505
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: you know. In the memo, Carter is lays a Joanna.

1506
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: You know, so buy is always good like people, you know,

1507
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,560
Speaker 1: something like this. So I thought she's really good, or

1508
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: that she is a kid. This is my bad some

1509
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: Janna I do die. But but later I met with

1510
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 1: her on the protest, so I saw she is so beautiful.

1511
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: I thought she has just twenty years agays. But we

1512
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: know that later. So we keep doing together other things

1513
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: and she she is my bad dad. I was grow

1514
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: like this and well, whatever I have I have in danger.

1515
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: All the contact her. We asked him if you worried

1516
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: she got arrested while she was making trips into the

1517
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: mountains with guns and bombs, But he said no. Was

1518
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 1: it hard to leave her to go to the jungle

1519
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 1: because she could get arrested, you could get no. No,

1520
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: she is very clever, So I I never worry about her.

1521
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 1: I just boy about mindset because she is more, you know, secret,

1522
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: I see more play by than me. So she only

1523
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: teached me how to be clear about much. LETTONK and

1524
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 1: Mirror was falling in love as well. Her relationship was

1525
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: a bit different though. At first we were in the

1526
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 1: group chat Yeah, but then did you make the private? Yeah? Private?

1527
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: He started the private chat? Did I did? I did,

1528
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,560
Speaker 1: because at that time I feel like, oh, she is

1529
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 1: so young. At the time, she she's not even a team.

1530
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: She's seventeen years old and she's leading the one of

1531
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: the food tast team. So I'm like, wow, this girl

1532
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: is like amazing, right, So that that's how I met her,

1533
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 1: and then that's how I, you know, try to hit

1534
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: her now. Admittedly t K, a security guy is translating here.

1535
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: He's also her boyfriend for now. He's here with her

1536
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: to make sure she's okay. When we met them both,

1537
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 1: it was just weeks after he'd arrived in Thailand and

1538
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: the two had met in person for the very first time.

1539
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 1: It's a kind of story you can't help but find touching.

1540
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Two people in opposite sides of the world, united by

1541
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: a fight for justice, the bonds of revolutionary care. At least,

1542
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 1: it's a nice counterweight to all the stories of death

1543
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 1: and violence, which will have more of you tomorrow on

1544
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 1: part four of this series. Through the time we're reporting

1545
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,719
Speaker 1: this story, Robert and I walked miles and miles around

1546
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 1: the streets Mason baby, only two journalous in town and

1547
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: also both giant white guys. We kind of stood out,

1548
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 1: and taking a turn due to a sensitive interview isn't

1549
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: always a smart choice. Even when it was, they frequently

1550
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: dropped us off in a wrong place and we end

1551
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: up walking anyway. Everyone in Mason rides scooters, but riding

1552
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 1: without a helmet can get you a fine. We figured

1553
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 1: that his relative noviceist to the world of scooting, we

1554
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: probably funded something up and we probably better off walking.

1555
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 1: When the time came to meet me out, though he

1556
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: offered us a ride That was very nice, but it

1557
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 1: put us in an interesting position. What exactly do you

1558
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 1: say when a guy you've never met, who's a friend

1559
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: of a guy you dem on Reddit who you know

1560
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: he's engaged in the illegal production and smuggling of guns

1561
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: into a war zone, offers to pick you up at

1562
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: the cafe so you can go out for dinner. We

1563
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: decided to call our friend a long suffering guy we

1564
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 1: go to or we have a security question. Paul his request,

1565
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: we're keeping him anonymous, but he works in security and

1566
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: has an extensive professional background dealing with situations just like

1567
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: this or maybe mostly like this. Yes, So basically, Paul

1568
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: were meeting with these people. Uh, we don't have an

1569
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: established human chain with them of trust. They're they're just

1570
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,560
Speaker 1: averted account that James has been talking with but for

1571
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 1: like six or seven months. Um, it doesn't really seem

1572
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:19,639
Speaker 1: like there's much else we can do besides, uh, keep

1573
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 1: our eyes open and try to meet in a digital place. Yeah.

1574
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean the big concern is that it would be

1575
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: the government, which is not um from what you guys

1576
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 1: have said. The government simply doesn't have the wherewithal to

1577
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: do operations like this, and I mean rebel groups like this,

1578
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: they're they're trying, they want to get everything out there

1579
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:50,759
Speaker 1: they can. UM. So, Yeah, it is there a concern

1580
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: about the fact that you don't have a chain of

1581
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 1: people that can vouch for each other. Yeah, but the

1582
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: situation there and everything's in their favor, they are, everything's

1583
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: in your favor. Even minor cultural faux pause shouldn't be

1584
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 1: an issue. With Paul's help, we came up with a

1585
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 1: watertight plan. I should note here that he was at

1586
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: least as concerned with our fate as he was with

1587
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: the fate of the pair of pants he'd loaned James

1588
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 1: for the trip. And I mean, yeah, it's a story

1589
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: that needs to get out, so uh, being slightly lax

1590
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: on the rules while knowing that it's in everybody's favor

1591
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 1: that it goes well. I guess you gotta been the

1592
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: rules sometimes. Yeah, I guess we'll check in trying to

1593
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: approve of life. Yeah, we'll do a proof of life.

1594
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: I will. I will send you a picture of James

1595
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: holding a piece of paper that says big wife guy.

1596
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 1: And if if we are kidnapped, I'll send you a

1597
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: picture of me that says Elon Musk will be a

1598
01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 1: good custodian of Twitter. Ok, I'll know that that's the

1599
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 1: that's the sign, and you know I'll get a black Yeah,

1600
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 1: I'll figure out something. Yeah, me and me and a

1601
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,839
Speaker 1: few friends will be on our way. That sounds awful.

1602
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: James has my favorite pants. Yeah, yeah, you gotta get

1603
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: those pants bag. Oh yeah, this is all about the pants.

1604
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 1: If I find hs dead body, I'm killing those pants off. Luckily,

1605
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: both I and Paul's trousers made it back that night.

1606
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,759
Speaker 1: The only damage was to several delicious plates of food,

1607
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: his fiancee and their godfather. We're the most gracious host,

1608
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: and we decided not to record that first night. Instead,

1609
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 1: we met up the next day. But there is one

1610
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: thing from that night but I want to share with you.

1611
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,639
Speaker 1: Rather than explaining it, I let the song me out

1612
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: played for us, talk to you to the beautiful medium

1613
01:36:52,280 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: of punk music, bell A Chow. Of course it's an

1614
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: anti fascist anthem. Then. It's original version tells the story

1615
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 1: of a young partisan who says goodbye to his girlfriend

1616
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 1: before he goes off to fight Italian fascists. If he dies,

1617
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:24,759
Speaker 1: he says he wants to be buried under a flower

1618
01:37:24,800 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 1: in the mountains so people will see it and remember him. Yeah. Yeah.

1619
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: After a few months of revolution, all our characters found

1620
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: themselves mourning their friends, and many of them were in

1621
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: the mountains. Their struggle is one they see in the

1622
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: same vein as the Italian partisans who fought facists in

1623
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 1: their mountains and the anti fascists who came from around

1624
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 1: the world to fight the Spanish Civil War. I first

1625
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 1: heard that song Belacho from a Spanish civil war vector.

1626
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 1: And it's a strange closing of the loop to be

1627
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 1: here sitting hearing it with young people who, just like

1628
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: the Spanish Republicans, are fighting a coup with next to

1629
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: no international support and a critical shortage of weapons. But

1630
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,719
Speaker 1: me Out was trying his best to fix their shortage.

1631
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: A month into what would become the Spring Revolution, and

1632
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 1: the stakes have become clear when the first protester would

1633
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: shot and they kept marching. When people decided to go

1634
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 1: back into the streets, they showed that the future of

1635
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: their country was worth dying for. A few weeks later,

1636
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 1: some of them decided it was also worth killing for.

1637
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 1: It was about then that me Out's buddy and Keen

1638
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 1: read it. User Daddy u m c D said he'd

1639
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 1: been online we reckon they could use their three D printers,

1640
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,560
Speaker 1: a steel pipe and the expertise are some strains on

1641
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:51,440
Speaker 1: the internet to arm themselves. The promise of revolutionary technology

1642
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,280
Speaker 1: would take quite some time to have any kind of

1643
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,719
Speaker 1: battlefield impact in Myanmar, but the effects of a different

1644
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: kind of revolution would be felt immediately. But then they

1645
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: young activists took up our arms against the government. I

1646
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:06,680
Speaker 1: was like I'm entrusted us in how West and three

1647
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 1: D printing especially my profession is a grand us and

1648
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: virtual reality and one to tell us three D printing

1649
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 1: is my hobby. So I just do I just download

1650
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 1: some time from a thinking bust or other three D

1651
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 1: three D printing criminal D and just do it for

1652
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 1: my task, not specially especially like desk toys and stuff. Yeah, yeah,

1653
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: just or twice yes, what do you think of guns?

1654
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 1: Then I have never emerging a care because you know,

1655
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: we have been living and a military booth for a

1656
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 1: long time, so we're afraid or soldier especially not the

1657
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 1: su especially the care that they hope. So we are

1658
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 1: so afraid of that, so we never imagine, like like

1659
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 1: we are the same as in North Korea. We're so

1660
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 1: afraid of that, so we never imagine of making game.

1661
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:58,600
Speaker 1: But after that the story began at first Meal and

1662
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 1: his team felt safe despite the dangerous nature of their work.

1663
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: He felt the top medor was so behind the times

1664
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: they wouldn't even know what a three D print. It

1665
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: was like adult side the military didn't didn't know or

1666
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,679
Speaker 1: didn't give our funk about defriend So it is okay

1667
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 1: a dose that it's really okay, one one one, one day,

1668
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 1: can we need to hide the campus. If the three

1669
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: print that, that's okay, Because we were saying this is

1670
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: for our job or for some hobby that we can

1671
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 1: see I do with that, but but not just that.

1672
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: This time everyone the print that yes camp camp go

1673
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:40,600
Speaker 1: the like yeah yeah. Soon that head shop became a

1674
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 1: lot closer to being a possibility. It's like a song.

1675
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 1: As we we we finished the second second apt De nine,

1676
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: we're trying to test that in young and we send

1677
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 1: it to our warehouse. But unfortunately this way how it

1678
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:01,719
Speaker 1: exposed and ambushed by in the military and this gun

1679
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 1: is taken by the military, and they announced this on

1680
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 1: the new by picturer and this uh like like hammag

1681
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:17,040
Speaker 1: games and the don give funk about this just a

1682
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 1: hammaga they just at the very first time, but later

1683
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 1: and later later and later one they one the second

1684
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 1: time they will arrest that. At this time they arrest

1685
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:32,679
Speaker 1: my revolutionary from my team. So I'm told him about

1686
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: the efficiency and how do you use and the history

1687
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,640
Speaker 1: also the game at the time, maybe maybe he was

1688
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:44,280
Speaker 1: investigator and he told the truth. At this time he says,

1689
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 1: like the FCC nine announced announced the name FCC nine

1690
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 1: like like this before before at the very first time

1691
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 1: team and now the game from the tagish Yeah if

1692
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,160
Speaker 1: you missed that, they thought the guns were turned. Is

1693
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 1: the reason we giggled at this is that whenever we

1694
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:04,600
Speaker 1: see videos of combat in me and mar James and

1695
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 1: I send them to a group chat and try to

1696
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: work out what the weapons are and where they came from.

1697
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 1: Nearly every time we're stumped. The guns turned out to

1698
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: be some kind of niche Turkish shotgun made to look

1699
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 1: like an a R fifteen. It seems the military we're

1700
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: operating on the same assumption, only this time they were

1701
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 1: very wrong. Like Alex Myak started this second more deadly

1702
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 1: phase of the Spring Revolution by taking a trip out

1703
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:29,720
Speaker 1: to the jungle and he stayed for several months to

1704
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 1: learn some of the skills he was going to need

1705
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 1: to fight back against the top medal. I was going

1706
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 1: the Monday as a cuminating data so I'm not like

1707
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 1: the I'm not have a video training or something like that.

1708
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,439
Speaker 1: I just going as a cuminator guy. So I met

1709
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 1: with them Sundgain specially or some Freya and I said,

1710
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 1: I want to know how to shoot ga, how do

1711
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 1: amber the gag so to teach me, I said, uh say,

1712
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm in acuminated. I can to the Traineer, but I

1713
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: want to lamb the folks out of being so they

1714
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:08,759
Speaker 1: sent me some videos I did to lamb by myself.

1715
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 1: Yet later he went back to carry prototype printed guns

1716
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: to the E. A O S for testing. We asked

1717
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 1: if it was scary being an undercover gun runner in

1718
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 1: a dictatorship. He says it was, but he found that

1719
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 1: he had a powerful ally in his fight homophobia. Yeah,

1720
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 1: oscar Of. We need to discloses, so you know, yeah,

1721
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 1: disguises though. I just that I have a long hair,

1722
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,640
Speaker 1: so I act like a day so you know that

1723
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 1: the military has so Jianna and equality, so they hate game.

1724
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 1: That's why I just just our brand. The military, assuming

1725
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 1: me Of was gay and therefore incapable of fighting, let

1726
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 1: him go. Miak kept his mouth shut and let their

1727
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 1: homophobia help him smuggle the guns with which he hopes

1728
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: to help topple the regime that places so much stock

1729
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,560
Speaker 1: and values like these. Miak said he had to go

1730
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 1: to the jungle to prove that his guns worked because

1731
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 1: at first the ear didn't believe him about the gain.

1732
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:06,640
Speaker 1: No one, no one believes I believed that. No one

1733
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: believed that, so we have to made made it fast

1734
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 1: and show them. So we made it first, uh we said,

1735
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: we got again. It's it's a self fool. We lie,

1736
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:20,680
Speaker 1: we need to lie, and we send this to the

1737
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 1: e O. Then they made it and it didn't walk

1738
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: out and the adjust and walk out. Okay, yeah, how

1739
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 1: do they feel made? Oh? Oh my my one of

1740
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 1: my revolutionary and it was they said, oh, they're really

1741
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 1: really happy. There's all that, all of the friend that

1742
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 1: and most progession. Let's do it right now. Yes that

1743
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: Almost everyone we met spend time in the jungle. Rooney,

1744
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 1: that's a normed the gear not a given name, started

1745
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: off as a protester, and just like everyone else, he

1746
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 1: fled into the jungle to avoid being murdered by the

1747
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 1: government and to learn from the ethnic armed organizations how

1748
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 1: to fight back when when we try and make peace

1749
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 1: protesting and it's really break down. Then he decided, like

1750
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 1: he also we so we decided to choose to have

1751
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 1: an ass and to make to make a revolution. So

1752
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: at this time he goes to the EO or stays

1753
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 1: and he lands the trainees, you know, even especially the

1754
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 1: explosive trainees, and he got back to the town and

1755
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:23,559
Speaker 1: he's still making this explosive with the head of the teachings.

1756
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: After learning from the e a O S, he came

1757
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 1: back to Young Gone to put his knowledge to use.

1758
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 1: Of course, just like MIAs gunmaking team and the street

1759
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:34,679
Speaker 1: protesters who learned from Hong Konger's he took to YouTube

1760
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:36,560
Speaker 1: and Google to try and find a better way to

1761
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 1: build killing machines. So it's like the EO teaches the

1762
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 1: very business explosives just came bound. You can produce and

1763
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:46,680
Speaker 1: you guysn't like this, But after they land a very

1764
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 1: business then and they want to improve. So the landbine

1765
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:54,759
Speaker 1: theirselfs just like d I Y the lambine yourself with Google,

1766
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:58,680
Speaker 1: with YouTube, so later and later even they can make

1767
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 1: TNT and et Y using YouTube. Of course, nearly everyone

1768
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 1: we met at some point googled something like how to

1769
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 1: make gun or how to make bomb. Now this is

1770
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 1: not ideal, op SEC, but it speaks to the desperation

1771
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 1: of the times. They used crowdfunding websites to raise money

1772
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 1: for ingredients, and Rooney soon started putting his knowledge into practice.

1773
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 1: What that meant was that people died he killed human

1774
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 1: beings with the explosives that he made. Now, those people

1775
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 1: would have killed Rooney or anyone else we've spoken to

1776
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 1: in this series. He was defending himself and others by

1777
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 1: making killing machines. But still, if you're a decent person,

1778
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:39,600
Speaker 1: it's not easy to watch your work result in a

1779
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 1: stranger being blown into a pink mist. He is not

1780
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: proud of that, but you know, you know, he is

1781
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 1: never trying to kick even a cat on any man.

1782
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 1: He is sad, but he had to do because of revolution.

1783
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 1: Revolution was in Rooney's blood. The military had stolen his

1784
01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 1: house as a kid, and he'd grown up with his

1785
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: uncle sharing men Marie's of the pro democracy uprising and

1786
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 1: it's violent repression. He'd seen his family, his cousin brothers

1787
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:10,120
Speaker 1: and their parents harassed for his whole life. Now he

1788
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:13,439
Speaker 1: had a chance to fight back. He carried out hundreds

1789
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 1: of missions before he eventually had to flee the city

1790
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 1: when an accident led to serious injury. Like in June

1791
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 1: Tones Saven, there's a nine mission, so he has to

1792
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 1: made nine boom, Yeah, really big ball. So they did

1793
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 1: trying to assembly this bowl adult one of his brands

1794
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:39,759
Speaker 1: smoking and this this family is called Campo. After the blast,

1795
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:41,720
Speaker 1: he had to run away from his house before the

1796
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,760
Speaker 1: police arrived. His friend was not so lucky, and he's

1797
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 1: in jail now. Rooney is mostly recovered, but it's not

1798
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 1: safe for him to go back, so he's hoping to

1799
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 1: make a new start in Mason. The fight didn't stay

1800
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 1: in Yangon, in Napod or even for villages living outside.

1801
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:03,519
Speaker 1: The coup was just as real, but so was a

1802
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 1: desire to fight back. People outside of town found themselves

1803
01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 1: in the cross hairs at the Topmador as well. The

1804
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 1: military employs a strategy which they call four cuts. It's

1805
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:17,679
Speaker 1: designed to alienate the rebels from local support. It doesn't work.

1806
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,719
Speaker 1: It's kind of scorched earth. Stuff has never worked. Didn't

1807
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 1: work when the Nazis tried in Europe, didn't work when

1808
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 1: the US tried in the Middle East of Vietnam, doesn't

1809
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:28,479
Speaker 1: work when it Rael keeps doing it, and it doesn't

1810
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:31,920
Speaker 1: work in Myanmar. What it does do is drive people

1811
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:33,680
Speaker 1: who lose their families to pick up a gun and

1812
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 1: kill soldiers. And it's not hard to see why. I

1813
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:39,600
Speaker 1: just want to play you our conversation watching one of

1814
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 1: Andy's videos about one of hundreds of mascarets that have

1815
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:46,120
Speaker 1: happened since last February and as a warning that stuff

1816
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about, it is about as horrible

1817
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:52,479
Speaker 1: as stuff can be. But yeah, basically about I think

1818
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 1: twenty eight people were killed that day. They just came

1819
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 1: into a village and show everyone. That's the handmade guns

1820
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 1: that these villagers had. But it was just they weren't

1821
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: shooting anyone though. It's that's all the everyone died. All

1822
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:12,679
Speaker 1: these guys died. Look at that his hands tied. Yeah, yeah,

1823
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 1: looks like the love trying to tie their hands. Yeah,

1824
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 1: that's electrical, it looks like. And they burned the whole village.

1825
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 1: Now yeah they did, yeah twice, you guys are yeah yeah,

1826
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 1: And that's why we say massacre because it's fucking look

1827
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 1: at all the brains out, you know. Yeah, yeah, all

1828
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 1: these kids, they weren't even eighteen. So all the villagers

1829
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:51,799
Speaker 1: that run away, they took a photo of the village

1830
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 1: from afar and they burned the where the tith and

1831
01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 1: then left. Yeah Jesus fucking Christ, Yeah, it was all

1832
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:05,799
Speaker 1: he did. And he says. A nonprofit called Liberate Myanmar

1833
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 1: supports the families every month, keeping them fair and sheltered,

1834
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:12,280
Speaker 1: because however hard the government tries to divide the people

1835
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:15,760
Speaker 1: from one another, it always seems to fail. Instead, it

1836
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:21,680
Speaker 1: just pushes them closer and closer together. While we were

1837
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:24,680
Speaker 1: in Thailand having a drink on a rooftop actually and

1838
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 1: talking about some kind of meditation retreat that a guy

1839
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: we met had gone on, we got to see some

1840
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 1: of the action for ourselves. That night was a fun one.

1841
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 1: We were hanging out with some nonprofit folks and we'd

1842
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 1: acquired some pretty terrible whiskey. At various points in the

1843
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: evening we would ambush one of the boys and tell

1844
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 1: them they've been shot in the arm or the leg,

1845
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 1: and have the others rush into practice the stop the

1846
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:48,959
Speaker 1: bleed skills well, and I demonstrated some improvised carrying techniques

1847
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:51,240
Speaker 1: and how to effectively turn and drop to the floor

1848
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 1: when you're in the intimate presence of a grenade. Everyone

1849
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: else at the party probably thought we were pretty strange,

1850
01:51:56,439 --> 01:52:00,320
Speaker 1: but we were having fun. Then in the distance we

1851
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:03,519
Speaker 1: saw a huge yellow flash. It took a few seconds

1852
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 1: of us all wondering if that whiskey had sent us

1853
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 1: blind before the boom reached us. The first we thought

1854
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: it was one of the air strikes that have been

1855
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:12,720
Speaker 1: happening in the border region. But it was close and

1856
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 1: it was just one huge boom, not the rockets and

1857
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,600
Speaker 1: cluster bombs that tap the door like to drop on civilians.

1858
01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:21,800
Speaker 1: Within minutes, minutes of nervously waiting on the rooftop to

1859
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 1: see what was coming next, Andy's phone started buzzing. It

1860
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 1: was a car bomb and it had gone off about

1861
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 1: a hundred yards from the border where we stood earlier

1862
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:40,479
Speaker 1: that day. Camera or something, let me see, right, how

1863
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 1: did they fucking get it in there? Immediately we had questions,

1864
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 1: but very few answers. Car bombs hadn't been the thing

1865
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 1: thus far in the revolution. This was new. Car bombs

1866
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 1: are also extremely scary. It's hard not to be around

1867
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 1: cars in the city, and when any one of those

1868
01:52:56,240 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 1: cars might kill you, it's hard to do anything feeling

1869
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 1: any semblance of safety. I want to know who did well?

1870
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, probably no car bombs. I've never heard

1871
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 1: of it. It hasn't yet. Is it somebody who driving it?

1872
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:17,400
Speaker 1: Or kind of like I don't think it's someone driving it?

1873
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 1: Is it like you don't see anything there? Like h no,

1874
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean it could have is it by the because

1875
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: if if there was a person in here, there wouldn't

1876
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 1: be anything left. Yeah, you wouldn't se it. No, no, no.

1877
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 1: But the thing is, look, there's the fence like that

1878
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:32,400
Speaker 1: that looks like it was there one at Yeah it was.

1879
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:37,120
Speaker 1: It looks like right by the breach. But then I

1880
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 1: don't know why, what this, what happened. We still aren't

1881
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,639
Speaker 1: sure who set off the car bomb or if anyone died.

1882
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 1: In a conflict like the one in Myanmar, it's sometimes

1883
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,640
Speaker 1: as confusing as it is scary. The military are more

1884
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 1: than capable of a false flag style attack, killing civilians

1885
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 1: and then blaming the PDF, and it has done this before.

1886
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:59,120
Speaker 1: That's what totalitarianism does. It aims to control every aspect

1887
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 1: of every day life, even the truth. The jungle haunted

1888
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:05,160
Speaker 1: us the whole time we were there, unattainable. But right

1889
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 1: next door, just a few miles away, and Locke Caw

1890
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 1: the fight was raging. Lucky caused what's called a friendship town.

1891
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:14,560
Speaker 1: It was built with Japanese money as a place for

1892
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:16,840
Speaker 1: k and new fighters to live after they put down

1893
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,400
Speaker 1: their arms. It was supposed to be a symbol of

1894
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 1: hope and a new, peaceful and democratic Mi'anmar. Now it's

1895
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:26,320
Speaker 1: a battlefield. But while we couldn't get there, we could

1896
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 1: walk along the river bank and look at the jungle

1897
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:30,920
Speaker 1: and imagine what it must be like up in those mountains,

1898
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 1: which we did almost every day. Myanmar itself looms like

1899
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 1: a mountain over the town of Masot. It's a border

1900
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:40,520
Speaker 1: town without a border, but the city is surrounded by

1901
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:44,839
Speaker 1: refugee camps, nonprofit offices, and even museums for political prisoners

1902
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 1: that can't exist on the other side of the river.

1903
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 1: One day, we took a cab to see a monastery

1904
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 1: on a bluff overlooking the river down into My'anmar. We

1905
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 1: could see a casino still doing business with Chinese tourists,

1906
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 1: despite the bombing nearby. On the walls of the mono

1907
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,600
Speaker 1: sterry were a colorful but horrific scenes of rape and

1908
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 1: murder Buddhist stages of Hell, a reminder that, according to

1909
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:09,240
Speaker 1: the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism, all life is suffering

1910
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 1: and greed is the cause of suffering. The same thing

1911
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 1: could be said for the refugees and fighters forced to

1912
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 1: hide in the endless green of the jungle, driven away

1913
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 1: from their homes by the greed of men who worship power,

1914
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:47,280
Speaker 1: all demo, crazy dye wordering my doing. It's not easy

1915
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 1: to leave your home, even when people there are trying

1916
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 1: to kill you. Doctor Wonder, like everyone else, struggled with

1917
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:57,080
Speaker 1: the choice. His hospital had next to no supplies. COVID's

1918
01:55:57,120 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 1: third wave was ravaging the population, and he couldn't even

1919
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:03,640
Speaker 1: get oxygen to treat sick patients. All around him was

1920
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:07,480
Speaker 1: death and fear, but he still wanted to stay. Actually,

1921
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to live my country because if we

1922
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 1: just live like that, our country will be We'll go

1923
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 1: back to yes before century. You know, you know, they

1924
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:24,120
Speaker 1: control everything. We have to just cue to where we

1925
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:27,680
Speaker 1: have to just make it cue to get a patrolium petroleum.

1926
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:31,640
Speaker 1: We have faced in our young age. I don't I

1927
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:35,760
Speaker 1: don't want to feel that feeling again, not for me,

1928
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 1: not just for me, enough of for our people, for

1929
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:43,720
Speaker 1: our new generation. I've got two young accents. Yes, one

1930
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:47,840
Speaker 1: is a five year one is an idea. So I

1931
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:53,080
Speaker 1: just want to fight until my last friend. But I

1932
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 1: can't tolerate because they are trying, because you know, a

1933
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 1: ground movement. I'm trying my best. The decision to go

1934
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 1: was made for him by the topal. We are making

1935
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 1: the meeting with him. He is anc control a control

1936
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 1: yes at those times. So we're making a meeting then

1937
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 1: asking him did he saved or not? You know adust

1938
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 1: And at the end of the meeting, he he told

1939
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 1: me that him he was going to the in saying oh,

1940
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:34,720
Speaker 1: I say, oh shit, holy ship. He was arrested. So

1941
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 1: I was living the young ol and you know, the

1942
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 1: government sorry that. The military also announced that the remain

1943
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:49,880
Speaker 1: to arrest remaining arrested. I think all of my things

1944
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 1: that you have to go because you have all of

1945
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:54,440
Speaker 1: the data, so you have to go. So I decided

1946
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:57,760
Speaker 1: to go. Okay, Andy and the boys made the decision

1947
01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 1: to abandon their apartment and head for current territory and

1948
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 1: eventually Thailand. Once one of their protest friends was arrested

1949
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:06,760
Speaker 1: by the government, his phone was on him when he

1950
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:10,760
Speaker 1: got caught, potentially exposing all of them. After a harrowing

1951
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 1: drive into the jungle and several days among the Kuran,

1952
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:16,360
Speaker 1: they succeeded in finding a people smuggler to get them

1953
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 1: across the border without getting stuck in one of the

1954
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:22,480
Speaker 1: refugee camps operated by the Thai government. Three days later,

1955
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: we were trying to cross at night time, and these

1956
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 1: guys said, okay, you know you're going you cross, you

1957
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:33,040
Speaker 1: get to Thailand the same night. And we thought, okay,

1958
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, and we we streamed across the river. It

1959
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 1: was very scary, but for me, I've done it like

1960
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 1: three times, so it was a little bit. I thought

1961
01:58:42,240 --> 01:58:44,800
Speaker 1: it was going to be better, but it was more

1962
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 1: stressful because I had them right, So I was like,

1963
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:49,040
Speaker 1: if it was me alone, maybe I could, you know,

1964
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:51,360
Speaker 1: whatever happened, I would find a way out. I'm not

1965
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 1: sure if I could do that with three other people,

1966
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, so I was quite nervous. We paid what

1967
01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:03,240
Speaker 1: five thouting bodies, right, it's not cheap, It is not cheaping.

1968
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 1: But because that's the thing, it's not just one person. Yeah,

1969
01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:13,440
Speaker 1: it's not just one person. He the person that crossed

1970
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:17,520
Speaker 1: us from the river from Noality to this side is

1971
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 1: one and then from there to the Norman's line is

1972
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:23,080
Speaker 1: another one. Right, So yeah, we saw the soldier were

1973
01:59:23,120 --> 01:59:26,560
Speaker 1: like Alex Dayton fought or attempted to fight with the

1974
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:29,320
Speaker 1: correct but most of the time only did with stamp century,

1975
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:32,160
Speaker 1: we're about getting enough to eat. I wonder when he

1976
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:34,240
Speaker 1: gets his hands or something better than a squirrel rifle

1977
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 1: I kind of use because we don't have like enough guns,

1978
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 1: you know. Like so by the time that there was

1979
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:49,840
Speaker 1: a like straight having uh lik ago, I thought like, oh,

1980
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:51,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to like go and you know, like

1981
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:56,720
Speaker 1: fight them now. But uh if they like we have

1982
01:59:56,920 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 1: to pack our staff and move to a diepa Jenko

1983
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:07,480
Speaker 1: so were like kind of like reputees with uniforms. So yeah,

1984
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm just keep staying there like we

1985
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:12,880
Speaker 1: if we are just going to keep running away like this,

1986
02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:15,800
Speaker 1: like I don't want to stay there. I want to

1987
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:19,600
Speaker 1: do something about the need, like you know, like the

1988
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:23,600
Speaker 1: main needs in our kidis the weapons against So I

1989
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:26,200
Speaker 1: want to like come here and like you know, like

1990
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:31,440
Speaker 1: Wok Wok for that, he called his unit refugees with uniforms,

1991
02:00:31,680 --> 02:00:34,320
Speaker 1: and that's about what they were. This is why rebels

1992
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:36,400
Speaker 1: like me Ak and Daddy you m c d are

1993
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:39,560
Speaker 1: so motivated to find a way to reliably print functional

1994
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:44,080
Speaker 1: semi automatic weapons. The Korean are desperately under armed, and

1995
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:46,760
Speaker 1: yet they've been able to hold off the military for decades.

1996
02:00:47,200 --> 02:00:50,080
Speaker 1: If the Koran and other ethnic organizations were able to

1997
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:54,040
Speaker 1: build functional arms production infrastructure alongside the new rebels with

1998
02:00:54,120 --> 02:00:57,720
Speaker 1: the PDF, they have a real chance at victory. If

1999
02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:00,760
Speaker 1: they succeed in building this, the repercussion around the world

2000
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:04,360
Speaker 1: could be massive. That is, however, a story for another day.

2001
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:09,960
Speaker 1: Seeing this kind of conflict isn't good for you. Nobody's

2002
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 1: supposed to live through this kind of stuff, and certainly

2003
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:15,280
Speaker 1: not when they're just kids. Even in a rich country

2004
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:19,200
Speaker 1: replete with therapists and VA clinics. Thousands of US veterans

2005
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:22,800
Speaker 1: live every day with PTFT. The difference for them is

2006
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:26,360
Speaker 1: that they went to war in Myanma what comes to you?

2007
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:32,120
Speaker 1: And then there's another one which is Sada this one

2008
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 1: and I did the first part and I'm too scared

2009
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 1: to do the second part. Yeah, I mean this is

2010
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 1: fucked up. Like every time I have to do it,

2011
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:46,360
Speaker 1: I get my head get funned. That's one of the

2012
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:50,160
Speaker 1: guy and so that's in Yangon in the protest. That's

2013
02:01:50,160 --> 02:01:52,080
Speaker 1: one of the night, where that's one of the day.

2014
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:55,480
Speaker 1: But the Ajouana about a hundred people would kill over

2015
02:01:55,480 --> 02:02:00,480
Speaker 1: a hundred people. You can see in the video they

2016
02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:07,520
Speaker 1: come in um and you will see that the military,

2017
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:09,720
Speaker 1: how the military came in and how they were trying

2018
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:13,560
Speaker 1: to I'm not sure if I have it any more,

2019
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:27,520
Speaker 1: maybe here delop. They surrounded and they killed everybody. What

2020
02:02:27,640 --> 02:02:30,600
Speaker 1: they've seen is bonded the boys. They do anything for

2021
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:32,840
Speaker 1: each other, and they've already done things that most of

2022
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,720
Speaker 1: us can't imagine. When one of their mothers wanted to

2023
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:39,200
Speaker 1: take him home, he felt helpless without them. When the

2024
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:41,640
Speaker 1: rest of them crossed. One of their moms came back

2025
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:44,360
Speaker 1: to get him without them, and stuck in the country

2026
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:47,760
Speaker 1: following apart, he didn't want to keep going. Every day

2027
02:02:47,800 --> 02:02:51,320
Speaker 1: he watched soldiers outside himself popping Yabba pills yabas, a

2028
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:54,240
Speaker 1: meth based drug that soldiers are often given by the military.

2029
02:02:55,320 --> 02:02:57,880
Speaker 1: He worried they kill him. His brother in law was

2030
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:01,760
Speaker 1: arrested and tortured just to having a lighter. Can you

2031
02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:04,480
Speaker 1: remember what it felt like when your mom came taking him.

2032
02:03:05,800 --> 02:03:09,000
Speaker 1: He kept saying, he's gonna kill himself for a long time,

2033
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:15,720
Speaker 1: for a long time. I will come through, okay, Yeah. Yeah.

2034
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:26,840
Speaker 1: He wasn't in a good space. Yeah, that's very space. Yeah,

2035
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:31,280
Speaker 1: and I didn't that. So he was saying that if

2036
02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 1: he has to go back, he was telling us like, um,

2037
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, now he's alone, Like he doesn't even have

2038
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:39,960
Speaker 1: us anymore. And so he was saying, like he's going

2039
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:41,400
Speaker 1: to go out to the protests and he's going to

2040
02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:44,480
Speaker 1: try to kill the cops, right, the soldiers, the police.

2041
02:03:45,160 --> 02:03:48,200
Speaker 1: And it was very difficult like for us to like

2042
02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:53,240
Speaker 1: because we know his mom can't really like help him

2043
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:55,320
Speaker 1: with that stuff. You know we can, but she really

2044
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:58,320
Speaker 1: wanted to take him. So over time they chatted on

2045
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:01,680
Speaker 1: the phone and he felt it. But now he's here

2046
02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:04,560
Speaker 1: with the boys. It's him playing his guitar and the

2047
02:04:04,640 --> 02:04:07,480
Speaker 1: music you heard. Um, he got a little better. Um

2048
02:04:09,080 --> 02:04:11,560
Speaker 1: coping with this in a good life, you know what

2049
02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, if you're young and you see

2050
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:18,720
Speaker 1: people killing people like this terribly, you have some drug

2051
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:22,080
Speaker 1: fucked up thoughts yourself too, write like well I could

2052
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:24,120
Speaker 1: do this to someone too, and stuff like that. So

2053
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:27,480
Speaker 1: he's struggled a lot with that for a long time.

2054
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:30,760
Speaker 1: And um, I think the worst thing was being alone.

2055
02:04:31,160 --> 02:04:33,400
Speaker 1: He was alone. He couldn't talk to his mom about

2056
02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:36,920
Speaker 1: all these things, right. He was paranoid, he was scary,

2057
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:40,720
Speaker 1: he was traumatized. So I mean you should see like

2058
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:44,720
Speaker 1: the first time he canalize. It's been five months since

2059
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:47,280
Speaker 1: he was he's here, but the first few months it

2060
02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:52,720
Speaker 1: was very difficult. Yeah, I'm kind of like I talked

2061
02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:54,600
Speaker 1: to them all the time about this, because I know

2062
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:59,080
Speaker 1: talking helps with these stuffs, like especially when you all

2063
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:01,520
Speaker 1: feel in the same It's like, you know, and I

2064
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:03,800
Speaker 1: think our ways of coping with this is like we

2065
02:05:03,920 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 1: talked about it about like kind of like a joking way,

2066
02:05:06,720 --> 02:05:09,520
Speaker 1: like people hearing it. That's the best way to deal

2067
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:11,560
Speaker 1: with it, Like to get through those hard days on

2068
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:14,160
Speaker 1: his own looking down at men who wanted him dead.

2069
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:18,000
Speaker 1: He picked up a cheap acoustic guitar. When he got back,

2070
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:20,880
Speaker 1: he began teaching the others he hadn't picked it up.

2071
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:24,360
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. When we went out to the pool

2072
02:05:24,360 --> 02:05:27,440
Speaker 1: bar at night, in between kicking herrasses, the boys would

2073
02:05:27,480 --> 02:05:29,080
Speaker 1: look up at the stage. It was occupied by a

2074
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:33,400
Speaker 1: pretty second rate cover band for whatever reason, probably not

2075
02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:36,280
Speaker 1: helped by the incredibly rough Tige, and we've been smashing back.

2076
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:38,360
Speaker 1: I looked at them looking at the stage on our

2077
02:05:38,440 --> 02:05:42,280
Speaker 1: last night, and I wanted to cry. Teenage kids shouldn't

2078
02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:44,760
Speaker 1: be caught picking up guns to fight or picking up

2079
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:47,560
Speaker 1: cameras to film their friends dying. They should be doing

2080
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:49,480
Speaker 1: what I was doing when I was a teenager, which

2081
02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 1: is making a complete prick of myself on a stage

2082
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:55,840
Speaker 1: with a guitar. One day, hopefully soon they'll be able

2083
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:57,680
Speaker 1: to sing happy songs again and the war will just

2084
02:05:57,760 --> 02:06:05,440
Speaker 1: be a memory, my stuff. Then when you write it before, Yeah,

2085
02:06:06,840 --> 02:06:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't have from Paul. Yeah, I don't talk like stood.

2086
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:22,080
Speaker 1: Their bond is so close now, they're barely ever apart.

2087
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:25,040
Speaker 1: It's a lot of responsibility for Andy, who's just twenty

2088
02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:27,840
Speaker 1: two himself, but he wouldn't want it any other way,

2089
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:31,520
Speaker 1: and neither would they. One night and you and Sarah

2090
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:34,360
Speaker 1: have appointments, and so Robert and I take the boys

2091
02:06:34,440 --> 02:06:37,160
Speaker 1: for dinner. It's a lot of fun and actually a

2092
02:06:37,240 --> 02:06:40,040
Speaker 1: lot of food. But when we talked to him about

2093
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:42,440
Speaker 1: their options as refugees who might be able to come

2094
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:45,480
Speaker 1: to the US, one thing is clear. They don't want

2095
02:06:45,480 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 1: to be a part. For me, it's like I'd rather

2096
02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:52,360
Speaker 1: fucking take bullet than any of them, because if they

2097
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:54,920
Speaker 1: die or if something happened to them, I am in

2098
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:56,920
Speaker 1: so much trouble, you know what I mean. But I

2099
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:59,360
Speaker 1: know that that's what they want to do. Like if

2100
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:02,640
Speaker 1: the mom trud him and yangon and he doesn't do

2101
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:06,160
Speaker 1: anything and the revolution is over, he's going to feel

2102
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:08,520
Speaker 1: so much regret, you know, like for not being involved

2103
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:11,840
Speaker 1: in this, and that's for me. It's like people if

2104
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:13,800
Speaker 1: if people want to fight, like, you know, like we

2105
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:19,400
Speaker 1: shouldn't keep them. We shouldn't just say yeah. It's been

2106
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:21,880
Speaker 1: a few months since we got back from Masont. It's

2107
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:24,400
Speaker 1: the rainy season there now, and that makes fighting and

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Speaker 1: reporting harder. Amira is still stuck in Mason. It it's

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Speaker 1: not safe for her to go back to a country

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Speaker 1: where her family wants her dead, but it's not possible

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Speaker 1: for her to leave Masat either without travel documents, something

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Speaker 1: She's stuck in a little room in a hotel. It's

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Speaker 1: not a great place for a young woman, and it's

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Speaker 1: even worse when she has to watch her friends continue

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Speaker 1: to struggle without her. We both wrote to the U

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Speaker 1: N and the various embassies on her behalf, but months

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Speaker 1: later we've heard nothing. This is typical of a lot

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Speaker 1: of refugees. They're often presented as a faceless mass of humanity,

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Speaker 1: bereft of hope, but each of them has a story,

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Speaker 1: and those refugee camps along the border between Thailand and

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Speaker 1: Myanmar are full of stories. Some of those are stories

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Speaker 1: of fear, some of heroism, and some of tragedy, But

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Speaker 1: until things change at the u N, all of those

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Speaker 1: stories aren't being told. The three D printed firearms Mawk

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Speaker 1: and his colleagues are working on have made massive progress

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Speaker 1: over the last few months. But even though three D

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Speaker 1: printed guns cost a small fraction of the price of

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Speaker 1: an M sixteen or an a K forty seven, the

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Speaker 1: pro democracy forces are still desperately underfunded. They're at war

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Speaker 1: with the state, but they don't have any of the

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Speaker 1: apparatus of the state with which to fight back. Instead,

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Speaker 1: the gen Z rebels have turned once again to the Internet.

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Speaker 1: Alongside crowdfunding campaigns that liberate, they've developed a more innovative

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Speaker 1: fundraising method that allows for donations even from people who

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Speaker 1: don't have any money. Instead of soliciting cash donations risking

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Speaker 1: exposing their donors, they began using a method that they

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Speaker 1: call click to Donate, where supporters could help the rebels

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Speaker 1: by clicking on adverts on certain videos and websites in

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Speaker 1: order to generate advertising revenue. It's used to find everything

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Speaker 1: from weapons purchases to shelter for the ten four thousand

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Speaker 1: eternally displaced people in Myanmar. I spoke to several people

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Speaker 1: in Myanmar who asked not to be named for their

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Speaker 1: own safety, but are very familiar with the funding of

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Speaker 1: the PDF. One of them told me click to donate

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02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:23,360
Speaker 1: started to support government staff who had decided to join

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Speaker 1: a civil disobedience movement. Government staff are always low paid,

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Speaker 1: and so they were not very financially stable. In the beginning,

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Speaker 1: the function click to tommy allow these workers to strike

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Speaker 1: without pay. After a few weeks of being on strike,

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Speaker 1: financial concerns were weakening the movement and people were being

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Speaker 1: forced to work or starve. Younger protomocracy activists responded by

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Speaker 1: setting up YouTube channels and then using the anti coup

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Speaker 1: telegram channels to direct millions of views and a cliques

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Speaker 1: to them from across the country and from supporters abroad.

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Speaker 1: The resulting advertising revenue allowed them to fund the civil

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Speaker 1: disobedience movement and later to equip the PDF. By December,

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Speaker 1: these clicks were yielding an income of about five hundred

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Speaker 1: million kiyats about twenty eight thousand dollars every day. The

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Speaker 1: military junta responded to this and international indignation at videos

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Speaker 1: of protesters being massacred in the street by tripling data

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Speaker 1: prizes and throttling internet connection speeds. Pro democracy keyboard warriors

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02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:27,720
Speaker 1: responded with viral content that required less bandwidth, including writing

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Speaker 1: personal finance blogs to attract the u S audience that

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Speaker 1: was unknowingly supporting a revolution with its clicks. People in

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Speaker 1: Myanmar also began to use VPNs to access the Internet.

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Speaker 1: This helped them get around some of the junta's restrictions

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Speaker 1: and also yielded a higher advertising payment per click on

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Speaker 1: a given advert. Websites like Digital Revolution allow users to

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Speaker 1: find content that supports pro democracy rebels and click on it,

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Speaker 1: lending their support with nothing more than a broadband connection

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Speaker 1: and a few seconds of their time. Alongside their videos

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Speaker 1: and websites, the gen Z rebels also launched games. At first,

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Speaker 1: they were just simple, little online phone app games that

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Speaker 1: would let you throw darts at the cool leader or something.

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Speaker 1: One source told us that these games didn't just support

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Speaker 1: the rebels through funding, but also provided a little bit

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Speaker 1: of mental health care. You know, at least people could

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Speaker 1: virtually kill the folks in their city and their home

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Speaker 1: who were ruining their lives. And at the same time,

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02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:22,480
Speaker 1: the games earned the money, and that money went to

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Speaker 1: fund the PDF. The most impressive of these games is

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Speaker 1: a recently launched War of Heroes, which you can buy

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Speaker 1: for just a dollar on the Apple and Google app

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Speaker 1: stores if you want to check it out. In the game,

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Speaker 1: which is available in Burmese or English, a player can

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Speaker 1: fight as a man or a woman and take on

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Speaker 1: government troops and even zombies. The money donated by these

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Speaker 1: games and adverts doesn't just go into a black hole,

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Speaker 1: according to the sources I spoke to. We have a

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Speaker 1: click to donate Facebook page, they said, and regularly we

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Speaker 1: release financial statements on a Facebook page saying like this

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Speaker 1: month we gave ten million caaps to that group. I

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Speaker 1: spoke to Billy Ford, a program officer for the Burma

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Speaker 1: team at US Institute of Peace. He says this kind

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Speaker 1: of innovation is what's allowed the protomocracy movement to survive

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Speaker 1: in Miama since it was last violently suppressed in ATPs,

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Speaker 1: and resistance movements in Myanmar have historically been an example

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Speaker 1: to the world of creative, strategic and resilient models of activism,

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Speaker 1: he said. This poste movement has taken that to a

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Speaker 1: new level, enabling it to defy all historical precedent and

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Speaker 1: sustain an anti coup movement for more than eighteen months,

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Speaker 1: now actually gaining ground against a regime with an enormous

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Speaker 1: structural advantage, rather than seeing their lack of weapons and

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Speaker 1: funds of the fatal flaw. Ford says that the highly

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Speaker 1: unlined rebels have looked for areas where they can outflank

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Speaker 1: the aging generals who stole their futures from them. The

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Speaker 1: movement has leveraged comparative advantages large numbers of people with

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Speaker 1: time and tech savvy to raise money. He says. This tactic,

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Speaker 1: although unusual, has been a great success. According to Ford,

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Speaker 1: the approach has grown enormously, with one of the video games,

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Speaker 1: for example, rising to become a number two paid app

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Speaker 1: on the App Store at one point. However, all the

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Speaker 1: cliques in the world might not be enough to sweep

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Speaker 1: the rebels into Mandalay and return the country on its

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Speaker 1: path towards democracy. Sources inside ME and MAR say that

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Speaker 1: less and less revenue is generated by a ME and

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Speaker 1: Mari ip address, and that they have had to encourage

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Speaker 1: members of the People's Clique force to install vp ns

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Speaker 1: to make their clicks appear to come from the U

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Speaker 1: S or Europe. Sometimes the traffic is so massive that

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Speaker 1: YouTube's algorithm mistakes it for an artificial intelligence bot net.

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Speaker 1: They're looking, they tell me, it pivoting towards affiliate links

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Speaker 1: and the sort of content driven commerce that has swept

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Speaker 1: the U S media thanks to the success of sites

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Speaker 1: like The wire Cutter. Meanwhile, on the ground, PDF forces

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Speaker 1: are regularly getting the better of the toutmadaw and small

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Speaker 1: arms conflict, but coming off worse when they can't defend

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Speaker 1: themselves against the Russian jets, which the Hunter uses to

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Speaker 1: bomb civilian and military targets. Without man portable anti aircraft systems,

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Speaker 1: the rebels are sitting ducks. The world is sent thou

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Speaker 1: of these to Ukraine and none to people in Myanmar

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Speaker 1: fighting the same battle for democracy against the same Russian jets.

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Speaker 1: Despite this, they're not discouraged. PDF rebels tell me they

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Speaker 1: have been scouring the Internet and they're working on a

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Speaker 1: solution that doesn't need the apparatus of support of a

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Speaker 1: state and instead relies on stable broadband and the increasing

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Speaker 1: ingenuity they've shown in eighteen months of revolution. De crazy,

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Speaker 1: I word oh do dying? YEA yeah? Oh my really

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Speaker 1: young age boy nine? I know it. Hi everyone, it's

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Speaker 1: me again, James. Don't worry. I'm not coming to you

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Speaker 1: at the end of the series to report something tragic

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Speaker 1: like I did. And I'll last me. I'm a series

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Speaker 1: and I'm just recording this little message at the end

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Speaker 1: to say that we're very grateful to Daniel, Andy and

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Speaker 1: for all their hard work on this, and we've gone

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Speaker 1: through countless edits for this particular project, and they've done

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Speaker 1: a lot of hard work to get it to you

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Speaker 1: in the form that you listen to it today and

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Speaker 1: for the last week. We also want to say that

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Speaker 1: although this appears to be a podcast written and recorded

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Speaker 1: by Robert and I, that Andy is very much a

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Speaker 1: co author and that none of this would have been

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Speaker 1: possible without him. As we said, and he's not his

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Speaker 1: real name, and we can't put his real name in

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Speaker 1: the credits because we're worried for his safety, but his

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Speaker 1: work has been invaluable and without him, none of what

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Speaker 1: you've heard would be possible. Hey, We'll be back Monday

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