WEBVTT - Halloween Show

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.

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<v Speaker 2>Live from San Francisco. I'm a sports byline broadcasting network.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with your hosts,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Alvarez and Mike semper Vv.

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<v Speaker 3>Right you ready, You're ready, Let's get it off.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going everybody? Brian Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>We are here every day Monday through Friday, New Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>three Eastern Sunday three Pacific sixth Eastern Saturday Mornings with

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Valley, Tenday and Pacific one Eastern Sundays with andrews Arian.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's Halloween on this show Thursday. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>means simper vv better have his costume when we come

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<v Speaker 1>back from the break. We got a lot of news

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about here today, and not only that, but we

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<v Speaker 1>have a special guest which I'll tell you about.

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<v Speaker 2>Here in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But yesterday was fright Night Dynamite, so we can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about that here today on the show, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as all of the shows we got coming up this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>What is with this hair everywhere? Driving me nuts doing

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<v Speaker 1>my best here. We got SmackDown coming up on Friday night.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Crown Jewel is coming up on Saturday, so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll give you the full line up for that show.

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<v Speaker 1>And there is an injury. We actually had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of injuries to talk about, aw ANDWE injuries, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get into those after the break, Plus an update

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<v Speaker 1>on the WWEID deals. There are half dozen slightly more

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<v Speaker 1>wrestlers currently under ID deals, and we're gonna tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what the situation is if somebody gets an offer from

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else, So that'll be after the break. Then the

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<v Speaker 1>injury update, and then the rest of the news including

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<v Speaker 1>NXT ratings and a former WWE wrestler has retired, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Dynamite report. We'll talk about Dynamite as well. Final

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<v Speaker 1>second of the show, our old friend Ario Winner is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be on the program. Theten a new book, forty

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<v Speaker 1>This is gonna be a long series of books back

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so disgusted right now, why's that you saw

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<v Speaker 1>a mirror show show, Mike, Look at this. You had

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<v Speaker 1>one job, one job? How's to find a costume? Couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even do it? You don't have a sheet. Could you

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<v Speaker 1>put a sheet over your head or something?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, because that's what I want. The chat saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 10>look he's dressed like a Klansman or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not a Clansman outfit, but like, get a sheet

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<v Speaker 1>and put some holes in it. Fries like you're a ghost.

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<v Speaker 1>You soon as you don't have a Luca mask.

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<v Speaker 10>I was looking for one, actually, and I thought I

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<v Speaker 10>knew where they were in No, like a mysterio mask

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<v Speaker 10>and a mask somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And here, I'm gonna make you a deal. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give you a five minute break from the show to

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<v Speaker 1>see if you can find a Luca mask. I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the first bit of news here, which you

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<v Speaker 1>ain't gonna care about anyway. Alright, just a bunch of injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>You go find a mask. The chat is so disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, goll Lee Dom's got a costume on. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a radio producer, right.

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<v Speaker 11>Tom, You're damn right, And I have a Plinko shirt

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<v Speaker 11>on pretending to be a price is Right contestant today.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, Wow, a Plinko shirt. I've gotta, I've gotta. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a Shahalas Flying Saucer party shirt.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually my workout shirt. Alright. Well, while, uh, while this

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<v Speaker 1>guy is trying to find a mask, should probably be

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<v Speaker 1>wearing every day.

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<v Speaker 6>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>First, a bunch of injuries to talk about here. Former

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<v Speaker 1>former aw tag team champion Nick Jackson has been working

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<v Speaker 1>with a separated shoulder has been bothering him for weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>News comes from Brian Albert. Hey, that's me. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>did report that. I don't know, I don't know when

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<v Speaker 1>he got hurt, but apparently it's been a while. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys saw the tag match with Private Party

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<v Speaker 1>at the pay per view, and then the tag match

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<v Speaker 1>they had last night, which was absolutely last night was

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<v Speaker 1>like even better than the pay per view, and the

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<v Speaker 1>pay per view match was great. He did that entire

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<v Speaker 1>match with a separated shoulder. And if you've ever had

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<v Speaker 1>a separated shoulder, I mean you can work through it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean can't even lift his I think he

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<v Speaker 1>obviously can lift his arm, but can't lift weights anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So yeah, he did both of those matches

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<v Speaker 1>with a separated shoulder, so there's that. And then also

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<v Speaker 1>Dave reported last night Bandido is healed. He actually injured

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<v Speaker 1>his wrist in June of twenty twenty three. It is

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<v Speaker 1>currently basically November of twenty twenty four, so he's been

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<v Speaker 1>gone like seventeen months with his broken wrist because apparently

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<v Speaker 1>they gave him surgery, it did not heal properly. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a second surgery and is now finally able to return,

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<v Speaker 1>so he should be back at some point here. But

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<v Speaker 1>that is the update on Bandido and Rear. And keep

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<v Speaker 1>in mind, by the way, keep in mind Adam Cole

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<v Speaker 1>completely shattered and destroyed his ankle. They had to put

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<v Speaker 1>like a cadaver, you know, they not a full cadaver obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had to do a lot of They had

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<v Speaker 1>to do a very very intense too surgeries. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it was multiple surgeries and he was only had a

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<v Speaker 1>little more in a year. So yeah, eighteen months out

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<v Speaker 1>with a wrist injury for Bandido, and then this rear

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<v Speaker 1>Ripley will be out for an undisclosed amount of time.

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<v Speaker 1>They did an angle on NXT where she showed up

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<v Speaker 1>because she's friends with Zaria, and I believe she even

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<v Speaker 1>said that she knew Zaria's dad. And this, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is a slow build to Zaria going to the main

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<v Speaker 1>roster to eventually feud with Rehea Ripley. So kind of

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<v Speaker 1>planning some seeds right now, that's the long term, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she was there wishing all the baby faces luck.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they cut outside a little later and there's

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<v Speaker 1>Live Morgan and Raquel. They're walking off the set with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, baseball bats or whatever, and they zoom in

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Rhea Ripley covered in blood. Yes they're doing bloody,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure was fake Halloween blood, but she's all

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<v Speaker 1>bloody and laid out and dead. And apparently she suffered

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<v Speaker 1>a broken or I guess fractured orbital bone, and this

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<v Speaker 1>was the angle to write her off for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>So she actually, I mean she did a storyline a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. I mean she did the appearance earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>the show, so I mean you can't really see it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, I cracked my arbital bone in it sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's out of action for a while, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was a storyline injury to put her out of action,

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<v Speaker 1>So when she'll be back, I don't know, maybe able

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<v Speaker 1>to wrestle with one of those face masks on. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we shall see. And speaking of liv Morgan has

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<v Speaker 1>signed a new five year deal with WWE. She wants

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<v Speaker 1>to stay with WWE as long as the company will

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<v Speaker 1>have her. She was on Logan Paul's podcast and talked

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<v Speaker 1>about a lot of things, including signing a new five

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<v Speaker 1>year deal. My five year plan is WWE, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my five year plan. So she has re signed,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently elsewhere in that interview, she talked about I

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<v Speaker 1>forget why she was arrested, but it was I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>six eight months ago, maybe a year ago or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said that when she took the mugshot, the

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<v Speaker 1>officer taking the mugshot said, this mugshot is going to

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<v Speaker 1>go viral. It's one of the best I've ever taken,

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<v Speaker 1>or something to that effect. So talked about that on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast as well. Then we've got a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>notes on WWEID which every time I bring this up,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody comes out of the woodwork. But thankfully I've begun

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<v Speaker 1>just blocking people on the twitch chat to thus not

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<v Speaker 1>to be distracted by rampant stupidity. But as noted yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably around eight was what I was told. Around

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<v Speaker 1>eight people are already under WWEID deals, and this has

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<v Speaker 1>been in place for several months now, the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>this program, and everybody's asking like, well, what happens with this,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens with that? So essentially the guides with WWE

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<v Speaker 1>ID deals at this point are free agents, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they're able to wrestle where they want, they can do jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>They're free agents. But the situation is, if for example,

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<v Speaker 1>AW comes knocking or TNA or whoever, if they get

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<v Speaker 1>an offer from another company because they are under ID deals,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to report this to WWE. And at that

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<v Speaker 1>point WWE can either say, all right, we're offering you

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<v Speaker 1>a full time developmental deal you're moving to Florida or

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<v Speaker 1>eventually Vegas, or they can say you're free to negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>with these other companies and sign there. So essentially this

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<v Speaker 1>ID deal, you know, the wrestlers get a small amount

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<v Speaker 1>of money to uh work on their their appearance and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But also they w W has right of first refusal

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<v Speaker 1>for contract offers. But they are free agents other than

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<v Speaker 1>the I D designation they can wrestle wherever they want.

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<v Speaker 1>They can do jobs, but contract offers have to be

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<v Speaker 1>uh brought up with the w W E and hey,

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<v Speaker 1>who's here doing jobs?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, finally, are you don't tell me? What's his name?

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<v Speaker 2>Dang it?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that guy's name in w CW that had the

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<v Speaker 1>mask with the goggles on it? Who was that? No,

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<v Speaker 1>not Clo.

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<v Speaker 2>Who had the goggles?

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<v Speaker 1>Who are you? Are you hooving tude Mysterio? It's an

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<v Speaker 1>old Ray Mysterio mask. Yes, Raysteria has more masks than

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<v Speaker 1>mill Maskris, whose literal gimmick is man of a thousand masks.

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<v Speaker 10>Ray's got a million.

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<v Speaker 1>Much better, Mike, that's much better.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and you know you made some money by not

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<v Speaker 1>having to work for ten minutes here.

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<v Speaker 10>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>You missed a lot of very exciting news about injuries

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<v Speaker 1>and such.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh no, I don't want to hear anything more about injuries.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we come back, you're gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about the super Coolo.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, I thought you were super Kello.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh man, what happened to him? I don't know, But

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<v Speaker 10>did super Kolo? No he didn't. Who was the one

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<v Speaker 10>who was Silver King right, who won the uh who

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<v Speaker 10>won the on a pole match and then stole Lex

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<v Speaker 10>Luger's cap.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that might have been Silver King. All right

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<v Speaker 1>back in a moment, we'll do Dynamite and then we

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<v Speaker 1>have a special guest.

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<v Speaker 11>Observer Live Got the Magic King, got the Magic Baby

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<v Speaker 11>from the Ghost snap.

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<v Speaker 12>Awsome dressed up magic magic magic magic magic magic.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoever's doing the tweets today, we have a shot at

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<v Speaker 1>me and Mike. I need a new one put up

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter. There we go.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh that's a new mask. Now you're mystico. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 10>you know what, I have an announcement to make. I

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<v Speaker 10>don't know if people have heard this or not have

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<v Speaker 10>seen this or not, but I am the NWA Historic

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<v Speaker 10>Middleweight Champions I now.

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<v Speaker 1>You vacated that exactly, and That's what.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm going to do right now. I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 10>this belt and dump it in this trash can. Oh

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<v Speaker 10>right there, horrible, horrible. I'm ready for more action in

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<v Speaker 10>MLW and New Japan Pro wrestling.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Rose made a great comment, which is it right now?

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<v Speaker 1>It's Ricky Morton and Mystico, which is an incredible tag team.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, Ray Mysterio, But I guess that was in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the last Either way, that would be an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible tag team.

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<v Speaker 10>I see right now, see it was? It was before

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<v Speaker 10>it was Ray Mysterio and Bobby Eaton. Now it's Mystico

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<v Speaker 10>and uh Bobby Eaton.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's kind of what I don't know about Bobby Eaton.

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<v Speaker 1>This This is definitely more Ricky Morton, I think. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to talk about some highlights from the UH

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<v Speaker 1>from the Dynamite show. Let's start with the UH. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with the best thing on the show, which was

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<v Speaker 1>Young Bucks versus Private Party tag team titles Private Party

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<v Speaker 1>must split up forever if they don't win. And my god,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of Ricky Morton, you know it's gonna seem like

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<v Speaker 1>an Odalian, but I must put myself over myself and

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<v Speaker 1>filthy Tom wrestled the Rock and Roll Express. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>we wrestled the Rock and Roll Express Ricky and Robert

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<v Speaker 1>and granted we didn't win, but for fifteen minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>that black Label pro show, we turned it back the clock.

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<v Speaker 1>And I bring it up because I watched this match

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<v Speaker 1>and listen, I was there and Wrestle Dream. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>was there in the crowd. I watched the Young Bucks

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<v Speaker 1>versus Private Party at Wrestle Dream and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a really good match. But when it

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<v Speaker 1>was over, it was like, yeah, it was a really

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<v Speaker 1>good match, But was it like an all timer, like

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<v Speaker 1>an all time great Young Bucks?

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<v Speaker 6>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was just like it was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I gave it four stars or something. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like good, It was like really good, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was just something about it. Then it kept it from

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<v Speaker 1>that level. It was a I don't know what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>My god, this match last night, Oh my god. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought this was way better than the pay per view match.

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<v Speaker 1>And granted, it's funny because like there were sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred people seven thousand somewhere around that in the Tacoma Dome,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, they were cheering and everything, but it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like a barn Burger. They had thirty two hundred people,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in the show last night, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>good crowd for a Dynamite and these people were just

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<v Speaker 1>going nuts during this match, and they just had incredible

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<v Speaker 1>heat from about five minutes in and they're doing all

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<v Speaker 1>of these crazy spots. Everybody looks great. It's probably the

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<v Speaker 1>best match Private Parties ever had in their lives. And

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<v Speaker 1>they finally win the titles and the place just fricking

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<v Speaker 1>exploded and it was like, for twenty minutes, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen all over again, Like this was twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Aw stuff right here. Just an incredible match. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody look great, crowd's going haywire. It was awesome, absolutely awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the Bucks give the belts to a Private

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<v Speaker 1>Party and they leave, and then they pack their bags

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<v Speaker 1>and they leave the building and Chris Daniels is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to stop them, and they're like, nop, this place is

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<v Speaker 1>pure chaos. We came back and want to try to

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<v Speaker 1>make this place. Nobody wanted to listen to us. We're

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<v Speaker 1>out of here. We're working from home, so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know they could be back in a week, but I

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<v Speaker 1>watched this thing and it was like they're gone for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. And it's kind of interesting because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>they're two different universes in aw there's like this John

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<v Speaker 1>Moxley universe where he's trying to take over the company

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<v Speaker 1>and like all these babyfaces are just getting murdered every week.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's like the other half of aw where

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<v Speaker 1>like none of this even exists, like Swerves there, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's dealing with the hurt business and this and that,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Young Bucks are kind of right in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want to be involved, but like they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>at least acknowledging that this is going on. And I

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<v Speaker 1>watched it and I thought, Okay, well, they're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>home for a while, and then the day's gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>where they return to try to save AW as Babyfaces.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is there's another universe where they've got

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<v Speaker 1>an issue with Kenny Omega, who's gonna be coming back soon,

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<v Speaker 1>and he ain't coming back as a heel. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure what's going to happen in terms of what

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<v Speaker 1>the Young Bucks are going to be doing when they

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<v Speaker 1>come back. Are they coming back to feud as heels

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<v Speaker 1>with Omega or are they gonna come back and reunite

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<v Speaker 1>and like be conquering Babyfaces. I have no idea, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're gone for a while. But that was

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<v Speaker 1>the best thing on the show by miles.

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<v Speaker 10>Easily, easily, And even if you didn't like the post

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<v Speaker 10>match stuff when it came to the deal afterwards when

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<v Speaker 10>they left, that's fine, but it was by far the

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<v Speaker 10>best thing on the show, right It was probably the

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<v Speaker 10>best private party match that they've had since the last

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<v Speaker 10>time they faced the Young Bucks, or really back in

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<v Speaker 10>twenty nineteen when they debuted and nationally, you know, came

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<v Speaker 10>on the scene against the Young Bucks. I and for

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<v Speaker 10>Matt Jackson to have a separated shoulder and granted the

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<v Speaker 10>different Lord Nick Jackson to have a separated shoulder. Again. Granted,

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<v Speaker 10>there's different severities to this, and I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 10>too bad, but the fact that he's been working like

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<v Speaker 10>that and the match was that good and you really

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<v Speaker 10>wouldn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Both matches, the pay per view match as well.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so hopefully he didn't make it any worse. It's

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<v Speaker 10>something that he's probably gonna be out a couple of

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<v Speaker 10>weeks for. That's one of the reasons I'm sure they're

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<v Speaker 10>kind of stepping away right now. But you're right, it's

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<v Speaker 10>gonna be interesting to see how all of these worlds

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<v Speaker 10>collide together and then move the entire project of product forward,

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<v Speaker 10>because we are going to need to have some sort

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<v Speaker 10>of tie in here at some point, because once Orange

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<v Speaker 10>Cassidy is out of the way, sure we have Moxley

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<v Speaker 10>and Darby Allen, but what about the rest of that

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<v Speaker 10>group and how it fits into everything else. At some point,

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<v Speaker 10>you figure they're going to have to come across the

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<v Speaker 10>hurt business, and that's going to be interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing with I don't know exactly how bad his

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<v Speaker 1>separated shoulder is, but when I separated both of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>and when I separated the one that was the worst,

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<v Speaker 1>like I couldn't even lift the bar, Like I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>bench the bar, which is forty five pounds. Not one time.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't mention it one time. It hurts so bad,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I could do normal things in life. And

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<v Speaker 1>I believe because I remember because at the pay per

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<v Speaker 1>view Matt, Matt got pinned, okay, and I had somebody

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<v Speaker 1>ask me. They were like, does Nick ever do jobs?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's always Matt, And I had noticed that Matt

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<v Speaker 1>was usually the guy that did jobs, but I knew

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<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't the only one because I remembered there

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<v Speaker 1>was a time when Nick got pined and I remembered

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<v Speaker 1>it because it was unusual. Okay, so you know, Matt

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<v Speaker 1>did the job in the in the pay per view match,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was asking around, you know, like someone's asking

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<v Speaker 1>me this question, like how come? And as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick was supposed to do the job in the pay

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<v Speaker 1>per view match, but the finish they had he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>lift the guy because of his shoulder, and so Matt

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<v Speaker 1>ended up doing it and he ended up getting pinned.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you watch last night, Nick did his job.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, there's there's no conspiracy. Nick does do jobs

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<v Speaker 1>for the Young Bucks, but for whatever reason, I think

0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Matt really likes doing jobs for some reason.

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<v Speaker 10>And you know what's gonna be interesting too, is what

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<v Speaker 10>role will Jack Perry play as things going along? Because

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<v Speaker 10>it seems to me that absolutely you get omeg it

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<v Speaker 10>back together with the Bucks and you have a force

0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 10>that's gonna try to fight back against this group. Obviously

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 10>you would have a Boushey tied into that, and you

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<v Speaker 10>have Okada there who everybody wants to cheer anyway, But

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<v Speaker 10>when he comes to Jack Perry, would he be a

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<v Speaker 10>part of that or is he more served maybe being

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<v Speaker 10>towards Moxley or a line closer to Moxley, or as

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<v Speaker 10>a loaner. What about Hangman Page as well too. That's

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.439
<v Speaker 10>gonna be interesting to see how they might fit in

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 10>a mix where once Omega comes back.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the main event was Shelton Benjamin and Swerve.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've listened to interviews with Swerve, I mean

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the guy loves Shelton Benjamin. And if you have not

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<v Speaker 1>listened to interviews with Swerve, all you have to do

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:33.360
<v Speaker 1>is watch this match to realize he loves Shelton Benjamin.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Shelton took like ninety five percent of this match.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Swerve just sold and sold and sold, and

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Shelton looked great. He's just thrown this dude around. This

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<v Speaker 1>is like one of the best working forty nine year

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:49.440
<v Speaker 1>olds you'll ever see. You never know he was forty

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>nine years old if you showed some rando this match.

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<v Speaker 1>And Swerve did eventually win with the Swerve stomp, and

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<v Speaker 1>then yes, Bobby Lashley debuted, I got a big pop,

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<v Speaker 1>came down to the ring, and the hurt business murdered

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 1>poor Prince Nana and Swerve and I presume this was

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 1>literally the exact angle. I can't say for sure, but

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:16.920
<v Speaker 1>this is my presumption. I presume this was the exact

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.400
<v Speaker 1>thing they were gonna do in Tacoma, because they were

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<v Speaker 1>We should We're gonna kill Swerve also in Tacoma, And

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Simperviv also Wrestling Observer dot Com. Very happy today

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<v Speaker 1>to be joined by our old friend Mario Whittner. We

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot to talk about, including a new book,

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<v Speaker 1>which appears to be the first in a series of

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<v Speaker 1>about nine hundred books. Are you how you doing today?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm doing pretty good? And yeah, so the first of

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<v Speaker 6>about seven hundred and four. I'm sorry if you just

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<v Speaker 6>heard a motorcycle go off the street behind me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all right. Yes, you have written book one of

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<v Speaker 1>a series forty years of pay per View, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is nineteen eighty five through nineteen ninety and the book

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<v Speaker 1>just came out a couple of days ago. It's available

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<v Speaker 1>on Amazon dot com. And uh, what in God's name

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<v Speaker 1>possessed you to watch forty years of pay per views?

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<v Speaker 1>So it was.

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<v Speaker 6>Actually started about a year ago. I realized that twenty

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<v Speaker 6>twenty five was the forty year anniversary of when Vincikmanhn

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<v Speaker 6>started putting wrestling pay per views on and it just

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<v Speaker 6>kind of snowballed from there. It was originally going to

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<v Speaker 6>be a podcasting project. But then I realized, nobody listens

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<v Speaker 6>to my podcast now, so while they listened to it then,

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<v Speaker 6>So it since I came to that realization after I'd

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<v Speaker 6>already written like twenty year thirty shows. I'm like, let's

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<v Speaker 6>turn this into a book, and here we are. And

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<v Speaker 6>I released it Monday, the day before my fortieth birthday,

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<v Speaker 6>which was the goal.

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<v Speaker 1>The day before your fortieth birthday. Yes, that means you

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<v Speaker 1>are now forty.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, it does go Wait, my goal for a long

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<v Speaker 10>time was just to make it to forty eight. Now

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<v Speaker 10>then I got there. Man, it's all gravy after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Your goal was to make it to forty.

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<v Speaker 10>It was tough. I had some stretches there.

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<v Speaker 12>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So so forty years of pay per view, meaning this

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<v Speaker 1>all begins the year you were born.

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<v Speaker 6>The year after I was born in eighty four.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, I see, Okay, I guess that's how birthdays

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<v Speaker 1>worked down, doesn't it?

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<v Speaker 7>All?

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<v Speaker 14>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So what is the what is the the ID?

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<v Speaker 6>Here?

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<v Speaker 1>We talking all pay per views? So eventually we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get like Heroes of Wrestling and the weekly pay per

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<v Speaker 1>views for TNA.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, oh, in this book is the AWA super Clash

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<v Speaker 6>three pay per view. That's the only non WWF slash

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<v Speaker 6>NWA show from that period. But the next one, which

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<v Speaker 6>is tentatively ninety one through ninety four, you have the

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<v Speaker 6>LPWA show, you have herb Abrams UWF. You have a

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<v Speaker 6>whole bunch of wonderful non big two pay per views

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<v Speaker 6>coming up down the line.

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<v Speaker 1>So you are going to review every single pay per

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<v Speaker 1>view from any company that has ever existed in professionals.

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<v Speaker 15>Collide and you got that one, Yes with an asterisk

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<v Speaker 15>on the every single pay per view ever because it

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<v Speaker 15>has to be a limit somewhere, so like no eye

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<v Speaker 15>pay per views, because I'd be here nice, you know,

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<v Speaker 15>my grandkids would need to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>So it must it must air on traditional pay per view.

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<v Speaker 6>Correct, and it has to have some degree of a

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<v Speaker 6>national following or at least national clearance. Like WrestleMania one.

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<v Speaker 6>It was on a handful of shows, but or a

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<v Speaker 6>handful of pay per view providers, but it was so

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<v Speaker 6>few that it doesn't even register. So I note that

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<v Speaker 6>in the book that I'm not going to review WrestleMania one,

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<v Speaker 6>like maybe in some future project, but I don't consider

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<v Speaker 6>that a pay per view.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Yeah, that's gonna drive a lot of people crazy,

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of completionists.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, my friend and co host Trey, it's driven him

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<v Speaker 6>crazy already.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Well, we have to have rules right exactly, Yes.

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<v Speaker 10>Including like UWFi into that too, or big you know,

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<v Speaker 10>shoulder wrestling pay per views that were a big deal

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<v Speaker 10>at the time.

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<v Speaker 6>As long as it aired in the United States, either

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<v Speaker 6>live or did a good job of pretending to be live,

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<v Speaker 6>like SummerSlam ninety two or UWFi, they'll be on the list.

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<v Speaker 1>So now, the title of the book is forty Years

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<v Speaker 1>of pay per View, Book one, So I guess that

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<v Speaker 1>means you have decided that the cutoff is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be twenty twenty five four.

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<v Speaker 6>Honestly, I never really thought that far. I just thought

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<v Speaker 6>it was a cute title.

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<v Speaker 1>I just read your title.

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<v Speaker 6>Or you forced me to like put out like ten

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<v Speaker 6>books or twelve books in the next year and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>I've forced an end date. Yes, yes, forty years of

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<v Speaker 1>pay per View eighty five through ninety God how many

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<v Speaker 1>pay per views were in this first book, thirty thirty

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<v Speaker 1>so thank god.

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<v Speaker 6>It was originally going to be eighty five through eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 6>and then the next one was going to be ninety

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<v Speaker 6>through ninety four, but that ninety to ninety four period

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<v Speaker 6>has a load of shows, so I cut off ninety

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<v Speaker 6>and added it onto the first chat of the first book.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I mean this with all due respect. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>think this out when you started?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Ish, okay, because you mentioned you mentioned how many pay

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>per views are in book one thirty Okay, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a year nowadays, right.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a it's a year in two thousand because it's

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<v Speaker 6>between WWF WW andw this thirty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. So you're gonna have to go year

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>by year here pretty soon.

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<v Speaker 6>I haven't quite gotten that far, but yet, especially in

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<v Speaker 6>that ninety nine two thousand period, it's probably gonna be

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<v Speaker 6>twelve to eighteen months.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you gotta think about this too. Once you get

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<v Speaker 1>to the weekly pay per views with TNA, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to do like three books per year.

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<v Speaker 6>For that. I'm thinking of just doing the TNA shows

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<v Speaker 6>as one book, and so all of.

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<v Speaker 1>The pay per views are just one book, like the

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<v Speaker 1>TNA pay per view years.

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<v Speaker 6>Just the TNA weekly shows as one book, and then

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<v Speaker 6>ww and whomever else from like two thousand and two

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<v Speaker 6>to two thousand and four. Ish.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think if I would want to read

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<v Speaker 1>a book that just recapped all of the TNA weekly

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 1>pay per views. There's part of me that we're like there,

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<v Speaker 1>like I would never ever read that book, and then

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>there's that other part of me that thinks, I have

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>to read that book.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow, I have. I have actually been watching them for

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 6>my for my Wednesday show with my co host Cindy,

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 6>and where we've almost reached the point where you and

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<v Speaker 6>Vinnie and Sean gave up, and at least the last

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.839
<v Speaker 6>two weeks have been pretty good, but the next week

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<v Speaker 6>is the week that you gave up. So I'm kind

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<v Speaker 6>of curious just.

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<v Speaker 10>How bad it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, Aria.

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<v Speaker 10>I was a big boxing fan my entire life, and

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 10>I was always fascinated with pay per view and close

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 10>circuit and things like that. I've done a lot of

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<v Speaker 10>research on it. So when the idea came for TNA

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<v Speaker 10>to do weekly pay per views, even though it was

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 10>found out to be a complete disaster of an idea,

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 10>I was interested in it, especially because there really was

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 10>no other American wrestling at the time unless you were

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:08.920
<v Speaker 10>a tape trader or buying VHS tapes DVDs, so TNA

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 10>was actually an interesting thing a concept to me at

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 10>the start. But one of the things I also liked

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<v Speaker 10>about pay per view was finding the numbers and things

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<v Speaker 10>like that. Are you going to have that added in

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<v Speaker 10>as far as buy rates and dollars and maybe some

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<v Speaker 10>of the crazy things that happened. Obviously more crazy things

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<v Speaker 10>happened in boxing when it came to pay per views

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<v Speaker 10>and putting them on, but wrestling there's been plenty of

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<v Speaker 10>those cases as well. Are you going to give a

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<v Speaker 10>little bit of a backstory and some stats when it

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<v Speaker 10>comes to these pay per views?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, definitely, every show. It's not just like me saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>Wrestlania four first Match Battle Royal, No, it's like Wrestling four.

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<v Speaker 6>Here's all the crazy stuff happening in the world that's

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<v Speaker 6>happened since the last thoty of pay per view. Here's

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<v Speaker 6>how this show is done, and how it compares to

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<v Speaker 6>the last show they did and the last WrestleMania and

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<v Speaker 6>any fun little story. And I bring up Wrestlemany four

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<v Speaker 6>just because my favorite passage that I wrote in the

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<v Speaker 6>book was the Wrestlingia four passage, because that's the show

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<v Speaker 6>that went head to head to the clash of the Champions,

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<v Speaker 6>and I basically wrote on this day it was one

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<v Speaker 6>of the greatest shows of all time. It created a

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<v Speaker 6>brand new star and had some of the best matches

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<v Speaker 6>you'll ever see. And this is the story of the

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<v Speaker 6>other show that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>That day, brutal. And then you rate all the matches, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but not on a five star scale.

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<v Speaker 6>Parrect I've always preferred the zero to ten scale, my

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<v Speaker 6>grand scale. Yes, pretty much, yes, And I tell you, like,

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<v Speaker 6>if it makes it feel better, just cut it in

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<v Speaker 6>half and say that's how many stars. It is interesting,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, And I do tell but at the end

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<v Speaker 6>of the day, if you disagree with my opinion about

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<v Speaker 6>how good a match or a show was, that's great.

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<v Speaker 6>Like life would be pretty boring if we all had

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<v Speaker 6>the same opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let me ask you this question, because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of I don't even know what age it would be,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe somewhat younger than us. A lot of fans

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<v Speaker 1>I guess younger than me. You know, they think of like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the eighties NWA was awesome and WWF sucked.

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<v Speaker 1>But and I've gone back and watched a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that mid eighties stuff and a lot of whole Cogan

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<v Speaker 1>matches like on Saturday Night's main event, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>that bad. Some of it is bad, but like I

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<v Speaker 1>mean some of this stuff with like Hogan until about

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<v Speaker 1>like nineteen eighty eight, I mean, he would just kill

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<v Speaker 1>it in these main events, not not so much the

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<v Speaker 1>Andre match, but like other matches, and like you had

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<v Speaker 1>Randy Savage and Ricky the Dragon Steamboat and Cowboy Bob Orton,

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<v Speaker 1>and like there were some freakin good matches in the

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<v Speaker 1>mid eighties and WWF, but people kind of remember the

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<v Speaker 1>really horrible stuff and I think start to fixate on

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<v Speaker 1>like the real late eighties and early nineties when there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of terrible stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh definitely. And I mean at the end of the book,

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<v Speaker 6>I put like the top ten overall ratings of all

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<v Speaker 6>the shows during this period, and three of the top

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<v Speaker 6>five shows are WWF shows. And so it's not like, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>it's all just gonna be NWA shows, you know, It's no,

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<v Speaker 6>it's likes had a lot of good stuff, just it's

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<v Speaker 6>easier to remember the bad stuff sometimes, or it's easy

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<v Speaker 6>to paint it with a giant brush. And I know

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<v Speaker 6>you're bringing up the WWF, but like Lex Luger. He

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<v Speaker 6>is so underrated during this period, it's not even funny.

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<v Speaker 6>And I know he's wrestling Flair and Steambone and Pilm

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<v Speaker 6>and et cetera. But you know something, it takes two

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<v Speaker 6>to have a great match. Takes one to have a

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<v Speaker 6>good match, but two to have a great match.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, it's funny. I have I have watched

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<v Speaker 1>a fair amount of of mid eighties and WA, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have rewatched all of the Monday Night Wars, and

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<v Speaker 1>I really haven't rewatched like nineteen ninety through nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>four NWAWCW. But I mean, I mean, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>thought the same thing, like Luger always got kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a bad rap. But I watched him during the Monday

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<v Speaker 1>Night Wars, and this guy was so over and they

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<v Speaker 1>never pulled the trigger on him, like they would give

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<v Speaker 1>him a big win and then they would take it

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<v Speaker 1>away and they would focus on other people, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, dude, this guy is like he's right on

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<v Speaker 1>the cusp and they never pulled the trigger. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>watching a lot of the uh, you know, I watched

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the mid eighties NWA, and I'm waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to see like horrible X Luger, but some of his

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<v Speaker 1>interviews were kind of boring. He'd go on forever. But

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<v Speaker 1>as far as like matches, I mean, he wasn't bad

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<v Speaker 1>at all. In fact, he was often good.

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<v Speaker 6>No, and I think it was the motorcycle wreck and

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<v Speaker 6>also just in general going to the WWF where he

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<v Speaker 6>realized he could get by by doing a lot less.

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<v Speaker 10>I think one of the other issues with Luger too,

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<v Speaker 10>in the moment when we had Tully and Arn and

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:10.799
<v Speaker 10>Flair and Sting was at a different Luger just he

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<v Speaker 10>never Unfortunately, he never got the shot in the NWA

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 10>because when he should have, when the belt after Sting

0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 10>got hurt, Blair didn't want to get the belt to him,

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<v Speaker 10>and that's probably when he should have won it. And yes,

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<v Speaker 10>you go into eighty nine he turns heel on steamboat.

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.359
<v Speaker 10>He was actually really really good and told pretty much

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<v Speaker 10>the time he left to go to the WWF.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, stand by back in the moment with more

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer Live, Baby soopsticks, long.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike Semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, everybody here in the chat says, it's Looch's gimmicks

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<v Speaker 1>really working for you. Mike, you may be the next

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<v Speaker 1>ex Caliber.

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<v Speaker 10>Don't insult me like that, although again, covering up my

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<v Speaker 10>face more. That's that's, that's what it's about for these people.

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<v Speaker 10>I do look better when you don't see me.

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<v Speaker 6>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>We are joined by Aria Witner forty years of Pay

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<v Speaker 1>per View Book one of eighty nine, nineteen eighty five

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<v Speaker 1>through nineteen ninety available on Amazon dot Com. It says

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<v Speaker 1>your paperback. Is it only paperback?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 6>You can also get it on Kindle, Elk, Kindle unlimited.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I have Kindle unlimited. Wow. You'll need Kindle

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<v Speaker 1>Unlimited to read this entire series.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, you do. And by the way, since I've just

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<v Speaker 6>discovered the economics of Amazon, if you get it on

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<v Speaker 6>Kindle Limited and hate it, do me a favor and

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<v Speaker 6>just slip through the entire book books. Did you get

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<v Speaker 6>paid by the number of pages people read?

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<v Speaker 10>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know that.

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<v Speaker 6>I did not here's it all until I had to

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<v Speaker 6>look it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to write a really long book with one

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<v Speaker 1>word on each page. That's my that's my that's my idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Get some plugs in here for your book and everything

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<v Speaker 1>else you're doing.

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<v Speaker 6>But it's forty years of pay per view book one

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty five through nineteen ninety. It's available on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 6>It's one of the I don't want to say best selling,

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<v Speaker 6>but it's one of the hottest new releases right now

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<v Speaker 6>in the pro wrestling market. If you want to hear

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<v Speaker 6>what else I have to say, check out the Something

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<v Speaker 6>Just don't listen to it at work because we tend

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<v Speaker 6>to go off on some rrated tangents.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean, don't listen with speaker on pretty much. Yes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry. Nobody listening to any of these shows ever

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<v Speaker 1>listens on speaker. It would be a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 10>Ario.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank you so much for doing the

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<v Speaker 1>show today. Best of luck, and we'll see you about

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two times in the future when new books come out.

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<v Speaker 6>Sound good, sound Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much, and of course thanks everybody for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Have I happy all away everybody. We'll talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>next time. Wrestling Observer Live. You have been listening to

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