WEBVTT - Short Stuff: The Devil's Den

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>There's Jerry A. K. Lucifer the Lightbringer, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>short Stuff, the Civil War Death Edition. That's right, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is uh, Halloween time. It is October, freak October.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna be peppering in some little spooky content

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<v Speaker 1>here and there. I'm so psyched. This is one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite holidays. I think we have this conversation every year,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's have it again Christmas and in Halloween. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween your favorite of all time? Though, I mean they're

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<v Speaker 1>both up there, like from October on. I'm pretty I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty happy guy. I'm here. I'm so angry the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the year. I know it's kind of freaky.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so angry because we're in approaching mid September and

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<v Speaker 1>it's at the high nineties here in Atlanta. Still yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's Atlanta weather. It's weird, weird weather, and

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<v Speaker 1>it has been forever. Do you want to talk Confederate

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<v Speaker 1>and young and soldier ghosts? Yeah? I don't want to,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will um so the Battle of Gettysburg in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck was I guess it was the bloodiest battle of

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<v Speaker 1>the entire Civil War, I believe, so maybe the most.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't want to say the bloodiest battle

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<v Speaker 1>in American history, considering all the other wars we've been in,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a bad one on American soil. I

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<v Speaker 1>was certainly, Yeah, yeah, for sure. But over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of three days at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania population at the time

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<v Speaker 1>about two thousand, so it's actually probably a pretty decent

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<v Speaker 1>sized town. Um, the Union troops and the Confederate troops

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<v Speaker 1>about a hundred and sixty five thousand troops total, all

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<v Speaker 1>gathered there at Gettysburg and said let's fight, and over

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<v Speaker 1>three days, something like seven thousand people died, with fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand, one d and twelve casualties over three days. Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>I did the math just with death's alone, almost two

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<v Speaker 1>people died every minute if you count every minute over

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two straight hours. Yeah, it was a blood bath.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course because of that, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>think Gettysburg is super haunted. There was one we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk in particular about a place called Devil's Den, which

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you are near a computer and not driving,

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<v Speaker 1>you should look it up Um. It's a really interesting place,

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<v Speaker 1>these huge boulders. It's like a maze of boulders between

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of other rocky hills, Big Roundtop and Little Roundtop. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>although it's spelled Little I'd like to call it Little Roundtop.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't get really fancy with the naming. No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little straightforward, but okay, unless Big Roundtop is actually smaller. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like Greenland and Iceland, but Devil's Den is this area

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<v Speaker 1>sort of in between them, with these, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>these huge rocks, and because of the unusual sort of

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<v Speaker 1>topography of these huge boulders, because you know, you think

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<v Speaker 1>about the Civil War is marching through these wide open

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<v Speaker 1>fields and kind of shooting at each other. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a nightmare scenario for a firefight because you've got boulders everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't see around the corner. It was a really,

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<v Speaker 1>really fierce, bloody fight with tons of deaths and casualties. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was even a place um in between I

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<v Speaker 1>think Little Round Top in the Devil's Den that was

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<v Speaker 1>the worst of all, called the slaughter pen because so

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<v Speaker 1>many people died in between this kind of open Noman's land.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a lot of death around Devil's Den, but

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<v Speaker 1>to make it even more kind of ghostly and freaky,

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<v Speaker 1>like even still today, if you walk through Devil's Den,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little creepy. It's a little unusual, as as

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<v Speaker 1>this guy named Mark Nesbit, who is a former park

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<v Speaker 1>ranger out at Gettysburg turned paranormial investigator. As he put

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically like a giant just dropped huge boulders the

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<v Speaker 1>size of houses onto this one spot on the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really unusual, it's really weird, and it'd be really

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<v Speaker 1>easy to hide just around the corner to be a

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<v Speaker 1>really if you put yourself in the mindset of this

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<v Speaker 1>three day battle, the bloodiest battle in American history, and

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<v Speaker 1>American soil going on and you're having to fight around

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<v Speaker 1>these boulders. The point is made by people who believe

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<v Speaker 1>in such things that this kind of um horrific emotion

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<v Speaker 1>endured by this many people collectively at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>surely must have lent some sort of imprint to the area.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of given this idea that Gettysburg in

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<v Speaker 1>the battlefield are one of the most haunted places in America.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. So on day two of Gettysburg, which like

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<v Speaker 1>we said, was three days um about Confederate troops attacked

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<v Speaker 1>the Union position on Little round Top. But remember Devil's

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<v Speaker 1>Den lies between Big Top and Little round Top, so

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<v Speaker 1>they had to battle it out at Devil's Den, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were led by the Confederate First Texas put a

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<v Speaker 1>pin in that very important and major General on bell

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<v Speaker 1>Hood was the commander of that unit. And here's what

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<v Speaker 1>they did. They took three of the Union's four big

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<v Speaker 1>heavy heavy artillery guns down, flushed the troops out from

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<v Speaker 1>Devil's Den, and then had sharpshooters just picking these dudes

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<v Speaker 1>off on Little round Top. Yeah, it was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Confederate First Texas UM saved the day

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<v Speaker 1>basically by by taking the Devil's Den, which is just

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's a that was a big deal overall, though,

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<v Speaker 1>the Union was was considered to have won the Battle

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<v Speaker 1>of Gettysburg because the next day there was Pickett's Charge,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a Confederate full frontal assault on the Union troops.

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<v Speaker 1>By full frontal assault, they mean that, um, they were

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<v Speaker 1>all naked when they charged. But it didn't it did

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<v Speaker 1>not work out, and the Union won. That won the

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<v Speaker 1>Battle of Gettysburg overall, but taking the Devil's Den was

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<v Speaker 1>considered a major Confederate victory in that in that larger

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<v Speaker 1>battle they said, don't fire until you see the whites

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<v Speaker 1>of their butts. Right. Terrible, but all in all, in

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<v Speaker 1>Devil's Den itself, I believe eight hundred Confederate soldiers died

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<v Speaker 1>even though they won an eight hundred Union soldiers died.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this relatively small area, that is twenty undred

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<v Speaker 1>people losing their life. And we'll talk about the ghostly

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<v Speaker 1>activity that resulted perhaps right after this. Okay, chuck, So

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<v Speaker 1>the Devil's Den was this, this place of massive casualties,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a scary place on its own. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>even scarier place if you're fighting somebody to the death.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a hundred and fifty years later, it still

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<v Speaker 1>remains a very scary place to people who are say

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<v Speaker 1>paranormal investigators, ghost unners, or tourists who are into ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. Yeah, So here's here are a

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<v Speaker 1>few of the stories. Uh. Once there was a young

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<v Speaker 1>woman who was climbing in these boulders with a friend

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<v Speaker 1>and she felt someone grab her ankle that was not

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<v Speaker 1>her friend, and She looks down and there's a young

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<v Speaker 1>man in a Civil War uniform. She screams for her friend,

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<v Speaker 1>looks back down. He's gone. That would be so scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us about the helpful hippie, because this is a

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<v Speaker 1>good one. It is a good one. So there was

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<v Speaker 1>a woman back when Mark Nez bit that the um

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<v Speaker 1>Gettysburg park ranger turned paranormal investigator who also he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>like a multi volume book series called the Ghosts of Gettysburg. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he at one point said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>park rangering, there's not a lot of money in that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what, there is a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>in ghost tours and write possibly double Yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 1>think so. So Um he did uh make the leap

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<v Speaker 1>over as so many park rangers due to ghost hunter. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was saying that while he was a park

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<v Speaker 1>ranger still a Gettysburg A woman came in and this

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<v Speaker 1>was years and years ago, who basically said, Hey, I

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<v Speaker 1>just saw this guy in the Devil's Den. I was

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<v Speaker 1>turned around, I got kind of lost, and then out

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<v Speaker 1>of nowhere, this kind of disheveled figure showed up and

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<v Speaker 1>pointed off in the distance and said, um, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>place you're looking for and then kind of vanished, and

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<v Speaker 1>the park rangers said, well, well, what did he look like?

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<v Speaker 1>And the lady said, get this, are we taking a break? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I was setting you up for the best part. He

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<v Speaker 1>already took our break, didn't we. Yeah, all right. He's

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a floppy hat, shoulder length hair, he's barefoot and

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<v Speaker 1>has ragged clothing. And the park ranger said, is there

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<v Speaker 1>a fish concert nearby? And she said, who's ish? And

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<v Speaker 1>he said it must have been a Civil War ghost. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they they Mark Nusbit said, she basically just described what

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<v Speaker 1>a first Texas Confederate soldier would have looked like at

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<v Speaker 1>the Battle of Gettysburg. Case closed the end. Ghosts exist, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and this one and he was helpful hippie because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's telling everyone where to go, like, hey, you're lost,

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<v Speaker 1>just go over that rock over there, you'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But he also looked like a hippie exactly right. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is another good one. I think this was about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years after that one. Another woman comes up to Nesbit.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's got a lot of great stories. Well, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>he collected him a multi volume series called The Ghost

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<v Speaker 1>of Gettysburg. She said she was in the Devil's Den

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<v Speaker 1>hiking around and a raggedy man with a floppy hat appeared,

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<v Speaker 1>pointed she was a University of Texas graduate I think

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<v Speaker 1>had a Texas sweatshirt on at least, and he pointed

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<v Speaker 1>at it and said first Texas and disappeared. He went disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, uh, surely that was a first Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Confederate soldier named the helpful Hippie. I think it was. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>She described it in the same way floppy hat, disheveled, barefoot,

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<v Speaker 1>rob right, and again he was really into Texas. So

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<v Speaker 1>I really feel like we're testing the boundaries of credibility

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<v Speaker 1>here at this point. But that doesn't mean that there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people that go to Gettysburg every year.

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<v Speaker 1>Um who do say. I've had a weird experience there.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't necessarily see anything, but my camera didn't work

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<v Speaker 1>on my phone, or my straight up camera didn't work,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the original ones, the straight up camera or

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<v Speaker 1>the battery started to fail on my phone. But weirdly,

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<v Speaker 1>once I left Devil's Den or the battle or the battlefield,

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<v Speaker 1>like my phone sort of working, my camera started working.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it didn't like to work there in that area.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark did Mark Nesbit, being the author of a multi

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<v Speaker 1>volume series called The Ghost of Gettysburg Um says, I

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<v Speaker 1>got it. I know exactly what's going on here. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we taking a break? No, I'm setting you up again.

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<v Speaker 1>So he said, there's this famous photo that was taken

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<v Speaker 1>at Devil's Den of a falling Confederate soldier, uh lying

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<v Speaker 1>at where he was positioned as a sharpshooter but dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and he that you can look this picture up. I

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<v Speaker 1>looked it up. It's fairly creepy looking. It's very well

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<v Speaker 1>known image, but it was found out to be staged. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>not that this guy wasn't really dead, but this photographer

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<v Speaker 1>apparently dragged around this same dead soldier two different spots

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<v Speaker 1>for different photo ops, and this was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>places he dragged him. So Nesbit's idea here is this

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<v Speaker 1>whole cameras won't work thing is revenge against the photographer. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>From being he was basically like Jude Law and Road

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<v Speaker 1>to Perdition or something. I don't remember that movie well

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<v Speaker 1>enough to get that reference. He was a crime scene photographer.

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<v Speaker 1>He murdered people. Oh um, pictures of him yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a he's a bad guy. Um, I don't think this

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<v Speaker 1>guy murdered anybody, but surely dragging a body around it's

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<v Speaker 1>just bad karma, I would think so. But um so,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's about it. There's plenty of ghosts there.

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<v Speaker 1>You can walk around Double's Den yourself and figure out

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<v Speaker 1>if you have camera problems, or if you have problems

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<v Speaker 1>with your phone, or if you see the helpful hippie

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<v Speaker 1>or somebody grabs your ankle, give it a shot. All

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<v Speaker 1>you have to do is go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. True.

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<v Speaker 1>And for the record, we should point out the American

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<v Speaker 1>Battlefield Trust, which is in charge of preserving that historic site, says,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, no such thing as ghosts, right, no

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<v Speaker 1>such things. Because they said, um, I love this quote,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta read it real quick. Okay, okay, they said that, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>by all means, believe what you want to believe. But

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<v Speaker 1>please know that if water gets on a camera lens,

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<v Speaker 1>it's water, not a ghostly orb. If sunshines into the

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<v Speaker 1>camera lens, it's called sunlight, not an energy sphere. They

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<v Speaker 1>dropped their microphone, that's right, locked off. Well, we're dropping

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<v Speaker 1>our microphone too. You can read a pretty interesting little

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<v Speaker 1>Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite shows. H