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Speaker 1: Happy Monday, everybody, and welcome to another episode of Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff live right here on giants dot com Schmilk

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Speaker 1: ultimate v I P game they experienced courtesy of course

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Speaker 1: four for more details. Lance. The Giants lose to the

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Speaker 1: Vikings at home to ten. I would say the game

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Speaker 1: is probably a little bit closer than the score might indicate.

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Speaker 1: The Giants had around twelve plays in the red zone

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Speaker 1: in in the second half and came with only one

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Speaker 1: field goal out of those two chances, So I feel

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Speaker 1: like they were knocking on the door a little bit

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Speaker 1: more than the score might indicate. But a fairly comprehensive

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Speaker 1: win by the Vikings. You know, obviously you can't tell

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Speaker 1: everything by total yardage, but if you just look at

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Speaker 1: the total yardage, four Minnesota to eleven for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: so really offensively, the Vikings moved the ball pretty much

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Speaker 1: however they wanted over the course of the game. And

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Speaker 1: as we talked about a lot last week with this matchup,

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Speaker 1: and as we talked about matchups and opponents matter in

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Speaker 1: this league. Daniel Jones had a struggles with an excellent

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Speaker 1: Vikings defense. Yeah, Vikings are just the fundamentally sound defense. John,

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Speaker 1: We talked an awful lot about it. You're talking about

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Speaker 1: a group that's been together for multiple seasons, and they

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Speaker 1: showed the coach they all correct, They were well prepared,

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Speaker 1: and they executed very Also the key operating term here,

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Speaker 1: a very astute head coach in Mike Zimmer. Yes, very astute,

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Speaker 1: correct exactly, And we didn't know who was gonna have

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Speaker 1: the advantage because the two of them had been together

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Speaker 1: on the same staff, Pat Shermer and Mike Zimmer. But

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Speaker 1: it played out clearly in favor of Mike Zimmer, at

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Speaker 1: least in their first head to head matchups since they

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Speaker 1: worked together in Minnesota. But you know, you, I think

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Speaker 1: in on a key point here, John, the Giants had

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Speaker 1: opportunities in this game. Okay, the numbers certainly show a

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Speaker 1: huge disparity, but the two red zone opportunities. You come

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Speaker 1: through with those opportunities. I mean, we can sit here

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Speaker 1: all day and play the cold would have should have game,

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Speaker 1: but who knows, who knows how momentum shifts. It's an

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Speaker 1: eighteen ten game. Okay, the Giants get into the red

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Speaker 1: zone and the Vikings they're doing everything in their power.

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Speaker 1: John to tell the Giants take it please a lot

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Speaker 1: by the way to get in the end zone. A

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Speaker 1: lot of penalties on the Vikings in this game, and

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Speaker 1: get folks. Vikings the twelve penalties for a hundred and

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Speaker 1: twelve yards. So the Vikings had some mental lapses, some mishaps,

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Speaker 1: and the Giants were knocking on the door. So you

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Speaker 1: get in the red zone, you have to settle for

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Speaker 1: a field goal. Aldrick Rosas makes the field goal from

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Speaker 1: twenty eight yards and then Linville Joseph, the former Giant,

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Speaker 1: unnecessary roughness on a special teams play, So now they

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Speaker 1: get a fresh set of downs. John, it's first then

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Speaker 1: goal from the five, So now you have at least

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Speaker 1: three more opportunities to punch it in. And here's where

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Speaker 1: you start moving backwards versus forwards. And this is what

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Speaker 1: has earth the Giants, John, even in years past, this

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Speaker 1: wasn't just an issue yesterday. How many times have we

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Speaker 1: seen red zone opportunities, penalties, sacks given up, mental mistakes,

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Speaker 1: high throws. That's what killed the Giants yesterday And there's

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Speaker 1: a lot to unpack from that sequence, So let's kind

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Speaker 1: of go through some of the big plays and then

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Speaker 1: we'll touch on a plane. In the first half, I

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Speaker 1: uh in that first I think it was second quarter,

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Speaker 1: but we'll go through that deal. In the red zone

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Speaker 1: here were very quickly. They only ran the ball lands

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Speaker 1: three times in the red zone, and of those eight plays,

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Speaker 1: that's where the Wayne Goldman injury hurt them a little

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Speaker 1: So I can't speak to that. But the Vikings did

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Speaker 1: it was a miss. It happens, and then Jones makes

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Speaker 1: then I'll go back to the first half. Lance, they

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Speaker 1: had a chance. In the second quarter, Sterling Shepherd runs

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Speaker 1: too strong. He probably overthrown by about a six inches

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Speaker 1: It happens sometimes, Yeah. And when those add up, though, John,

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Speaker 1: in a game where you're having trouble running the football,

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Speaker 1: you're having trouble creating takeaways, you're having trouble stopping the run,

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Speaker 1: this is where it comes back to bite you. And

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Speaker 1: it comes back to aren't you You can't make mistakes

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Speaker 1: against a fundamentally sound team like the Vikings like that,

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Speaker 1: and expect there to be multiple opportunities throughout the course

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Speaker 1: think we pretty much talked about all these missed opportunities offense,

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Speaker 1: thirty times when you play the Vikings and you have

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Speaker 1: to contain Dalvin Cook and they weren't able to contain

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, and not just as a runner, John, When

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Speaker 1: number one, he had to play from behind, which was

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Speaker 1: what happened in the Vikings two losses. Kirk Cousins and

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Speaker 1: Vikings didn't face a lot of overwhelming third downs, John,

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Speaker 1: You know they were always within striking distance, and that

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Speaker 1: top of that, the safety was probably the biggest shift

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Speaker 1: of momentum that you're gonna find in this game, regardless

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Speaker 1: of what happened on offensive defense, because Jabrill Peppers makes

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Speaker 1: a sensational play you couldn't have asked for better positioning,

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Speaker 1: really would have made this game lopsided. You get the

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just Bar coming up the middle. Harrison Smith

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Speaker 1: He didn't have a chance on the play. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: What do you expect him to do to circumstances, he

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Speaker 1: didn't have a chance So that's the offense, folks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they played well, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: it was an epic disaster either. Uh. Daniel Jones got pressured,

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Speaker 1: Uh this morning, he got pressured on seven teen of

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Speaker 1: Daniel Hunter sacking for ten yards. So we talked about

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Speaker 1: part of that was because of what the Giants did

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Speaker 1: on defense. I don't want to take anything away from them.

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Speaker 1: And here's the other kicker. You went from playing a

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Speaker 1: receiving corps that was missing Terry McLaurin and missing Jordan

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Speaker 1: Reeds now going to Adam Feeland and Stefon Diggs to

436
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Speaker 1: one thousand yard receivers. Okay, so that was a significant

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Speaker 1: upgrade that you had to now adjust to. And then

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Speaker 1: you add the miss tackles on top of that that's

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Speaker 1: very difficult to overcome. And throwing the fact that the

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Speaker 1: Redskins offensive line was a mash unit. And then yeah,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota just got its right guard back, Josh Klein, who

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Speaker 1: didn't play, by the way against the Chicago Bears, which

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Speaker 1: would explain why Kirk Cousins with sacks six times. But

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Speaker 1: speaking of burying the leads, another aspect connected to the

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Speaker 1: defense here which we should have let off the program

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Speaker 1: with is the fact that we now have another game

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones at quarterback and the defense not necessarily

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Speaker 1: executing so two zero five, one three. I'm anxious to

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Speaker 1: hear the explanations. I just didn't see the motivation, whether

450
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Speaker 1: or not the defense was motivated enough to play hard

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Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones. Did we miss that for a week.

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Speaker 1: Very anxious to hear that hashtag Giants chat. By the way,

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, we're gonna read plenty of reactions with respect

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Speaker 1: to that narrative, because don't worry, that is not going

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Speaker 1: to go away anytime soon. Go ahead, I'm sorry interrupt.

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Speaker 1: Do you have anything else you'd like to add that speech.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just enjoying the show. Okay, fair enough,

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Speaker 1: because you're taking your little victory laughs. It's not a victory,

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Speaker 1: is not do not interpret us victory that it's I

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Speaker 1: just want an explanation, that's all. I just want an explanation.

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Speaker 1: A couple other nuggets. I want to talk about some

462
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Speaker 1: of the individual performances. Oshane Zimmenez in this game, he

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Speaker 1: started for Lorenzo Carter who was out with with the

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Speaker 1: neck injury. And we should point out to the Giants

465
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Speaker 1: were just hamstrung along linebacker. I mean they were down

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Speaker 1: to uh Nate Stupar, josiataw Fa Stuparntowa kind of split

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Speaker 1: snaps in the second half, and then David Mayo was

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Speaker 1: their mic linebacker and they did the best they could,

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Speaker 1: but you know, the offensive lineman got out on them

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Speaker 1: on block sometimes. And I want to give the Vikings

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Speaker 1: credit to a lot of people talked about how the

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Speaker 1: Vikings were gonna just run and run and run it

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Speaker 1: and all day in this game, right, and they came

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Speaker 1: out first two players or play action passes, and I

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Speaker 1: think that really put some question marks in the heads

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Speaker 1: of some of the Giants defenders about whether or not

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Speaker 1: they could commit so hard to the run because they

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Speaker 1: were so effective on those play action passes and getting

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Speaker 1: those crossers going across the middle that then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, when the Vikings did start running the balls,

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, wait a second, is Cousin's gonna roll

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Speaker 1: out here? There's actually a play where they handed it

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Speaker 1: to Cook. He runs left and David Mayo is following

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins on the bootleg wild Cook's running the ball

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Speaker 1: up the middle. So that I thought was a really

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Speaker 1: nice wrinkling the game plan by Stefanski to keep the

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Speaker 1: Giants honest. Six of their first ten passes were play

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Speaker 1: action passes, and I think that was by design, and

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Speaker 1: I think when you have a team playing a lot

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Speaker 1: of inexperienced linebackers, I think that's a good way to go.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, real quick, Giant, you do that when you're

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Speaker 1: effective in running the football. Though. That was the other assets, Hetty,

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Speaker 1: and you know they're good at running, so they have

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Speaker 1: to respect the run game, and by then being effective

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Speaker 1: in the run game, it then continues to give you

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Speaker 1: opportunities for the midsdirection and the play action and you're right.

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Speaker 1: That opened up things immensely for the Minnesota Vikings. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's another reason why off the crossing routes,

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Speaker 1: guys like Adam Finland John and go untouched across the

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Speaker 1: field because to your point, the Giants defense is going

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Speaker 1: in one direction thinking Kirk is running that way, and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the play is developing on

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Speaker 1: the other the ring. So that really opened things out.

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Speaker 1: Eight of ten on play action passes for Cousins a

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Speaker 1: hundred thirty one yards and a touchdown, and four for

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Speaker 1: four for sixty five yards on screen passes, and that

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Speaker 1: goes back to the Giants being unable to tackle on

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Speaker 1: some of those screens. Now some individual performances which I

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Speaker 1: was trying to get to before, but then I distracted myself,

510
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Speaker 1: which is amazing how that happens. Um Dexter Lawrence had

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Speaker 1: a sack and a half in this game. Now one

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Speaker 1: of them was called back because of Generas Jenkins hands

513
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Speaker 1: the face penalty. The one that I got called back

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Speaker 1: to me was the most impressive one. He basically picked

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Speaker 1: up Josh Klein and carried him into the backfield to

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Speaker 1: get the sackles. Really, he's he's just really flash him

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Speaker 1: inside pass rush ability here and right now that seventeenth

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Speaker 1: overall pick looks like it was a right move. He's

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Speaker 1: played well. Oshane Zimmenez started for Lorenzo Carter, which I

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Speaker 1: started the state before. He did not play with the

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Speaker 1: neck injury. He played almost of the stops. I think

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Speaker 1: he had twenty two pass rushing STAPs. PFF didn't give

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Speaker 1: him one pressure, so I thought he was kind of

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Speaker 1: quiet on the day. He had one tackle on a

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Speaker 1: nice hustle play. I think it was a screen when

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Speaker 1: he came from behind the play. Um RJ McIntosh got

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Speaker 1: his first career sack. Marcus Golden beat Kyle Rudolph around

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Speaker 1: the edge for a sack. Four and a half on

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Speaker 1: the season. Now he's been their best pass for rusher,

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Speaker 1: which is not a surprise. We talked about that heading

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Speaker 1: into the year. Jibro Peppers, I think continues to look

532
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Speaker 1: better and better. I think he just looks more comfortable.

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Speaker 1: He's flying at the ball. He did miss a tackle

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Speaker 1: you mentioned on that one play from that was Cooks.

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Speaker 1: That was either Cook or Digs. I forget which one

536
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Speaker 1: going towards the sideline for a first down. But he's

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Speaker 1: running all over the place. He's making good plays and

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Speaker 1: then DeAndre Baker was just so up and down. He

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Speaker 1: makes a nice tackle, gets gold for a sportsman like conduct.

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Speaker 1: That was huge. He misses a tackle on a couple

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Speaker 1: other plays. Then you have a couple of plays in

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Speaker 1: coverage where he plays the guys really well. He stopped

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Speaker 1: to slant, He covered Digs on that one flyer at

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Speaker 1: on the left sideline really well, stopped a deep pass.

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Speaker 1: But then he gives up the touchdown the feeling on

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Speaker 1: a really nice pass from Cousins. It's a really high

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Speaker 1: level throws in this game. Bottle. He played well and

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Speaker 1: he got his feet down the back of the end zone.

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Speaker 1: So Baker has just gotta smooth out some of the

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Speaker 1: rough edges here. You see some of the coverage shows

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Speaker 1: coming of the forefront lance, but there's still some little

552
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Speaker 1: mistakes here that he has to iron down and get

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Speaker 1: more consistent. Yeah, it's similar to Daniel Jones. John, like

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Speaker 1: most rookies, you know, you don't want to see the

555
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: ups and downs the doctor Jacko, Mr. Hyde. You want

556
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Speaker 1: to see an even line. And I think you know,

557
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Speaker 1: we're seeing some positive flashes at the same time we're

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Speaker 1: seeing him resort back to some of his struggles. The

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Speaker 1: Baker on sportsman like conduct penalty, and we could sit

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Speaker 1: here in debate whether or not it was ticky tacky.

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Speaker 1: I know Jabrill Peppers was defending him in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: did not think that it was an outrageous performance by

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Speaker 1: Baker after the fact, and that it was just an

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Speaker 1: official really putting them into the microscope. But here's where

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Speaker 1: five penalties for the Giants is not an overwhelming number, John,

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Speaker 1: but I would argue they all came at the worst

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Speaker 1: possible time to help the Vikings extend drive. So we

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Speaker 1: talked about how the Vikings committed penalties to allow the

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Speaker 1: Giants to extend drives and the Giants could not capitalize.

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Speaker 1: While on the flip side, the Giants committed some penalties.

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Speaker 1: Genores Jenkins had a holding call on a third down

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Speaker 1: that gave the Vikings a free first down, and then

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Speaker 1: the Baker one was on a second and eleven. So

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Speaker 1: you're talking about Minnesota and maybe now facing a third

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Speaker 1: and very long, and now it becomes an automatic first

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Speaker 1: down because of the fifteen yard games. So you know,

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Speaker 1: those are the types of things where, yeah, they may

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Speaker 1: bee tiki tacky, but if the official is gonna call it,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be careful of whether or not you celebrate prematurely,

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Speaker 1: because all that's gonna do is now give a luxury

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Speaker 1: to the opposition which you can't afford to hand out.

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Speaker 1: All right, we went a little bit longer than I

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Speaker 1: wanted to do do their folks, but I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a lot of important stuff we did to get in

585
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Speaker 1: regards to game, when I remind you, Big Blue Kick

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Speaker 1: four six four for more details. Dre in Atlanta. Will

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Speaker 1: lead us off today on the show Dre. What's going on? Hey,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Lance, how's it going? What's upright? D now? Mind? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to touch on on the defense. It

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00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: is what it is. But what I what I would

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00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: like to see from our offense is not only you know,

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00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: better execution on on the coach side, a little creativity.

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Speaker 1: Now as much as I don't want, as much as

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Speaker 1: I don't want Daniel Jones to run, but there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of times withduring play action he is wide

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Speaker 1: open coming around. Um, I want to see more naked boots.

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Speaker 1: You know, Minnesota did a good job containing him in

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Speaker 1: case he ran, but we could have schemed him open

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Speaker 1: on runs, especially at the goal line. Even though you know, um,

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Speaker 1: I think if we had the pocket pushed over to

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Speaker 1: the right, I mean to the left side and he

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Speaker 1: came around the backside. Because from looking at the film,

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Speaker 1: even though they seem like order order defenders converged on

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Speaker 1: Hillman and Jones was by himself. I think we just

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Speaker 1: have to do a better job and you know, utilizing

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Speaker 1: you know, Dani Joel on skill set, but not making

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Speaker 1: an habitual thing to It's part of a scheme, but

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Speaker 1: you know, throw something in there. Let's throw a little

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Speaker 1: wrinkling there to keep the defense honest. Just f y.

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Speaker 1: I Jones ran ten play action passes in the game

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Speaker 1: and Cousins ran ten, So they basically ran the same

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Speaker 1: number of play action passes, right, but I instead of

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Speaker 1: past and I would like for him to keep it

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00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: and well but opposed. Yeah, but that that has to

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Speaker 1: be available to you. I don't think you want to

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Speaker 1: run a lot of design runs for Daniel Jones here.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the key to the Giants victory.

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Speaker 1: It might be the key to get Daniel Jones hurt.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a key to winning. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that no, I don't want to,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, he's not you guys have came to

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Speaker 1: the side. But what I'm saying is as diggressive as

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Speaker 1: Minnesota's defenses, that is a wrinkle that we could exploit it.

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Speaker 1: It couldn't. You didn't have to continuously run it, but

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Speaker 1: all you gotta do is once just to get come

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Speaker 1: thinking well. I think they were thinking, well, but see

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Speaker 1: dre he I think the Vikings were well prepared for

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Speaker 1: him to do that because, as we mentioned, you really

632
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Speaker 1: had a linebacker shadowing him for the majority of the game,

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Speaker 1: and there were times where he was rolling out and

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00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: he was thinking about running and the linebacker or even

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Speaker 1: sometimes the defensive lineman converged on it in his grille.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have much flexibility. If you go back and

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Speaker 1: you watch a lot of the plays, now, if you

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Speaker 1: want to run, you want to run some read options

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Speaker 1: in the run game. Is that what you're thinking, Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, well, if you want to run a couple

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Speaker 1: of those, I see where you're coming from on that.

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Speaker 1: They didn't really run many read options over the course

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Speaker 1: of the game. If you want to try that, I

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Speaker 1: can see it. Remember they only ran one of those

645
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Speaker 1: in his first two games. I think the only true

646
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: read option where he kept it was the touchdown against Tampa,

647
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly. So that's something they haven't done

648
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: a lot of. I'm just look, Drake. Maybe you can

649
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: call me a traditionalist if you want. I'm not Paulatino now,

650
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: but I don't like putting you pipe down over there.

651
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't like putting the football in the hands of

652
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: my quarterback to take a pounding. I'm very leary of that.

653
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: I understand your point, and I'm not saying you're wrong,

654
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: but I'm just a couple of times here there maybe,

655
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: but it can't be a prominent part of the game plan. Yeah,

656
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't want to

657
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: be a prominent part of the game plan. But it's

658
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: a wrinkle, you know, and you can you can kind

659
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: of avoid injury if if your runs aren't up the middle,

660
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: if it's geared towards the styline, so you can run

661
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: to stay be you know, it's it's a whether he

662
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: gets four or five yards or three yards, it's still

663
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: moving the ball forward, you know, and it still loosens

664
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: up the defense. It may bring that safety in a

665
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: little bit more. You know, is going to bring that up. Yeah,

666
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring up the Mason Rudolph situation yesterday.

667
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: And he's not necessarily a roaming mobile quarterback. And you know,

668
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: I took a big hit from Earl Thomas, so you know,

669
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are dropping like flies. I just don't think it's

670
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: taking a chance more often than not with your quarterback.

671
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: And you know, Dre the last caller talked about, well,

672
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: if you have the designed run towards the sideline. There's

673
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: a lot of fast defensive players the last time I

674
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: checked in the National Football League, John, and they could

675
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: catch up with you relatively quickly and still get a

676
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: hit on you before you run out of play. Well, look,

677
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: if you want to want one or two read options

678
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: in the red zone when you think you might be

679
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: able to get a couple of yards and score touchdown,

680
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: I get it. I don't. I don't think it's an

681
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: absurd suggestion. I could see it. But again, as and

682
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: this wasn't what Dreys was suggesting, But you just have

683
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: to be careful about doing it too much. You don't

684
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: want to put your quarterback in gage. Well, but remember

685
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: another part of this is that I think some of

686
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: us are over looking is that becomes that much more effective, John,

687
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: when you're running the ball. Well, okay, and the Giants

688
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: didn't have consistency on the ground, especially after Wayne Goleman

689
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: unfortunately got hurt with a concussion. So you know, they

690
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: had some decent runs with Hillaman and Penny towards the

691
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: end of the game where they had I think back

692
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: to back six yard run. If you take out Jones's

693
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: eight yards scramble in the first alf there were eight

694
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: rushes for twenty four yards. I mean, who's that going

695
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: to fool? You think Mike Zimmer and George Edwards, the

696
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: defense reccording to the Vikings are gonna be overly concerned

697
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: about being caught off guard when they know the Giants

698
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: have effectively not run the football. That's a big part

699
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: of strategy. It's great to have all of these tricks.

700
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: If you're not gonna fool anybody, what good is it.

701
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: The Giants did run it twenty times. Obviously you have

702
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: to pass them once you get down multiple scores in

703
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: the second half, so they tried to be balanced. It

704
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: just it just didn't work. They couldn't get the run

705
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: game going, which against the good Vikings defensive front, I

706
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: suppose is not that big of a surprise. Let's go

707
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: back to the phones at two oh one, nine, nine, four,

708
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Speaker 1: five one three. Kevin in New Jersey is up next.

709
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Speaker 1: Hey Kevin, how how you guys doing today? What now?

710
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: I just want a bullet point before our bullet point

711
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: on the Vikings defense. I'm gonna go ahead and state

712
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: the obvious, and I'm talking to g nation. I'm gonna say,

713
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: don't be astounded by yesterday's loss, and I'm a state

714
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: the obvious is which the Giants clearly could have won

715
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: this football game. And I'm gonna tell you why. Pat

716
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: Shermot he used to I understand offense will coordinate for

717
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, so I was focused in on that

718
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: as we went into this game team with no sequon Barkley.

719
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: Then again, Wayne Goldman got hurt um, so I was

720
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: focused on how he was gonna switch things around. Familiar

721
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: with this group, so he did an excellent job. Okay

722
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: hide uh in the screens, Uh, Daniel clearly missed Chef

723
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: on to what could have been potentially two touchdown passes.

724
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: And from DJ's experience, I have all confidence that getting

725
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: ready for build check this Thursday, he's gonna flush that

726
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: and get ready with his confidence can get right back

727
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: out there to it. So I'm saying, g Nation, don't

728
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: be so much astounded now as a bullet point on

729
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: the Vikings. Okay, this group has been most of this

730
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: group has been together for at least eight years, and

731
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the Vikings play in a while, and

732
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and telling myself, like, wow, these some

733
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: of these guys are still on the team who who

734
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: were with far even Percy Hart, and I'm like, oh man,

735
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: so I'm just like, I'm just like, they're they're an

736
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: excellent group. So if I'm g nation, don't be so astounded,

737
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: as we got a locker room that does not like

738
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: to lose. And and with all confidence, I'm confident that

739
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: they're going to get back out there this Thursday, as

740
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: it's always interesting to see us play the Patriots. So

741
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: what's your guys take? No, Look, you're right, and look,

742
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: we we try to be honest with the fans going

743
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: into these games, and a lot of times the fans

744
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: don't like it. And Kevin, you're right. Cut into this

745
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: game last week, we sat there and we tried to

746
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: tell people that the Vikings are a very difficult opponent

747
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: and this was a very difficult game. And if you

748
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: expected them to march the ball up and down the

749
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: field offensively, it wasn't gonna happen. You're only gonna get

750
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: a handful if that, you know, probably two or three

751
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: opportunities over the game to make big players or score.

752
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: And if you miss a couple of those opportunities, like

753
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Jones did. To your point, you're gonna have trouble scoring points.

754
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: The Vikings are too good to give you multiple opportunities

755
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: to put points on the board. And the Vikings made

756
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: the plays when they had to win this game. And

757
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: the Giants then, yeah, they don't give up a lot

758
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: of explosive plays. So if you have an opportunity to

759
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: get an explosive player or a touchdown down the field,

760
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: you gotta come through with it, because they're not gonna

761
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: then gift wrap another opportunity down the road of the game.

762
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: And that clearly was spelled out in this and Kevin,

763
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: you made a good point. There was a path to

764
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: victory here. Now even if they make those two plays,

765
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: is it to guarantee the Giants win the game. No,

766
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: but they're in position to try to win the game

767
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: in the second half. It would have been a one

768
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: possession game more likely than not. That was pretty cool.

769
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: And on one thing I wanted to mention too, was

770
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: Darius late In. Um know, I could put it to

771
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: the Vikings secondary. They played our receivers very physical, very well.

772
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: Um Vikings did have a couple of personal fouls, But

773
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: you gotta come out there and if you get your

774
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: hands on it, you know, catch the ball like I said,

775
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: I think our guys are going to be ready for

776
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: the Patriot. Thank you, Kevin, appreciate the call. It's certainly

777
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: gonna be another difficult task. I would not question this

778
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: team's fight. I think Patremer has been very pleased with

779
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: the fight John, and he's echoed those sentiments whether it

780
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: be a win or loss, because I think this group

781
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: is young, so you know, they're learning as they go,

782
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: and I think that they don't necessarily get caught up

783
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: in one game because they understand that as you go

784
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: through the ups and downs, there's gonna be high notes,

785
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: there's gonna be low notes, and you've got to digest

786
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: it and move on quickly. So yeah, I think this

787
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: team is gonna bounce back Thursday night. It's just gonna

788
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: be another very challenging defense that Daniel Jones and his

789
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: offense is going to have to solve because New England

790
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: is a really good secondary that this is a physically

791
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: minded team. They get after the quarterback and it's another

792
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: one of the those teams. If you get opportunities John

793
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: in the red zone against the Patriots, you have to

794
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: take advantage of them. Because Tom Brady and company have

795
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: looked really good on the offensive side of the ball,

796
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: and they've looked really good on the defensive audible, nobody's

797
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: stowing a passing touchdown against them. They have two touchdowns

798
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: that they've allowed. It's been two rushing plays sims for

799
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: the Redskins this past Sunday, and Josh Allen ran in

800
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: for a touchdown for the Buffalo Bills. That's it, Yeah,

801
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: I retweeted. Um. Mike Tanier had put up a tweet

802
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: earlier today if I can find it, and I think

803
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: I retweeted that on my feet if I'm not mistaken,

804
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: but I will try to bring it up here if

805
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: I can find it. Um about the Patriots defense, and

806
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: then some of the numbers they gave up this year.

807
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: It is Patriots opposing quarterbacks this year. Now, keep in

808
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: mind they haven't played the best teams. They played the Jets,

809
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: they played the Dolphins. I get it. Okay, they did

810
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: play Ben Roethlisberger in that mixed too, by the way,

811
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: but the other guys are they great? No to play

812
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: the Redskins this week? Okay, I get it. That's fine.

813
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: That being said, opposing quarterbacks of the Patriots this year

814
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: passer rating of forty four, no touchdowns, eleven interceptions, fifty

815
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: percent completion rate, five point four yards per tempt. That's absurd. Yeah,

816
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 1: you could make an argument. I know it's still early,

817
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: but I mean this could go down as one of

818
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: the best defenses that Belichick has coached and Brady's played with.

819
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: That's how good this group has been. This goes back

820
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: to early Patriots when Brady was kind of getting carried

821
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: by the defensive back in the day with the Tay

822
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: Laws and the Teddy Brushkis and the Mike Rabels and

823
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: the lawyer Malloy's and you know all those guys. Now,

824
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: there's one team that was effective against the New England

825
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: Patriots thus far, and that one team is the Buffalo Bills,

826
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: which the Giants had trouble with putting points on the board.

827
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: And it's no coincidence Buffalo's got one of the best

828
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: defenses in the NFL. Yeah. So that performance against the

829
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: Vikings yesterday, where miss tackles were occurring, big plays were allowed,

830
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: chunk yardage plays, you just can't give that up to

831
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and company. Because Brady gets rid of the

832
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: football very quickly. They have a plethora of different running

833
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: backs that they're gonna utilize and Philip dor said, I

834
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: know was banged up yesterday. So you know, when they

835
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: lose out on a personnel and the wide receiving corps,

836
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: they tend to use a running back as a wide

837
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: receiver because James White, so be cautious of that. And

838
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: when you think about what Dalvin Cook did, That's why

839
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I bring this up, John, It is what Dalvid Cook

840
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: did as a receiver. It would not surprise me. New

841
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: England looks at the Giant struggles and says, let's get

842
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: the running back out in the flat, let's dump it off.

843
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: Let's see if they can tackle in open space the

844
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: way the Patriots use that short area, middle intermediate middle

845
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: of the field. Keeping on Ogletree and Tay Davis coming

846
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: back this week, they're gonna need them. Yeah, they're gonna

847
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: need They're gonna need them well. Because also remember the

848
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: guys that played a lot of snaps. You know, they're

849
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: trying to get over some of the bumps and bruises

850
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: that they just suffered on Sunday. Not to say that

851
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: anybody you know came out of the game in rough shape,

852
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: but it's a very quick turnaround for anybody that played

853
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: on Sunday, even if you're fully healthy coming out of

854
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: the game to A one nine four five one three

855
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: two A one nine four five one three let's go

856
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Speaker 1: to Will and Houston online three he's up next. Hey, Well, hey, guys,

857
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: appreciate you taking mccon to day. What's up, Will? Yeah?

858
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: So I'm one of those realist fans. I always always

859
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: go into a game hoping and expecting that we're gonna win.

860
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: But I'm also able to think objectively about who it

861
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: is we're playing as well too, and what we have

862
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: to offer. UM, So I'm not gonna sit here and

863
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: complain about what happened. UM going into and obviously having

864
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 1: the linebacking corp that we had to explained the mistackles,

865
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: it's difficult. I honestly think the defense played decent in

866
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: the first half, considering how long they were on the field. Four.

867
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: I think Pepper has played excellent well the way that

868
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: a lot of players trying to get developed as well.

869
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: Real quick though, Will, why do you think the defense

870
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: was on the field so much in the first half?

871
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: The opins wasn't able to get off, the wasn't able

872
00:40:53,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: to I can explain, why do you won the first

873
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: time the Vikings pumped in this game was it was

874
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: in the second half, fourth quarter. So on the Vikings

875
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: first five drives, they had on eleven play drive for

876
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: sixty two yards and eleven play drive for a hundred

877
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: and three yards, yeah, a hundred and three yards, and

878
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: eight play drive for fifty yards, a six play drive

879
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: for e d five yards, and a nine play drive

880
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: for forty nine yards, all of which ended in scores

881
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: except for the one, which was the Jibral Pepper's strip

882
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: fumble at the two yard line, which would have been

883
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: a score if not for that play. So the reason

884
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: the defense is on the field the whole first half

885
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: is because the defense couldn't get off the field the

886
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: whole first half because they just couldn't get a damn

887
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: stop when they needed one. It was like the Tampa

888
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: Bay first half all over again. Absolutely, that's the best

889
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: part I would I I agree with what you just said.

890
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I was happy and part

891
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: of how they played it because they weren't scoring touchdowns

892
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: on the first half, they were holding them the field goals,

893
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: And that's true, that is fair. Yeah, their red zone

894
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: defense was actually, are we good right about that? I agreed.

895
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: And then again moving from that again, when you don't

896
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: have a lot of help in the long backing cording

897
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot of miss tackles in the second half, but

898
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, they were on the field as often in

899
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: the in the second half because the offense was able

900
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: to sustaind those long drives, which was good um And

901
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: then the loss of wing Goldman obviously to seem quite

902
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: a bit as well too. When you have Millman and

903
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: penny um as you're leading rushers and you're not running

904
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: the ball effectively, it's kind of hurt as well too.

905
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: But well, and you also don't have a running back

906
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: that is a receiving threat too. That's where it hurts

907
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: because remember Goldman was a big part of the receiving

908
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: game last week against the Redskins, so that has to

909
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: allow the Vikings to account for that. And you know

910
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: the other thing, I will let you continue, will any

911
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: mean to cut you off, but when you know, we

912
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: focus on the injuries to the line banking corps, and

913
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: that certainly was a significant part of the storyline yesterday.

914
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: But remember there were also mis tackles on the part

915
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: of the secondary and they pretty much had everybody in

916
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: playing the secondary. So I'm not saying that it wouldn't

917
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: have helped if they would have had Ogletree and Tay Davis.

918
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: It's but these are the guys. But the secondary needs

919
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: to clean up some of the mistackling too, because that

920
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: was a big piece of the pie. But ahead no

921
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: argument there. Again, I'm just being a realist. I'm not

922
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: expecting our secondary to do things where I would be

923
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: I would be expecting our lineback and courter be better

924
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: if we had a better personnel that are in there

925
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: that weren't injured. Um moving on from that though, because

926
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: those are the things that I feel like you can't

927
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: really control. You can't control the injuries at that standpoint,

928
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: but the things that you can't control, and I think

929
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: that will happen with time. Again, we're a young team,

930
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: We're starting a rookie quarterback, and obviously it's great and

931
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: it's optimistic to be excited about his skill set. But

932
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: one of the things that I wanted to bring up specifically,

933
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: and again I don't want anyone to get the wrong

934
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: impression by saying this, because I am gonna harp on

935
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of an Eli Manning comparison here. One

936
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: of One of the things that I think that was

937
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: underrated and also underappreciated by this fan base was Eli's

938
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: ability to read a defense and being sactual after the

939
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: play and then also identify what the defense was make

940
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: calls and checks and also, um, have the protection aligned

941
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: the way that needs to be to keep the pressure

942
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: off of you. A lot of the our offensive line

943
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: is terrible situation I think comes down to a lack

944
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: of getting the proper protection the line pre snap. Um.

945
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: One of the things that I think could have been

946
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: different and that and that safety which was the turning

947
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: point in the game, was identify what the defense is

948
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: in prior to actually snapping the ball and then maybe

949
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: you can call a check there. And again I don't

950
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: know if that's a situation where Daniel Jones doesn't have

951
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: the freedom to do that or if he has not

952
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: an experienced to do that yet. UM. But then also

953
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: moving on from there against some of the other situations

954
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: where and there was one really good point where he

955
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: did that and I believe he got Everson Griffin's on

956
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: a owner an encroachment or a defensive all side, which

957
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: was great. That was the only time he had a

958
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: hard count the entire game and it worked really well.

959
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: So I think utilizing that more, being able to identify

960
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: what the defense is in, make your checks, who reads

961
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: your calls, and your protections pre snap will allow him

962
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: to be in a better situation to get the ball

963
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: out quicker, get into a better sence equation. And just

964
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: so everyone doesn't think I'm just being subjective, I do

965
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: have a couple of stats here. In the two games

966
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: that Eli play was twenty six times Daniel Jones. There's

967
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: actually plits more in two games and Daniel has been

968
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: blitzed into three games. However, ELI was hurried nine times

969
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: versus fourteen and only hit five times versus thirteen. So

970
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: being able to identify the pressure and get themselves in

971
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: the best possible alignment and package UM I think is

972
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: something that will come with time. I'm not saying it's

973
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: not going to happen, but it's also the things where

974
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: you have to accept that you have a rookie quarterback.

975
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: You can't do that yet, but that is a difference.

976
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: I think that UM could improve in our offense with

977
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, aside from the skill set difference. Now well,

978
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: and I think that's a real good point. Thanks for

979
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: the call, and we don't know what the right calls

980
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: are pre snap, what he's calling, what he's not calling,

981
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: what he can do, what he can do, what he

982
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: can change into, what he can't. That's something that's so

983
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: inside the game where we just don't know, and there's

984
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: no way first and unless I'm wearing the headset with

985
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: the offensive coaching staffing the game. So yes, I agree.

986
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: I I can't tell you whether or not Daniel Jones

987
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 1: is doing a great job with that or not. Could

988
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: he have changed out of that play at the goal line.

989
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: Maybe you know one of our people tweeting here didn't

990
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: like the call from coach Shermer with that running play

991
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: in that situation, Danny d n y g b k N.

992
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: So if you want to look at the coach on that,

993
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: you can to me, that's a lack of execution, not

994
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: blocking the guys up front more than it is a

995
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: play call. But again that's something that is more inside

996
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: than than I really have enough insight to give you.

997
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: But I do think that is something people were under

998
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: appreciated with with Eli Manning in terms of his ability

999
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: to get into the right play and move into better plays.

1000
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: And again Daniel could very will be doing a fantastic

1001
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: job of that too. I just don't know. Lance doesn't know.

1002
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: There's no way for us to know that. But yeah,

1003
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll get better at that as he goes along,

1004
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. Um. But in terms of

1005
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: the blitz rate versus the number of pressures and snaps

1006
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: and all that stuff we talked about it, Eli was

1007
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: really good about getting the ball out of his hand

1008
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: real fast. He did not hold the football lands he

1009
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: got it. Of course, he was training condition from four

1010
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: years of being a pincushion back there, but he knew

1011
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: how to get the ball out of there quick right.

1012
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: Jones still sometimes can hold the ball a little bit

1013
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: longer then maybe he should, and that resulted a couple

1014
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: more pressures. And same thing with mobile quarterbacks. If you

1015
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: have legs and you're trying to extend plays, you're gonna

1016
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: hold the ball longer and that's gonna write more pressure

1017
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: and more hurries, more sax, more quarterback kits. Just like

1018
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: we see what the Deshaun Watson's the world and you

1019
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: know guys like that, Yeah, Deshaun Watson and Dak Prescott

1020
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 1: where two of the most sack quarterbacks likes and Russell Wilson,

1021
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson's another guy in the conversation. So that's

1022
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: a product of being a guy that leaves the pocket.

1023
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna expose yourself to more hits. Eli wasn't exposing

1024
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: himself with respect to that facet. And again that's not

1025
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: a that's not a bad thing. If you guys coming

1026
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: at you, you you want him to run and create stuff.

1027
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: But sometimes those guys will sometimes be so confident in

1028
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: their mobility that they will hold the ball long. Yeah.

1029
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: Well that's the give and take relationship that you have

1030
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: with mobile quarterback. The good is extending plays John leading

1031
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: to positive maybe explosive plays Finger, but the negative is

1032
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: holding onto the football a little too long, giving the

1033
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: defense and opportunity come after you, and then you wind

1034
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: up taking a sack, which we saw a little bit

1035
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: with respect to Daniel Jones. As far as making the

1036
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: adjustments of the line of scrimmage, we can't tell anything,

1037
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: but I do think it's fitter to say, as he's

1038
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: exposed to different defensive alignments in personnel, he's absorbing more

1039
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: intellect and that will only better suit him down the road.

1040
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: And here's another telling thing which speaks volumes of what

1041
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: the call are just echoed. If you listen to what

1042
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,959
Speaker 1: a lot of the players talked about as Daniel Jones

1043
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: was getting ready for his first start, or when the

1044
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: media has asked the players, you know, what does Eli

1045
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: do on the sideline now that he's the backup quarterback?

1046
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: The high praise is all about his intellect, and Wayne

1047
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: Goldman was even quote as saying, I go to Eli

1048
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: even for running back questions because he knows everything inside

1049
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: and out about the offense. I didn't see that as

1050
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: that even said that, so that to me, I think

1051
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: it's been well documented. But I always think it's interesting

1052
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: when the players are saying that that he's now an

1053
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: extension of the coaching staff because he's been so experienced

1054
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: in making those adjust spence throughout the course of his career.

1055
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: And Boy Barkley said that too, that Eli was his

1056
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: best resource on the team in terms of learning how

1057
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: to be a pro and learning the offense. And again,

1058
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: everything that we've seen from Daniel tells me that he's

1059
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: going to be that guy too. If he's not that

1060
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: guy a writing it, we just don't know. I do

1061
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: know what Duke under David Cuckliffe. He made his own

1062
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: calls of the line called protections and stuff, which is

1063
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that Giants liked them thought he

1064
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: was so pro ready is that he had to do

1065
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: those pro things at the college level in Duke. Let's

1066
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: go to Scott in New Mexico. He's up next on

1067
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: Big Look at Golf Live. He's got you doing. I

1068
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: think the callers as well as there sells me some

1069
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: really valid points. To be honest with you, I'm just

1070
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: really mad and I'm just gonna invent a little bit.

1071
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: That's okay too. Go ahead, where we're here for therapy.

1072
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: What's up, John? I think your point about the past

1073
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: defense is accurate. They in the league. But what's most

1074
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: disturbing the statistic you read on completion average, which was

1075
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: nine actually nine point seven, and that means that every

1076
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: time somebody throws a pass against the Giants, it's the

1077
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: first down. And I don't know if you know that

1078
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: twenty four passes have been complete against the Giants secondary

1079
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: for over twenty yards and seven have been completed over

1080
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: forty yards. That's the worst in the NFL. It's worse

1081
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: than Miami. Uh, And I'm just fit to be tied

1082
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: because I've been complained about the same thing since the

1083
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. And when is the expiration date

1084
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: going to run out on these excuses as to when

1085
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: the secondary can actually start performing. I don't think beaten again, Uh,

1086
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: he didn't effect us last week, but he was beaten

1087
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: again badly again. And I saw the play with DeAndre

1088
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: Baker against him and when he caught the touchdown and

1089
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: instead of and I think Charles Davis made the same comment,

1090
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: instead of sort of running with him, he sort of

1091
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,479
Speaker 1: tried to tackle him when the play was virtually over.

1092
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: And I'm saying to myself, when how do you correct this?

1093
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in saying they're bad or good, but

1094
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: what are the correctable elements so that this doesn't go

1095
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: on at nauseam for the rest of the season. And

1096
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: I was wondering, if you have a perspective on this, well,

1097
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good question, Scott, And if

1098
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: we had the right answers, we would be probably getting

1099
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: paid as as coaches in the NFL. It was through

1100
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: the roof because I keep watching these games and I

1101
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: think there worser and I want to put a little

1102
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: astress because I agree with you answer. If there's no

1103
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: Wayne Gallman, you don't have a receiving halfback where you

1104
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: don't have a guy that can get you some yardage,

1105
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: there might be an abstress to why the Giants performed offensively,

1106
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: but defensively, there's no damn excuse at this point. And

1107
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, where are the correctable measures that James

1108
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: Speccher is supposed to be that he's supposed to be

1109
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: recognized well. And here's the things good and I mentioned

1110
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: this to the Giants have changed their strategy, so his

1111
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: defensive tactics have changed. The first two and a half

1112
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: games this year, he ran a lot more man to

1113
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: man and he was probably one of the heaviest blitz

1114
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinators in the league. He would send pressure constantly,

1115
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: have a gay guys play man, and they get toasted.

1116
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Since then, he's gone to very little blitzing and more

1117
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: of his own scheme. It worked well for you know,

1118
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: a game and a half, give or take, and then

1119
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: this week defense got toasted. So he's trying to find

1120
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: what works to work to his player's strengths. But look,

1121
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: we knew going into the year you have a lot

1122
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: of young guys, right, it's gonna take a guy like Baker.

1123
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: He's gonna have some rough goal of it. The first

1124
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: half of the year, you would have liked to have

1125
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: more good than bad, and there's been too much bad.

1126
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: No one would argue that. But you hope he gets

1127
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: better as he gets more experience, and you know, maybe

1128
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: at some point Julian Love proves he's good enough to

1129
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: get on the field or there as a slock corner

1130
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: or a safety. And Corey Valentine too, is another guy,

1131
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: another guy there. They're the coaches don't think they're there

1132
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: at this point because the Giants aren't out of this season.

1133
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: It's two and three. They're still in it. And I'm

1134
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: not a big believer in what's going to happen next

1135
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: year or the year after that, because I don't know

1136
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: what the Giants will look like next year or the

1137
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: year after that. An injury or something else deflate them

1138
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: next year of the year after that. Of course, it's Scott.

1139
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I guarantee, James Betcher's sitting there, slam

1140
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: his head against the table, trying to figure these things out.

1141
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: And if he thought there are other guys in this

1142
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: roster that would be better options of what they're trying

1143
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: to do. He go to them. I mean he he

1144
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: clearly isn't shy about playing young players. Look at all

1145
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: the snaps Dexter Lawrence is getting on Chase Emanz is

1146
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: getting DeAndre Baker is getting even Peppers to an extent,

1147
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: He's only a third year guy. So these guys are

1148
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: getting plenty of snaps that are young. And if they

1149
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: think Love and Balentine are better than the guys that

1150
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: are out there, they're gonna play them. They're not. They're

1151
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: not gonna hold them back here. Yeah, why would they

1152
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: considering to your point that we're giving up. I mean,

1153
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: the other thing that I'll add to you know, Scott's

1154
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: question is the fact that when you have miss tackles,

1155
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: which was a big issue that played the Giants yesterday.

1156
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: To me, you know, that's not necessarily John saying James

1157
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: Betcher needs to tweak his scheme and that's just the

1158
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: lack of execution. And I understand his frustration. I get

1159
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: where Scott's coming from. You're tired of seeing similar results.

1160
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: But sometimes I think you just need to understand players

1161
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: are in the right position, or they can be in

1162
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: the right position. They just need to make the play. Period.

1163
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: So it's not a matter of, well, the coordinators got

1164
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: to go back to the drawing board and say, oh, well,

1165
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: this game play didn't work. No, it's a matter of

1166
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: if you have a corner in a position to bring

1167
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: a guy down, he's got to bring him down. If

1168
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: you have a safety in a position to bring a

1169
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: guy down, he's got to bring him down. And if

1170
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen, that's how Dalvin Cook started to play

1171
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: bumper cars with the Giants defense and turns a five

1172
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: yard run into a twenty yard game. So I think

1173
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: a lot of what I personally witnessed yesterday, John, and

1174
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: this is just my own opinion, was not necessarily guys

1175
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: being lost through the miscommunications and some of the stuff

1176
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: that we had seen earlier this season. It was a

1177
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: matter of you're in a position to make a play,

1178
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to execute, and the lack

1179
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: of execution piled up allowed the Vikings to capitalize. You know.

1180
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: Carl Banks and I recorded a little podcast this afternoon

1181
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: and it'll go up soon enough, and we spoke about

1182
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: how guys are in position to make plays. So if

1183
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: the guys are in position to make plays. That's not

1184
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: really on the coach. All you can do is but

1185
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: the guys in the right spot to make a play,

1186
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: they're not making the play. It's not on the d

1187
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: C five on three Lenning, Columbia Marlone's up next day

1188
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: when they are guys good for Scott be mad. You

1189
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: should should be, we should be, we should be. Let

1190
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: me just speak to Scott's point. It's not why my

1191
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: real topic, but it is very important. Um. Sometimes the

1192
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: assistant coaches, the position coaches, are more important than the coordinators.

1193
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 1: I brought this up. I brought this up two weeks ago.

1194
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: I started to look back those two defensive backfield coaches,

1195
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: professional coaches, but we lost the guy. We lost the

1196
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: guy in the off season. Later new offseason, he became

1197
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: the defensive the defensive coordinator, and then we started filling

1198
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: in who's going to be the defensive back to who's

1199
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna be the who's going to be the backup to him.

1200
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about the development of these defensive backs.

1201
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes the position coach, when you got a young team,

1202
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: when you got a novice team, the development of the

1203
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: player is more important than the darn scheme of things,

1204
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: and we've got to make sure that we got the

1205
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: right assistant coaches to bring these kids along, particularly in

1206
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: the defensive len. In fairness, first of the Louana Rumo

1207
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: is the guy that you're referring to who did become

1208
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: the Bengals defensive coordinator. The guy that replaced him, Everett Withers,

1209
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: has thirty two years worth of experience between the NFL

1210
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: and college, and he was a college coach and he

1211
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: knows how to deal with young players. So, I mean,

1212
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: I understand. I think you bring up a really good point.

1213
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: I agree with you. The positional coaches are crucial, Yes,

1214
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Are working on the fundamentals. They're

1215
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: in the film room with their exact position group, no

1216
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: disagreement whatsoever. But I don't think the guy that replaced

1217
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: lou Anna Rumo is Joe Schmo who they just picked

1218
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: up off the street. He's developed a lot of talent

1219
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: over the course of three decades. Okay, my opinion. Let

1220
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: me move on to something that I wanted to talk about,

1221
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: but I just felt like I wanted to add Scott,

1222
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, feelings, And again I'm I'm I'm glad he's mad,

1223
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: because I think it's good to be mad at this point.

1224
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: Um you know, um that that call coming out of

1225
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: the end zone, the one way the safety was um uh.

1226
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: It's just so full of problems that it's hard to describe.

1227
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a guy five six yards single back,

1228
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: five six yards in the end zone, undrafted free agent

1229
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: on the roster for two weeks. You know, opening day

1230
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: against Dallas, we got in the third and short, and

1231
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: we suddenly Elijah Penny was going to be the guy.

1232
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: He was going to be the savior. But if you

1233
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: thought he was, if you thought he got messed up

1234
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: in the Dallas game, why don't you put him into

1235
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: the game. This that of the undrafted free agent. Secondly,

1236
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: you know I called on Wednesday and talked to David

1237
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: and and Russ and I mean, I'm not going to

1238
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: get into an argument with David deal about blocking. But

1239
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: you know what, if I never see Evan Ingram blocking

1240
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: in line again in his entire career, I'll be a

1241
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: happy man. He can't do it. He can't do it.

1242
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: He got blown up on that play. No he did, no, No,

1243
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: he made a real bad block on that specific play.

1244
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: But he hasn't proved a lot. Let me, let me,

1245
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: let me say something. And you know my feelings about

1246
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: the center position, Okay, I'm not going to get into

1247
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: all the backgrounds and so forth on why my feelings

1248
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: are what they are. The best thing I can say

1249
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: about Pele and I respect him, he's working hard, he

1250
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: came back from a terrible injury. The best thing I

1251
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 1: can say about Peo at this at this time, he's

1252
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: the best center on the team. Beyond that, please, let's

1253
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: let's not even try to have a discussion about his efficiency. Also,

1254
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: you only need one guy to like you on the

1255
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: team here, you only need one coach to like you.

1256
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: You know I mean, and you're going to be the

1257
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: starting center. Okay, Lance, I disagree with you in your

1258
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: conversation with with call Banks about being in position. They

1259
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: were so out of position in the defensive back to yesterday.

1260
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 1: Why do you think it was yours? But I didn't say.

1261
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 1: I didn't say that guys were in position for every

1262
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: single play. But I do think that a number of

1263
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: the miss tackles where a guy was in the vicinity

1264
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: to make a play and he didn't come through with it.

1265
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: As I mentioned that the play they were. They had

1266
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: some receptions yesterday. I mean, corn, these guys are running

1267
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: in space. And then there was also a play well,

1268
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: and there was also Len Lenn There was also a

1269
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: play as I referenced, and I said, specifically where Dalvin

1270
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: Cook is running off the edge and you have Peppers

1271
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: and Baker well within the vicinity of wrapping him up

1272
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: and making a tackle. So, yes, you're right, you're frustrating

1273
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: the result. That doesn't mean guys are not in position.

1274
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: And there were plenty of plays there were. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they I don't think they were in position. Lance.

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Speaker 1: I respect her opinion. I really could those guys were

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Speaker 1: running too free in the backfield. I mean they were

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Speaker 1: running free. But I you know, I understand where you're

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Speaker 1: coming from with you with your point. And again, who

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Speaker 1: am I to argue with call Banks. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know he must know right these guys are in position.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't you know, I don't really see

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Speaker 1: them in position. One last one. I'm sorry, John, did

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Speaker 1: I cut you off that you want to say? Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, let me let me let me just make

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Speaker 1: one more point. Um, you know, it's nice to be

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Speaker 1: talking about this, you know, the development of the players

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Speaker 1: and so forth after we would get beat like we

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Speaker 1: did on Sunday. He Daniel Jones has got to complete

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Speaker 1: that first pass the shepherd or the one we were

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Speaker 1: overthrew him. He's got He's got to come. Let's not

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Speaker 1: sit there and say, buddy. He also made a couple

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Speaker 1: of really good throws. He's got a complete and the

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Speaker 1: one at the back of the end zone. He's got

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Speaker 1: to complete those. I don't care if he's playing his

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Speaker 1: third game or he's playing his two thirty second and

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Speaker 1: we did that with the previous quarterback. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: You complete those passes. Also, I question also, I questioned

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Speaker 1: the lack of leadership on the team, not from the

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Speaker 1: coaching standpoint. I'm watching him. There's nothing more exciting to

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Speaker 1: me than watching him to come out of that tunnel

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Speaker 1: John one one o'clock on a Sunday, watching him come

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Speaker 1: out of that tunnel. I I really get a kick

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Speaker 1: out of that. I got the binoculars up. I'm jumping

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Speaker 1: up and down. My wife's clapping. And who's leading him out?

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Speaker 1: Who's leading him out yesterday? Where's the leadership on the seam?

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Speaker 1: Who's leading them out? B? J. Hill and Stu Park first,

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Speaker 1: two guys out of out of the tunnel. Somebody step

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Speaker 1: up in that locker room, somebody step up. Appreciate. I

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Speaker 1: think you're reading too much into that. Yeah, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't really think that means much of anything. In

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Speaker 1: the order of airs out of the tunnel is not

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Speaker 1: something that I would be concerned about. I would not

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Speaker 1: be considered about that either. We talked about the misdirection, John,

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Speaker 1: We talked about the screen passes that the Vikings ran.

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01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta give credit to the offense. And look,

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01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: Lenn was right. Look there were guys on those play

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Speaker 1: action passes, on those deep crosses running way too free. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and look that's gonna happen sometimes, and it happens more

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Speaker 1: than it should with the secondary no argument, correct, But

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Speaker 1: they had sixteen miss tackles led the league this week.

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Speaker 1: That's part of the equation too. Of course, two on

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Speaker 1: five on three, let's go to David in Connecticut. Will

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Speaker 1: wrap us up today. Hey, David Jina Lands, great to

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Speaker 1: talk to you. Hey, good to talk to you as well.

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Speaker 1: What's up? I was wondering, um, what your guys thoughts

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Speaker 1: were on the fact that we weren't able to get

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Speaker 1: the ball to Golden take more often. Um, I see

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Speaker 1: you've got six targets, three receptions for thirteen yards. But

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Speaker 1: do you who was where the king? He's doing something

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01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: specially to take him out of the game, or was it?

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's more about Jones just not being

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Speaker 1: having enough time to get familiar with him. Well, he

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Speaker 1: didn't play all the snaps. He only played around the snaps,

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Speaker 1: which is around what Slayton paid too. I think there's

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01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: only one snap off of each other in terms of

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Speaker 1: their snap counts, So he didn't play all the snaps.

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Speaker 1: He's the first game back. It's you know you're gonna

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Speaker 1: work into a little bit. I get it. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: And frankly, I don't think is that Jones was uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: with him. He threw to him in that fourth preseason

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Speaker 1: gaming as the Patriots actually connected with him on on

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01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: two big passes, so I don't think that was a factor.

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Speaker 1: I look, sometimes one guy doesn't get a lot of touches.

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Speaker 1: If we see David this being a pattern over a

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Speaker 1: two or three four game stretch, we can have a

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Speaker 1: larger conversation. I'm just not gonna take so much out

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Speaker 1: of his first game back with if I can double

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Speaker 1: teaming him and stuff like that. No, they weren't doing

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01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: anything special in that way, but they are just a

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Speaker 1: really good defense. So I think that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: you put up to. I was just hoping, having read that,

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01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: here is the act artages unbelievable, you know, as open

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01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: hed get the ball more often, or find a way

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Speaker 1: to get the ball in his hands. I had one

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Speaker 1: other question for you, guys. I've noticed this year, just

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Speaker 1: not in Giants games, but all the games I've watched,

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Speaker 1: where the officials are calling a lot of hands to

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Speaker 1: the face to the offensive lineman. Is that am a

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Speaker 1: thing of infinite emphasis this year or is that something

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Speaker 1: that just happens to be Thank you David. They point

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Speaker 1: emphasis on holding for sure. I haven't noticed that many

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Speaker 1: illegal hands on the offensive line, but there's certainly a

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Speaker 1: lot of holding penalties, like even the one yesterday, the

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Speaker 1: one they got on elf line on the Vikings play,

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Speaker 1: I didn't see much of a holding call on that.

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Speaker 1: The Giants had a couple of those two over the

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Speaker 1: course there where you're like, really, you guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: call that on the back side of a player I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure about that one either, but that was a

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Speaker 1: point of emphasis. Is getting those holds on those outside

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Speaker 1: zone runs before the season started, and boy officials have

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Speaker 1: made those count. Yeah, there was an emphasis on hold thing.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. Then they sort of took

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Speaker 1: a step back because they realized that they were on

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Speaker 1: pace to set all types of records after the first

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Speaker 1: two weeks. I thought he was actually gonna point to

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Speaker 1: this whole defensive offensive passage deference, which continues to play

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Speaker 1: already thirty seven. I just I think hopefully people will

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01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: start to realize that it's going to take more than

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01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: a prayer to get one of those overturning it to

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: be the most obvious thing. And if the first of all,

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Speaker 1: you want to take past interference off, that's almost never

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01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: gonna happen. No, of course, not to get it added on,

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Speaker 1: it's still gonna take an awful lot. Yeah, Lance, good stuff. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on today's episode of Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. The schedules all messed up next week.

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Speaker 1: Who's on tomorrow? Do you have any idea tomorrow? I

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Speaker 1: believe is Russ and Paul. I'm correct. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that has changed that should actually stay the same. I

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Speaker 1: think you're right. With the holiday later in the week,

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Speaker 1: we have some shuffling with the Thursday game. We have

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Speaker 1: some shuffling next year and me on Friday with Paul

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Speaker 1: Dutino and Lance will be again on on Wednesday with

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