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Speaker 1: And there is an injury. We actually had a lot
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: I am so disgusted right now, why's that you saw
Speaker 1: a mirror show show, Mike, Look at this. You had
Speaker 1: one job, one job? How's to find a costume? Couldn't
Speaker 1: even do it? You don't have a sheet. Could you
Speaker 1: put a sheet over your head or something?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 10: Yeah, because that's what I want. The chat saying, hey,
Speaker 10: look he's dressed like a Klansman or something like that.
Speaker 1: No, not a Clansman outfit, but like, get a sheet
Speaker 1: and put some holes in it. Fries like you're a ghost.
Speaker 1: You soon as you don't have a Luca mask.
Speaker 10: I was looking for one, actually, and I thought I
Speaker 10: knew where they were in No, like a mysterio mask
Speaker 10: and a mask somewhere.
Speaker 1: And here, I'm gonna make you a deal. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you a five minute break from the show to
Speaker 1: see if you can find a Luca mask. I'll just
Speaker 1: talk about the first bit of news here, which you
Speaker 1: ain't gonna care about anyway. Alright, just a bunch of injuries.
Speaker 1: You go find a mask. The chat is so disgusting.
Speaker 1: Right now, goll Lee Dom's got a costume on. He's
Speaker 1: a radio producer, right.
Speaker 11: Tom, You're damn right, And I have a Plinko shirt
Speaker 11: on pretending to be a price is Right contestant today.
Speaker 1: Also, Wow, a Plinko shirt. I've gotta, I've gotta. I've
Speaker 1: got a Shahalas Flying Saucer party shirt.
Speaker 4: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Actually my workout shirt. Alright. Well, while, uh, while this
Speaker 1: guy is trying to find a mask, should probably be
Speaker 1: wearing every day.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 1: First, a bunch of injuries to talk about here. Former
Speaker 1: former aw tag team champion Nick Jackson has been working
Speaker 1: with a separated shoulder has been bothering him for weeks.
Speaker 1: News comes from Brian Albert. Hey, that's me. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did report that. I don't know, I don't know when
Speaker 1: he got hurt, but apparently it's been a while. And
Speaker 1: if you guys saw the tag match with Private Party
Speaker 1: at the pay per view, and then the tag match
Speaker 1: they had last night, which was absolutely last night was
Speaker 1: like even better than the pay per view, and the
Speaker 1: pay per view match was great. He did that entire
Speaker 1: match with a separated shoulder. And if you've ever had
Speaker 1: a separated shoulder, I mean you can work through it,
Speaker 1: but I mean can't even lift his I think he
Speaker 1: obviously can lift his arm, but can't lift weights anything
Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, he did both of those matches
Speaker 1: with a separated shoulder, so there's that. And then also
Speaker 1: Dave reported last night Bandido is healed. He actually injured
Speaker 1: his wrist in June of twenty twenty three. It is
Speaker 1: currently basically November of twenty twenty four, so he's been
Speaker 1: gone like seventeen months with his broken wrist because apparently
Speaker 1: they gave him surgery, it did not heal properly. He
Speaker 1: had a second surgery and is now finally able to return,
Speaker 1: so he should be back at some point here. But
Speaker 1: that is the update on Bandido and Rear. And keep
Speaker 1: in mind, by the way, keep in mind Adam Cole
Speaker 1: completely shattered and destroyed his ankle. They had to put
Speaker 1: like a cadaver, you know, they not a full cadaver obviously,
Speaker 1: but they had to do a lot of They had
Speaker 1: to do a very very intense too surgeries. I believe
Speaker 1: it was multiple surgeries and he was only had a
Speaker 1: little more in a year. So yeah, eighteen months out
Speaker 1: with a wrist injury for Bandido, and then this rear
Speaker 1: Ripley will be out for an undisclosed amount of time.
Speaker 1: They did an angle on NXT where she showed up
Speaker 1: because she's friends with Zaria, and I believe she even
Speaker 1: said that she knew Zaria's dad. And this, by the way,
Speaker 1: is a slow build to Zaria going to the main
Speaker 1: roster to eventually feud with Rehea Ripley. So kind of
Speaker 1: planning some seeds right now, that's the long term, but
Speaker 1: you know, she was there wishing all the baby faces luck.
Speaker 1: And then they cut outside a little later and there's
Speaker 1: Live Morgan and Raquel. They're walking off the set with
Speaker 1: you know, baseball bats or whatever, and they zoom in
Speaker 1: and there's Rhea Ripley covered in blood. Yes they're doing bloody,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure was fake Halloween blood, but she's all
Speaker 1: bloody and laid out and dead. And apparently she suffered
Speaker 1: a broken or I guess fractured orbital bone, and this
Speaker 1: was the angle to write her off for a while.
Speaker 1: So she actually, I mean she did a storyline a
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean she did the appearance earlier in
Speaker 1: the show, so I mean you can't really see it,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I cracked my arbital bone in it sucks.
Speaker 1: So she's out of action for a while, and that
Speaker 1: was a storyline injury to put her out of action,
Speaker 1: So when she'll be back, I don't know, maybe able
Speaker 1: to wrestle with one of those face masks on. I
Speaker 1: guess we shall see. And speaking of liv Morgan has
Speaker 1: signed a new five year deal with WWE. She wants
Speaker 1: to stay with WWE as long as the company will
Speaker 1: have her. She was on Logan Paul's podcast and talked
Speaker 1: about a lot of things, including signing a new five
Speaker 1: year deal. My five year plan is WWE, she said,
Speaker 1: that's my five year plan. So she has re signed,
Speaker 1: and apparently elsewhere in that interview, she talked about I
Speaker 1: forget why she was arrested, but it was I don't know,
Speaker 1: six eight months ago, maybe a year ago or whatever,
Speaker 1: and she said that when she took the mugshot, the
Speaker 1: officer taking the mugshot said, this mugshot is going to
Speaker 1: go viral. It's one of the best I've ever taken,
Speaker 1: or something to that effect. So talked about that on
Speaker 1: the podcast as well. Then we've got a couple of
Speaker 1: notes on WWEID which every time I bring this up,
Speaker 1: everybody comes out of the woodwork. But thankfully I've begun
Speaker 1: just blocking people on the twitch chat to thus not
Speaker 1: to be distracted by rampant stupidity. But as noted yesterday,
Speaker 1: there's probably around eight was what I was told. Around
Speaker 1: eight people are already under WWEID deals, and this has
Speaker 1: been in place for several months now, the beginning of
Speaker 1: this program, and everybody's asking like, well, what happens with this,
Speaker 1: what happens with that? So essentially the guides with WWE
Speaker 1: ID deals at this point are free agents, and so
Speaker 1: they're able to wrestle where they want, they can do jobs.
Speaker 1: They're free agents. But the situation is, if for example,
Speaker 1: AW comes knocking or TNA or whoever, if they get
Speaker 1: an offer from another company because they are under ID deals,
Speaker 1: they have to report this to WWE. And at that
Speaker 1: point WWE can either say, all right, we're offering you
Speaker 1: a full time developmental deal you're moving to Florida or
Speaker 1: eventually Vegas, or they can say you're free to negotiate
Speaker 1: with these other companies and sign there. So essentially this
Speaker 1: ID deal, you know, the wrestlers get a small amount
Speaker 1: of money to uh work on their their appearance and everything.
Speaker 1: But also they w W has right of first refusal
Speaker 1: for contract offers. But they are free agents other than
Speaker 1: the I D designation they can wrestle wherever they want.
Speaker 1: They can do jobs, but contract offers have to be
Speaker 1: uh brought up with the w W E and hey,
Speaker 1: who's here doing jobs?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Finally, finally, are you don't tell me? What's his name?
Speaker 2: Dang it?
Speaker 1: What's that guy's name in w CW that had the
Speaker 1: mask with the goggles on it? Who was that? No,
Speaker 1: not Clo.
Speaker 2: Who had the goggles?
Speaker 1: Who are you? Are you hooving tude Mysterio? It's an
Speaker 1: old Ray Mysterio mask. Yes, Raysteria has more masks than
Speaker 1: mill Maskris, whose literal gimmick is man of a thousand masks.
Speaker 10: Ray's got a million.
Speaker 1: Much better, Mike, that's much better.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: Hey, and you know you made some money by not
Speaker 1: having to work for ten minutes here.
Speaker 10: That's true.
Speaker 1: You missed a lot of very exciting news about injuries
Speaker 1: and such.
Speaker 10: Oh no, I don't want to hear anything more about injuries.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 1: But when we come back, you're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the super Coolo.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Ah, I thought you were super Kello.
Speaker 10: Oh man, what happened to him? I don't know, But
Speaker 10: did super Kolo? No he didn't. Who was the one
Speaker 10: who was Silver King right, who won the uh who
Speaker 10: won the on a pole match and then stole Lex
Speaker 10: Luger's cap.
Speaker 1: I think that might have been Silver King. All right
Speaker 1: back in a moment, we'll do Dynamite and then we
Speaker 1: have a special guest.
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Whoever's doing the tweets today, we have a shot at
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Speaker 10: Oh that's a new mask. Now you're mystico. Yes, and
Speaker 10: you know what, I have an announcement to make. I
Speaker 10: don't know if people have heard this or not have
Speaker 10: seen this or not, but I am the NWA Historic
Speaker 10: Middleweight Champions I now.
Speaker 1: You vacated that exactly, and That's what.
Speaker 10: I'm going to do right now. I'm going to take
Speaker 10: this belt and dump it in this trash can. Oh
Speaker 10: right there, horrible, horrible. I'm ready for more action in
Speaker 10: MLW and New Japan Pro wrestling.
Speaker 1: Brian Rose made a great comment, which is it right now?
Speaker 1: It's Ricky Morton and Mystico, which is an incredible tag team.
Speaker 1: He said, Ray Mysterio, But I guess that was in
Speaker 1: the in the last Either way, that would be an
Speaker 1: incredible tag team.
Speaker 10: I see right now, see it was? It was before
Speaker 10: it was Ray Mysterio and Bobby Eaton. Now it's Mystico
Speaker 10: and uh Bobby Eaton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what I don't know about Bobby Eaton.
Speaker 1: This This is definitely more Ricky Morton, I think. All right,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about some highlights from the UH
Speaker 1: from the Dynamite show. Let's start with the UH. Let's
Speaker 1: start with the best thing on the show, which was
Speaker 1: Young Bucks versus Private Party tag team titles Private Party
Speaker 1: must split up forever if they don't win. And my god,
Speaker 1: speaking of Ricky Morton, you know it's gonna seem like
Speaker 1: an Odalian, but I must put myself over myself and
Speaker 1: filthy Tom wrestled the Rock and Roll Express. That's right,
Speaker 1: we wrestled the Rock and Roll Express Ricky and Robert
Speaker 1: and granted we didn't win, but for fifteen minutes of
Speaker 1: that black Label pro show, we turned it back the clock.
Speaker 1: And I bring it up because I watched this match
Speaker 1: and listen, I was there and Wrestle Dream. Okay, I
Speaker 1: was there in the crowd. I watched the Young Bucks
Speaker 1: versus Private Party at Wrestle Dream and it was like
Speaker 1: it was like a really good match. But when it
Speaker 1: was over, it was like, yeah, it was a really
Speaker 1: good match, But was it like an all timer, like
Speaker 1: an all time great Young Bucks?
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just like it was really good.
Speaker 1: I think I gave it four stars or something. It
Speaker 1: was like good, It was like really good, but there
Speaker 1: was just something about it. Then it kept it from
Speaker 1: that level. It was a I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: My god, this match last night, Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: thought this was way better than the pay per view match.
Speaker 1: And granted, it's funny because like there were sixty five
Speaker 1: hundred people seven thousand somewhere around that in the Tacoma Dome,
Speaker 1: but you know, they were cheering and everything, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't like a barn Burger. They had thirty two hundred people,
Speaker 1: I believe in the show last night, which was a
Speaker 1: good crowd for a Dynamite and these people were just
Speaker 1: going nuts during this match, and they just had incredible
Speaker 1: heat from about five minutes in and they're doing all
Speaker 1: of these crazy spots. Everybody looks great. It's probably the
Speaker 1: best match Private Parties ever had in their lives. And
Speaker 1: they finally win the titles and the place just fricking
Speaker 1: exploded and it was like, for twenty minutes, it's like
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen all over again, Like this was twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Aw stuff right here. Just an incredible match. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody look great, crowd's going haywire. It was awesome, absolutely awesome.
Speaker 1: And then the Bucks give the belts to a Private
Speaker 1: Party and they leave, and then they pack their bags
Speaker 1: and they leave the building and Chris Daniels is trying
Speaker 1: to stop them, and they're like, nop, this place is
Speaker 1: pure chaos. We came back and want to try to
Speaker 1: make this place. Nobody wanted to listen to us. We're
Speaker 1: out of here. We're working from home, so I don't
Speaker 1: know they could be back in a week, but I
Speaker 1: watched this thing and it was like they're gone for
Speaker 1: a while. And it's kind of interesting because it's like
Speaker 1: they're two different universes in aw there's like this John
Speaker 1: Moxley universe where he's trying to take over the company
Speaker 1: and like all these babyfaces are just getting murdered every week.
Speaker 1: And then there's like the other half of aw where
Speaker 1: like none of this even exists, like Swerves there, but
Speaker 1: he's dealing with the hurt business and this and that,
Speaker 1: and the Young Bucks are kind of right in the middle.
Speaker 1: They don't want to be involved, but like they're they're
Speaker 1: at least acknowledging that this is going on. And I
Speaker 1: watched it and I thought, Okay, well, they're gonna go
Speaker 1: home for a while, and then the day's gonna come
Speaker 1: where they return to try to save AW as Babyfaces.
Speaker 1: But the problem is there's another universe where they've got
Speaker 1: an issue with Kenny Omega, who's gonna be coming back soon,
Speaker 1: and he ain't coming back as a heel. So I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what's going to happen in terms of what
Speaker 1: the Young Bucks are going to be doing when they
Speaker 1: come back. Are they coming back to feud as heels
Speaker 1: with Omega or are they gonna come back and reunite
Speaker 1: and like be conquering Babyfaces. I have no idea, but
Speaker 1: I think they're gone for a while. But that was
Speaker 1: the best thing on the show by miles.
Speaker 10: Easily, easily, And even if you didn't like the post
Speaker 10: match stuff when it came to the deal afterwards when
Speaker 10: they left, that's fine, but it was by far the
Speaker 10: best thing on the show, right It was probably the
Speaker 10: best private party match that they've had since the last
Speaker 10: time they faced the Young Bucks, or really back in
Speaker 10: twenty nineteen when they debuted and nationally, you know, came
Speaker 10: on the scene against the Young Bucks. I and for
Speaker 10: Matt Jackson to have a separated shoulder and granted the
Speaker 10: different Lord Nick Jackson to have a separated shoulder. Again. Granted,
Speaker 10: there's different severities to this, and I don't think it's
Speaker 10: too bad, but the fact that he's been working like
Speaker 10: that and the match was that good and you really
Speaker 10: wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: Both matches, the pay per view match as well.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so hopefully he didn't make it any worse. It's
Speaker 10: something that he's probably gonna be out a couple of
Speaker 10: weeks for. That's one of the reasons I'm sure they're
Speaker 10: kind of stepping away right now. But you're right, it's
Speaker 10: gonna be interesting to see how all of these worlds
Speaker 10: collide together and then move the entire project of product forward,
Speaker 10: because we are going to need to have some sort
Speaker 10: of tie in here at some point, because once Orange
Speaker 10: Cassidy is out of the way, sure we have Moxley
Speaker 10: and Darby Allen, but what about the rest of that
Speaker 10: group and how it fits into everything else. At some point,
Speaker 10: you figure they're going to have to come across the
Speaker 10: hurt business, and that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 1: The thing with I don't know exactly how bad his
Speaker 1: separated shoulder is, but when I separated both of mine,
Speaker 1: and when I separated the one that was the worst,
Speaker 1: like I couldn't even lift the bar, Like I couldn't
Speaker 1: bench the bar, which is forty five pounds. Not one time.
Speaker 1: I couldn't mention it one time. It hurts so bad,
Speaker 1: but like I could do normal things in life. And
Speaker 1: I believe because I remember because at the pay per
Speaker 1: view Matt, Matt got pinned, okay, and I had somebody
Speaker 1: ask me. They were like, does Nick ever do jobs?
Speaker 1: Because it's always Matt, And I had noticed that Matt
Speaker 1: was usually the guy that did jobs, but I knew
Speaker 1: that he wasn't the only one because I remembered there
Speaker 1: was a time when Nick got pined and I remembered
Speaker 1: it because it was unusual. Okay, so you know, Matt
Speaker 1: did the job in the in the pay per view match,
Speaker 1: and I was asking around, you know, like someone's asking
Speaker 1: me this question, like how come? And as it turns out,
Speaker 1: Nick was supposed to do the job in the pay
Speaker 1: per view match, but the finish they had he couldn't
Speaker 1: lift the guy because of his shoulder, and so Matt
Speaker 1: ended up doing it and he ended up getting pinned.
Speaker 1: But if you watch last night, Nick did his job.
Speaker 1: So anyway, there's there's no conspiracy. Nick does do jobs
Speaker 1: for the Young Bucks, but for whatever reason, I think
Speaker 1: Matt really likes doing jobs for some reason.
Speaker 10: And you know what's gonna be interesting too, is what
Speaker 10: role will Jack Perry play as things going along? Because
Speaker 10: it seems to me that absolutely you get omeg it
Speaker 10: back together with the Bucks and you have a force
Speaker 10: that's gonna try to fight back against this group. Obviously
Speaker 10: you would have a Boushey tied into that, and you
Speaker 10: have Okada there who everybody wants to cheer anyway, But
Speaker 10: when he comes to Jack Perry, would he be a
Speaker 10: part of that or is he more served maybe being
Speaker 10: towards Moxley or a line closer to Moxley, or as
Speaker 10: a loaner. What about Hangman Page as well too. That's
Speaker 10: gonna be interesting to see how they might fit in
Speaker 10: a mix where once Omega comes back.
Speaker 1: And then the main event was Shelton Benjamin and Swerve.
Speaker 1: And if you've listened to interviews with Swerve, I mean
Speaker 1: the guy loves Shelton Benjamin. And if you have not
Speaker 1: listened to interviews with Swerve, all you have to do
Speaker 1: is watch this match to realize he loves Shelton Benjamin.
Speaker 1: Because Shelton took like ninety five percent of this match.
Speaker 1: I mean, Swerve just sold and sold and sold, and
Speaker 1: Shelton looked great. He's just thrown this dude around. This
Speaker 1: is like one of the best working forty nine year
Speaker 1: olds you'll ever see. You never know he was forty
Speaker 1: nine years old if you showed some rando this match.
Speaker 1: And Swerve did eventually win with the Swerve stomp, and
Speaker 1: then yes, Bobby Lashley debuted, I got a big pop,
Speaker 1: came down to the ring, and the hurt business murdered
Speaker 1: poor Prince Nana and Swerve and I presume this was
Speaker 1: literally the exact angle. I can't say for sure, but
Speaker 1: this is my presumption. I presume this was the exact
Speaker 1: thing they were gonna do in Tacoma, because they were
Speaker 1: gonna do this in Tacoma. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was this exact, but the idea was they were gonna
Speaker 1: kill Swerve in Tacoma. And then eventually it was sort
Speaker 1: of like, wait a second, we're killing Brian Danielson in Tacoma.
Speaker 1: We should We're gonna kill Swerve also in Tacoma, And
Speaker 1: so the decision was made, no, we will not kill
Speaker 1: all the hometown babyfaces in this town. And they held
Speaker 1: it off until until this show. And honestly, honestly, you know,
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Speaker 1: Back of the show. Bright Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike Simperviv also Wrestling Observer dot Com. Very happy today
Speaker 1: to be joined by our old friend Mario Whittner. We
Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about, including a new book,
Speaker 1: which appears to be the first in a series of
Speaker 1: about nine hundred books. Are you how you doing today?
Speaker 6: I'm doing pretty good? And yeah, so the first of
Speaker 6: about seven hundred and four. I'm sorry if you just
Speaker 6: heard a motorcycle go off the street behind me.
Speaker 1: That's all right. Yes, you have written book one of
Speaker 1: a series forty years of pay per View, and this
Speaker 1: is nineteen eighty five through nineteen ninety and the book
Speaker 1: just came out a couple of days ago. It's available
Speaker 1: on Amazon dot com. And uh, what in God's name
Speaker 1: possessed you to watch forty years of pay per views?
Speaker 1: So it was.
Speaker 6: Actually started about a year ago. I realized that twenty
Speaker 6: twenty five was the forty year anniversary of when Vincikmanhn
Speaker 6: started putting wrestling pay per views on and it just
Speaker 6: kind of snowballed from there. It was originally going to
Speaker 6: be a podcasting project. But then I realized, nobody listens
Speaker 6: to my podcast now, so while they listened to it then,
Speaker 6: So it since I came to that realization after I'd
Speaker 6: already written like twenty year thirty shows. I'm like, let's
Speaker 6: turn this into a book, and here we are. And
Speaker 6: I released it Monday, the day before my fortieth birthday,
Speaker 6: which was the goal.
Speaker 1: The day before your fortieth birthday. Yes, that means you
Speaker 1: are now forty.
Speaker 10: Yes, it does go Wait, my goal for a long
Speaker 10: time was just to make it to forty eight. Now
Speaker 10: then I got there. Man, it's all gravy after that.
Speaker 1: Your goal was to make it to forty.
Speaker 10: It was tough. I had some stretches there.
Speaker 12: Wow.
Speaker 1: So so forty years of pay per view, meaning this
Speaker 1: all begins the year you were born.
Speaker 6: The year after I was born in eighty four.
Speaker 1: But yes, I see, Okay, I guess that's how birthdays
Speaker 1: worked down, doesn't it?
Speaker 7: All?
Speaker 14: Right?
Speaker 1: So what is the what is the the ID?
Speaker 6: Here?
Speaker 1: We talking all pay per views? So eventually we're gonna
Speaker 1: get like Heroes of Wrestling and the weekly pay per
Speaker 1: views for TNA.
Speaker 6: Yes, oh, in this book is the AWA super Clash
Speaker 6: three pay per view. That's the only non WWF slash
Speaker 6: NWA show from that period. But the next one, which
Speaker 6: is tentatively ninety one through ninety four, you have the
Speaker 6: LPWA show, you have herb Abrams UWF. You have a
Speaker 6: whole bunch of wonderful non big two pay per views
Speaker 6: coming up down the line.
Speaker 1: So you are going to review every single pay per
Speaker 1: view from any company that has ever existed in professionals.
Speaker 15: Collide and you got that one, Yes with an asterisk
Speaker 15: on the every single pay per view ever because it
Speaker 15: has to be a limit somewhere, so like no eye
Speaker 15: pay per views, because I'd be here nice, you know,
Speaker 15: my grandkids would need to do this.
Speaker 1: So it must it must air on traditional pay per view.
Speaker 6: Correct, and it has to have some degree of a
Speaker 6: national following or at least national clearance. Like WrestleMania one.
Speaker 6: It was on a handful of shows, but or a
Speaker 6: handful of pay per view providers, but it was so
Speaker 6: few that it doesn't even register. So I note that
Speaker 6: in the book that I'm not going to review WrestleMania one,
Speaker 6: like maybe in some future project, but I don't consider
Speaker 6: that a pay per view.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, that's gonna drive a lot of people crazy,
Speaker 1: a lot of completionists.
Speaker 6: Oh, my friend and co host Trey, it's driven him
Speaker 6: crazy already.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, we have to have rules right exactly, Yes.
Speaker 10: Including like UWFi into that too, or big you know,
Speaker 10: shoulder wrestling pay per views that were a big deal
Speaker 10: at the time.
Speaker 6: As long as it aired in the United States, either
Speaker 6: live or did a good job of pretending to be live,
Speaker 6: like SummerSlam ninety two or UWFi, they'll be on the list.
Speaker 1: So now, the title of the book is forty Years
Speaker 1: of pay per View, Book one, So I guess that
Speaker 1: means you have decided that the cutoff is going to
Speaker 1: be twenty twenty five four.
Speaker 6: Honestly, I never really thought that far. I just thought
Speaker 6: it was a cute title.
Speaker 1: I just read your title.
Speaker 6: Or you forced me to like put out like ten
Speaker 6: books or twelve books in the next year and a half.
Speaker 1: I've forced an end date. Yes, yes, forty years of
Speaker 1: pay per View eighty five through ninety God how many
Speaker 1: pay per views were in this first book, thirty thirty
Speaker 1: so thank god.
Speaker 6: It was originally going to be eighty five through eighty nine,
Speaker 6: and then the next one was going to be ninety
Speaker 6: through ninety four, but that ninety to ninety four period
Speaker 6: has a load of shows, so I cut off ninety
Speaker 6: and added it onto the first chat of the first book.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean this with all due respect. Did you
Speaker 1: think this out when you started?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Ish, okay, because you mentioned you mentioned how many pay
Speaker 1: per views are in book one thirty Okay, that's like
Speaker 1: a year nowadays, right.
Speaker 6: It's a it's a year in two thousand because it's
Speaker 6: between WWF WW andw this thirty one.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So you're gonna have to go year
Speaker 1: by year here pretty soon.
Speaker 6: I haven't quite gotten that far, but yet, especially in
Speaker 6: that ninety nine two thousand period, it's probably gonna be
Speaker 6: twelve to eighteen months.
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta think about this too. Once you get
Speaker 1: to the weekly pay per views with TNA, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do like three books per year.
Speaker 6: For that. I'm thinking of just doing the TNA shows
Speaker 6: as one book, and so all of.
Speaker 1: The pay per views are just one book, like the
Speaker 1: TNA pay per view years.
Speaker 6: Just the TNA weekly shows as one book, and then
Speaker 6: ww and whomever else from like two thousand and two
Speaker 6: to two thousand and four. Ish.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if I would want to read
Speaker 1: a book that just recapped all of the TNA weekly
Speaker 1: pay per views. There's part of me that we're like there,
Speaker 1: like I would never ever read that book, and then
Speaker 1: there's that other part of me that thinks, I have
Speaker 1: to read that book.
Speaker 6: Wow, I have. I have actually been watching them for
Speaker 6: my for my Wednesday show with my co host Cindy,
Speaker 6: and where we've almost reached the point where you and
Speaker 6: Vinnie and Sean gave up, and at least the last
Speaker 6: two weeks have been pretty good, but the next week
Speaker 6: is the week that you gave up. So I'm kind
Speaker 6: of curious just.
Speaker 10: How bad it is.
Speaker 1: Oh God, Aria.
Speaker 10: I was a big boxing fan my entire life, and
Speaker 10: I was always fascinated with pay per view and close
Speaker 10: circuit and things like that. I've done a lot of
Speaker 10: research on it. So when the idea came for TNA
Speaker 10: to do weekly pay per views, even though it was
Speaker 10: found out to be a complete disaster of an idea,
Speaker 10: I was interested in it, especially because there really was
Speaker 10: no other American wrestling at the time unless you were
Speaker 10: a tape trader or buying VHS tapes DVDs, so TNA
Speaker 10: was actually an interesting thing a concept to me at
Speaker 10: the start. But one of the things I also liked
Speaker 10: about pay per view was finding the numbers and things
Speaker 10: like that. Are you going to have that added in
Speaker 10: as far as buy rates and dollars and maybe some
Speaker 10: of the crazy things that happened. Obviously more crazy things
Speaker 10: happened in boxing when it came to pay per views
Speaker 10: and putting them on, but wrestling there's been plenty of
Speaker 10: those cases as well. Are you going to give a
Speaker 10: little bit of a backstory and some stats when it
Speaker 10: comes to these pay per views?
Speaker 6: Oh, definitely, every show. It's not just like me saying, oh,
Speaker 6: Wrestlania four first Match Battle Royal, No, it's like Wrestling four.
Speaker 6: Here's all the crazy stuff happening in the world that's
Speaker 6: happened since the last thoty of pay per view. Here's
Speaker 6: how this show is done, and how it compares to
Speaker 6: the last show they did and the last WrestleMania and
Speaker 6: any fun little story. And I bring up Wrestlemany four
Speaker 6: just because my favorite passage that I wrote in the
Speaker 6: book was the Wrestlingia four passage, because that's the show
Speaker 6: that went head to head to the clash of the Champions,
Speaker 6: and I basically wrote on this day it was one
Speaker 6: of the greatest shows of all time. It created a
Speaker 6: brand new star and had some of the best matches
Speaker 6: you'll ever see. And this is the story of the
Speaker 6: other show that happened.
Speaker 1: That day, brutal. And then you rate all the matches, right,
Speaker 1: but not on a five star scale.
Speaker 6: Parrect I've always preferred the zero to ten scale, my
Speaker 6: grand scale. Yes, pretty much, yes, And I tell you, like,
Speaker 6: if it makes it feel better, just cut it in
Speaker 6: half and say that's how many stars. It is interesting,
Speaker 6: you know, And I do tell but at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, if you disagree with my opinion about
Speaker 6: how good a match or a show was, that's great.
Speaker 6: Like life would be pretty boring if we all had
Speaker 6: the same opinion.
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you this question, because a lot
Speaker 1: of I don't even know what age it would be,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe somewhat younger than us. A lot of fans
Speaker 1: I guess younger than me. You know, they think of like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, the eighties NWA was awesome and WWF sucked.
Speaker 1: But and I've gone back and watched a lot of
Speaker 1: that mid eighties stuff and a lot of whole Cogan
Speaker 1: matches like on Saturday Night's main event, and it's not
Speaker 1: that bad. Some of it is bad, but like I
Speaker 1: mean some of this stuff with like Hogan until about
Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty eight, I mean, he would just kill
Speaker 1: it in these main events, not not so much the
Speaker 1: Andre match, but like other matches, and like you had
Speaker 1: Randy Savage and Ricky the Dragon Steamboat and Cowboy Bob Orton,
Speaker 1: and like there were some freakin good matches in the
Speaker 1: mid eighties and WWF, but people kind of remember the
Speaker 1: really horrible stuff and I think start to fixate on
Speaker 1: like the real late eighties and early nineties when there
Speaker 1: was a lot of terrible stuff.
Speaker 6: Oh definitely. And I mean at the end of the book,
Speaker 6: I put like the top ten overall ratings of all
Speaker 6: the shows during this period, and three of the top
Speaker 6: five shows are WWF shows. And so it's not like, oh,
Speaker 6: it's all just gonna be NWA shows, you know, It's no,
Speaker 6: it's likes had a lot of good stuff, just it's
Speaker 6: easier to remember the bad stuff sometimes, or it's easy
Speaker 6: to paint it with a giant brush. And I know
Speaker 6: you're bringing up the WWF, but like Lex Luger. He
Speaker 6: is so underrated during this period, it's not even funny.
Speaker 6: And I know he's wrestling Flair and Steambone and Pilm
Speaker 6: and et cetera. But you know something, it takes two
Speaker 6: to have a great match. Takes one to have a
Speaker 6: good match, but two to have a great match.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny. I have I have watched
Speaker 1: a fair amount of of mid eighties and WA, and
Speaker 1: I have rewatched all of the Monday Night Wars, and
Speaker 1: I really haven't rewatched like nineteen ninety through nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: four NWAWCW. But I mean, I mean, I mean I
Speaker 1: thought the same thing, like Luger always got kind of
Speaker 1: a bad rap. But I watched him during the Monday
Speaker 1: Night Wars, and this guy was so over and they
Speaker 1: never pulled the trigger on him, like they would give
Speaker 1: him a big win and then they would take it
Speaker 1: away and they would focus on other people, and it
Speaker 1: was like, dude, this guy is like he's right on
Speaker 1: the cusp and they never pulled the trigger. And yeah,
Speaker 1: watching a lot of the uh, you know, I watched
Speaker 1: a lot of the mid eighties NWA, and I'm waiting
Speaker 1: to see like horrible X Luger, but some of his
Speaker 1: interviews were kind of boring. He'd go on forever. But
Speaker 1: as far as like matches, I mean, he wasn't bad
Speaker 1: at all. In fact, he was often good.
Speaker 6: No, and I think it was the motorcycle wreck and
Speaker 6: also just in general going to the WWF where he
Speaker 6: realized he could get by by doing a lot less.
Speaker 10: I think one of the other issues with Luger too,
Speaker 10: in the moment when we had Tully and Arn and
Speaker 10: Flair and Sting was at a different Luger just he
Speaker 10: never Unfortunately, he never got the shot in the NWA
Speaker 10: because when he should have, when the belt after Sting
Speaker 10: got hurt, Blair didn't want to get the belt to him,
Speaker 10: and that's probably when he should have won it. And yes,
Speaker 10: you go into eighty nine he turns heel on steamboat.
Speaker 10: He was actually really really good and told pretty much
Speaker 10: the time he left to go to the WWF.
Speaker 1: All right, stand by back in the moment with more
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Man, everybody here in the chat says, it's Looch's gimmicks
Speaker 1: really working for you. Mike, you may be the next
Speaker 1: ex Caliber.
Speaker 10: Don't insult me like that, although again, covering up my
Speaker 10: face more. That's that's, that's what it's about for these people.
Speaker 10: I do look better when you don't see me.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: We are joined by Aria Witner forty years of Pay
Speaker 1: per View Book one of eighty nine, nineteen eighty five
Speaker 1: through nineteen ninety available on Amazon dot Com. It says
Speaker 1: your paperback. Is it only paperback?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: You can also get it on Kindle, Elk, Kindle unlimited.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I have Kindle unlimited. Wow. You'll need Kindle
Speaker 1: Unlimited to read this entire series.
Speaker 6: Yes, you do. And by the way, since I've just
Speaker 6: discovered the economics of Amazon, if you get it on
Speaker 6: Kindle Limited and hate it, do me a favor and
Speaker 6: just slip through the entire book books. Did you get
Speaker 6: paid by the number of pages people read?
Speaker 10: Wow?
Speaker 1: I did not know that.
Speaker 6: I did not here's it all until I had to
Speaker 6: look it up.
Speaker 1: I'm going to write a really long book with one
Speaker 1: word on each page. That's my that's my that's my idea.
Speaker 1: Get some plugs in here for your book and everything
Speaker 1: else you're doing.
Speaker 6: But it's forty years of pay per view book one
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty five through nineteen ninety. It's available on Amazon.
Speaker 6: It's one of the I don't want to say best selling,
Speaker 6: but it's one of the hottest new releases right now
Speaker 6: in the pro wrestling market. If you want to hear
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Speaker 6: Just don't listen to it at work because we tend
Speaker 6: to go off on some rrated tangents.
Speaker 1: You mean, don't listen with speaker on pretty much. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: don't worry. Nobody listening to any of these shows ever
Speaker 1: listens on speaker. It would be a bad idea.
Speaker 10: Ario.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for doing the
Speaker 1: show today. Best of luck, and we'll see you about
Speaker 1: ninety two times in the future when new books come out.
Speaker 6: Sound good, sound Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, and of course thanks everybody for listening.
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