Speaker 1: Hi, this is Chase Utley and this is the Phillies Show.
Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Philly Show. Ruben Tomorrow, Junior,
Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury, Todds A lucky It's Wednesday, August seventh, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. The Phillies have won two out of their
Speaker 2: last three games. They won Tuesday night in Los Angeles. Guys, tonight,
Speaker 2: the Phillies have an opportunity Wednesday night to win their
Speaker 2: first series since they swept the Dodgers at home last month.
Speaker 2: They've lost six straight series. They've been playing a little
Speaker 2: bit better. They've been getting some hits, they've been pitching
Speaker 2: a little bit better. The bullpen locked it down last night.
Speaker 2: So some encouraging signs out in La La. Of course,
Speaker 2: you see a lot of people. Ruby, you saw Chase
Speaker 2: Utley was at the ballpark yesterday. Greg Dobbs has been
Speaker 2: at the ballpark. It's aw Randy Wolf, Mike Leeber thought
Speaker 2: might be dropping by. I've heard so some some improvement,
Speaker 2: some signs of life from the Phillies. That's been. That's
Speaker 2: been a nice change of pace for for for everybody.
Speaker 3: What do you guys see me?
Speaker 4: What are you saying you're with the team.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I tell you, the attitude has been great.
Speaker 3: I mean I've walked through the clubhouse. It's a totally
Speaker 3: different clubhouse than it used to be like five or
Speaker 3: six years ago.
Speaker 5: They've they've changed things around it.
Speaker 3: And I've gotten a chance to walk through the because
Speaker 3: we to access the manager's office, you got to go
Speaker 3: through the clubhouse. And you know, the guys actually look
Speaker 3: loose and relaxed and doing going about their business, going
Speaker 3: about their work. I don't really see a ton of
Speaker 3: change in like what's going on inside the clubhouse actually,
Speaker 3: But but you're right.
Speaker 5: I think it starts with starting pitching. There's no question when.
Speaker 3: You have a starter like Wheeler who just dealt on Sunday,
Speaker 3: and then you come back with Christopher Sanchez, who was
Speaker 3: just phenomenal yesterday.
Speaker 5: I mean, I love the way he went about his
Speaker 5: business man. He was throwing strikes, he'd been working on
Speaker 5: some things. He had not had a great July. You know,
Speaker 5: he signed the big contract and he had earned it.
Speaker 5: He had been pitching very well, and I thought it
Speaker 5: was a very shrewd move by the Phillies. As he
Speaker 5: continues to progress as a major leaguer, But but he
Speaker 5: went you know, he went into the into the lab,
Speaker 5: so to speak, and worked on some things, and I
Speaker 5: mean it was just delightful to watch him pitch yesterday.
Speaker 5: He threw inside nicely against Otani, kept him off balance.
Speaker 5: It's the second time he's faced him.
Speaker 3: He did a nice job with him, did a pretty
Speaker 3: good job with Freddie Freeman. I mean, those are really
Speaker 3: really good left handed hitters, and did it. I mean,
Speaker 3: he did a heck of a job of keeping things down.
Speaker 3: And when you get good starting pitching, man, you got
Speaker 3: a chance. Came up with some big hits, some home runs.
Speaker 3: It was a nice Philadelphia Phillies win and something that
Speaker 3: we had seen in the early part of the season
Speaker 3: here out here in LA. Hopefully they can carry over
Speaker 3: with Tyler Phillips on the on the bump tonight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've played three pretty good games in a row,
Speaker 4: winning two of them, which is a good sign. It's
Speaker 4: a sign that they're kind of coming out of this.
Speaker 4: There was, you know, Christopher Sanchez a great job last
Speaker 4: night keeping the ball on the ground. You know, they
Speaker 4: end that one ending where they strung some hits together.
Speaker 4: We haven't seen that in a while. That was good.
Speaker 4: They hit the ball over the wall, which they need
Speaker 4: to do their home run reliant. But I still think
Speaker 4: you can win other ways with this offense. When your
Speaker 4: strength of hits together did a lot of that in
Speaker 4: the first half of the season. It's good to see
Speaker 4: them kind of getting back to that. So also gave
Speaker 4: him a nice little bounce, a little little jokes started
Speaker 4: at second base against the lefty. We've seen that, you know,
Speaker 4: a little bit more often recently. You guys get in
Speaker 4: the vibe that this is kind of becoming a platoon
Speaker 4: at second It might be.
Speaker 2: You know, Rob was asked about that yesterday and he said, yes,
Speaker 2: he said, it's more about Sosa than it is about Scott.
Speaker 2: He says he's confident in Stott's ability to hit left
Speaker 2: handed pitching, but he's got to work Sosa in there.
Speaker 2: But that said, if Stott continues to struggle, I could
Speaker 2: see a situation where where Sosa is in there. Now,
Speaker 2: you know that that would be interesting compost season time
Speaker 2: if it's if it stays that way. But but I
Speaker 2: think that's definitely a possibility. And it was interesting yesterday
Speaker 2: Rob Thompson starting Brandon Marsh against Clayton Kershaw and Marsh's
Speaker 2: at bats against lefty's bent have been a lot better,
Speaker 2: and and Rob said, he's also open minded to the
Speaker 2: idea that, you know, if if Marsh continues to hit
Speaker 2: left handed pitching, maybe they keep him out there in
Speaker 2: center field compost season times. So some things that you
Speaker 2: might not have necessarily thought about a month ago as
Speaker 2: you get down the stretch are kind of coming into
Speaker 2: plays as they kind of try to figure things out
Speaker 2: heading into October.
Speaker 5: And that's amazing how things can flip.
Speaker 3: Right. There's a couple of months ago, your a man,
Speaker 3: Scott's got to play every day, and you got to
Speaker 3: platoon the other guy and maybe give you the other guy,
Speaker 3: give Marsh a chance, maybe against the left east, but
Speaker 3: then he's so bad against him. Now you can't play
Speaker 3: against left handers. And now it's almost like a flip
Speaker 3: because you haven't seen the development and Stott that you
Speaker 3: thought you would get.
Speaker 5: If it were me, I would go ahead and platoon
Speaker 5: him right now.
Speaker 3: Because this young man in Sosa impacts the game almost
Speaker 3: every single time he plays, whether it's a nice defensive
Speaker 3: play or it's a big bass hit or a sack fly,
Speaker 3: or yesterday was a big home run. I mean, this
Speaker 3: guy's playing with a lot of confidence. I know that
Speaker 3: he loves playing for Rob Thompson. Rob Thompson loves him
Speaker 3: and trusts him. And I mean I got to find
Speaker 3: out whether this guy can actually be a real platoon
Speaker 3: for me. And I mean as good as time as
Speaker 3: any right now here in August to see because face
Speaker 3: some left handers, man and and Scott has not, you know,
Speaker 3: swung the back consistently well, So he hasn't earned that
Speaker 3: right to be able to hit every single day against
Speaker 3: the left handers. So I would give him a shot
Speaker 3: if I were Rob Thompson. But again there's the egos.
Speaker 3: He's got a massage, he's gotta you know, there's things
Speaker 3: he's got to do. You know, the whole thing with
Speaker 3: not pinch hitting for Garrett Stubbs, you know, a couple
Speaker 3: of nights ago. You know, he that wasn't an ego
Speaker 3: thing as much as it was he wanted to make
Speaker 3: sure that JT is is ready physically to be able
Speaker 3: to do that sort of thing, you know, sit down
Speaker 3: all game long and then bounce into the game. I
Speaker 3: think he now feels comfort more comfortable about doing something
Speaker 3: like that after having talked to him. So you're gonna
Speaker 3: see some things when you talk about, you know, preparing
Speaker 3: for the playoffs, you're gonna see some things. I think
Speaker 3: that is that are you know, pretty germane to being
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, like to to being part of what
Speaker 3: it is to be a contending team in important games
Speaker 3: in September and October.
Speaker 5: And it's as good a time as any to find out.
Speaker 4: It's about winning ball games now and in October. If
Speaker 4: the platoon gives you a better chance of winning that ballgame,
Speaker 4: you must go with it. If you are the player
Speaker 4: the subject of the platoon and you do not like it,
Speaker 4: perform better against the left or the righty and you
Speaker 4: will get more full time opportunities. It's simple performance based industry,
Speaker 4: performance based game, performance based business perform you will play.
Speaker 2: Especially on a team like this that's trying to win
Speaker 2: the World Series. It's they're not you know, they're not
Speaker 2: fighting a you know, they're not just happy to be here.
Speaker 2: This is a team that's trying to win.
Speaker 3: A world They're not playing they're not playing titty wings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. So the last couple of days we've
Speaker 2: asked for some listener viewer questions guys, and we got
Speaker 2: a lot, and I thought it would be fun to kind
Speaker 2: of just let's just go through some of these. Let's
Speaker 2: start with a big picture when he kind of started
Speaker 2: talking big picture. But this one's from d Stone. Danny Stone,
Speaker 2: I guess on a scale of one to ten, how
Speaker 2: worried are you, guys about the current state of the Phillies.
Speaker 2: Let's start with Jim. Jim, how ward are you in
Speaker 2: a scale of one to ten, let me.
Speaker 4: Take my pulse. I'll warried, Warry and panic are not
Speaker 4: in my vocabulary at least at least at this time
Speaker 4: of the year. So I'm probably a one point.
Speaker 3: Or at your or at your age, I'm.
Speaker 4: A one point five one point five my warr meter.
Speaker 4: I think it's uh, you know, baseball, ebbs and flows.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw all the cliches at you, the ups
Speaker 4: and the downs, it's baseball. I think they have good
Speaker 4: players with good track records, and I think they're going
Speaker 4: through a funk, you know, the Dodgers kind of going
Speaker 4: through with the Oriols have gone through with, the Yankees
Speaker 4: have gone through it. It's bitten the Phillies, and I
Speaker 4: think they're gonna live to tell about it, uh and
Speaker 4: maybe be stronger for it. Yes, there is swing and
Speaker 4: missing this lineup, even when they're going good, there's gonna
Speaker 4: be nice when you go, what are they doing? It's
Speaker 4: there's a lot of swing and miss this chase. It's
Speaker 4: it's just in their DNA. But when they put it
Speaker 4: together and they have great games, they can play over that.
Speaker 4: They'll be nice. Though when it rears its head and
Speaker 4: it'll frustrate you. They've had injuries in the starting rotation
Speaker 4: that's difficult to deal with. They had a little lull
Speaker 4: in the starting rotation from Sanchez and Wheeler had a
Speaker 4: tough one. That's part of baseball. I still like this team.
Speaker 4: My worry factor one point five nic.
Speaker 3: So I'll give it to you from a several different
Speaker 3: angles as coming from the Ruby tomorrow, the player I
Speaker 3: have zero, okay, absolutely zero, no worries at all. I
Speaker 3: know the boys will be fine. As a Philadelphia Phillies
Speaker 3: fan growing up, I'm at a nine as a GM.
Speaker 3: When I was a GM, i'd probably be in like
Speaker 3: the six to seven range. Really okay, But I will
Speaker 3: tell you that I'm probably right now, probably right in
Speaker 3: the four or five. And the reason why I'm four
Speaker 3: or five is because the only person that I'm really
Speaker 3: concerned about, or I guess the element that I'm worried
Speaker 3: about is the starting pitching. If the starting pitching, if
Speaker 3: you get Suarez back, and you know, I think he
Speaker 3: is starting to develop. He had a nice bullpen on Monday.
Speaker 3: He pretty aggressively pitched. I think he's going to start
Speaker 3: to move forward, maybe face some hitters in a couple
Speaker 3: of outings, could have another, I think aggressive bullpen when
Speaker 3: they in Arizona, probably go to SAFS. You know, see
Speaker 3: a couple of hitters then and then after that, who
Speaker 3: knows whether he goes on a rehab or not. But
Speaker 3: if he gets through that with his back and he's
Speaker 3: comfortable apparently through really well in his bullpen, then then
Speaker 3: I go back to like a two because I really
Speaker 3: believe in this starting rotation. When they're at full bore,
Speaker 3: it's really good. The Christopher Sanchez start was huge. They've
Speaker 3: got Taiwan Walker coming back to create some depth. I
Speaker 3: don't think he's a world beater, but he's a major
Speaker 3: league pitcher and he's starting to throw a little bit better.
Speaker 3: He's not quite ready. He had a rain out in
Speaker 3: his last rehab. So he's pitching I think tonight in
Speaker 3: Akron and so for the fighting phils and reading, and
Speaker 3: you know, I just gotta I just got to believe
Speaker 3: that if their health of their pitching staff is okay,
Speaker 3: then I dropped down to a pretty low number.
Speaker 4: Can I Can I say something I don't You know,
Speaker 4: Worry to me is different than being ticked off. I
Speaker 4: think you can be ticked off like a nine point
Speaker 4: nine at the way they're playing. You can be ticked
Speaker 4: off and hell's going on and tighten it up without
Speaker 4: being war because you know, I think if you observed
Speaker 4: the big picture and you know a little bit about
Speaker 4: the team, you think they're going to come out of it,
Speaker 4: that reduces your warry. But you want to play good
Speaker 4: every night, you want to have high standards. You can
Speaker 4: be pissed off and ticked off about the way they're playing.
Speaker 4: To me, that's different than worry. Does anybody agree?
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent. I think that I think
Speaker 2: everybody in that clubhouse has been frustrated. You know, they've
Speaker 2: said as much, but they've also said that they believe
Speaker 2: in the talent in the room, like you guys have
Speaker 2: been saying and they are not panicked about it. I
Speaker 2: talked a little bit yesterday with Dave den browskinting, and
Speaker 2: I said, how concerned are He's like, I'm not concerned
Speaker 2: at all. I think we're good. We're going to be fine.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: And Jim you mentioned it health to the rotation Rubin
Speaker 2: you talk just talked about He said, what do you
Speaker 2: think about it? We've lost three out of our top
Speaker 2: six starters right now, we're without Suarez, Walker, Turnbull. That's
Speaker 2: a big hit. But yeah, so I'm like at it too.
Speaker 2: I'm not concerned at all either. I think they're going
Speaker 2: to be fine. I think it's that it's not like
Speaker 2: these guys are, in my opinion, at the very end
Speaker 2: of their primes and you're going, uh oh, is this
Speaker 2: the downside? Are we seeing the downside in the second
Speaker 2: half of the twenty twenty All these guys are really
Speaker 2: in their primes. So I'm not for that reason, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 5: It's you mean they're not It's not like twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: That's this is not the twenty and twelve Phillies where
Speaker 2: you're going, uh oh, not yet, Yeah, not yet. No,
Speaker 2: I think I think they've got another couple of years
Speaker 2: to go, you know, theoretically before before they get to
Speaker 2: that point. But all right, so let's you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of questions. I'm just generally speaking because honestly, like
Speaker 2: half the questions we're about the backup catcher position. And
Speaker 2: it's to me, it's kind of uh. I think it's
Speaker 2: just kind of coming off that pinch it at bad
Speaker 2: or non pitch it at bad on Monday night. But
Speaker 2: do you have any thoughts on the backup catcher situation?
Speaker 2: A lot of people asking about Raphael Marshawn and Garrett
Speaker 2: Garrett Stubbs to me, to me, that's not even a
Speaker 2: big issue, I guess because it's a backup catcher. I
Speaker 2: think they've got a lot of other things they got
Speaker 2: to figure out. That those things get figured out, we're
Speaker 2: not talking about the backup catcher situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're focused on that, some other things must
Speaker 4: be going pretty well. You know, people are up in
Speaker 4: arms about not pinch hitting the other night, and Rob
Speaker 4: wanted to get JT a full day. You know, from
Speaker 4: covering this team for a long time and listening and
Speaker 4: trying to parse things and seeing how they handle certain things,
Speaker 4: you know. I don't know if that was a completely
Speaker 4: solo Rob Thompson's decision. I think when JT comes off
Speaker 4: the IL, that their medical team and their sports science
Speaker 4: team are involved, and then mapping out what the next
Speaker 4: month looks like on a surgically repaired knee for an
Speaker 4: important player, that day off might have been scripted two
Speaker 4: weeks ago, and there was no way he was not
Speaker 4: going to get it. And to pinch hit in that
Speaker 4: situation means if you tie the game, he's got to
Speaker 4: go out there and get behind the dish. And they
Speaker 4: wanted him to get a full day on that knee.
Speaker 4: And now maybe they're thinking was shaped by the big
Speaker 4: picture that you know, they have a good amount of
Speaker 4: wins and they're looking good in terms of the postseason picture.
Speaker 4: But I think there's a chance that that decision was
Speaker 4: I'm sure Rob Thompson's part of it, but even bigger
Speaker 4: than Rob, and in a way, he's following an organizational
Speaker 4: game plan. I don't know if you guys agree, Ruben,
Speaker 4: might you agree there?
Speaker 3: I sure do, there's no question about it. I don't
Speaker 3: think the comfort of him coming into games again this
Speaker 3: is in the and he's so important because if the
Speaker 3: backup catcher situation becomes important only if JT is not
Speaker 3: able to catch, you know, ninety percent of the games
Speaker 3: like it typically does, or eighty five percent of the games,
Speaker 3: and I think they're sort of easing him in. You'll
Speaker 3: we will find out a lot about how the Philadelphia
Speaker 3: Phillies feel about Marshawn when they expand the rosters in
Speaker 3: sum because on the days off, when JAT needs a
Speaker 3: day off, I got to believe that Marshall will be
Speaker 3: We'll be back there catching because I.
Speaker 5: Love this kid. I think this kid, at some point,
Speaker 5: if he.
Speaker 3: Gets his help together and his durability together, has a
Speaker 3: chance to be a number one catcher.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 3: It's a big if, but I love the way he receives,
Speaker 3: he calls an excellent game. He can swing the bat
Speaker 3: a little bit. He's gaining some confidence there from both sides.
Speaker 3: And you know, starting catchers who run can run a
Speaker 3: game and can receive and throw the way this kid
Speaker 3: can and be a switch hitter.
Speaker 5: That's a real plus. So we'll find out a lot
Speaker 5: about him in September.
Speaker 3: I think when he comes back up and I know
Speaker 3: they can't expand a lot, what is it what one
Speaker 3: or two players they can only bring. I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the maximum number of players they
Speaker 3: can bring after this expansion. They used to be unlimited.
Speaker 3: Now it's just a couple of two or three players.
Speaker 3: And so so it might be him and you know,
Speaker 3: say another pitcher. So I just think it's not that
Speaker 3: big of a deal. Uh. It's obvious that Garret Stubs
Speaker 3: is not a great offensive player, but I mean he's there.
Speaker 3: He's there for a couple of different reasons. One he's
Speaker 3: an important part of the team in that clubhouse, and
Speaker 3: two he's actually and more importantly, he's he does a
Speaker 3: pretty good job behind the plate, running and running a
Speaker 3: game and doing those sorts of things. So you'd rather
Speaker 3: have depth there and and listen, I get it. I
Speaker 3: think it would be a kind of a blow to
Speaker 3: the clubhouse in a lot of ways to beat flip
Speaker 3: flopping those guys. And I don't think it's all that
Speaker 3: important right now.
Speaker 2: Totally couldn't agree more. This is so. This one's from Keita.
Speaker 4: I believe the name is.
Speaker 2: I think I'm mispronouncing it. It's basically Rob Thompson, question
Speaker 2: about his style, says he's like Nero watching Rome Byrne.
Speaker 2: He needs to be honest with himself and make some changes.
Speaker 2: I don't care if the big money guys like it
Speaker 2: or not. She wants some rant and raven it sounds like,
Speaker 2: or some benchings or some lineup shuffles. And to me,
Speaker 2: that's just not who Rob Thompson is. And I think
Speaker 2: the guys in that clubhouse appreciated. I think the guys
Speaker 2: in that clubhouse are very good at policing themselves. And
Speaker 2: you know, Kyle Schwarber the other day in Seattle said,
Speaker 2: it's not like we're not working. We're in the cage
Speaker 2: every day taking hundreds and hundreds of swings for maybe
Speaker 2: four five swings all night. We're working our butts off,
Speaker 2: and I was, I'm reminded of something that Jeff frank
Speaker 2: Course said on the show in late June when he said,
Speaker 2: you know, this team has so many high price stars,
Speaker 2: but he's like, I'll give Bryce Harper three hundred thirty
Speaker 2: million because I know he cares and it kills him
Speaker 2: when he's not playing well. I know I'll give Trey
Speaker 2: Turner three in here million because I know it kills
Speaker 2: him when he's not playing well. You know, Kyle Schwarber
Speaker 2: eighty million, because I know it kills him when he's
Speaker 2: not playing well. And these guys, these guys care and
Speaker 2: they're can continue to work out of it. And I
Speaker 2: don't think Rob tom and ranting and raving or flipping
Speaker 2: over a spread or you know, chewing out the team
Speaker 2: in front of the dugout so all the TV cameras
Speaker 2: can catch it and you know they can play it
Speaker 2: on MLB Network or on NBC Sports Philadelphia. That's not
Speaker 2: his style and I don't think it would be effective
Speaker 2: in this clubhouse. So you know, keep calm, carry on.
Speaker 2: That's the Rob Thompson mantra, and it seems to be
Speaker 2: working quite well.
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Todd. He is the steady mariner
Speaker 4: who takes that vessel and steers it around the sea
Speaker 4: monsters and the tidal waves, and you come out on
Speaker 4: the other end surviving at all. And for him to
Speaker 4: start tipping over stuff would not be true to his personality.
Speaker 4: And guys see you right through that, and then you
Speaker 4: lose the clubhouse. So you need to be true to
Speaker 4: your person If it is your personality to throw around
Speaker 4: and tip over the spread and throw around furniture, then
Speaker 4: that's fine, but he needs to be true to his personality.
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean he can't call somebody behind closed doors
Speaker 4: and air him, because I think that is more his style,
Speaker 4: and I do think that happens. But you got to
Speaker 4: be true, You got to be steady. This is you know,
Speaker 4: it's not football where you're playing in what sixteen or
Speaker 4: eighteen games, you're banging your head against the locker. You're
Speaker 4: coming out and tearing somebody's head off. You have to
Speaker 4: maintain and I believe you need to play with energy
Speaker 4: and exuberance. I believe in an emotion in that way,
Speaker 4: but I don't think you come out and start smashing stuff.
Speaker 4: It's a different kind of emotion. It's a more even
Speaker 4: keeled emotion in this game. And I think your top managers,
Speaker 4: at least these days, maybe back in Gene marks Ea
Speaker 4: it was different, but at least in these days, you
Speaker 4: need to be You need to be steady. Do you
Speaker 4: think Bryce Harper, how do you think Bryce Harper is
Speaker 4: going to react if if Rob Thompson tips over the
Speaker 4: batracket in the dugout, do you think it's going to
Speaker 4: have any impact on him? Do you think any impact
Speaker 4: on schwarbur and Castiano's they're going to be like, what
Speaker 4: the hell is this? Be stay and be yourself, don't change.
Speaker 4: They've had a pretty good run here for for what
Speaker 4: two full years since he takes he's taken over. They're
Speaker 4: having a little blip here. Let's not let's not start
Speaker 4: having personality transplants become because of one blip.
Speaker 3: Totally agree with what you guys are saying, and you're
Speaker 3: right about the personality. I will tell you that he's
Speaker 3: was not happy when they were playing well poorly. Should
Speaker 3: was not happy and he should not be. But if
Speaker 3: you if you remember and think back to the guys
Speaker 3: who have the greatest amount of success as a manager,
Speaker 3: guys like Bobby Cox and Brian Snitker even and you know,
Speaker 3: you start thinking back about even a guy like Jim Fragosi,
Speaker 3: all of those and Charlie Manuel.
Speaker 5: I mean, the sky could be falling and they stay
Speaker 5: steady in the dugout.
Speaker 3: That does not mean at all that they're not that
Speaker 3: they're not emotional about how they're playing. They're pissed, Believe me,
Speaker 3: baseball men get pissed, but they also understand the importance
Speaker 3: of being level headed and steadying the ship and that's
Speaker 3: exactly you know. You don't have to agree with all
Speaker 3: the moves that Rob Thompson makes, and there's some questionable
Speaker 3: things that he's done in the playoffs and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: but I love the way he goes about it. He
Speaker 3: understands the psyche of the player. He knows over time,
Speaker 3: he's seen the changes that have occurred as far as
Speaker 3: when the pat guy's on the ass and when the
Speaker 3: you know beat on him a little bit. And the
Speaker 3: reality of it is I love the way he handles things.
Speaker 3: And it's a great combination of you know, understanding and
Speaker 3: yet still demanding because he's going to demand excellence from them.
Speaker 3: Believe me, if he sees people not working or doing
Speaker 3: their jobs, he's going to let him know and has
Speaker 3: but he'll do it behind closed doors when where the
Speaker 3: player will not be embarrassed. And then that way he
Speaker 3: doesn't lose the player. He needs that guy. He needs
Speaker 3: everybody to pull on the same side of the rope.
Speaker 3: And I think it does a heckup a job in
Speaker 3: that area if.
Speaker 4: The manager gets all nervous and fidgety and chewing his
Speaker 4: nails and fussing and feud and smashing stuff. He's the leader.
Speaker 4: Those guys feed off that negative energy, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden they gripping the bat handle tighter. It becomes defeatist.
Speaker 4: So be true to your personality. He is the you know,
Speaker 4: kind of the calm mariner taking this team through the
Speaker 4: seas and just continue being that.
Speaker 2: Anthony Fiore wants to know what is your favorite Phillies
Speaker 2: prank or joke you were a part of. So let's
Speaker 2: get off the serious baseball talk and see if you
Speaker 2: guys have any funny. Uh, well, we thanks involved in.
Speaker 4: We told the Will Vanable one early on in the podcast.
Speaker 4: I pumped when they signed. I'll tell it again real quick.
Speaker 4: They signed Will will Venable, And Todd says to me
Speaker 4: in the morning, Hey, you signed Will Venable. This is
Speaker 4: the spring training I go, yeah, it's wilven What I said,
Speaker 4: it's Will not Venable. It's so we're in spring training.
Speaker 4: It's like eight o'clock in the morning. The day goes by.
Speaker 4: We finally get uh with Pete mccannon late in the afternoon,
Speaker 4: and we had both forgotten about this. Uh and Todd
Speaker 4: says to Pete mccannon, what are your plans for an able?
Speaker 4: Pete mccannon goes what he goes. What are your plans
Speaker 4: for NBA? Venable Todd, I just couldn't know. I still
Speaker 4: laugh when I think about that, but I just like
Speaker 4: that's a good podcast. It's uh, it's one of my
Speaker 4: all time favorites, you know, when it comes from ballpark pranks.
Speaker 4: John Vukovich was way up there. I used to love
Speaker 4: when he took Chris Wheeler's briefcase and he put it
Speaker 4: out a shortstop during BP and guys were just trying
Speaker 4: to you often crush Wheelers briefcase. That was always a
Speaker 4: good one.
Speaker 3: I got one when I was a bat boy and
Speaker 3: it was not pretty. So when I was a bat
Speaker 3: boy back in the day, I think it was in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty one. It was either eighty one or eighty two,
Speaker 3: and Dick Ruthven was still on the staff. I think
Speaker 3: Mike Kruco was with the Phillies at that time. It
Speaker 3: was long time broadcaster with the Giants. Now great, both
Speaker 3: great guys. But I used to have a I used
Speaker 3: to leave my Coca Cola or my Diet Coke right
Speaker 3: by the balls because it used to get really, really hot.
Speaker 3: And back then, you know, we didn't know about hydration.
Speaker 3: We didn't know that, you know, Coca cola was not
Speaker 3: really hydrating yourself. Oh my god, it probably a diuretic. Anyway,
Speaker 3: those guys used to chew tobacco, and I left the
Speaker 3: lid off so when i'd come back, you know, and
Speaker 3: I finally one time, I go back and apparently they
Speaker 3: were like leaving tobacco juice into my thing, so I
Speaker 3: couldn't tell that it was a coke because it was dark.
Speaker 3: Apparently I was drinking some tobacco juice for you for
Speaker 3: about two weeks until I realized what the hell was
Speaker 3: going on that that was that was natter and then
Speaker 3: he they figured they finally saw me figure it out,
Speaker 3: laughing there, rear ends off.
Speaker 5: I'm a you sons, I can't believe doing that to me.
Speaker 2: It's just disgusting.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Hey, Tom, that's Gross's that was a gross That
Speaker 3: was disgusting.
Speaker 4: Did you ever hear the one about the young Phillies
Speaker 4: player gotta get gets off to a nice successful start
Speaker 4: and years ago and goes out and buys himself a
Speaker 4: a fire engine red Ford Explorer, And it's really proud
Speaker 4: of this Ford Explorer, and really proud that he's a
Speaker 4: big League or in a Philly and he goes to
Speaker 4: the DMV and gets a personalized license plate for this
Speaker 4: red Ford Explorer that says I or it says it
Speaker 4: says love l u V number two hit love to
Speaker 4: Hit on the personalized license plate. And then he goes
Speaker 4: in the tank and he's slumping, and he comes out
Speaker 4: one night somebody had taken a piece of athletic tape
Speaker 4: and under love to Hit, they had written, but can't
Speaker 4: I've never heard that might have been this young Philly Reuben.
Speaker 3: That would be me, you know, I was. I was
Speaker 3: a little cocky when I first got to the big
Speaker 3: leagues because I sort of had to deep myself into thinking, oh,
Speaker 3: it's much better player than I really was, uh and uh.
Speaker 5: To some of the some of the veterans didn't care
Speaker 5: for that too much.
Speaker 3: In ninety two and I actually had a very good
Speaker 3: start to the season. I was trying to be I
Speaker 3: was humble about the start. I was trying to be
Speaker 3: humble about that. But my license, I mean I did
Speaker 3: love to hit. I mean I worked at it a lot.
Speaker 3: But then I guess I think it was John Cruck
Speaker 3: who actually asked. I think it was maybe Phil Sheridan
Speaker 3: at the time, who was at the time was working
Speaker 3: as like a working.
Speaker 5: In the clubhouse.
Speaker 3: I think he told him to go put this thing
Speaker 3: on this tape underneath and say he loves to hit
Speaker 3: but he can't.
Speaker 4: I actually I actually asked Krucky if it was him,
Speaker 4: and he said it wasn't and he said check with Mitch.
Speaker 3: Oh, I could have been Mitchie Pou too. I will
Speaker 3: say this about I thought for a long time it
Speaker 3: was it was Crunky, But I will tell you this
Speaker 3: that John cruck did it really did me a solid
Speaker 3: years months later when I came back, I got sent
Speaker 3: down for a little bit and I came back and
Speaker 3: he actually grabbed me at my locker and had some
Speaker 3: real encouraging words for me. At the time, you know,
Speaker 3: that was the time of those guys in the you know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of the Broad Street bullies type type guys
Speaker 3: that they had a very very tough clubhouse and and staff,
Speaker 3: you know, some old school guys and was it was
Speaker 3: not the welcoming place for the rookies as it is
Speaker 3: in this day and age, especially with the with these Phillies,
Speaker 3: because they're great.
Speaker 5: But but yeah, John was really, really great.
Speaker 4: Memories.
Speaker 2: Funny, what about the time, Jim, you you pranked me
Speaker 2: over the phone and and told me that Jose Mesa
Speaker 2: punched you in the nose.
Speaker 3: That one.
Speaker 4: So this was today. I had a little we had
Speaker 4: a little battle. We got over it. It was nothing.
Speaker 4: It happens.
Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, you were very critical of him. You
Speaker 3: were very critical of him.
Speaker 4: No, I really was. Jose.
Speaker 3: Jose tended to be a little sensitive about about things
Speaker 3: when when things didn't go well for him. He actually
Speaker 3: Jose for a long time until Papavon rolled around. He was,
Speaker 3: you know what, the most saves And yeah, he was
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 4: I was on his side on this one because he
Speaker 4: had an option whose deal if he finished fifty five games,
Speaker 4: he would get five and a half million the next year.
Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, you guys started taking the
Speaker 4: ball from him. So you know, there was a little
Speaker 4: trying to keep that option from kicking in. And I
Speaker 4: think he was more frustrated at you guys Ruben upstairs
Speaker 4: than he was at me, and he kind of unloaded
Speaker 4: on me. But you know, it was no big deal.
Speaker 4: But anyway, we'd go to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Well, well, you guys had a little confrontation in the
Speaker 2: clubhouse in Affiliafter It's a Sunday night game against the Cordoninals.
Speaker 2: Mace's on the mound. He gets pulled. Now, Mace has
Speaker 2: not been in the clubhouse all season. Postgame, you can
Speaker 2: never find him. You can never find him. He's he's
Speaker 2: not in the clubhouse when the media is in there.
Speaker 2: This night, he gets pulled out of the game in
Speaker 2: the ninth inning. And who's sitting at.
Speaker 6: His dugout stroking his goatee cs So Jim, being the
Speaker 6: great reporter he is, he goes, huh, Jose is at
Speaker 6: his locker, maybe he wants to finally talk.
Speaker 2: And then you take it from there at Jim, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because he was after you.
Speaker 4: Had had a finish taken from him, which would maybe
Speaker 4: you know, helped him get to his options. So I
Speaker 4: just I asked him if he was talking, and he
Speaker 4: just kind of got very upset at me, and we
Speaker 4: got upset at each other, but it kind of went away. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and like but there was a little bit of a
Speaker 4: cold war for a while. And so like a week
Speaker 4: later we go to Pittsburgh and it was a Friday
Speaker 4: Saturday Sunday series Friday night and for some reason you
Speaker 4: couldn't get to the Friday night game. So I covered
Speaker 4: the Friday night game and I think you were driving
Speaker 4: over to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I was, And you drive over to Pittsburgh and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, it was after the game and I'm upstairs
Speaker 4: typing the story and my phone rings and I pick
Speaker 4: it up and you and you're like, hey, I'm pulling
Speaker 4: into Pittsburgh. How did everything go tonight? And I kind
Speaker 4: of like pinch my nose and I go, you st
Speaker 4: have a gun. Don't you ever take another day off?
Speaker 4: Like what's the matter? He goes, I go, Mason drilled
Speaker 4: me right in them. No, my nose was broken. I'm
Speaker 4: bleeding all over my keyboard. He's like, you're gonna go
Speaker 4: to the hospital what have you? And I'm like, no, man,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna finish my story. I'm a gamer that is
Speaker 4: all panic that jose Mesa has broken my nose, which
Speaker 4: obviously it was a joke. And uh, finally I let
Speaker 4: him in another game. I'm like, I'm just kidd and
Speaker 4: I'll see you back to the hotel.
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent to believe it, because they were
Speaker 2: getting at it now. They didn't really get at it.
Speaker 2: But it was they were kind of nose to nose
Speaker 2: in in Philly at the Vet in the clubhouse at
Speaker 2: the Vet No. Three that that night, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I got Jim punched out by Jose
Speaker 2: Masa in the clubhouse at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6: That was.
Speaker 4: But we actually when Jose he left and then he
Speaker 4: came back, you guys brought him back. Uh. Yeah, he
Speaker 4: got his I want to say, one thousandth appearance once.
Speaker 4: I think it was his one thousandth major league appearance
Speaker 4: and Phillies, you know, and I wrote a story about it,
Speaker 4: and uh, he was really grateful to that that milestone
Speaker 4: was recognized, and uh, you know, we we man hugged
Speaker 4: and it was really great. He was a really good guy.
Speaker 4: I like.
Speaker 3: I like Jose lots I got a chance to We
Speaker 3: called him show Table. Uh the Table was a great
Speaker 3: teammate man. I played with him in Cleveland and uh
Speaker 3: just enjoyed having having to be around. When when Ed
Speaker 3: acquired him, I think it acquired him from the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 3: That christ there's a lot of questions about, you know, wow,
Speaker 3: is this guy done or is he not done? But
Speaker 3: I think you know, the scouting people. Did a nice job.
Speaker 3: He actually did a really good job for us for
Speaker 3: a long time, and in a tough city that is
Speaker 3: not very forgiving.
Speaker 5: And uh. And you know, I have a lot of respect.
Speaker 3: For Joe because he did a nice job for the
Speaker 3: Phillies and for the longest, for a long time he
Speaker 3: was he was racking up a lot of saves. It
Speaker 3: wasn't always super clean, but you know, other than Mo,
Speaker 3: who's super clean, I had a lot, not too many
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 4: I had a lot of respect for him too. He
Speaker 4: do you remember what his warm up music was, you guys,
Speaker 4: I do Do you remember it was?
Speaker 2: Was it it Brian Adams?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was Brian Adams.
Speaker 4: Summer of sixty nine because him and his brother, the
Speaker 4: story goes.
Speaker 3: His twin brother, right, it was.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's twin, but him and his
Speaker 4: brother signed with the Blue Jays originally, and they didn't
Speaker 4: speak any English, and they came to the States or wherever,
Speaker 4: and they bought that cassette tape of Brian Adams and
Speaker 4: they played it over and over and I helped him
Speaker 4: kind of learn English. So I thought it was really
Speaker 4: neat right, And he ended up playing that song as
Speaker 4: his warm up music.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very cool. I do remember him doing that.
Speaker 2: I do remember that warm up song. Yeah, obviously sticks
Speaker 2: and it sticks in my mind. This one is from
Speaker 2: Xander H Xander Bogerts Xander bogert See thanks for thanks
Speaker 2: for listening to The Philly Show. Xander Bill Guards. Uh
Speaker 2: do you guys have a favorite ballpark snack or food?
Speaker 2: Could be at at Citizens Bank Park or on the road.
Speaker 4: You know, it depends where I am. I've always loved, uh,
Speaker 4: the in San Francisco, the clam chowder and the bread
Speaker 4: bro bread ball. I love that. I've always loved the
Speaker 4: Burger at City Field. They have a really good burger
Speaker 4: right box with those Nathan's fries. That's pretty good, man.
Speaker 4: I remember getting some really good fish tacos at Dodger
Speaker 4: Stadium and looking over and Matt Breen was eating like
Speaker 4: a beet salad.
Speaker 3: Well, man, he's he's you know, takes care of his
Speaker 3: body a little bit better. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 3: the garlic fries in San Francisco. They're spectacular, man, and
Speaker 3: there those will give you breath forever. You've not kissed
Speaker 3: your wife for eleven day oh no, but it's well
Speaker 3: worth it.
Speaker 5: It's well worth it.
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of other foods, you know, every single
Speaker 3: day when we come riding up that elevator to go
Speaker 3: to the press box it Citizens Bank Park, and you
Speaker 3: smell the burgers in there or shake Shack burgers. I
Speaker 3: don't know how the attendants inside that elevator handle it,
Speaker 3: because they can rolling through here. Man, the shake Shack
Speaker 3: burgers that smell is pretty fantastic.
Speaker 4: It's funny when when the ballpark, the new ballpark opened
Speaker 4: in San Francisco twenty years ago. I was out there
Speaker 4: the first I guess the Phillies were out there the
Speaker 4: first year it opened. And sitting in that front row
Speaker 4: tod in the press box, you know, and there's two
Speaker 4: old there's two old time scouts sitting up behind me
Speaker 4: in that third row. And I hear them talking and
Speaker 4: he's like, one of the guys goes, you know, he
Speaker 4: used to go to Candlestick Park and all you smelled
Speaker 4: was marijuana. You come here and all you smell is garlic.
Speaker 4: That is great.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: For me, I would say, at Citizens Bank.
Speaker 2: Park, the Federal Donuts chicken sandwich to me is yeah,
Speaker 2: I love the Federal Donuts chicken sandwich. That's I'm a
Speaker 2: big Federal Donuts guy. You can get the donuts there,
Speaker 2: chicken sandwich. And then on the road, Man, there's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of good foodball parks. At City Field, they
Speaker 2: had that Pat Lafrida's steak sandwich. That's really good. They
Speaker 2: have Mamas of Corona like the hogi that they sell. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right down the street from from City Field. Uh,
Speaker 2: that that is great. A lot of I mean, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of great stuff. How about the just the
Speaker 2: for me being a Milwaukee guy, the brats and the
Speaker 2: Polar sausages.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, really good.
Speaker 2: Really yeah. An American family field, those are tremendous.
Speaker 3: Speaking of dogs, how about the about the Dodger dog.
Speaker 3: The dogs outstanding. And I will say that Dave Nebowski
Speaker 3: yesterday was you know, they have pretty good spread there
Speaker 3: in l A.
Speaker 5: But he said, hey, man, gotta have a Dodger dog.
Speaker 3: We're here and we're here in LA So he fired
Speaker 3: one down, had it all doctored up nicely.
Speaker 5: But they're really terrific.
Speaker 4: Well, you've got to put a lot of sludge on
Speaker 4: that thing. Whatever they got, you throw it on there.
Speaker 3: You're you're big on that.
Speaker 2: I know that, so Brett Brett Mathis wants to know.
Speaker 2: I asked a couple of questions, is it a World
Speaker 2: Series or bust type of season? But I thought this
Speaker 2: one might be interesting as well. What's your favorite what's
Speaker 2: everyone's favorite part about their job? It's kind of a
Speaker 2: big question.
Speaker 4: Oh ahead, why don't you lead it off? Todd?
Speaker 3: Favorite part of the job?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: For me, of course, it's being being in the ballpark,
Speaker 2: you know, seeing something new every night and all that.
Speaker 2: But I think a cool part of the job, Jim,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know if you feel
Speaker 2: this way. I don't think it's cheesy or corner or not.
Speaker 2: But I always think it's kind of cool coming to
Speaker 2: the ballpark every day, getting the ballpark at two thirty
Speaker 2: in the afternoon. Some guys are on the field taking
Speaker 2: early hitting the game day employees are kind of getting
Speaker 2: the concessions going there. It's there's this kind of this
Speaker 2: building buzz, there's this building energy, and then of course
Speaker 2: the ballpark the gates open, right, but you're you're at
Speaker 2: the ballpark three four, five hours before first pitch, and
Speaker 2: you don't really know what's going to happen today, and
Speaker 2: you kind of you kind of you feel something right,
Speaker 2: and then you do all the game work. You go downstairs,
Speaker 2: you write your story, good or bad, win or lose
Speaker 2: or whatever, and then I it's it's also very cool
Speaker 2: leaving the ballpark at night. Now it's completely dead, silent.
Speaker 2: I always remember. And why I think of that is
Speaker 2: I remember the night Cole hambles through his no hitter
Speaker 2: at Wrigley Field twenty fifteen, last start with the Phillies,
Speaker 2: crazy game, super fun game, ballpark is electric. Finished my story,
Speaker 2: and I took the long walk out jim on the
Speaker 2: on the top there toward the end where the elevators are,
Speaker 2: and I just looked out and Wrigley Field is completely dark.
Speaker 2: It's dark outside, just lights shining feel, lights shining the field. Like, man,
Speaker 2: this is pretty cool. This place is wild about three,
Speaker 2: you know, two hours ago and now it's completely peaceful,
Speaker 2: and it's just it was a gorgeous feel, and it's like,
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 3: Kind of a cool job.
Speaker 2: This is kind of a cool job, so that that
Speaker 2: might be one for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jimmy, how about you.
Speaker 4: I know exactly what you're saying about getting to the
Speaker 4: ballpark early. There's that serenity. It's quiet, yep, and you
Speaker 4: can actually get some work done, do your prep. And
Speaker 4: then people start filling up. Now, players start coming out
Speaker 4: for you know, they come out and their flip flops
Speaker 4: to you know, just get the field, maybe do a
Speaker 4: little stretching, and all of a sudden, the ballpark fills up.
Speaker 4: It's alive, and then it's quiet again.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: My favorite just being around baseball. I've loved it ever
Speaker 4: my whole life. And just being able to be around
Speaker 4: the ballpark. You know, honestly, I remember, you know, pulling
Speaker 4: up to any ballpark and when I see the light towers,
Speaker 4: I get excited and and you know, just being one
Speaker 4: of the lures beside love and baseball, one of the
Speaker 4: lures that grabbed me into this profession was I enjoy storytelling.
Speaker 4: I enjoy reading a great story. I enjoy telling a
Speaker 4: great story. I wanted to do that, and just being
Speaker 4: able to tell a great story and feel like you
Speaker 4: did it well is my favorite part of the job
Speaker 4: and the best part of the job. Telling a story
Speaker 4: about the player as a human being or the club
Speaker 4: executive as a human being. What makes that human being
Speaker 4: tick because you know, they're all human beings. The player
Speaker 4: is just part of the human being. And that's always
Speaker 4: been very satisfying for me.
Speaker 3: Well. I mean, as most people know, I grew up
Speaker 3: in baseball as my father. But I think back my
Speaker 3: favorite parts of, you know, being involved in baseball, not
Speaker 3: just being a Major League Baseball player. But I remember
Speaker 3: when I was a GM, I would park underneath. I
Speaker 3: would walk up to the concourse level and before anything
Speaker 3: was going on. It was sake eight thirty or nine
Speaker 3: in the morning, and you know, they're cleaning up from
Speaker 3: the night before, and I would just grab a seat
Speaker 3: right there, probably usually around the first baseline, and grab
Speaker 3: a seat in the stadium in the ballpark it says
Speaker 3: as a Bank park. When I was a GM, and
Speaker 3: I would sit there and think to myself, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: how crazy is it? Did I get to run this
Speaker 3: organization's baseball department? And I never took that for granted.
Speaker 3: I did that almost every day when we were at home.
Speaker 3: I would sit there and just you know, suck it
Speaker 3: all in.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: It was very gratify. It makes me emotional. One of
Speaker 3: the other my favorite things to do was to watch
Speaker 3: the fanatic do his thing before the pre in the
Speaker 3: pre game, I mean I did it. I watched it
Speaker 3: as a kid. I watched it. I mean, I you know,
Speaker 3: it's been going on for years. It's spectacular.
Speaker 5: I think about that as a moment for.
Speaker 3: Me, and I will also say you working and being
Speaker 3: back with the Phillies in this role as a broadcaster, analyst,
Speaker 3: et cetera. For me to be it's almost like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm living the really truly live in the dream because
Speaker 3: I get to I get to talk about my favorite
Speaker 3: sport and my favorite team that I was so involved
Speaker 3: in and messed with, and I get to be around
Speaker 3: the people that I that were my colleagues. I get
Speaker 3: to work with you guys. I get to be around
Speaker 3: the people that I've really enjoyed and grown up to
Speaker 3: and grown to know. And then I get to play
Speaker 3: golf because I don't have to worry about as many
Speaker 3: as much about the wins and losses, and I could
Speaker 3: just try to just try to enjoy the game and
Speaker 3: the people that are involved in it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's a great place to end. That was fun
Speaker 2: and thanks for Thanks to everybody that send in these questions.
Speaker 2: We had a bunch more, but we can't have the
Speaker 2: show go three hours. I think that would be a
Speaker 2: little bit next time, Yeah, next time. Yeah, but we'll we'll,
Speaker 2: we'll try to do more of these. I think people
Speaker 2: enjoy that. And Phillies Dodgers Tonight, Phillies can win their
Speaker 2: first series since they swept the Dodgers last month. So
Speaker 2: let's see what happens.
Speaker 3: Tyler Phillips bounce, step forward, Bounce bound.
Speaker 2: Tyler, bounce back Bay Games. All right, we'll be back
Speaker 2: later this week. Thanks guys, smell.
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